2008.09.12 01:00 - May the Being be with you

Wol Euler was guardian, the comments are hers.

Fael Illyar: Hi Wol, Gaya :)
Wol Euler: hello Fael, hello gaya. nice to seey ouboth.
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: it's interesting how SL has been lazy about rezzing the sculpties for me lately.
Wol Euler nods - though these rezzed very fast today. Has there been another server update?
Fael Illyar: it seems to work differently each day
Fael Illyar: oh, Faenik changed shoulder :)
Wol Euler: ah :)
Fael Illyar: How are you Wol?
Faenik says 'not my choice, overwhelmed with accessories on the other shoulder recently'
Wol Euler: lol
Wol Euler: I am ... residually tired, overwhelmed, stiff and sore from 11 hours train travel in the last two days
Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry to hear that Wol
Fael Illyar: Oh, wow, that's quite some traveling.
Wol Euler: It feels really stupid to traveh 5.5 hours each way for a 3 hour meeting - but what to do?
Wol Euler: some tings require face-to-face time, and hands-on-a-common-keyboard.
Gaya Ethaniel nods. I understand
Fael Illyar: Oh, that sort of thing
Wol Euler: it was a good meeting, valid and worthwhile and full of interest; but I wish it hadn't been so far away.
Wol Euler: anyway.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
Wol Euler: I'll be all right once I've had a few nights' sleep.
Wol Euler: How are you both?
Gaya Ethaniel: Well thanks Wol
Faenik: indeed?
Fael Illyar: I'm well too, thank you :)
Wol Euler: good :-)

Dreams and their effects. 

Fael Illyar: I had a sort of powerful feeling dreams before getting up from the bed but I forgot them already
Gaya Ethaniel: Ah
Wol Euler: pity (that you forgot)
Gaya Ethaniel: Feeling remains somewhat?
Faenik: could be
Fael Illyar: yes, some feeling remains :)
Fael Illyar: some vague impressions
Gaya Ethaniel: Well not completely lost then <smile>
Faenik: could be
Wol Euler: I find that the emotional resonance offten remains after the dream is forgotten
Gaya Ethaniel listens
Fael Illyar: yes, especially noticeable when it has been powerful resonance
Fael Illyar has had that before
Gaya Ethaniel: Same here
Wol Euler smiles. So we could reconstruct the feeling of the dream from the emotinos that remain
Wol Euler: like a paleontologist of sleep
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: Perhaps :)
Fael Illyar: well, I sometimes have done that but ... overall it seems not much point :)
Wol Euler: ... except to recover the dream, perhaps?
Fael Illyar: Well, that, of course :)
Gaya Ethaniel: True
Gaya Ethaniel: Oh misread that
Gaya Ethaniel: Recover from the dreams... I read
Fael Illyar: :)
Wol Euler: which might also be true!
Fael Illyar: if you need to recover from it, you'll not forget it :)
Wol Euler: banish the demons by naming htem.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: :)
Faenik: could be
Wol Euler: I'm not sure about hat, Fael, I think it would be possible to suppress memory of a dream as one supresses memories of real events.
Wol Euler: (taking "real" for granted for the moment, let's not get too Buddhist too early)
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure Wol <smile>
Fael Illyar: Hmmh ... yes, but feels like that'd cause recurring dream
Gaya Ethaniel: That's where 'naming the demons' comes in Fael
Wol Euler smiles. Oh, I didn't say that it would _work_
Fael Illyar: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Such dreams will remain but change into something different, perhaps useful.
Wol Euler: I'm fascinated by the similarity between a memory of a dream and the memory of a real event.
Wol Euler: they are both nearly the same, in a way, resonances of emotion and vision.
Gaya Ethaniel listens
Wol Euler: I find that the feelings that a nice dream brings, or a nightmare, last sometimes for days.
Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, true, I had some events recently in RL I could compare :)
Wol Euler: much like a pleasant event in RL casts a glow or shadow of the days after.
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Gaya Ethaniel: Care to say more Fael?

  

Cathedrals and their effects.

Fael Illyar: well, like my visit to cathedral of turku last sunday
Faenik: indeed?
Fael Illyar: now I actually felt something there.
Gaya Ethaniel: Similar to how you feel now after the dreams from sleep?
Wol Euler: tell us more about Turku, please.
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes please <smile>
Fael Illyar: similar, yes.
Wol Euler: (chat lag, didn' mean to talk over your question)
Fael Illyar: When I walked in the cathedral, I somehow fell into walking rather slowly and in a way rather unlike me. It disturbed me for a short while at first.
Fael Illyar: well, I still kept walking that way though
Gaya Ethaniel: No worries Wol <smile>
Fael Illyar: felt like I couldn't change it without big effort.
Wol Euler: a walking meditation, perhaps, one step = one breath? do you do that?
Fael Illyar: you could call it walking with dignity I guess :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: come to think of it, I've felt similarly in other churches too but never managed to connect it to the churches
Wol Euler: phone
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
Gaya Ethaniel enjoys visiting in churches too
Fael Illyar: interesting feeling :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Fael Illyar: resembles my feeling one time when I meditated. That started quite a "hurricane" for me.
Gaya Ethaniel listens
Fael Illyar: around one month ago

Sky comes and goes. 

Fael Illyar: Hi Sky :)
Gaya Ethaniel looks back...
Sky Szimmer: hi ya.
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you Sky? (Wol's away atm)
Sky Szimmer: i am fine, thanks.
Sky Szimmer: how are you?
Gaya Ethaniel: Well ty <smile>
Wol Euler: bck, sorry.
Wol Euler: hello sky
Gaya Ethaniel: wb Wol
Fael Illyar: wb Wol :)
Fael Illyar: I'm good today, thank you :)
Sky Szimmer: :)
Wol Euler: tired but well, thanks.
Wol Euler looks back through the log at what she missed.
Fael Illyar: We were talking about dreams that you forget but that leave strong emotional residue :)
Faenik: indeed?
Wol Euler: indeed, and you compared walking at Turku with that. Tell us more?
Fael Illyar: walking in the Cathedral of Turku, not just walking in Turku :)
Fael Illyar: feet just moved ahead on their own (well, that's what it felt like)
Fael Illyar: ... well, that's sort of how I walk most of the time anyway lately but ...
Gaya Ethaniel listens
Wol Euler nods encouragingly.
Fael Illyar is kind of confused about what to add anymore.
Fael Illyar: oh right, continuation
Wol Euler: heheheh
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Fael Illyar: then I sat on one of the benches and watched while people were at the holy communion.
Fael Illyar: rather interested in how the whole situation felt like.
Sky Szimmer: sorry ladies, I best get going. I realized that I am not in the right mood to be engaging. Hope to see you all again soon.
Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Sky :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Wol Euler: oh dear, sorry to hear it Sky.
Wol Euler: bye for now
Sky Szimmer: bye: )
Gaya Ethaniel: Take care Sky
Fael Illyar waves to sky.
Wol Euler: I infer that you're not a regular church-goer, Fael? But you were probably brought up in that tradition.
Fael Illyar: brought up, yes but not regular, no
Wol Euler nods.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not a regular or brought up in that tradition but I understand how Fael felt on that day. Feelings of being in churches and Buddhist temples differ vastly for me.
Fael Illyar: likely that I never realized the feeling churches gave because I didn't want to realize it
Wol Euler: mmhmm, that sounds highly plausible :-) and familiar.
Faenik: why not?
Gaya Ethaniel: Ah I see Fael
Fael Illyar: :)

PaB and its effects. 

Wol Euler: do yuo think that PaB has opened you to that, perhaps?
Fael Illyar: Yes, PaB gave me the tools and people I've met here helped me there :)
Wol Euler: indeed
Gaya Ethaniel: Glad to hear Fael
Fael Illyar: I somehow get the feeling things have been happening rather fast during the summer :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Wol Euler: heheheh, yes I can imagine that. But it's true, things _were_ happening.
Fael Illyar: well, won't stop with this summer :P
Wol Euler smiles and nods.
Gaya Ethaniel sips her tea for a moment
Faenik: why not?
Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds good Fael <smile>
Fael Illyar: :)
Wol Euler: I shall have to leave soon, sorry to say, that phone call was a change of plan summoning me to work. Might I ask one of you to send me the rest of the log?
Fael Illyar: no more log I think :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes
Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day Wol
Wol Euler smiles. That is an optoin...
Fael Illyar: Yes, have a nice day Wol :)
Wol Euler: thank you, and the same to you both too. Enjoy your Fridays.
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Wol Euler: may the Being be with you.
Gaya Ethaniel: Same to you
Gaya Ethaniel: That's the title Wol
Wol Euler: lol, ok.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles