2009.03.29 13:00 - Poems, stories and songs

   

The guardian for this session is Maxine Walden.  All the comments are hers. 

After the initial greetings which took several minutes, Pema and I, who are in dialog this session, seemed to go into simultaneous writing re how to proceed. Thus begins an interesting discussion of various aspects of time, but as often happens other unanticipated riches soon enter the discussion..

    

Maxine Walden: Pema, you know I was thinking that this new 90 second pause allows us to experience more zeroth time, re that timeless feeling that I think we were trying to consider last time
Pema Pera: Well, Maxine, what shall we talk about this time? We have had our theme meetings now for several weeks at this time, Sunday afternoon, on "timeless time" or the like -- would you like to continue that, or switch to a different theme?
Pema Pera: sorry, simultaneous typing :)
Pema Pera: yes, indeed!
Tarmel Udimo: co-arising:-)
Maxine Walden: we could do either...did you have another theme in mind?
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: nothing in particular
Maxine Walden: yes, Tarmel
Pema Pera: either way is fine
Maxine Walden: in our earlier session today, the 7am one, each 90 second pause seemed to allow us to 'be' and to feel more spacious
Pema Pera nods
Eliza Madrigal: :::scratch:::
Riddle Sideways: awwwww
Wol Euler: hello pila
Maxine Walden: and regarding our previous conversation, important as it was, from the perspective of the wider scope

   

In here Korii as a huge but playful tiger cat is pouncing around the pavilion.  So imagine, dear reader, efforts to consider time amidst the playful pouncings, purrings, distractions of a large feline presence.

    

Korii Tiger: hi pila
Eliza Madrigal: :) purrs back
Pila Mulligan: greetings
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila
Eliza Madrigal: Greetings
Pema Pera was ready for a big splash of water . . .
Pema Pera: . . . seeing the tiger heading for teh pond
Korii Tiger: lol
Pema Pera: does anybody have any particular question, suggestion, observation concerning time?
Korii Tiger: of corse being the agile dainty cat that i am i landed on the edge with poise and grace ;)
Pema Pera: :-)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Pema Pera: cats don't like water, I know
Tarmel Udimo: :) tarmel LOVES cats
Pema Pera: oh oh
Korii Tiger: ^.^
Pema Pera: (thinking Korii would jump after all)
Korii Tiger: hi Neela
Wol Euler: hello neela
Riddle Sideways: cats can warp time so that there is enough tim eto land on feet

   

Feeling perhaps a bit too obsessively my job as one of the dialogers I offer a thought about time:

    

Maxine Walden: a friend of mine, interested in time, asked whether it is a discovery or an invention
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Neela
Neela Blaisdale: Hello everyone:)
Tarmel Udimo: (loves all other animals too but don't tell the CATS):-)
Maxine Walden: hi, Neela
Korii Tiger: LOL
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Neela
Wol Euler: good question!
Pema Pera plugs Korii's ears wth both hands
Korii Tiger: O.o
Pema Pera: (so as not to hear Tarmel)
Tarmel Udimo: :-)
Korii Tiger: ./me thisnk kitty needs to take tarmel shopping
Tarmel Udimo: good question
Pema Pera: what do you think, Maxine?
Maxine Walden: well, increasingly, I am thinking it is an invention.
Pila Mulligan: intervals exist in nature, hours and minutes are more arbitrary
Tarmel Udimo: (anytime Korii :)
Korii Tiger: :D i'll hopld you to that
Maxine Walden: maybe in the 90 sec pause coming up we can each wonder about time
Korii Tiger: sounds grand.

   

The 'announcement' which Storm scripted and which really serves as a reminder of time.

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Maxine Walden: and our view of the experience of the pause

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And then some of our considerations

    

Maxine Walden: what experiences?
Tarmel Udimo: more thoughts than anything and wondering when the first need for 'time' arose in a formal way
Tarmel Udimo: not based on a reading of the sun and shadow or rising of the moon
Pila Mulligan: I'd suggest when people began growing things
Mickorod Renard: I thought in the garden of eden
Mickorod Renard: when humanity lost its innocence
Solobill Laville is Online
Riddle Sideways: ah so you relate lost of innocence with "time"
Mickorod Renard: its a thought
Wester Kiranov: (sneaks out)
Mickorod Renard: after all,,children have little concept of time
Pila Mulligan: bye Wester
Neela Blaisdale: Bye Wes

   

Pema begins the song part of our session, which triggers other offerings

    

Pema Pera meekly admits hearing the tune "shifting, drifting; cloudless, starless; velvet valleys and a sapphire sea" wafting across time
Maxine Walden: meekly, Pema?
Tarmel Udimo: ?
Riddle Sideways: /meekly admits hearing the tune, "Time in a bottle"
Pema Pera: well, compared to the more penetrating insights offered above :)
Tarmel Udimo: hehehehehe
Mickorod Renard: maybe time is like money
Mickorod Renard: there's ,,here today gone tommorow
Eliza Madrigal: There's the natural rhythm, and there is the tool of "time" which sometimes becomes the master if we forget the beauty of the former
Mickorod Renard: I like that eliza
Riddle Sideways: seems very easy to forget time the tool
Maxine Walden: yes
Tarmel Udimo: ahhh Frank Zappa - should have known :-) >pema
Riddle Sideways: use or lose it
Pema Pera: what, me, PaBlag? -- this is only my fifteenth session so far :-)
Pema Pera: and Frank Zappa fits right in now
Tarmel Udimo: I am sure .... :)
Maxine Walden: indeed!
Riddle Sideways: the idea of "Mothers of Invention"
Pema Pera: ah, time!
Pema Pera: u c !!
Pema Pera: thank you, Riddle :)
Tarmel Udimo: :-)
Maxine Walden: Pema, what is your experience right now, into the 15th straight session?
Maxine Walden: a bit woozy? or time-lagged?
Pema Pera: a bit dreamy I guess, yes
Mickorod Renard: Hi Faaga
Pema Pera: But yes, I love Frank Zappa songs; there is the line in the one I quoted "You'll be absolutely free, only if you want to be" -- in fact, that could some up all of PaB
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: try an un-occupied cushion, Fhaaga
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Fhaaga
Pema Pera: welcome, Fhaaga
Fhaaga Roecastle: im sorry

   

When the second 15 minute pause begins, it seems in the session and also reading here far shorter than a 15 minute interval

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Fhaaga Roecastle: my connection seems to be a bit slow

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Riddle Sideways: Ah
Pema Pera: Fhaaga, we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
Fhaaga Roecastle: no I dont mind
Pema Pera: thank you!

   

Then Eliza begins our poem gathering 

    

Eliza Madrigal: There is a poem...Time Problem, by Brenda Hillman..anyone familiar?
Maxine Walden: no, Eliza, please tell us
Tarmel Udimo: no, but would like to be:-)
Pema Pera: :)
Fhaaga Roecastle: no
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=176572
Eliza Madrigal: Thought of it the other day reading logs...
Mickorod Renard: hiya Solo
Wol Euler: hello solo
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Solo
Pila Mulligan: hi solo
Solobill Laville: Heya, folks!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Solo
Neela Blaisdale: Hi Solo
Maxine Walden: thanks, Eliza, for the poem, evocative
Pema Pera: yes, very much so
Mickorod Renard: wow,,nice poem
Mickorod Renard: will keep that
Pema Pera: and 12 years old --- seems my life was so much simpler then and less time pressured :-)
Fhaaga Roecastle: me too
Eliza Madrigal: A little long...why I didn't type it...would take so much timehah
Pema Pera: :)

   

And Tarmel offers another poem, which seems a perfect book end match with the previous one offered by Eliza

    

Tarmel Udimo: yes very nice Eliza - and speaking of poetry, one of my favourites :): Wild Geese by Mary Oliver

Wild Geese
by Mary Oliver

You do not have to be good.
You do not have to walk on your knees
for a hundred miles through the desert repenting.
You only have to let the soft animal of your body
love what it loves.
Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine.
Meanwhile the world goes on.
Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain
are moving across the landscapes,
over the prairies and the deep trees,
the mountains and the rivers.
Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air,
are heading home again.
Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination, calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting  over and over announcing your place in the family of things.

    

Mickorod Renard: maybe we could find out what we do know about time?
Eliza Madrigal: MMMMM. Tarmel, that is exquisite
Mickorod Renard: wow,,cool thanks
Pema Pera: yes, very direct
Mickorod Renard: must copy that for my collection
Maxine Walden: wonderful poems,just wonderful
Fhaaga Roecastle: yea
Tarmel Udimo: yes both very appropriate for PaB
Fhaaga Roecastle: I lucky to have come here
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Me too Fhaaga

   

Strands of thought,  from the poems and considerations of time and welcomings to a newcomer all interweave

    

Maxine Walden: my friend re the question of time, invention or discovery, mentioned that all of Nature, except perhaps our hurried selves, just lives life, no hurry, no impatience....
Maxine Walden: as the poems may imply
Pema Pera: you're welcome to come here, Fhaaga, any time -- we gather here at 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm every day
Fhaaga Roecastle: oh
Fhaaga Roecastle: thanks
Fhaaga Roecastle: Ill come often
Pila Mulligan: I'd bet prehistoric minds contemplated moon phases with what we would call an intellectual curiosity
Solobill Laville: I bet your right, Pila
Fhaaga Roecastle: they sure did
Wol Euler: hello sophia
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia
Fhaaga Roecastle: and we still do
Pila Mulligan: hi sophia
Solobill Laville smiles at Fhaaga
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophia

   

Pema offers another poem

    

Pema Pera: Here is a very short poem by Tagore, about time: 
T"The learned say that your lights will one day be no more." said the firefly to the stars.

The stars made no answer.

   

    

Fhaaga Roecastle: hi sophia
Fhaaga Roecastle: :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi sophie
Eliza Madrigal: Hmm
Tarmel Udimo: wow, what a dress sophia
Maxine Walden: ah, Pema...
Tarmel Udimo: beautiful
Neela Blaisdale: Hi Sophie
sophia Placebo: ty tarmel :)
Tarmel Udimo: nice one pema

   

And yet another 15 minute interval

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Solobill Laville: That is wonderful!
Pema Pera: thanks to Storm
Riddle Sideways: Maxine, I was thinking about time being discovered or invented

   

And I offer a small poem which occurred during the 90 second pause

    

Maxine Walden: a little poem which occurred: The birds and the crickets/sing during the pause/measuring the timelessness/we are experiencing together

   

And Riddle offers a story 

    

Riddle Sideways: there was a tribe on the eastside of the great river that discovered time
Maxine Walden: yes, Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: the one on the west side invented it
Pema Pera: how nice, Maxine!
Tarmel Udimo: lovely max
Riddle Sideways: of course they went to war
Eliza Madrigal: measure the timelessnesss....very nice
Maxine Walden: ty
Riddle Sideways: it probably not nice to insist of either

   

We ponder Riddle's story as potential metaphor as well as children's story for us all

    

Maxine Walden: interesting thought, Riddle; would agree
Pema Pera waiting with baited breath for the rest of Riddle's story . . . .
Riddle Sideways: wonders which tribe owned time
Pema Pera: which side won?
Riddle Sideways: is amuzing to puzzle over
Riddle Sideways: but I don't think I own time
Riddle Sideways: nor it me
Maxine Walden: does seem like a fight more than divergent realities
Maxine Walden: is this where our narcissism, our needing to possess the 'truth' might come in?
Riddle Sideways: probably

   

And other considerations about time continue to wend in

    

Tarmel Udimo: and yet without the invention of time, we couldn't travel in space, or could we?
Riddle Sideways opens dooe
Riddle Sideways: door
Pema Pera: seriously, Riddle, I see the possibility of a great children's story in the way you started
Pema Pera: why don't you try?
Tarmel Udimo: yes riddle
Pema Pera: share it with us on email
Riddle Sideways: maybe
Maxine Walden: not just a story for children, either, Riddle, but for us all
Pema Pera: children have so much more trouble with time than when I grew up, and older oldies among us
Wol Euler: if we had been _unable_ to invent time, had it really not occurred, we probaly would not have advanced beyond hunters and gatherers
Pema Pera: yes, that was Pila's point
Riddle Sideways: but Wol, we could have discovered time
Pema Pera: [13:18] Pila Mulligan: I'd suggest when people began growing things
Riddle Sideways: not invented it
Wol Euler: ah, sorry, I missed that
Pema Pera: yet hunters and gatherers also deal with seasons
Pema Pera: but perhaps less strictly so?
Pema Pera: not the hurry of harvesting season . . .
Maxine Walden: still the rhythms of the seasons, when to go for the berries, and the fish returning...
Tarmel Udimo: why do you think it was a discovery riddle?
Riddle Sideways: not sure I do, but it was probably one of those things laying around all the .... (time) and we just had to discover it
Tarmel Udimo: hummmm

   

Another story occurs to Riddle 

    

Riddle Sideways: now I am hearing a story of the nobles riding up to a castle
Pema Pera: :)
Riddle Sideways: and presenting them with their newest invention
Riddle Sideways: Time
Tarmel Udimo: we've jumped time
Riddle Sideways: the french yell down, "no, thanks we already have it"
Tarmel Udimo: hehehehehe
Maxine Walden: hoho, riddle
Mickorod Renard: viva la france

   

Which Pema picks up on and adds to...

    

Pema Pera: we have all the time in the world ! they said
Solobill Laville: hehe
Maxine Walden: haha, Pema
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Tarmel Udimo: grins

   

and Riddle adds to...

    

Riddle Sideways: we also have all the world,, in Time
Eliza Madrigal: :)

   

As does Pema...

    

    

Pema Pera: in a bottle . . .
Riddle Sideways: oh no
Riddle Sideways: that song getsstuck
Pema Pera: :-)))
Tarmel Udimo: :)

   

I think I know what to title this chatlog

    

Maxine Walden: think that title of this chatlog will be 'Poems and Stories' ...
Pema Pera: /methinks that Riddle will dream about time bottles tonite
Mickorod Renard: I recon time was invented at the same time as money

   

More songs

    

Eliza Madrigal: "tiiime is on my side..."
Riddle Sideways: TY Eliza

   

And an elaboration on the title of the log

    

Maxine Walden: 'Poems, stories and songs'...
Neela Blaisdale: Poems ,Stories and rock and roll
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Neela Blaisdale: :)

   

And another 15 minute interval pause

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Which brings us up to the hour mark, so people begin their goodbyes

    

Wol Euler quietly excuses herself and slips away. Goodnight everyone.
Riddle Sideways: Thank you Strom, the pool is beautiful
Scathach Rhiadra: night Wol:)
Mickorod Renard: nite Wol
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Wol
Neela Blaisdale: Night Wol
Maxine Walden: nite wol
Tarmel Udimo: night wol
Solobill Laville: Night, Wol
Riddle Sideways: nite wol
sophia Placebo: bye wol
Pema Pera: I'll say goodbye too
Neela Blaisdale: Nifgt everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema, Neela
Pila Mulligan: bye
Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, night all, namasté
Solobill Laville: Yes, night all
Pema Pera: till next "time" :-)
Fhaaga Roecastle: bye wol
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle, Scath, Solo.....all :))))
Maxine Walden: bye all
Riddle Sideways: need to take these bottles of time back to the storeroom
Tarmel Udimo: bye all
Maxine Walden: right, Riddle
Riddle Sideways: bye for the time Being
Fhaaga Roecastle: Well
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: well, me to go as well. great discussion...will be fun to write about for the log
Riddle Sideways is Offline
Fhaaga Roecastle: thank you all
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Maxine