2009.03.11 19:00 - Ganesh, the elephant boy

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Pila Mulligan,Adelene Dawner and I spend the meeting discussing Hindu deities and and webcomic

    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pila

    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve

    Pila Mulligan: how are you?

    stevenaia Michinaga: good, was a bit tired earlier, so if I nod out you know why

    Pila Mulligan: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: you mentioned the other night about Hinduism and Buddhism, didn't Buddhism evolve from Hinduism

    Pila Mulligan: in the sense the Christianity followed Judaism, insofar as I understand it -- they came form the same locales and ideas

    stevenaia Michinaga: thought so, have done much religious study?  You seem familiar with aspects of many

    Pila Mulligan: Buddhists are just the smartest religion in the world, as far as I can see, and Hindus are a mishamsh of numerous ideas

    stevenaia Michinaga: *some

    Pila Mulligan: but I love the Hindu gods -- especially Ganesh

    Pila Mulligan: the elephant boy

    stevenaia Michinaga: Gods, representing aspects of the spirit world?

    Pila Mulligan: well, Gods in the old greek sense too

    Pila Mulligan: like Zeus et al

    Pila Mulligan: the Hindu trinity is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva

    Pila Mulligan: Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva is the destroyer

    stevenaia Michinaga: What? the christian trinity isn;t unique..grins

    Pila Mulligan: :)

    Pila Mulligan: it is unique if you listen to Christian intellectuals :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: of course

    Adelene Dawner: what now, Pila?

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ade

    Pila Mulligan: hi Ade

    stevenaia Michinaga: pet pet

    Pila Mulligan: how be ye?

    stevenaia Michinaga: pick a lap, any lap

    Adelene Dawner: but, but, dun wanna pick ^.^

    stevenaia Michinaga: n.p.

    Pila Mulligan: we had just begun to name the Hindu pantheon :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: of which I know just about nothing

    Adelene Dawner: Ah ^.^

    Pila Mulligan: Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva is the destroyer

    Pila Mulligan: the best known deities of India are probably Krishna and Rama -- they are avatars of Vishnu

    Adelene Dawner: If you say so.

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, they used to visit me at the airports in the 70's

    Pila Mulligan: the two most beloved classics of India are their stories -- the Ramayana and the Mahabarata

    Pila Mulligan: the coolest god ever invented is Ganesh, the elephant boy, son of Shiva

    stevenaia Michinaga: what's his claim to fame?

    Adelene Dawner: Now Ganesh, I know, 'cause one of his avatars is a character in a webcomic I follow. And yes, he's awesome. ^.^

    Pila Mulligan: probably that there are more festivals for Ganesh than any other god in history :)

    Pila Mulligan: he is truly adorable

    stevenaia Michinaga: a party god?

    Pila Mulligan: his first roll actually is god of the bath :)

    Pila Mulligan: role*

    stevenaia Michinaga: nots

    Pila Mulligan: as the story goes ....

    stevenaia Michinaga: nods

    stevenaia Michinaga: rather

    Pila Mulligan:


    Shiva was off on one of his god campaigns, leaving his wife Shakti at home
    unbeknownst to Shiva, while he was gone for many god years, shakti bore his son, Ganesh
    at that time Ganesh was just a regular god-boy
    so Shiva comes home from his battles
    and it just so happens that Shakti, not expecting him, had gone to take a bath
    and she had told Ganesh to guard the door while she was bathing
    so the boy is standing before the door when Shiva and all his warriors approach the house
    Shiva starts to enter the house and Ganesh says my mom told me to guard the door
    Shiva orders Ganesh to stand aside and Ganesh gives him a stinky look
    so Shiva tells one of his warriors to remove the boy from the door
    but the warrior is unable to remove Ganesh
    so shiva draws his sword and chops off the boys head and goes inside
     when he finds Shakti in the bathtub, she tells him Ganesh is their son
    so Shiva goes back outside and chops the head off his favorite elephant and puts it on the boys shoulders
    hence we have Ganesh as he appears now :)


    stevenaia Michinaga: great stories, Pila

    Pila Mulligan: :)

    Pila Mulligan: Ganesh is the coolest god ever

    stevenaia Michinaga: so he lives again with the head of an elephant?

    Pila Mulligan: yep -- and he becomes the unquestioned favorite deity of India

    Pila Mulligan: in terms of festivals

    Pila Mulligan: I probably have half a dozen ganesh statutes around my house, and that is a paltry number compared to houses in India

    Pila Mulligan: it is just a cheerful image

    Pila Mulligan: what is the webcomic you mentioned Ade?

    Adelene Dawner: Ursula Vernon's Digger.

    Pila Mulligan: wish I could gte broadband :)

    Pila Mulligan: get*

    stevenaia Michinaga: images on Google images

    Adelene Dawner: The archive is paid-account only for the last few months, but most of the archive is free, and the whole thing it going to be opened up soon, I hear.

    Adelene Dawner: http://www.diggercomic.com/

    Pila Mulligan: what is the ganesh character's name?

    Adelene Dawner: ohhh, new layout... and, hey! Archive!

    Adelene Dawner: Just Ganesh... the avatar in question is a talking statue of Ganesh, so...

    Pila Mulligan: :)

    Adelene Dawner: http://www.diggercomic.com/?p=7

    Pila Mulligan: wow, there he is :)

    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm :)

    Pila Mulligan: is the main character a mouse

    Adelene Dawner: Anthropomorphic wombat. :)

    Pila Mulligan: ahh, of course

    Adelene Dawner: ...which is actually pretty *normal*, for Vernon's art.

    Pila Mulligan: the old hominid Australian marsupial

    Adelene Dawner: http://www.metalandmagic.com/modules...a915bcb89d2f69

    Pila Mulligan: I got caught up reading the panels you sent, and the next ones :)

    Adelene Dawner: noooo, Pila. There's, um, well over a thousand of them?

    Adelene Dawner: Wait 'till you have time.

    Adelene Dawner: Like, a day or two. ^.^

    Adelene Dawner: *checks* okay, nearing 700. Still.

    Pila Mulligan: :)

    Pila Mulligan tears himself away for the cartoon

    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe

    Adelene Dawner: ^.^

    stevenaia Michinaga: there's a reason they are so popular

    Pila Mulligan: i see

    Adelene Dawner: You'll enjoy it, Pila. ^.^

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Antaries

    Pila Mulligan: bookmarked

    Adelene Dawner: :D

    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to join us

    Pila Mulligan: flew de coup

    stevenaia Michinaga: noob

    Adelene Dawner: Updates quite reliably on Tuesdays and Thursdays - I think we've missed less than 5, all told, including the two the week where the artist's computer was stolen.

    Pila Mulligan: is that theft of intellectual property :)

    Adelene Dawner: *snerk*

    Pila Mulligan: I tried to interest a lawyer friend in PAB today

    stevenaia Michinaga: he on SL?

    Pila Mulligan: he went to divinity school before law school

    Pila Mulligan: not yet

    Pila Mulligan: time will tell

    Pila Mulligan: old fut like myself

    Adelene Dawner: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: SL comes in all ages

    Adelene Dawner: I have someone to bring, too... one of these days. Not sure if she has a regular SL account tho.

    Pila Mulligan: actually the suggestion was to try PaB and avoid SL :)

    Adelene Dawner: One of the clients from our Teen Grid gig.

    Pila Mulligan: cool

    Pila Mulligan: a teen then?

    Adelene Dawner: Nope. One of the organizers.

    Pila Mulligan: PaB seems to be G rated

    Adelene Dawner suddenly finds herself having trouble with words...

    stevenaia Michinaga: hardly

    Pila Mulligan: really Steve?

    Adelene Dawner: Teens aren't allowed in SL-proper anyway.

    Adelene Dawner: And no, definitely not G.

    stevenaia Michinaga: well, so I am told...grin

    Pila Mulligan: I've never seen any off color ... whoops, take it back

    stevenaia Michinaga: you don;t get out much, do you Pila

    Adelene Dawner: hehehe

    Pila Mulligan: PaB not SL :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: ok, true

    Pila Mulligan: only a few times have I seen off color word sin Pab, and they have been mine :)

    Pila Mulligan: s**t once and f**k once actually

    Pila Mulligan: otherwise, clean as a whistle here

    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m shocked!!!!!

    Pila Mulligan: me too

    Pila Mulligan: maybe it was in IMs :)

    Adelene Dawner: Anyway, she's a history person - North Dakota historical society staffer. Thought it'd be an interesting counterpoint to the no time discussions to have her here sometime. :)

    Pila Mulligan: North Dakota is probably a pretty timeless place

    Pila Mulligan: timeless*

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ray

    Pila Mulligan: is she an Indian Ade?

    Ray XXXXXXX: hello stevenaia

    Pila Mulligan: lots of Indian history there

    Ray XXXXXXX: I'm new here

    Adelene Dawner: not to the best of my knowledge.

    Pila Mulligan: have a seat if you like Ray

    stevenaia Michinaga: grab a notecard in the blue thing in front of you

    Ray XXXXXXX: I want to, but where are seats?

    stevenaia Michinaga: there are pillows here

    Ray XXXXXXX: I found it

    stevenaia Michinaga: we are a regular discussion group that meets here

    Pila Mulligan: we and a few dozen more, from time to time

    Ray XXXXXXX: umm what should I do with this card

    stevenaia Michinaga: read it

    Ray XXXXXXX: mm my computer is too slow

    stevenaia Michinaga: we record our conversations and post them on a wiki, it that ok if we include you?

    Pila Mulligan: I have the slow computer problem also Ray

    Ray XXXXXXX: I may have to use another computer. Let me see if there is any available. see you then. thanks

    Pila Mulligan: ok

    Pila Mulligan: sounds like an office or university

    stevenaia Michinaga: n.p. we are here at 1:00 and 7:00 am and pm

    stevenaia Michinaga: did he say yes to the record question?

    Pila Mulligan: he did not answer yet

    Adelene Dawner: gone, now.

    Pila Mulligan: looking for something else to use

    stevenaia Michinaga: nods

    Pila Mulligan: how's tai chi Steve?

    stevenaia Michinaga: beginning second 8 weeks, time to focus on the grace of it all, the teacher is good

    stevenaia Michinaga: walking through water and all that :)

    Pila Mulligan: I found the video I wanted to send you a month or so ago -- the one I sent was just a substitute

    stevenaia Michinaga: would love to see it when you find it, half the time she wasn't facing the camera

    Pila Mulligan: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=wu+chi&hl=en

    Pila Mulligan: speaking of grace :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: not exactly the form we do

    Pila Mulligan: yes, this video is w style -- I think yours is closer to yang style (that was in the first video)

    Pila Mulligan: wu*

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes

    stevenaia Michinaga: as far as I;ve taken it

    Pila Mulligan: but this video shows the movement with chi really well

    Adelene Dawner: mmf. words bad. home now. cya next time. *purr purr*

    Pila Mulligan: you can really see how her movement is connected with her internal energy

    Pila Mulligan: bye Ade

    Pila Mulligan: my feeling is that in the end the value of all practices is mostly physical

    stevenaia Michinaga: as is meditation for the mind

    Pila Mulligan: even meditation ultimately has most of its value in the physical:)

    Pila Mulligan: odd as that may sound

    Pila Mulligan: but this is the world according to Pila, not any orthodoxy

    stevenaia Michinaga: grins

    Pila Mulligan: the opening and dropping and emptying people refer to is really physical stuff

    stevenaia Michinaga: if it works for you, .....

    Pila Mulligan: yep

    stevenaia Michinaga: well I must go, thanks for the company

    Pila Mulligan: nice to see you Steve

    stevenaia Michinaga: always for me too

    Pila Mulligan: aloha

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