2008.09.12 01:00 - May the Being be with you

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    Wol Euler was guardian, the comments are hers.



    Fael Illyar: Hi Wol, Gaya :)
    Wol Euler: hello Fael, hello gaya. nice to seey ouboth.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: it's interesting how SL has been lazy about rezzing the sculpties for me lately.
    Wol Euler nods - though these rezzed very fast today. Has there been another server update?
    Fael Illyar: it seems to work differently each day
    Fael Illyar: oh, Faenik changed shoulder :)
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Fael Illyar: How are you Wol?
    Faenik says 'not my choice, overwhelmed with accessories on the other shoulder recently'
    Wol Euler: lol
    Wol Euler: I am ... residually tired, overwhelmed, stiff and sore from 11 hours train travel in the last two days
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry to hear that Wol
    Fael Illyar: Oh, wow, that's quite some traveling.
    Wol Euler: It feels really stupid to traveh 5.5 hours each way for a 3 hour meeting - but what to do?
    Wol Euler: some tings require face-to-face time, and hands-on-a-common-keyboard.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods. I understand
    Fael Illyar: Oh, that sort of thing
    Wol Euler: it was a good meeting, valid and worthwhile and full of interest; but I wish it hadn't been so far away.
    Wol Euler: anyway.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Wol Euler: I'll be all right once I've had a few nights' sleep.
    Wol Euler: How are you both?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well thanks Wol
    Faenik: indeed?
    Fael Illyar: I'm well too, thank you :)
    Wol Euler: good :-)



    Dreams and their effects. 



    Fael Illyar: I had a sort of powerful feeling dreams before getting up from the bed but I forgot them already
    Gaya Ethaniel: Ah
    Wol Euler: pity (that you forgot)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Feeling remains somewhat?
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: yes, some feeling remains :)
    Fael Illyar: some vague impressions
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well not completely lost then <smile>
    Faenik: could be
    Wol Euler: I find that the emotional resonance offten remains after the dream is forgotten
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Fael Illyar: yes, especially noticeable when it has been powerful resonance
    Fael Illyar has had that before
    Gaya Ethaniel: Same here
    Wol Euler smiles. So we could reconstruct the feeling of the dream from the emotinos that remain
    Wol Euler: like a paleontologist of sleep
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Fael Illyar: Perhaps :)
    Fael Illyar: well, I sometimes have done that but ... overall it seems not much point :)
    Wol Euler: ... except to recover the dream, perhaps?
    Fael Illyar: Well, that, of course :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: True
    Gaya Ethaniel: Oh misread that
    Gaya Ethaniel: Recover from the dreams... I read
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Wol Euler: which might also be true!
    Fael Illyar: if you need to recover from it, you'll not forget it :)
    Wol Euler: banish the demons by naming htem.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Faenik: could be
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure about hat, Fael, I think it would be possible to suppress memory of a dream as one supresses memories of real events.
    Wol Euler: (taking "real" for granted for the moment, let's not get too Buddhist too early)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure Wol <smile>
    Fael Illyar: Hmmh ... yes, but feels like that'd cause recurring dream
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's where 'naming the demons' comes in Fael
    Wol Euler smiles. Oh, I didn't say that it would _work_
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Such dreams will remain but change into something different, perhaps useful.
    Wol Euler: I'm fascinated by the similarity between a memory of a dream and the memory of a real event.
    Wol Euler: they are both nearly the same, in a way, resonances of emotion and vision.
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Wol Euler: I find that the feelings that a nice dream brings, or a nightmare, last sometimes for days.
    Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, true, I had some events recently in RL I could compare :)
    Wol Euler: much like a pleasant event in RL casts a glow or shadow of the days after.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: Care to say more Fael?



    Cathedrals and their effects.



    Fael Illyar: well, like my visit to cathedral of turku last sunday
    Faenik: indeed?
    Fael Illyar: now I actually felt something there.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Similar to how you feel now after the dreams from sleep?
    Wol Euler: tell us more about Turku, please.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes please <smile>
    Fael Illyar: similar, yes.
    Wol Euler: (chat lag, didn' mean to talk over your question)
    Fael Illyar: When I walked in the cathedral, I somehow fell into walking rather slowly and in a way rather unlike me. It disturbed me for a short while at first.
    Fael Illyar: well, I still kept walking that way though
    Gaya Ethaniel: No worries Wol <smile>
    Fael Illyar: felt like I couldn't change it without big effort.
    Wol Euler: a walking meditation, perhaps, one step = one breath? do you do that?
    Fael Illyar: you could call it walking with dignity I guess :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Fael Illyar: come to think of it, I've felt similarly in other churches too but never managed to connect it to the churches
    Wol Euler: phone
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
    Gaya Ethaniel enjoys visiting in churches too
    Fael Illyar: interesting feeling :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Fael Illyar: resembles my feeling one time when I meditated. That started quite a "hurricane" for me.
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Fael Illyar: around one month ago


    Sky comes and goes. 


    Fael Illyar: Hi Sky :)
    Gaya Ethaniel looks back...
    Sky Szimmer: hi ya.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Gaya Ethaniel: How are you Sky? (Wol's away atm)
    Sky Szimmer: i am fine, thanks.
    Sky Szimmer: how are you?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well ty <smile>
    Wol Euler: bck, sorry.
    Wol Euler: hello sky
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Wol
    Fael Illyar: wb Wol :)
    Fael Illyar: I'm good today, thank you :)
    Sky Szimmer: :)
    Wol Euler: tired but well, thanks.
    Wol Euler looks back through the log at what she missed.
    Fael Illyar: We were talking about dreams that you forget but that leave strong emotional residue :)
    Faenik: indeed?
    Wol Euler: indeed, and you compared walking at Turku with that. Tell us more?
    Fael Illyar: walking in the Cathedral of Turku, not just walking in Turku :)
    Fael Illyar: feet just moved ahead on their own (well, that's what it felt like)
    Fael Illyar: ... well, that's sort of how I walk most of the time anyway lately but ...
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Wol Euler nods encouragingly.
    Fael Illyar is kind of confused about what to add anymore.
    Fael Illyar: oh right, continuation
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Fael Illyar: then I sat on one of the benches and watched while people were at the holy communion.
    Fael Illyar: rather interested in how the whole situation felt like.
    Sky Szimmer: sorry ladies, I best get going. I realized that I am not in the right mood to be engaging. Hope to see you all again soon.
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Sky :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: oh dear, sorry to hear it Sky.
    Wol Euler: bye for now
    Sky Szimmer: bye: )
    Gaya Ethaniel: Take care Sky
    Fael Illyar waves to sky.
    Wol Euler: I infer that you're not a regular church-goer, Fael? But you were probably brought up in that tradition.
    Fael Illyar: brought up, yes but not regular, no
    Wol Euler nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not a regular or brought up in that tradition but I understand how Fael felt on that day. Feelings of being in churches and Buddhist temples differ vastly for me.
    Fael Illyar: likely that I never realized the feeling churches gave because I didn't want to realize it
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, that sounds highly plausible :-) and familiar.
    Faenik: why not?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Ah I see Fael
    Fael Illyar: :)



    PaB and its effects. 



    Wol Euler: do yuo think that PaB has opened you to that, perhaps?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, PaB gave me the tools and people I've met here helped me there :)
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Gaya Ethaniel: Glad to hear Fael
    Fael Illyar: I somehow get the feeling things have been happening rather fast during the summer :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler: heheheh, yes I can imagine that. But it's true, things _were_ happening.
    Fael Illyar: well, won't stop with this summer :P
    Wol Euler smiles and nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel sips her tea for a moment
    Faenik: why not?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds good Fael <smile>
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Wol Euler: I shall have to leave soon, sorry to say, that phone call was a change of plan summoning me to work. Might I ask one of you to send me the rest of the log?
    Fael Illyar: no more log I think :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day Wol
    Wol Euler smiles. That is an optoin...
    Fael Illyar: Yes, have a nice day Wol :)
    Wol Euler: thank you, and the same to you both too. Enjoy your Fridays.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: may the Being be with you.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Same to you
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's the title Wol
    Wol Euler: lol, ok.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles


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