The Guardian for this meeting was Solobill Laville. The comments are by Solobill Laville. I'll attempt to go through and add comments asap...
Solobill Laville: Hi, Tarmel! :)
Tarmel Udimo: hey Solo, long time no see:-)
Tarmel Udimo: Very nice outfit!
Solobill Laville: :) Thanks
Solobill Laville: How have you been?
Tarmel Udimo: very good
Tarmel Udimo: thought I was coming down with a cold, but seem to be fighting it off
Solobill Laville: Oh, great!
Tarmel Udimo: how about you?
Solobill Laville: Very well! Busy, but managing to stay balanced
Solobill Laville: Nice necklace...reminds me of Venice
Tarmel Udimo: oh ty, came with another outfit and I like it so wear it all the time
Tarmel Udimo: have you been to Venice?
Solobill Laville: Yes, once
Tarmel Udimo: liked it?
Solobill Laville: Yes, it is I think the most romantic city in the World, in my experience
Solobill Laville: I was there off-prime tourist season though
Tarmel Udimo: yes?
Solobill Laville: I hear it can get crowded and a bit "odorous" in the summer ;)
Tarmel Udimo: and was it romantic?
Solobill Laville: Oh, cobblestone sidewalks, intimate restaurants
Solobill Laville: No cars...canals...bridges
Solobill Laville: San Marco square
Solobill Laville: yes
Tarmel Udimo: ahh so the architecture and ambience was romantic but was the hreat pounding?
Tarmel Udimo: heart
Solobill Laville considers
Solobill Laville: The environment greatly contributed to a pounding heart, yes
Solobill Laville: :)
Wol Euler: hello solo, tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: hey there Wol-e
Solobill Laville: :) Ms. Euler!
Wol Euler: evening all!
Wol Euler: morning to you, tarmel, of course
Tarmel Udimo: yep, was up at 6:00am so now latish morning
Wol Euler: o.O
Tarmel Udimo: I was just putting solo on the spot and he's managed to avoid the question very nicely
Wol Euler: oooh, tricky.
Solobill Laville: Hello, Fefonz! :)
Wol Euler: hello fefonz
Tarmel Udimo: hey fefonz
Fefonz Quan: Hey Tarmel, Solo, Wol :)
Solobill Laville: It was the last pre-children vacation with my wife and we had a lovely time, Tarmel ;)
Tarmel Udimo: that's more like it:-)
Tarmel Udimo: hello Anonymous1
Anonymous1: hello everybody
Solobill Laville: Hello, Anonymous1! :)
Wol Euler: hello Anonymous1
Anonymous1: whats up!
Fefonz Quan: hi Anonymous1
Wol Euler: clouds...
Wol Euler: the bankruptcy rate
Wol Euler: :)
Anonymous1: what am i suppost to do here?
Tarmel Udimo: yes everyone with kids talks about PC life with wismy solo
Solobill Laville: We are part of a group that explores "what is real"
Wol Euler: we are a meditation group, Anonymous1
Solobill Laville: We all meet here to discuss our experiences, to create a shared vocabulary and an experiential library of sorts.
Solobill Laville: Many times, it's about communicating those things in a way that the people you're with get your intent, get where you're coming from which is in the best case an open honest place.
Solobill Laville: *Cal Heron
Solobill Laville: Have you been here before Anonymous1?
Anonymous1: no
Anonymous1: i dont know how to play this game very well
Solobill Laville: ok, there's no expectations really
Fefonz Quan: brb
Wol Euler: its not a game in the usual sense Anonymous1. There are no points, no score, no winning, no losing ...
Solobill Laville: We use Sl more as a platform to communicate
Anonymous1: i gotta it!
Solobill Laville: I can give you a notecard or two about the group if you're interested
Anonymous1: i just star this game 2 day ago...
Fefonz Quan: back (with tea :))
Anonymous1: ok
Solobill Laville: wb, Fef
Wol Euler: ah well, lost another one to Mara
Solobill Laville: :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
Wol Euler: hello faeil
Tarmel Udimo: :-)
Solobill Laville: Hi, Fael! :)
Tarmel Udimo: hi fael
Fefonz Quan: Hi Feal :)
Solobill Laville: Maybe we need to develop a PaB game for newbies
Fael Illyar: game?
Wol Euler: ooh great idea!
Wol Euler: with points.
Wol Euler: and buried treasure
Solobill Laville: A Being gun, perhaps?
Tarmel Udimo: hahashahaha
Fefonz Quan: each 9-sec you get one point
Solobill Laville: Ooh, points and buried treasure is much better
Tarmel Udimo: if you last for 15mins you get many more points
Wol Euler: exchange your treasure for a karmic upgrade
Solobill Laville: And in the last 10 minutes we can have a "Mara dance party"!
Wol Euler: :)
Tarmel Udimo: grins
Fefonz Quan: :)
Solobill Laville: Any topics to share?
Fefonz Quan: maybe
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow
Fefonz Quan: thought lately about the heart part in our practice
Wol Euler: mm?
Fael Illyar: umm... part?
Fefonz Quan: we talk a lot about being, about pheno, about appearances, and i fell that i need sometimes
Tarmel Udimo: can there be a seperation?
Fefonz Quan: feel*
Wol Euler: do you mean that there is not enough "heart" in the sessions?
Fefonz Quan: to get back to the more emotional, human in a way part of the path
Fefonz Quan: how or is is connecting us more to people around us,
Fefonz Quan: making us more compasionate and kind
Solobill Laville: Perhaps it is always there, Fef, but we lose sight of it in the stratosphere of conceptualizing a lot of this stuff
Fefonz Quan: didn't mean to say that Wol
Fefonz Quan: yes, Solo
Fefonz Quan: maybe i'm talking about my practice Wo, wouldn't blame the "sessions" at all
Fael Illyar: The heart is in everything we do but we can also choose to just express the heart too.
Fefonz Quan: how Fael?
Tarmel Udimo: its strange but I find by staying present in being so to speak one sees celarly and feels clearly what is called for and as fael says sometimes its just heart stuff
Solobill Laville: That is not strange at all Tarmel...I think it is a very natural occurence
Solobill Laville: Ultimate naturalness actually :)
Fael Illyar: I love you Fefonz :)
Solobill Laville: :)
Fefonz Quan: :)
Fael Illyar: (was that expressive enough?)
Tarmel Udimo: grins
Solobill Laville: Fefonz, may I ask, does faith play any role in your practice?
Wol Euler smiles
Fefonz Quan like expressiveness
Fael Illyar: I guess I mean this with expressing just the heart :)
Fefonz Quan: faith is a complicated word for me
Solobill Laville: Can you simplify it?
Fefonz Quan: faith, like a faith in god is not a concept i follow, since i believe in experiennce and not pre-assumptions
Fefonz Quan: but faith in the way that i have faith that i am walking in the right directin, yes
Fefonz Quan: direction*
Fael Illyar: to me God is not a pre-assumptions. Merely a term for something that's rather difficult to describe.
Solobill Laville: That is the faith I meant
Solobill Laville: (the latter)
Fefonz Quan: though this needs checking every once in a while
Fael Illyar: (if not downright impossible to describe)
Fefonz Quan nods
Chiaiu Chiung: hi all
Wol Euler: hello chiaiu
Solobill Laville: That faith in "right direction" is very important, imho
Solobill Laville: Hi, Chiaiu! :)
Fefonz Quan: and one of the checkings is what i'm doing now
Fefonz Quan: Hi Chiaiu :)
Tarmel Udimo: Hi Chiaiu
Tarmel Udimo: being able to express arsing feelings which are different to emotions needs trust
Fefonz Quan trying to avoid blind faith
Tarmel Udimo: *Arising
Fael Illyar: blind faith is best avoided by seeing :)
Fefonz Quan: can you say more about the different between feelings and emotions?
Tarmel Udimo: its more about how it arises
Solobill Laville humbly must excuse himself...last accepted to a one-day retreat, bye all (I have claimed the log)
Wol Euler: oooh, ecellent!
Fefonz Quan: Bye Solo :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Solo :)
Wol Euler: bye solo, have a great time, be restful and enlightened
Chiaiu Chiung: bye solo
Tarmel Udimo: bye
Solobill Laville: :) bye!
Tarmel Udimo: its like a feeling state that arises from the center of me
Tarmel Udimo: and usually assocaited with a feeling openess and vulnerabilty
Tarmel Udimo: hwre as emotions are well we all experience them
Tarmel Udimo: its difficult to be that open...
Fefonz Quan: (just prefer that posture for my knees)
Wol Euler: :)
Tarmel Udimo: you can change by clicking on the mat
Tarmel Udimo: move over chiaiu
Fefonz Quan: So you are taking about openness Tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: ahhh okay
Tarmel Udimo: see about mat
Tarmel Udimo: yes
Fael Illyar: seems I need to go afk for a while...
Wol Euler: hb
Tarmel Udimo: when can get swept up in emotions but this 'feels' different its like my whole being is responding and yet remaining objective
Tarmel Udimo: One
Fefonz Quan: adn what you describe is connected to our practice?
Tarmel Udimo: it doesn't happen very often
Wol Euler: it sounds almost as though you mean "love" when you say "feeling"
Wol Euler: (in the sense that we were trying to define love last friday)
Tarmel Udimo: you could call it love in which case it is non human or very human
Tarmel Udimo: but it relates to the practice because it is triggered by clarity
Wol Euler: hello ari
Chiaiu Chiung: hi arisia
Fefonz Quan: hello arisia
Tarmel Udimo: hi arisia
Arisia Vita: Hi to all
Tarmel Udimo: its the missing link that I think you are talking about fefonz
Fefonz Quan: So if i understood you Tarmel you say that the practice helps you to open your heart in a way
Tarmel Udimo: yes
Wol Euler nods.
Tarmel Udimo: in a non senitmental way
Fefonz Quan: missing would be a little harsh
Fefonz Quan: but that is the link i talk about, yes
Tarmel Udimo: if taken as a critism and not a pointer:-)
Fefonz Quan: i do know what you're taking about Tarmel, having expreienced it myself
Tarmel Udimo: yes?
Fefonz Quan: (i hope)
Tarmel Udimo: of course you do:-)
Fefonz Quan: but sometimes i feel that it is easy to feel like that on the cushion, but maintaining it while going on daily life
Fefonz Quan: is the tricky part
Wol Euler thinks about the "world's worst buddhist" link that Gen posted in the e-mail forum today
Tarmel Udimo: yes interestinly enough taking the pressure off 'working' on it in daily life has allowed it to arise more often in daily life:-)
Tarmel Udimo: yes I read that too
Tarmel Udimo: it was fun and a much needed insight
Fefonz Quan: i just started, then interrupted...
Wol Euler nods
Fael Illyar: Ah, Hi Ari :)
Fefonz Quan: Wb Fael :0
Tarmel Udimo: one needs a good rangle once in a while
Fael Illyar is no longer afk.
Fefonz Quan: :)
Wol Euler: wb fael
Arisia Vita: Hi Fael
Tarmel Udimo: and a few emotional explosions
Fefonz Quan: where there any in the article ?
Tarmel Udimo: wol?
Wol Euler: I too didn't get to the end, sorry :)
Tarmel Udimo: ahhh
Wol Euler: reading in the office, didn't think to finish it when I got home
Tarmel Udimo: yes there was a bit of SHOUTING
Arisia Vita: Hi Anonymous2
Fefonz Quan: shouting may be very liberating
Chiaiu Chiung: hi Anonymous2
Tarmel Udimo: basically her friend was killing her with kindness and she just needed a good rave and rant and for that to be okay without the buddhist overtones ...
Tarmel Udimo: hi Anonymous2
Wol Euler: are you OK, Anonymous2?
Fefonz Quan fefonz exercised shouting in a workshop once, a great experience
Wol Euler: right-click on a cushion and select "sit" to join us
Fael Illyar: Yes, everyone has different needs. She needed shouting, not comforting :)
Tarmel Udimo: yes
Fefonz Quan: yes, many times people confuse compassion with kindness
Fefonz Quan: when it can be the opposite
Tarmel Udimo: I did for a long time, still do sometimes
Fefonz Quan: i found a kick in the butt (metaphoricly) to bring me some of the best quantum leaps forward
Tarmel Udimo: yes:-)
Fael Illyar: yes, some people just are able to give themselves the kick and might even do that too much. So those people don't need others kicking them more :)
Fael Illyar: others can't and need it from others
Fefonz Quan: yes, that's true
Fefonz Quan: a good teacher should know to recognize it
Fael Illyar: I find it a good "rule" to not look at rules, look at the person you're dealing with
Fefonz Quan: exactly, that's what i meant in the previous response
Fefonz Quan: and the tricky part is: try to look at him without your own filters
Fael Illyar: filters, rules, are they not the same thing?
Fefonz Quan: i wouldn't say so Fael
Fefonz Quan: rules you set for yourselfs, your filters you are sometimes unaware of
Wol Euler: that's a nice definition.
Fael Illyar: can you give me an example of a filter?
Tarmel Udimo: yes filters are the hardest
Fael Illyar: and perhaps explanation how to tell it apart from a rule
Fefonz Quan: a rule i telling you what to do: "if you meet a tall strong guy, he needs a kick in the but"
Fefonz Quan: is *
Fael Illyar: oh, you don't have rules you make for yourself? or is filter your term for those?
Fefonz Quan: a filter is "when i see a tall big guy, i immediately feel intimidated, in both conscious or un conscious way"
Fael Illyar: is that just not a rule that says "a tall big guy is dangerous"?
Tarmel Udimo: no I think of it as a filter
Fefonz Quan: well, maybe filters have some rules, but rules can apply to many things
Fefonz Quan: filters define how we see the world, i think
Fefonz Quan: rules can tell us what to do,
Fael Illyar: isn't that interpreting and as such doing?
Fefonz Quan: a more basic filter can be - i am color blinded
Tarmel Udimo: filters feel more like they come from rules and embed themselves in us so we don't even know they are there
Fefonz Quan: i'm not sure color blindness is a rule i put on myself
Fael Illyar: Whether it is, or isn't, I don't know.
Arisia Vita: If you all will excuse me, I want to catch the Kira meeting...
Fael Illyar: but why does a rule have to be something you've put on yourself?
Tarmel Udimo: yes i have to go too..
Arisia Vita: hope to see you all again....
Wol Euler: bye ari, take care
Fefonz Quan: mee too
Wol Euler: and bye tarmel too.
Wol Euler: and fefonz
Chiaiu Chiung: and me too
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
Wol Euler: bye chiaiu
Wol Euler: bye fael
Wol Euler: bye me
Wol Euler: bye playgoda
Fefonz Quan: have a good weekend too, Wol, Fael :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Tarmel :)
Chiaiu Chiung: bye all
Fael Illyar: See you later Wol, Fefonz, Chiaiu
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