The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.
Pila Mulligan,Adelene Dawner and I spend the meeting discussing Hindu deities and and webcomic
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pila
Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
Pila Mulligan: how are you?
stevenaia Michinaga: good, was a bit tired earlier, so if I nod out you know why
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: you mentioned the other night about Hinduism and Buddhism, didn't Buddhism evolve from Hinduism
Pila Mulligan: in the sense the Christianity followed Judaism, insofar as I understand it -- they came form the same locales and ideas
stevenaia Michinaga: thought so, have done much religious study? You seem familiar with aspects of many
Pila Mulligan: Buddhists are just the smartest religion in the world, as far as I can see, and Hindus are a mishamsh of numerous ideas
stevenaia Michinaga: *some
Pila Mulligan: but I love the Hindu gods -- especially Ganesh
Pila Mulligan: the elephant boy
stevenaia Michinaga: Gods, representing aspects of the spirit world?
Pila Mulligan: well, Gods in the old greek sense too
Pila Mulligan: like Zeus et al
Pila Mulligan: the Hindu trinity is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
Pila Mulligan: Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva is the destroyer
stevenaia Michinaga: What? the christian trinity isn;t unique..grins
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: it is unique if you listen to Christian intellectuals :)
stevenaia Michinaga: of course
Adelene Dawner: what now, Pila?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ade
Pila Mulligan: hi Ade
stevenaia Michinaga: pet pet
Pila Mulligan: how be ye?
stevenaia Michinaga: pick a lap, any lap
Adelene Dawner: but, but, dun wanna pick ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: n.p.
Pila Mulligan: we had just begun to name the Hindu pantheon :)
stevenaia Michinaga: of which I know just about nothing
Adelene Dawner: Ah ^.^
Pila Mulligan: Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver and Shiva is the destroyer
Pila Mulligan: the best known deities of India are probably Krishna and Rama -- they are avatars of Vishnu
Adelene Dawner: If you say so.
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, they used to visit me at the airports in the 70's
Pila Mulligan: the two most beloved classics of India are their stories -- the Ramayana and the Mahabarata
Pila Mulligan: the coolest god ever invented is Ganesh, the elephant boy, son of Shiva
stevenaia Michinaga: what's his claim to fame?
Adelene Dawner: Now Ganesh, I know, 'cause one of his avatars is a character in a webcomic I follow. And yes, he's awesome. ^.^
Pila Mulligan: probably that there are more festivals for Ganesh than any other god in history :)
Pila Mulligan: he is truly adorable
stevenaia Michinaga: a party god?
Pila Mulligan: his first roll actually is god of the bath :)
Pila Mulligan: role*
stevenaia Michinaga: nots
Pila Mulligan: as the story goes ....
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: rather
Pila Mulligan:
Shiva was off on one of his god campaigns, leaving his wife Shakti at home
unbeknownst to Shiva, while he was gone for many god years, shakti bore his son, Ganesh
at that time Ganesh was just a regular god-boy
so Shiva comes home from his battles
and it just so happens that Shakti, not expecting him, had gone to take a bath
and she had told Ganesh to guard the door while she was bathing
so the boy is standing before the door when Shiva and all his warriors approach the house
Shiva starts to enter the house and Ganesh says my mom told me to guard the door
Shiva orders Ganesh to stand aside and Ganesh gives him a stinky look
so Shiva tells one of his warriors to remove the boy from the door
but the warrior is unable to remove Ganesh
so shiva draws his sword and chops off the boys head and goes inside
when he finds Shakti in the bathtub, she tells him Ganesh is their son
so Shiva goes back outside and chops the head off his favorite elephant and puts it on the boys shoulders
hence we have Ganesh as he appears now :)
stevenaia Michinaga: great stories, Pila
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: Ganesh is the coolest god ever
stevenaia Michinaga: so he lives again with the head of an elephant?
Pila Mulligan: yep -- and he becomes the unquestioned favorite deity of India
Pila Mulligan: in terms of festivals
Pila Mulligan: I probably have half a dozen ganesh statutes around my house, and that is a paltry number compared to houses in India
Pila Mulligan: it is just a cheerful image
Pila Mulligan: what is the webcomic you mentioned Ade?
Adelene Dawner: Ursula Vernon's Digger.
Pila Mulligan: wish I could gte broadband :)
Pila Mulligan: get*
stevenaia Michinaga: images on Google images
Adelene Dawner: The archive is paid-account only for the last few months, but most of the archive is free, and the whole thing it going to be opened up soon, I hear.
Adelene Dawner: http://www.diggercomic.com/
Pila Mulligan: what is the ganesh character's name?
Adelene Dawner: ohhh, new layout... and, hey! Archive!
Adelene Dawner: Just Ganesh... the avatar in question is a talking statue of Ganesh, so...
Pila Mulligan: :)
Adelene Dawner: http://www.diggercomic.com/?p=7
Pila Mulligan: wow, there he is :)
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm :)
Pila Mulligan: is the main character a mouse
Adelene Dawner: Anthropomorphic wombat. :)
Pila Mulligan: ahh, of course
Adelene Dawner: ...which is actually pretty *normal*, for Vernon's art.
Pila Mulligan: the old hominid Australian marsupial
Adelene Dawner: http://www.metalandmagic.com/modules...a915bcb89d2f69
Pila Mulligan: I got caught up reading the panels you sent, and the next ones :)
Adelene Dawner: noooo, Pila. There's, um, well over a thousand of them?
Adelene Dawner: Wait 'till you have time.
Adelene Dawner: Like, a day or two. ^.^
Adelene Dawner: *checks* okay, nearing 700. Still.
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan tears himself away for the cartoon
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: there's a reason they are so popular
Pila Mulligan: i see
Adelene Dawner: You'll enjoy it, Pila. ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Antaries
Pila Mulligan: bookmarked
Adelene Dawner: :D
stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to join us
Pila Mulligan: flew de coup
stevenaia Michinaga: noob
Adelene Dawner: Updates quite reliably on Tuesdays and Thursdays - I think we've missed less than 5, all told, including the two the week where the artist's computer was stolen.
Pila Mulligan: is that theft of intellectual property :)
Adelene Dawner: *snerk*
Pila Mulligan: I tried to interest a lawyer friend in PAB today
stevenaia Michinaga: he on SL?
Pila Mulligan: he went to divinity school before law school
Pila Mulligan: not yet
Pila Mulligan: time will tell
Pila Mulligan: old fut like myself
Adelene Dawner: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: SL comes in all ages
Adelene Dawner: I have someone to bring, too... one of these days. Not sure if she has a regular SL account tho.
Pila Mulligan: actually the suggestion was to try PaB and avoid SL :)
Adelene Dawner: One of the clients from our Teen Grid gig.
Pila Mulligan: cool
Pila Mulligan: a teen then?
Adelene Dawner: Nope. One of the organizers.
Pila Mulligan: PaB seems to be G rated
Adelene Dawner suddenly finds herself having trouble with words...
stevenaia Michinaga: hardly
Pila Mulligan: really Steve?
Adelene Dawner: Teens aren't allowed in SL-proper anyway.
Adelene Dawner: And no, definitely not G.
stevenaia Michinaga: well, so I am told...grin
Pila Mulligan: I've never seen any off color ... whoops, take it back
stevenaia Michinaga: you don;t get out much, do you Pila
Adelene Dawner: hehehe
Pila Mulligan: PaB not SL :)
stevenaia Michinaga: ok, true
Pila Mulligan: only a few times have I seen off color word sin Pab, and they have been mine :)
Pila Mulligan: s**t once and f**k once actually
Pila Mulligan: otherwise, clean as a whistle here
stevenaia Michinaga: I;m shocked!!!!!
Pila Mulligan: me too
Pila Mulligan: maybe it was in IMs :)
Adelene Dawner: Anyway, she's a history person - North Dakota historical society staffer. Thought it'd be an interesting counterpoint to the no time discussions to have her here sometime. :)
Pila Mulligan: North Dakota is probably a pretty timeless place
Pila Mulligan: timeless*
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ray
Pila Mulligan: is she an Indian Ade?
Ray XXXXXXX: hello stevenaia
Pila Mulligan: lots of Indian history there
Ray XXXXXXX: I'm new here
Adelene Dawner: not to the best of my knowledge.
Pila Mulligan: have a seat if you like Ray
stevenaia Michinaga: grab a notecard in the blue thing in front of you
Ray XXXXXXX: I want to, but where are seats?
stevenaia Michinaga: there are pillows here
Ray XXXXXXX: I found it
stevenaia Michinaga: we are a regular discussion group that meets here
Pila Mulligan: we and a few dozen more, from time to time
Ray XXXXXXX: umm what should I do with this card
stevenaia Michinaga: read it
Ray XXXXXXX: mm my computer is too slow
stevenaia Michinaga: we record our conversations and post them on a wiki, it that ok if we include you?
Pila Mulligan: I have the slow computer problem also Ray
Ray XXXXXXX: I may have to use another computer. Let me see if there is any available. see you then. thanks
Pila Mulligan: ok
Pila Mulligan: sounds like an office or university
stevenaia Michinaga: n.p. we are here at 1:00 and 7:00 am and pm
stevenaia Michinaga: did he say yes to the record question?
Pila Mulligan: he did not answer yet
Adelene Dawner: gone, now.
Pila Mulligan: looking for something else to use
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Pila Mulligan: how's tai chi Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: beginning second 8 weeks, time to focus on the grace of it all, the teacher is good
stevenaia Michinaga: walking through water and all that :)
Pila Mulligan: I found the video I wanted to send you a month or so ago -- the one I sent was just a substitute
stevenaia Michinaga: would love to see it when you find it, half the time she wasn't facing the camera
Pila Mulligan: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=wu+chi&hl=en
Pila Mulligan: speaking of grace :)
stevenaia Michinaga: not exactly the form we do
Pila Mulligan: yes, this video is w style -- I think yours is closer to yang style (that was in the first video)
Pila Mulligan: wu*
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: as far as I;ve taken it
Pila Mulligan: but this video shows the movement with chi really well
Adelene Dawner: mmf. words bad. home now. cya next time. *purr purr*
Pila Mulligan: you can really see how her movement is connected with her internal energy
Pila Mulligan: bye Ade
Pila Mulligan: my feeling is that in the end the value of all practices is mostly physical
stevenaia Michinaga: as is meditation for the mind
Pila Mulligan: even meditation ultimately has most of its value in the physical:)
Pila Mulligan: odd as that may sound
Pila Mulligan: but this is the world according to Pila, not any orthodoxy
stevenaia Michinaga: grins
Pila Mulligan: the opening and dropping and emptying people refer to is really physical stuff
stevenaia Michinaga: if it works for you, .....
Pila Mulligan: yep
stevenaia Michinaga: well I must go, thanks for the company
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: always for me too
Pila Mulligan: aloha
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