2009.03.17 07:00 - Time Re-Lived

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Pilgram, please tell me about memories.  Is it just a recording of the past?  Is it true/false? 
When I re-visit the past, am I 'just' walking through memory or ...  ?
I wonder.
And we wander.

"Novice Adams Rubble" and I had one of the nicest mornings together.

Adams Rubble: Hi Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: good morning adams
Riddle Sideways: ah you have added 'novice' to your title
Adams Rubble: Yes, it reminds me to be open as a child to new ways of thinking

DearReader, what is your talisman?  We all come back to PaB for the new ways of thinking.  What in your daily life do you see, hear, smell, sence that reminds you to be open ... ?

Riddle Sideways: is one of the best first steps
Adams Rubble: I did that last June and over most of the summer but lost the ability to do it in the fall
Adams Rubble: Since late December I have been able to do it again
Riddle Sideways wonders what is seasonal about it
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: That is only an "appearance"
Adams Rubble thinks "user error" would better describe it
Riddle Sideways: will it is very much like planting crops / seeds
Adams Rubble: yes it is
Riddle Sideways: that reaping what you sow
Adams Rubble: very much so

The seasons they change, then repeat. The cycles keep turning, then repeat.  We are... and then are not...  and then are again... "As it has always been".

Riddle Sideways: I miss gardening
Riddle Sideways: use to be a farmer
Adams Rubble: I have never been a very good gardner
Adams Rubble: Ah, neat
Adams Rubble: My grandfather had a farm so we visited it as kids
Riddle Sideways: back in those back-to-the-earth days
Riddle Sideways: had a little homestead
Adams Rubble: that is neat
Riddle Sideways: 40 acres
Riddle Sideways: goats, potatoes, horse-drawn equiptment
Adams Rubble: wow, horse-drawn :)
Riddle Sideways: horse power is sooooo
Riddle Sideways: more then awe-some
Adams Rubble: :)

...

Riddle Sideways: there is a super respect
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: although I still go gah-gah when I see a John Deere tractor
Riddle Sideways: went to the woods, cut down a tree
Riddle Sideways: hook a horse by chain to the tree
Riddle Sideways: say go
Riddle Sideways: it takes it's best path to the road
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: That is a wonderful experience to have had
Adams Rubble: I still have so much imagery from my days on the farm

Wish upon the will...
Wishing there were some way to do the Spock mind-mend through SL.
Wishing Adams and I could have exchanged each others exceltations ...
Wishing you could read the mind-meld that we just (and will) write here.
Thar be experiences here.
just mere words on the tube,but grasshopper look under them and see/hear/sense/know a deeper level.
Adams pours out heart hear so here it...

Riddle Sideways: I am forgetting what the sci-fi authors name is
Adams Rubble: I draw from it constantly
Riddle Sideways: that wrote character Lasurius Long
Riddle Sideways: speeling problem
Riddle Sideways: heinlein maybe

...

Adams Rubble wouldn;t know anyway unfortunately but waiting to hear what Riddle has to tell
Riddle Sideways: Lassirious was a great vehicle for quotes
Riddle Sideways: I can't quote it exactly
Riddle Sideways: had a list of what a complete man needed to do in his life
Riddle Sideways: program a computer, birth a baby, grow a meal
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: there were about 8 items
Adams Rubble: the modern renaissance man?
Riddle Sideways: yep

...

Riddle Sideways: good thing I am guardian
Adams Rubble: I must say Riddle, you are full of surprises about all you have done :)
Riddle Sideways: I will edit all this
Adams Rubble: hehe

will edit this more tommorrow...
RL only gives me moments per task.

Riddle Sideways: is why I don't write my bio
Riddle Sideways: sometimes sounds like forest gump
Adams Rubble giggles
Riddle Sideways: biggest memory = I was at woodstock
Adams Rubble: there was an accidental quality to Forest Gump's experiences..he never really knew he was having them in a sense
Riddle Sideways: biggest disappointment = don't remember anything of saturday at woodstock
Adams Rubble: I was almost in a trendous 50 car accident near Woodstock during that time
Adams Rubble: I remember that vividly
Riddle Sideways: wow
Adams Rubble: Fortunately there was room for the cars to go off each side of the highway
Adams Rubble: when the dust cleared...
Adams Rubble: there were cars everywhere
Adams Rubble: and I stopped about a half inch behind the car in front of me
Adams Rubble: there ahd been a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic
Adams Rubble: he too was in the middle medium strip with his bike on the side
Adams Rubble: there seemed to be a long pause when no one moved
Adams Rubble: then slowly it began to move and all the cars slowly got back on the road\
Adams Rubble: after that everyone drobe much more sanely
Adams Rubble: drove
Riddle Sideways: I need to search the PaB logs to see how many records about car accidents exist
Riddle Sideways: it is a short moment in ones life
Riddle Sideways: that sticks
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: time is strecthedout
Adams Rubble: That is one of two in which I was very lucky
Adams Rubble: That was before i had seat belts too
Adams Rubble: I have to go
Riddle Sideways: I have also been in accidents too
Riddle Sideways: very lucky in them too
Riddle Sideways: Oops... Adam poofed ... gone
Riddle Sideways: oh well, we never know what happen-stance will bring
Riddle Sideways: ...
Riddle Sideways: ah, Adams returns
Adams Rubble: yes, sorry that was so rude..but necessary
Riddle Sideways: RL happens
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: analogy noted
Riddle Sideways: is becoming one of favorite sayings
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: but.... we were almost getting somewheres
Riddle Sideways: with the car accident subject
Adams Rubble: yes, I broke up the flow
Adams Rubble: and time strecthed out for you
Adams Rubble: went fast for me
Riddle Sideways: had time to do a little searching in wiki
Adams Rubble: oh?
Riddle Sideways: please remind me... does wiki contain the old blog entries too?
Adams Rubble: yes :)
Riddle Sideways: well search is not very detailed in wiki
Riddle Sideways: and was wondering if it had all the stuff
Riddle Sideways: it showed 25 hits on accident
Adams Rubble: wow
Riddle Sideways: but maybe 25 is max it will show
Riddle Sideways: so many people have memories of accident time
Adams Rubble: We need to get more shared knowledge to work on the searching...I haven't had time to paly with it too much
Riddle Sideways: things happening so fast
Riddle Sideways: I have not either
Riddle Sideways: then we play the scene back repeatedly
Riddle Sideways: and see things that happened automagically
Riddle Sideways: that we think we didn't know then
Riddle Sideways: is a big wide open subject that many can relate to
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: in the PPF chats we are stumbling on the memory vs past area
Riddle Sideways: when we 're-play' the scenes of the accident
Riddle Sideways: are we re-living it
Riddle Sideways: are we only remembering it
Adams Rubble: I think a bit of each
Riddle Sideways: are we going through it NOW as if then
Adams Rubble: In my case, I can see much of it vividly
Adams Rubble: and feel some of the emotion
Adams Rubble: but I am not shaking
Adams Rubble: Ooooooh there's a third one that I might be shaking if i told it
Riddle Sideways: that happens
Adams Rubble: Interesting because that is one in which I did not do anything wrong
Riddle Sideways: which is right then
Adams Rubble: Thinking of all these accidents makes your horse experience look mighty good
Riddle Sideways: yep
Riddle Sideways: but there were accidents there too
Adams Rubble: Although in reading through old newspapers doing some geneology I came across serious horse accidents
Adams Rubble: oh, both at the same time :)
Adams Rubble: yes!
Riddle Sideways: image of my asking horse to go/do something
Riddle Sideways: and having her swing her big head around and give me SUCH a look
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: imagine if your car, computer, phone, etc. any of todays tech
Riddle Sideways: could just give you a look
Adams Rubble always wondered what horse had to say to each other when all the humans were out of the barn
Adams Rubble: horses
Riddle Sideways: I think we know what they say about us
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: well, back to a time streaching subject
Riddle Sideways: I have had problems relating how I do time tothis group
Riddle Sideways: since it is based on an art that is hard/long to describe
Riddle Sideways: not many would/could relate
Riddle Sideways: took me years
Riddle Sideways: but, I can experience what others most times do in an auto accident
Riddle Sideways: that calm
Riddle Sideways: of just having to DO
Riddle Sideways: the auto-setting of priorities
Riddle Sideways: and only doing the most important
Riddle Sideways: as if automagically
Riddle Sideways: no thoughtt
Riddle Sideways: then later re-live the inputs that were just 'recorded'
Adams Rubble "wows" at the re-live part
Riddle Sideways: and that re-live vs remember vs play-back it the point
Riddle Sideways: what is that
Riddle Sideways: ?
Riddle Sideways: IDK
Adams Rubble: Up to the re-live I was wondering if I had anything I could relate to what you were saying
Riddle Sideways: sorry and TY
Riddle Sideways: now you can add
Riddle Sideways: and help me figure out that moment vs memory
Adams Rubble: Often someone reports something here in PaB that seems magically and wonderful
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: at that point the rest of us sit and try to match that against our own experiences
Adams Rubble: I would have to think deeply about this
Adams Rubble: I think it is wonderful you can do this
Riddle Sideways: in watching/listening to most people
Riddle Sideways: they relate to auto accidents
Riddle Sideways: which is a sick thing
Riddle Sideways: but, they know of what we talk
Adams Rubble nods but not about the sick
Riddle Sideways: inputs/data is coming in toooooooo fast
Riddle Sideways: most has to go to secondary storage
Riddle Sideways: later
Riddle Sideways: while sitting on the curb talking to the police
Riddle Sideways: it gets played back
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: later at night
Riddle Sideways: when no inputs/sences coming in
Riddle Sideways: secondary storage is reloaded
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: I think you are answering your own question
Riddle Sideways: are those fresh, unexperienced inputs?
Riddle Sideways: or old memory
Riddle Sideways: is it the past beoming the present
Adams Rubble: like a computer, memory goes into the processing unti and is reprocessed
Adams Rubble: the processor is blank until the memory comes
Adams Rubble: so we might view ot differently each time we reload it or maybe not
Adams Rubble: the potential is there to process it differently depending what else we have loaded into our processor
Riddle Sideways: yes, and that processing time is NOW/0th time
Riddle Sideways: we bring an old past into 0th
Adams Rubble: Not sure about the 0th time part
Riddle Sideways: we are re-living ??
Adams Rubble: it is in the moment
Adams Rubble: I think we are somewhat detached but there are degrees of detachment
Riddle Sideways: am thinking that I 'park' present moment.. yes detach present
Riddle Sideways: and attach an old recording of a present
Riddle Sideways: we are in that moment?
Adams Rubble: like listening to a song on a CD again
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: we feel the music
Adams Rubble: can become one with the music
Adams Rubble: but can not change the music
Adams Rubble: on the CD
Adams Rubble: unless we erase it :)
Riddle Sideways: beg to defer
Riddle Sideways: I change the lyrics all the time
Adams Rubble: but you don;t change the CD
Riddle Sideways: and hear what was not there at last listening
Adams Rubble: you change what you are doing while listening
Riddle Sideways: a scientist in me says you are correct
Riddle Sideways: another me says you are wrong
Adams Rubble: alas I am not a musician, only a parent of one
Riddle Sideways: there are facts you think you know
Riddle Sideways: there are others that ....
Adams Rubble points to her tag
Riddle Sideways: yes, novice that is how we start
Riddle Sideways: and started today
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Our memories of the acidents are still stories
Riddle Sideways: stories we tell ourselves AND others
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: where does that play in time-less, zeroth, ever
Riddle Sideways: am still tinking those through
Adams Rubble begins to wonder whether the heroic tales of battles were as vivid for the ancients
Riddle Sideways: ah yes
Riddle Sideways: before the auto
Adams Rubble: life and death
Riddle Sideways: we had to have moments in battle scenes
Riddle Sideways: later we would sit shaking
Riddle Sideways: and re-live those recording
Riddle Sideways: some were soooo great that we pasted them to the next generation
Adams Rubble: Getting back to 0th time for a moment (hehe), it may be necessary for us to have some general agreement of what we are talking about when we use the term
Adams Rubble: I think of it as "eternal" time
Adams Rubble: and so for me the accident story is as irrelevant to 0th time as the battles of Homer
Riddle Sideways: that may have been the beauty of how Pema defined it
Riddle Sideways: that he seemed (to me) to define a. NOW b. eternal c. something else
Riddle Sideways: mostly outside the linear one-dimensional thought of time
Adams Rubble: yes, for me it is a connector
Adams Rubble: something I can use to plug me in
Riddle Sideways: yes, a connector... with a loose define that I can take places
Riddle Sideways: yet, not pre-determined
Adams Rubble: like a shaman putting on a mask
Riddle Sideways: zero (time) [ack, my keyboard has no approximation key/symbol]
Adams Rubble: hmm...I take the shaman part back...too much baggage
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: ah, thatz what I was meaning
Riddle Sideways: many/most words have that baggage
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: so we talk around and around the subject
Riddle Sideways: we slip up and say 'word' and everybody jumps
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: I may be able to talk to you with some words and need different words for someone else
Riddle Sideways: we make a new word like 0th
Riddle Sideways: and run with it
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: oh dear, I am needed to move on to next life activity
Riddle Sideways: this has been
Riddle Sideways: thought provoking
Adams Rubble: Yes, we have gone past the hour but it was time well spent for me :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: Yes, lots to think about
Adams Rubble: Well, thank you for the discussion
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: bye for now...I'll leave politely this time :)
Riddle Sideways: :D