2013.03.02 01:00 - Love, squirrels and spiritual presences

Wol Euler was guardian for this session.

Wol Euler: hello bertie, quel surprise!
Bertram Jacobus: waiting for woly ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: the faithful and reliable one ... :-)
Wol Euler smiles modestly.
Wol Euler: I hope you are happy and well?
Bertram Jacobus: ehm - yes - happy is a big word (!) :-)
Wol Euler: true :)
Bertram Jacobus: but how about you ?! :-)
Wol Euler: here too, happy is a pretty big word
Wol Euler: struggling quite a bit with money at the moment
Wol Euler: otherwise, fine I guess
Bertram Jacobus: oops ! that is possible ! i am astonished - i thought with such a great job and so much work, money never could be a problem (!?) ... ;-)
Wol Euler: the job is still great, but we no longer have so much work
Wol Euler: the project that fed us for four years is finished, and we don't have anything comparable to follow it
Wol Euler: there are a few possibilities, but nothing with a contract (yet)
Wol Euler: we're on half-time at the moment
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm ... i see ... not extrodenary these days in such companies i guess (?)
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: and so you have a much more relaxed life ? more time off ? more freedom ?
Wol Euler: hard to relax when every moment something reminds you of how little money you have
Wol Euler: I can't really call this "freedom" because I am not free to act
Bertram Jacobus: oops - that sounds heavy ! :-(
Wol Euler: at least is sure doesn*t feel free
Bertram Jacobus: i wouldn´t have believed that such a situation ever could arise ! ...
Wol Euler shrugs and smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: you know that i have a new gf ?
Wol Euler: no, I didn't. congratulations
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. ty ;-)
Wol Euler: have you introduced her to SL?
Bertram Jacobus: she learned from her parents, always to save half of the income (!) so that a kind of prosperity can be accumulated ...
Wol Euler: wow
Bertram Jacobus: yep. i was impressed as well ! :-)
Wol Euler: I didn't, sad to say, I have spent as much or sometimes more than I earned, all of my life
Bertram Jacobus: (and still am) ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm - did you learn that from your parents as well ? ;-)
Wol Euler: actually no, I should know better
Wol Euler: they were very careful with money
Bertram Jacobus: i see - so i wish you better times with that and am sure it will come ...

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: hi rosatta :-)
Wol Euler: hello rosatta
Wol Euler: have you been here before?
Rosatta Resident: Hello :)
Rosatta Resident: Three times
Bertram Jacobus: nice ... :-)
Wol Euler: okay, so you've had the notecard and the introduction, and you know about the recorder?
Rosatta Resident: Yes, thank you :)
Wol Euler: good :) just checking :)
Wol Euler: well, nice to meet you
Rosatta Resident: It is nice to meet you, too.
Rosatta Resident: I am happy there is someone here
Rosatta Resident: Is there a topic
Bertram Jacobus: but woly - (continuing the talk) : you have more time now, also for being here ?
Wol Euler: (just a sec)
Wol Euler: the topic for the week is "Love as it relates to Being"
Bertram Jacobus: wow
Rosatta Resident: ty :)
Wol Euler: last day of this :)
Wol Euler: next week is "Freedom as relates to dropping"
Wol Euler: the themes are posted on the board behind me
Bertram Jacobus: in a way, nothing "relates" to being is my understanding ...
Rosatta Resident: That's an odd one
Wol Euler: though to be quite honest we often just chat
Wol Euler smiles.
Rosatta Resident: The first time I came we played with our non human avatars
Wol Euler: ah ;)
Rosatta Resident: there were two tree avatars :)
Bertram Jacobus: because being to me is absolute - which means not relating to anything ...
Bertram Jacobus: yes : i saw such tree avatars. i like them. there is an island where one can meet sometimes some of them ... :-)
Wol Euler: I'm furry on occasion, but always humanoid. Non-animal avatars don't feel right to me
Rosatta Resident: If I understand you correctly, Bertram, the state of being means to just be without that being depending on outside oneself
Rosatta Resident: Wol, I love being an octopus lol
Wol Euler grins. Tentacles are fun, sure.
Rosatta Resident: I went pole dancing at The Venue to see if it would work
Rosatta Resident: and I had people freaking out
Rosatta Resident: one person said they needed to stop drinking
Wol Euler laughs.
Bertram Jacobus giggles
Rosatta Resident: and another thougth she was hallucinating
Wol Euler: perhaps that was a good deed?
Rosatta Resident: Some very unexpected laughter for all
Wol Euler: how were the tips?
Rosatta Resident: Ah, well, I guess they think octopuses don't need tips :(
Wol Euler: :(
Rosatta Resident: lol I didn't dance long enough for anyone to even think of it
Rosatta Resident: Do I need a tip jar for soemthing like that?
Wol Euler: there's usually some tipjar arrangement with the club, yes
Bertram Jacobus: sry rosatta - my english sometimes is not good enough - i must woly ask to translate for me in the im dialogue box - one moment pls ...
Wol Euler: there's a jar near the pole and you register to use it
Rosatta Resident: Ok :)
Wol Euler: the club keeps some percentage of the tips
Wol Euler: that was a pretty complex statement, Rosatta :)
Rosatta Resident: About just being?
Bertram Jacobus: so far as woly translated the question about being for me (ty!) - my answer is : yes :o)
Wol Euler: yeah ;) it was a struggle to translate
Rosatta Resident: Abstract concepts are difficult even when we are comfortable with a language
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: You are a brave soul to discuss them in a second languate
Rosatta Resident: language
Bertram Jacobus: but the other way round a so to say relation may exist : when we have a kind of understanding or even the being itself discovered in us - the relative life is very much enriched and influenced, by more peace for example and other aspects ...
Wol Euler: I find that discussing things in a second language often brings a new layer of clarity
Bertram Jacobus: tyvm, rosatta - really kind remark ... :-)

--BELL--

Rosatta Resident: Bertram, are you familiar with the book "The Power of NOW" by Eckhart Tolle?
Bertram Jacobus: i like to correct myself : i is not that a "relation may exist" - it exists (!) - and from the aspects which enrich life then, is one - love i would claim :-)
Bertram Jacobus: yes. iread it rosatta :-)
Rosatta Resident: What you are saying sounds very similar
Wol Euler: I know the name, but I've never read it
Bertram Jacobus: its so nice : truth is everywhere and in all times the same, only words sometimes differ ...
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: that sounds true :)
Rosatta Resident: The author had an intense awakening to the state of mindfulness
Rosatta Resident: I think some of his opinions and reasoning that he expresses in his book are not really from that experience, but the parts
Rosatta Resident: of the book where he speaks from experience
Bertram Jacobus: and so the truth can be found in many systems, views, perspectives, religions and such ...
Rosatta Resident: rather than trying to figure things out
Rosatta Resident: are very powerful
Rosatta Resident: Truth belongs to those who are open to it :)
Bertram Jacobus: i found eckhard tolles book quite inspiring ...
Rosatta Resident: I am glad he is sharing his experience
Rosatta Resident: He is showing us something we need to know
Bertram Jacobus: but as i must admit, only for a while ... it is so to say, one part of the puzzle to me, which shows the way to enlightenment ...
Rosatta Resident: And he is not teaching from theory
Rosatta Resident: He is teaching from what he experienced
Wol Euler listens.
Bertram Jacobus: i find that neccessairily - authenticity is essential to me ...
Rosatta Resident: For me, also
Bertram Jacobus: essentially, he found the NOW woly i would say
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: I think this week's topic is very closely related to what we've been talking about
Wol Euler: I'll see if I can find that in the library
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Rosatta Resident: In that place of being, there is no hostility, but there is compassion
Wol Euler: agreed
Rosatta Resident: I think the Ultimate Reality must be love
Bertram Jacobus: it is love in my understanding, because love means the absence from being apart
Rosatta Resident: Freedom from lonliness and separation?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i would say so
Bertram Jacobus: not bordered anymore
Rosatta Resident: Ah, self-will - it keeps all things in conflict
Bertram Jacobus: hhe. yes. it is not very helpful ;-)
Rosatta Resident: Each wanting and that wanting conflicting with the other's wanting

--BELL--

l314159265 Resident: 's current display-name is "Roger Universe".
Rosatta Resident: I'm just curious - are the 90 second time outs to help with an atmosphere of contemplation? Or is it something to do with the recording? I think it is nice, but I was curious
Bertram Jacobus: good question ! :-)
Wol Euler: hello roger
Wol Euler: aka Pi :)
Bertram Jacobus: it´s for comtemplating i, but woly may be able to explain it more in details ...
l314159265 Resident: Hi. Just a little late.
Wol Euler: have you been here before?
Bertram Jacobus: hi roger :-)
l314159265 Resident: Yes I have :)
Bertram Jacobus: - i ;-)
Rosatta Resident: Hi, Roger. Nice to meet you
Wol Euler: okay, so you have had the notecard and the explanations, and know about the recorder. good :)
l314159265 Resident: Hi everyone.
Wol Euler: we've been talking along the theme of the week, "Love as it relates to Being"
Wol Euler: (Being is our shorthand word for "the everythingness of everything")
l314159265 Resident: Nice topic.
Bertram Jacobus: and rosatta asked about the 90 sec breaks and i answered a bit to that in my silly german-english :o)
Wol Euler: spsecifically, we were talking about Eckhard Tolle's book "The power of now"
Wol Euler: do you know it?
l314159265 Resident: I am aware of him, have seen parts of a talk. Thanks for the update.
Rosatta Resident: Bertram, I didin't even realize English is a second language for you until you told me, so your English is very good
Wol Euler smiles.
Rosatta Resident: Talking about love . . . I am really grateful that the understanding here has been
Rosatta Resident: about love being compassion, or freedome from negativity
Rosatta Resident: and not romance
Bertram Jacobus: yes ! also for wol : there are not only a few youtubes with tolle ...
l314159265 Resident: Just quickly scanned the Wikipedia article on his book at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Now
Bertram Jacobus: i like, that the ancient greeks differ the word love into eros, philia and agape. that makes it very much more clear i find (!) ...
Wol Euler: there has been a lot of talk of romance during the week, I won't deny that :)
Wol Euler: but mostly it was about love as foundation of the world, yes
Rosatta Resident: Ty, Bertram. I had forgotten about that. It is very wise how the Greeks recognized the differences
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: The problem with romance is taht it is so fragile
Rosatta Resident: When one chooses to BE
Rosatta Resident: Then one draws energy from the whole of existence
Rosatta Resident: When one draws energy just from one person
Rosatta Resident: it drains that person
Rosatta Resident: Love is giving, giving for the sake of giving
Bertram Jacobus: being, i see no problems anymore. then life can be a game. not without loosing compassion and love and all that, naturally ! ...
Rosatta Resident: Romance is mostly selfish, giving for the sake of getting
Rosatta Resident: Yes. No expectations
Bertram Jacobus: a wonderful play - as being ... ;-)
Rosatta Resident: means no disappointment
l314159265 Resident: Love is also a primordial attractive force that encourages everything toward Unity.
Wol Euler: romance is role-playing :)
Wol Euler: great fun, but it won't and cannot last
Rosatta Resident: That is an interesting thought, Wol.
Wol Euler: isn't supposed to
Rosatta Resident: I had never thought of it that way. ty :)
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: I hadn't either, until you suggested it

--BELL--

Rosatta Resident: I've been told that the Greeks saw the condition of falling in love as a form of mental illness
Wol Euler laughs.
Rosatta Resident: I used to think that was very strange
Rosatta Resident: Now I wonder
Wol Euler: that seems to fit, certainly it reduces one's ability to think clearly :)
Wol Euler: narrows one's focus
Rosatta Resident: There are even songs about that lol
Bertram Jacobus: yes. when it´s eros and philia. agape is different
Rosatta Resident: I hadn't thought of friendship having some of the same problems
Rosatta Resident: with not seeing everything clearly
Rosatta Resident: but now that you have said that, I see it is true
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: agape helps : the all including and unconditioned love ... compassion ... helping - supporting and all that ...
Wol Euler: that I guess is where attachment comes into it
Wol Euler: clouding judgement
Wol Euler: by enforcing our desires and hopes over what is actually present
Rosatta Resident: Yes, clinging to the good feelings
Wol Euler: and putting off the truth, like parents who won't see that their son is a bully
Rosatta Resident: yes
Bertram Jacobus: better, to find the base : being ...
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: I like to think that Being is . . . well, if you will be patient with me
Rosatta Resident: for using a religious example
Rosatta Resident: when I pray the Lord's Prayer
Rosatta Resident: to myself I pray, Our Father who IS heaven
Rosatta Resident: I think it is the quantum physicists who believe there
Rosatta Resident: is a unifying field underlying all existence
Rosatta Resident: the Unified Field Theory
Rosatta Resident: Some have said it is more like thought than
Rosatta Resident: anything else we know
Rosatta Resident: and have callled it the mind of god
l314159265 Resident: Being is the underlying ever-present reality. Focusing within to deeper realities, through your chosen approach to Creator, will no doubt bring you toward the ultimate reality. There are many paths to the ultimate reality - many flavors for different tastes and preferences.
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: yes : science and religions find close perspectives these days ...
Rosatta Resident: Has anyone one seen "What the BLeep Do WE Know?:
Wol Euler: I was very surprised when I began coming here, to find how many and how deep were the overlaps between all religions, and between some aspects of science and some aspects of religion
Bertram Jacobus: i saw a bit of it. yes rosatta
Wol Euler: no, don't know that
l314159265 Resident: The Mystics call it Being, the Physicists call it the Vacuum State. It's a single reality.
Rosatta Resident: Yes
Rosatta Resident: The only divisions among people is a greater or lesser ability to
Rosatta Resident: see what you just said
Bertram Jacobus: and it seems to be a good time for developing ...
l314159265 Resident: People have to tire of ultimately unfulfilling outer activities before they consider turning within for fulfillment. That can take lifetimes.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: the inner "bread and circuses"
Wol Euler: distracting us
Rosatta Resident: And, I think, finally experience that outside of living in mindfulness, it really is just running in circles getting nowhere
l314159265 Resident: Some traditions sacrifice outer life for the inner quest. I think it's possible to enjoy both realms in balance.
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: I hope so

--BELL--

Rosatta Resident: Finally realizing that we HAVE to learn to live in a state of mindfulness
l314159265 Resident: Perhaps one aspect of mindfulness is living in the outer, with reverence and respect for every being and everything. Seeing the inherent divinity in all, and the unity between all things, as one is able to appreciate it.
Rosatta Resident: This is something I would love could be a reality.
Bertram Jacobus: i would say _ yes ;-)
Rosatta Resident: Here is something for thought maybe
Wol Euler: definitely, roger
Rosatta Resident: I have cats and I have pet birds
Rosatta Resident: The birds must be in cages most of the time for their
Rosatta Resident: safety and because they are little mess-makers
Bertram Jacobus: i should leave ... take a bit breakfast ...
Rosatta Resident: But they are very jealous of the cats having so much freedom
Bertram Jacobus: ty for the meeting - and may all beings be happy ! :-)
Rosatta Resident: and one was badly injured by a cat a few days ago
Wol Euler: bye berti, take care
l314159265 Resident: Goodbye Bertram.
Rosatta Resident: It was nice meeeting you, Bertram :)
Bertram Jacobus: ty all again ! :-) ...
Rosatta Resident: For their own sakes I must go against my bird's wishes - and the cats' who think the birds are toys and maybe food
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: This same thing is real among humans, also
Wol Euler: indeed
Rosatta Resident: I often ponder how to live with what Roger said
Rosatta Resident: And I know that is the right thing
Rosatta Resident: And still have to deal with predators and prey
Rosatta Resident: as they way most of life functions
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: So far, the best I know to do, is to remember that things are supposed to be in harmony
Rosatta Resident: And try to act that way as much as I am able which often isn't very much
Rosatta Resident: but I am learning
Wol Euler smiles and nods
Wol Euler: that's all any of us can do
Wol Euler: the best we can hope for IMHO is to make newer and better mistakes :)
Wol Euler: with our eyes on the goal and our feet in the puddles :)
Rosatta Resident: lol I love that philosphy
Rosatta Resident: We are being very serious. For a bit of play I will show you my ooctopus avatar that I love, if it is ok
l314159265 Resident: I would like to think that long-term, we continually improve. I believe we do that over multple lifetimes, so we have a lot of time to get it right, and a lot to learn. I think it gets more fun all the time.
Wol Euler: plase do :)
Wol Euler: and roger, agreed
Rosatta Resident: ok :)
l314159265 Resident: Very impressive!
Rosatta Resident: I don't think Roger was here when I shared about going pole dancing.
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: cool
l314159265 Resident: And air-breathing - that's a good trick.
Wol Euler: could you walk around a little for us please?
Wol Euler: hello korel
Rosatta Resident: OH, I'm sorry. I didn't see your request
Rosatta Resident: Let me do that again
l314159265 Resident: I have a photo to share. How can I do that?
Rosatta Resident: It has a mermaid OA and really looks nice swimming
Wol Euler: nice
Rosatta Resident: Of course that is from someone who adores octopuses as beings lol

--BELL--

Rosatta Resident: It's tentacles swirled beautifully when pole dancing
Rosatta Resident: Roger, I went to the Venue night club and pole danced as an octopus
Wol Euler smiles.
Rosatta Resident: out of curiosity to see if it woudl work
Rosatta Resident: and got a lot of reactions I didn't expect
Rosatta Resident: it was a good giggle and a good story to share :)
Rosatta Resident: Hello, Koel!
Rosatta Resident: Good to see you again
Wol Euler: wb korel
Korel Laloix: Bozho]
Korel Laloix: hyper lagged again.
Korel Laloix: Wish I was as sleep in RL as SL is acting... frowns
Wol Euler: awwwww
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: rosatta, you seem to be wearing the octopus alpha still ...
Rosatta Resident: What do you mean?
Korel Laloix: That would makea good band name... octopus alpha
Rosatta Resident: lol
Wol Euler chuckles.
Rosatta Resident: I don't know what an alpha is
Korel Laloix: Or a bad scifi tv show... wait... they are al bad. sorrry
l314159265 Resident: Speaking of universal love, and animals, I have a photo I'd like to share. It's a little critter I befriended.
Korel Laloix: ok
l314159265 Resident: http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/y...ttleFriend.jpg
Wol Euler: cute :)
Korel Laloix: I love the word critter.
Rosatta Resident: Wow! You have totally charmed that little one :)
l314159265 Resident: Usually they run away and keep a safe distance. This squirrel came to be completely trusting and fearless.
Rosatta Resident: I wish all people were as gentle as you are
l314159265 Resident: Thank you. It was a sweet experience.
Rosatta Resident: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: Squirrels are usually nasty mean... but grey one can be nice.
Korel Laloix: Or maybe they just don't like me as I am not much bigger than them... smiles
l314159265 Resident: I have a friend who is able to make friends with birds. In time, they land in her hand. I saw a photo where he and the bird, a cardinal, were looking into each other's eyes. She said it's soul was just as infinite as any other being.
Wol Euler nods.
l314159265 Resident: (he) -> (she) typo
Rosatta Resident: I can vouch for the truth of what your friend says
Korel Laloix: I think you can get a feel for the spiritual presense of all life is you just take the time.
Wol Euler agrees

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: But I also thing there are spirits that each of us are more natuarally in touch with.
Korel Laloix: And in some cases the good or bad sides of those presences.
l314159265 Resident: We can learn a lot from the unconditional love of animals. They are not blocked by fear of commitment, what if this does not work out, etc., etc. It's just love pure and simple, and they live in the moment.
Rosatta Resident: This has been more that wonderful, but I am starting to fall asleep at the keyboard
Rosatta Resident: Ty, everyone, for being here and all the wonderufl things you have shared
Wol Euler: if by that you mean that we spoil our chance of happiness by thinking about it too much, I'd definitely agree :)
l314159265 Resident: Late for me in the US too, 2:48AM. Time to sleep.
Korel Laloix: I am not sure the cat loves me, I more think he just thinks of me as his personal warm matress.
Wol Euler: bye rosatta, nice meeting you
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
Rosatta Resident: I am very happy I got to meet you, too, Wol :)
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Rosatta Resident: Ciao, dear Korel:)
Korel Laloix smiles
l314159265 Resident: One can love a warm matress :) I'm sue the cat loves you.
l314159265 Resident: sue -> sure
Korel Laloix smiles
l314159265 Resident: Goodbye and thank to all. See you again later.
Rosatta Resident: I just saw that Wol had sent me an Im in asner to my question about alphas. Ty, Wol. Now I know a bit more about this world of SL
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: my pleasure
Wol Euler: bye roger, nice meeting you
l314159265 Resident: Mutual.
l314159265 Resident: Bye
Wol Euler: how are you, korel?
Korel Laloix: Can't sleep.
Korel Laloix: Not bad though..
Wol Euler: :(
Korel Laloix: Been just a busy and stressful couple of weeks.. finally having a chance to get setteled here.
Korel Laloix: Feels very alone here.. not actually living with anyone... first time in my life.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: that must be a shock
Wol Euler: though it can be very nice too :) the bathroom is always free
Korel Laloix: Not sure what kind of shock yet though.
Wol Euler: what you put in the fridge stays there
Korel Laloix: Yes, I do love having my own bathtub.. and this place has one of those tubs with the jetsin it.
Wol Euler: cool
Korel Laloix: I just have to get past my neat freak OCD hygiene obsession to actually get in the thing.. lol
Wol Euler: you might want to run it for a few minutes wiht the drain open, to get all the water out of the system.
Wol Euler: and then clean the tub thoroughly
Wol Euler: after taht it should be okay
Wol Euler: let it run pure hot, to clean out the jet pipes
Korel Laloix: The langlord suggested running it with dishwashing powder... so I will do that as well.
Wol Euler: ah good idea
Wol Euler: brb
Korel Laloix: I am surprized at how expensive apartments are.... but I did manage to line up some scholarhips for support as well. So not too painful.
Wol Euler: excellent
Korel Laloix: And I did get approval for my scholahips for next semseter as well... my last semester.. yeaaa...
Korel Laloix: Very tired of school.
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: I hear you
Korel Laloix: So how have you been WOl?
Wol Euler: not sleeping enough, but that is largely my own fault
Wol Euler: I'm going to do some napping this weekend, see if I can work off some of the backlog
Korel Laloix: There are good reasons not to sleep... smiles
Wol Euler: no, in my case it was just silliness
Korel Laloix: OK.. grins
Wol Euler: I should really know better, and actually I do
Korel Laloix: A never nap.... it just messes thing up so bad for me.
Wol Euler: but knowing and acting-on are two separate things
Korel Laloix: The distance between know and do can be quiet large.
Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: korel, I'm sorry to leave just after you got here *again* :) but it's noon and I really need some breakfast
Korel Laloix: I am very good with my self motivation, but sometimes it just falls apart on some things.
Wol Euler nods.
Korel Laloix: That is a good time for breakfast... smiles
Wol Euler: I'd like to tell you it gets easier with age, but that has not been my experience.
Korel Laloix: Maybe I will just do that myself.
Wol Euler: perhaps yours will be better
Korel Laloix: Five AM is a good time i tHINK.
Wol Euler: yeah, that is almost morning :)
Wol Euler: take care, enjoy the weekend
Korel Laloix: I get up at this time to run a bit.
Korel Laloix: Caio
Korel Laloix: Talk with you later.
Wol Euler: indeed! bye for now