2009.03.26 19:00 - Like the Ripples on Water

Pema posted the chat log here, on behalf of Sylectra, who was the Guardian for this meeting.

Pema Pera: Hi Sophia!
Pema Pera: How are you?
Pema Pera: Hi Charles!
SophiaSharon Larnia: I am much better today thanks, how are you???
Pema Pera: oh, fine, busy, but what else is new :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Charles
SophiaSharon Larnia: I know what you mean :)
Pema Pera: Hi Threedee! Threedee and Sophia, this is Charles' first visit here
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi ThreeDee
Threedee Shepherd: Hi folks
SophiaSharon Larnia: this is my second day here myself Charles
Pema Pera: (and as you can see Charles is not phased by lions walking over him)
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
Pema Pera: Charles and I met in RL a couple days ago
Pema Pera: here in Manhattan
Threedee Shepherd: aha
SophiaSharon Larnia: that is so cool
Pema Pera: so it's nice to see you here now in SL for a change!
Pema Pera: Would you like to introduce yourself?
Pema Pera: poet, theologian, busiman, editor, sailor, . . . .
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
Pema Pera: *business
Pema Pera: (and silent contemplative? :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have posted on the website Ihope that is okay, it was a bit impulsive maybe I should have asked?
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
Pema Pera: what did you post, Sophia?
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh just my experience of the first day doing the meditation
Pema Pera: Hi Pila!
Threedee Shepherd: hi pila
Pila Mulligan: greetings
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pila
Pema Pera: that sounds great, Sophia!
Pema Pera: On which page?
SophiaSharon Larnia: my own, i think
Threedee Shepherd: there is currently 18" of snow in my backyard (thickness, that is:)
SophiaSharon Larnia: it doesn't say everything i think. but enough for now
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow Threedee
Pila Mulligan: wow indeed
Pema Pera: I'm envious!
Pema Pera: I love snow
SophiaSharon Larnia: can not say i do, work far from home :)
Threedee Shepherd: we are just East of the front range of the Rockies and big spring storms are common
Charles2 McCaw: just some gentle spring rain here in the city
SophiaSharon Larnia: here too I have been loving it
SophiaSharon Larnia: it has suited my mood
Pema Pera: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel much more still, for which i am very greatful
Pila Mulligan: more still from the 9 second practice Sophia?
SophiaSharon Larnia: after a bit, at first it made me feel a little desperate
Pila Mulligan: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: all those 15 min. going by ding ding ding
Threedee Shepherd: Yes, it is interesting how soon the next bell seems to ring
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think i may have to extend them a bit
SophiaSharon Larnia: if i may say
Pila Mulligan: is anyone familiar with the I Ching
Pila Mulligan: ?
SophiaSharon Larnia eats her soup
Threedee Shepherd: only marginally
Pema Pera: sure, Pila
SophiaSharon Larnia: i know its basic premise, but not its practice
Pila Mulligan: the 9 second practice is a reflection of gua (hexagram 31 -- the seond and fifth lines
Pila Mulligan: it is an interesting thing
Pila Mulligan: the timing is a little more frequent, but otherwis eit is very close
Charles2 McCaw: is the 9 second priactice literally from the I Ching
Charles2 McCaw: or just inspired by it
Pila Mulligan: no, accidentally -- if you like accidents
SophiaSharon Larnia: i love them
Pila Mulligan: coindicentally if you like coincidence
Pema Pera: first time I hear of it, Charles :-)
Pila Mulligan: firs tI've mentioned
SophiaSharon Larnia: sychronistic once anyway
Pema Pera: how did you decide that, Pila?
Pila Mulligan: and with some tredpidaiton I shouold add
Pila Mulligan: read it an see, Pema
Charles2 McCaw: dies it bother anyone to have to watch to clock to see when the 15 mintues comes up each time
Pila Mulligan: thisis why mentioned it
SophiaSharon Larnia: many things parellel each other
Pila Mulligan: there is a better signal than the clock
Threedee Shepherd: no, eventually it becomes a habit that takes care of itself--for me, anyway
Pila Mulligan: it is a sensation in the calf
Pila Mulligan: of theleg
Charles2 McCaw: sounds like that might work
Pila Mulligan: I first explored this 25 years ago with a kung fu master
Pila Mulligan: since then I;ve tried to poen the topic with tai chi and aikoido practiioners
Pema Pera: Hi Aurel!
Pila Mulligan: oly to find PaB as probably the most relevant example of it
Pila Mulligan: hi Aurel
Threedee Shepherd: evening, aurel
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Aurel
aurel Miles: Hi All
Pema Pera: What does your calf tell you, Pila?
Pema Pera: when it is time for another 9-sec?
Pila Mulligan: here's what the second line of gua 31 says: Mutual influence on one's calves. Misfortune. Tarrying, good fortune
Pila Mulligan: you feel it when it is time to tarry
Pila Mulligan: it is quite obvious :)
Charles2 McCaw: ;)
Pila Mulligan: once you pay attention to it
Pema Pera: ah, a kind of internal clock?
Pila Mulligan: here is what the 5th line of gua 31 says: Mutual influence on one's upper back. No regret
Pila Mulligan: the connection is that you feel itin the calf
Pila Mulligan: ignore it and you get off balance
Pila Mulligan: tarry until the influence arrives at the upper back and balance returns
Pila Mulligan: it is vlaid in martial arts, spoprts, etc
Pila Mulligan: it is avery deep and little known thing, too
Pila Mulligan: I notice it abouit tentimes a day
Charles2 McCaw: so the calf starts it off and he back finsihes the cucle
Pila Mulligan: not evenly spaced :)
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pema Pera: and it takes several seconds?
Pila Mulligan: yes
Threedee Shepherd: Pila, I cannot help but say (ok, I can, but won't) that it sounds like a very veal signal to me.
Pila Mulligan: I've been practicingit for more than 25 years Threedee
Pila Mulligan: it works
Threedee Shepherd: (that was NOT a typo)
Pila Mulligan: veal being calf
Threedee Shepherd: ^.^
Pila Mulligan: if you can imagine a circle around themiddle of your calf, thatis the sensation
SophiaSharon Larnia: and this is brought about by intention
Pila Mulligan: no
Pila Mulligan: itis an extrinsic energy meeting you intrinsic energy
Charles2 McCaw: can you say anything else about the experience, Pila
Pila Mulligan: yes, Charles -- nay particular interests in that regard?
Pila Mulligan: any*
Charles2 McCaw: not anything in particular, just whatever occurs to you to share
Pila Mulligan: have you ever noticed when you walk behind someone where you look?
Threedee Shepherd: Oh, a daring question, Pila ^.^
Pila Mulligan: it is not uncommon for people to involuntarily glance a the calf of someone they follow
Charles2 McCaw: i would suspect the spine
Pila Mulligan: yse, butt first, of course
Pila Mulligan: but then what
Pila Mulligan: watch and see
Charles2 McCaw: well it probably depends on the individual
Pila Mulligan: yes, and what's on thei rminid
SophiaSharon Larnia: you're right, at the feet so you can judge distance to avoid tripping them, and then for me, to the side
Charles2 McCaw: but i will check it out tomorrow on my morning walk
Pila Mulligan: Paramahansa Yoganada taught kriya yoga
Pila Mulligan: he defined kriya as involuntary movements
Pila Mulligan: there are lots of those in the body all the time
Pila Mulligan: looking at someone's calf is letting your eyes folow what some shamans call the lines of the earth
Threedee Shepherd: I agree Pila, and take them to be a basis of feeling in the broader sense of the term.
Pila Mulligan: it is an energy line
Pila Mulligan: see whay I broached the sube=ject with some trepediation :)
Pema Pera: :)
Charles2 McCaw: does it take away from the expereince when someone is wearing baggy clothes, obscuring the calf?
Pila Mulligan: not at all
Pila Mulligan: and also, you may want to try massaging themiddle of the calf
Threedee Shepherd: any relation to the austrailian songlines
Pila Mulligan: it is quite responsive to massage
Pila Mulligan: I'm not familiar with them Threedee
Pila Mulligan: Pema, i tried to open this subject in the article I wrote for Adams in the Chronicles
Threedee Shepherd: Those are "invisible" lines in the landscape that aboriginal people follow on their walkabouts
Pila Mulligan: maybe you haven't seen it
Pila Mulligan: yes, then it is ismilar
Pema Pera: no, I haven't yet, Pila, will read in due time
SophiaSharon Larnia: why the calf
Pila Mulligan: just is Sophia :)
Pila Mulligan: I cannot give a reaons
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Pila Mulligan: I hope this is not overding it
SophiaSharon Larnia: I want to look it up as soon as I leave here
Pila Mulligan: I tried to discuss the subject recently in SL with two old tai chi practicioners
Pila Mulligan: they were semi-responsive, but leery of talking about it
Pila Mulligan: internal energy ideas are not exactly science related
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes for now
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: in the end, my take on the 9 second practice is thatit is more of a yoga than ameditation
Pila Mulligan: a physical exercise mroe than a contemplation
Pila Mulligan: and this is why
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is like it snaps me back in body
Pila Mulligan: yep -- balnace
SophiaSharon Larnia: if i let it
Charles2 McCaw: i crashed just as you were talking about he aboriginal pracitce, Pila
Charles2 McCaw: was there anything more on that?
Pila Mulligan: Threedee was -- he was saying the Australian aboriginals follow invisible lines in walking about
Pila Mulligan: Hawaiina aboriginals do similar stuff
Charles2 McCaw: but those are lines in the earth, rathere than lines in the body
Pila Mulligan: they are
Pila Mulligan: but they touch the body
Pila Mulligan: alos
SophiaSharon Larnia: like cords?
Pila Mulligan: more like the ripples on water
Pema Pera: I think the 9-sec has many possible connections with traditional practices, Pila -- there may well be contemplation as well as physical components as well as other connections; I don't think we can tie it to just one approach. The stopping and dropping itself is pretty universal, the move from what you have to what you are. But the physical connection you point at is certainly intriguing, thanks for mentioning it!
Charles2 McCaw: do they move like the ripples on the water?
Pila Mulligan: Pema, I agree -- this is an interesting aspect of a multi-facted practice
Pila Mulligan: Charrles, Isee in your profile you'd rather be sailing -- it is similar to seeing wind patterns on water
Pila Mulligan: they move gradually in curving formations
Charles2 McCaw: and the sailor not only sees, the sailor follows
Pila Mulligan: so it is :)
Charles2 McCaw: i sense these in the land, in a similar way to seeing the ripples on the water
Pila Mulligan: yep
SophiaSharon Larnia: what drives them?
Charles2 McCaw: to be sure
Pila Mulligan: good question :)
Pila Mulligan: I don't know
Pila Mulligan: variations in energy is an answer -- buit then what, i do not know
Pila Mulligan: mayeb like weather somhow
Threedee Shepherd: certain birds can sense and navigate using the Earth's magnetic field. It is reasonable to ponoder what other earth related energies there might be that can be sensed without realization.
Charles2 McCaw: whatever drives them, its clear they are connected to lots of other stuff
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Pila Mulligan: yes, to all of the above
Pila Mulligan: I think that people can direct external environmental energy
Pila Mulligan: intentionally
SophiaSharon Larnia: i agree with that, but very complicated for me to explain
Pila Mulligan: yes, ins't it :)
Charles2 McCaw: well we have as much capaccity for acting on the environemnt as anyone
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i think it has to do with our higher selves and the ability to connect with it
Pila Mulligan: there was an interesting artcile yeaterday about a physics theory suggesting that fractals may connect qunatum and traiditonal physics
Pila Mulligan: I don't know diddly abot phyiscs but the artcile sure had some familair sounding concepts in describing fractals
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertrum
Pila Mulligan: familair in the terms we have been tlkaing about
Pila Mulligan: hi Bert
Charles2 McCaw: i've never understood the imporatnce of fractals
Bertrum Quan: Hi everybody.
Charles2 McCaw: hi bert
Pila Mulligan: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...tum-world.html
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe that is how matter expands on a sub atomic level, energy anyway that is the way ive understood it
Pema Pera: Hi Bertrum!
SophiaSharon Larnia: but then I do not know
Threedee Shepherd: Charles2 importance is less the issue than incidence. Fractals seem to be one kind of natural pattern taken up by changable essences such as clouds, and even leaves vsa. trees vs. forests.
Pila Mulligan: says Bob Coecke, a physicist at the University of Oxford. "It suggests there might be an underlying physical geometry that physics has just missed, which is radical and very positive."
Charles2 McCaw: so you are talking about fractals as a kind of metaphor for the underlying pattern of everything
Charles2 McCaw: oe suggesting such a thing
Pila Mulligan: yes
Charles2 McCaw: got it
Pila Mulligan: a freamwork
Pila Mulligan: framework
Pila Mulligan: and reading this article brought my mind to the lines fo the earth ideas earlier today
Charles2 McCaw: but a dynamic, changing pattern
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pila Mulligan: within the ,imits of the fractal
Pila Mulligan: the pattern
Pila Mulligan: has a foundation, but things can chnage around it
Pila Mulligan: as i understand the fellow theory
Pema Pera: Pila, if I may bring up a different subject for a moment
Pila Mulligan: please
Pema Pera: I have been talking with Storm
Pema Pera: and we have located a nice area very nearby
Pema Pera: the size of the plot of land that you may have for sale for us in RL
Pema Pera: we can build a model community right here
Pema Pera: to see what it may look like
Pila Mulligan: cool
Threedee Shepherd: interesting idea, Pema
Pema Pera: can you remind us how large the plot is
Pema Pera: how many feet in each direction?
Threedee Shepherd: I would help with building
Pila Mulligan: I had serious doubts about the viability of Hawaii vis a vis just such a situatin
Pila Mulligan: 5 acres is about 44000 square feet
Pila Mulligan: time 5
Pila Mulligan: sorry 44k == 1 acre
Pema Pera: so about 150 by 150 meters?
Pema Pera: roughly speaking
Pila Mulligan: oh wait, who know s these number, I cna look the up
Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
Pila Mulligan: the lot here is 370' by 600'
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Stevenaia
Charles2 McCaw: are you talking SL dimensions?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Threedee Shepherd: hi steve
Pila Mulligan: so what's that
Pila Mulligan: no
stevenaia Michinaga: seems it;s sylectra's RL bd and she couldn't make it
Pila Mulligan: real life
Pema Pera: ah, not square?
Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
Pila Mulligan: rectangular Pema
Pila Mulligan: 222000 square feet?
Pema Pera: 113x183 in meters
Threedee Shepherd: 20,625 square meters
Pila Mulligan: oh, Pila is slow .. i thought you meant Storm had a lot of 5 acres on the mainland somewhere in real life
Pila Mulligan: pardon me
Pema Pera: 20,624 sqm
Pema Pera: yes, that is what I meant Pila
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pema Pera: we own most of this sim
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm , in Scotland?
Pema Pera: Bieup
stevenaia Michinaga: oh
stevenaia Michinaga: SL
Pema Pera: ah, no, in SL, sorry
Threedee Shepherd: A bit less than one third of a standard SL Island/Sim
Pila Mulligan: I thought he moved to Colordao
Pema Pera: "mainland" is where we are in SL
Pema Pera: hehehe
Pema Pera: you threw me off there
Pila Mulligan: ok, Pema, i misunderstood
Pema Pera: we are on the mainland!
Pema Pera: and I had misunderstood that you had square lots
Pema Pera: from looking at your map
Pila Mulligan: the real life lot is rectangular
Pema Pera: anyway, we can accomodate a 5 acre piece here on our land and start building a SL model of possible RL ways of using your land
Pila Mulligan: I see
stevenaia Michinaga: so you are suggesting it be prototyped here?
Pila Mulligan: ideas for how to use it also I hope
Pila Mulligan: how are you going to make a jungle in SL?
SophiaSharon Larnia: that is such a cool thing to do
stevenaia Michinaga: and how do we chop it down?
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: yes, Steve
Pema Pera: so Pila, before we confuse everybody, you'd better summarize the idea :)
Threedee Shepherd: where is 5 acres coming from, the plot in Hawaii is a bit less than 1/2 acre, if I read the numbers right
Pila Mulligan: I have a 5 acre lot in Hawaii that is in a rainforest - it is dense jungle
Threedee Shepherd: ahh
Pila Mulligan: I recently built a house on thelot next to it
Pila Mulligan: after clearing part of the jungle
Pila Mulligan: the idea Pema has is to build a retreat center on the five acre lot next door
stevenaia Michinaga: we should consider only using the forest we cut down
Pila Mulligan: it is a nice idea, and could work
Threedee Shepherd: What are the daily climatic impllications of "RAIN"forest?
Pila Mulligan: but as Steve said, you need to plan what you are gooing to use
Pila Mulligan: you really cannot just clear five acres
Pila Mulligan: rain Thredee :)
Pila Mulligan: mixed with sunshine
Pila Mulligan: alternating
Pila Mulligan: plenty of water here
Threedee Shepherd: alternating on what cycle?
Pila Mulligan: but no snow
Pila Mulligan: during summer, 60-70% sun during the day
Pema Pera: well, I think I'll try and get some sleep for a few hours
Pila Mulligan: during winter, 70-100% rasin some days
Pila Mulligan: ok, bye Pema
Threedee Shepherd: bye Pema
SophiaSharon Larnia: Good night Pema
Pema Pera: Good seeing you here, Charles, and see you all soon, everybody!
Bertrum Quan: 'night Pema
stevenaia Michinaga: night pema
aurel Miles: night Pema
Pila Mulligan: sleep well
stevenaia Michinaga: has someone claimed the log?
Threedee Shepherd: Pema did
Charles2 McCaw: okay see you all later
Pila Mulligan: bye Charles
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Charles nice to meet you
Charles2 McCaw: U2
Threedee Shepherd: night
Pila Mulligan: fair winds :)
stevenaia Michinaga: good
Pila Mulligan: it's yours to claim Steve
Threedee Shepherd: Pila, is the opposite of fair winds, unfair winds, or foul winds?
Pila Mulligan: foul :)
Threedee Shepherd: Pema claimed it
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
Pila Mulligan: unless you are being metaphysical perhpas
stevenaia Michinaga: well Pema scripts in ruby and sketchup scripts in Ruby so maybe pema can write a ruby script to get a skectup model into SL
Threedee Shepherd: not a hope
stevenaia Michinaga: hahaa
Pila Mulligan: however it starts, it needs to be like all water or something so people get the idea of making islands of space for building
Threedee Shepherd: There is a complicated way to now get a sketchup model into SL--perhaps. The openSim version RealXtend uses meshes and there is a way to get sketchup into RealXtend where it shows up as prims. THEN, it might be possible to use SecondInventory to get it into SL, but I am not sure
stevenaia Michinaga: well perhaps I can mock it up, sent the drawings into SL for the model builders to attempt to construct
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds easier
Threedee Shepherd: that would be easier
stevenaia Michinaga: but program of uses comes first
Pila Mulligan: I should have aske Pema if he knows of anyone wanting to live at the site
stevenaia Michinaga: anyone can build w/ context, jsut look at the suburbs
Pila Mulligan: he said earlier there may besomeone
stevenaia Michinaga: I thought was Geo was considering it
Pila Mulligan: we should try to find out
stevenaia Michinaga: but if we build it here we will ahve to live in SL
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: good evening everyone, have agreat one
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you again Spphia
SophiaSharon Larnia: talk to you later
Pila Mulligan: if anyone hears of anyone interested in living on the site please ask them to speak up
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Pila Mulligan: hi Ade
Pila Mulligan: bye Sophia
Pila Mulligan: hi Peer
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Peer
Threedee Shepherd: Hiya Peer, Hi Luv
Adelene Dawner: 'lo Three, all. ^.^
Peer Infinity: hi everyone :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Ade
Threedee Shepherd: Just in time for the "second wind"
Pila Mulligan: we were talking abot the retreat site, Pema says Storm may try to model ideas for it in SL
Adelene Dawner: cool!
Threedee Shepherd: I have had the thought that such places ought to be called "renewal sites", not "retreat sites"
Pila Mulligan: interesting idea Threedee
Pila Mulligan: retreat is a long-used term, renewal has a fresher context
stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, sell naming rights
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the Pepsi Play as Being Monastic Center
stevenaia Michinaga: of exploration and refreshment
Pila Mulligan: the whole 21 acres (four 5+ acre lots) was blessed and named by a Hawaiain kahuna at the start -- the land is name Kumulani
Pila Mulligan: it means several things
Pila Mulligan: one is horizon
Pila Mulligan: but the two words mean teacher (kumu) and heaven (lani)
Pila Mulligan: so that implies anothe rmenaing
stevenaia Michinaga: how appropriate
Threedee Shepherd: "Learning Horizons" sounds like a franchise chain of some sort
Pila Mulligan: :)
Threedee Shepherd: What kinds of Fauna inhabit the rainforest?
Pila Mulligan: pigs
Pila Mulligan: feral pigs
Threedee Shepherd: hardly a native species
Pila Mulligan: birds
Pila Mulligan: nope, feral pigs are a nuisance
Pila Mulligan: native birs are very cool
Pila Mulligan: unique species
Pila Mulligan: thrush like
Pila Mulligan: and a Hawaiian hawk and Hawaiian crow
Threedee Shepherd: Pila, did you purposely move to a rainforest?
Pila Mulligan: lots of tourists from every speices
Pila Mulligan: yes Threedee -- it was the noly place in Hawaii I could afford :)
Threedee Shepherd: gee, I wonder why ;>
Pila Mulligan: actually it is a lovely and inspiring location
Pila Mulligan: 7 miles from a volcano
Bertrum Quan: on a road system?
Pila Mulligan: but that affects land prices
Pila Mulligan: yes, regualr county road and electric and telephoine service
Pila Mulligan: no boradband
Threedee Shepherd: so if you could get them to string cable TV, you could have broadband
Pila Mulligan: I got an estimate from Roadrunner of $10,000 to breing a cable here
Pila Mulligan: they say they will do it whne there are 30 cusomters int he area, there are only 5 houses nearby
Threedee Shepherd: so let each house get 5 TVs
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: I tihnk they meant 30 accounts :)
Bertrum Quan: how far is it from the nearest town?
Pila Mulligan: well, you need to define town
Pila Mulligan: it is 20 miles form Hilo
Pila Mulligan: 5 miles from Voclano Village (at the entrance to the Naiotnal Park)
Pila Mulligan: 100 miles fomr Kona -- the resoprt area
Pila Mulligan: 2000 miles from San Francisco :)
Pila Mulligan: so thats half an hour by car to Hilo and 5 hours by plane to SFO
Pila Mulligan: or is it 7 hours by plane -- the time differnece befuddle me
Threedee Shepherd: does Volcano Village have broadband?
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pila Mulligan: DSL and cable
Threedee Shepherd: Is volcano village line of sight to you?
Pila Mulligan: nope
Threedee Shepherd: darn
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: I wish
Threedee Shepherd: how about line of site with one repeater
Threedee Shepherd: *sight
Pila Mulligan: some local wireless towers are getting closer to here, but they are not close enuf yet
Pila Mulligan: they are alreayd playing that game, but again it is th epotnetial customer base that dissuades them
Pila Mulligan: only two of the five house here are interested
Bertrum Quan: what's the population of Volcano Villiage? And has the volcano been active in the last 50 years?
Pila Mulligan: I think the population in the Village area is about a thousand or so, and the Volcano has been active since 1984
Pila Mulligan: and actually since this island began -- it is a continuously active thing geologically
Pila Mulligan: Mauna Loa is the biggest volcano in the world, but it is quiet now
Pila Mulligan: kilauea, its little cousin, is active
Threedee Shepherd: how about satellite DSL?
Pila Mulligan: some peole use satellite, but the rain has clouds and that affects them
Threedee Shepherd: You didn't make this easy, did you?
Pila Mulligan: there is one satelllite servbice and it is very low on the horizon, for aiming
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: my 500k cell phone modem is just enuf for emailand SL
Bertrum Quan: Do the volcanic eruptions impact daily life there?
Pila Mulligan: Hawaii has non-explosive sheild volcanos -- they bsually just ooze lava
Pila Mulligan: but the steam from the eruption site can affect people when the wind blows it our way
Threedee Shepherd: odor
Pila Mulligan: usually the trade winds blow it south, and I am north of kilauea
Pila Mulligan: yes, sulfur
Threedee Shepherd: acid
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pila Mulligan: acid rain
Pila Mulligan: when there is both staema nd rain
Pila Mulligan: that affects the flora too
Pila Mulligan: many plants cannot grow here
Threedee Shepherd: gee, and acidrainforest with no dsl. That does sound like a RETREAT site
stevenaia Michinaga: night all
Pila Mulligan: but plants like the native fern and gardenia and others thrive in the acidity
Threedee Shepherd: night steve
Adelene Dawner giggles.
Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
Bertrum Quan: But not quite as dangerous then as the Alaska volcano that's in the news lately
Pila Mulligan: they call the steam vog, lkie smog
Pila Mulligan: andon bad vog days it is retreat, indoors
Pila Mulligan: it is nt really so bad, but not really so pleasant outside
Threedee Shepherd: is that volcano Sarah? (oops, sorery.....)
Pila Mulligan: inside no problem
Pila Mulligan: volcano Sarah?
Threedee Shepherd: Alaska, Sahar...I'll wait
Pila Mulligan: ah, slow Pila
Threedee Shepherd: *Sarah
Pila Mulligan: got iton
Pila Mulligan: now*
Pila Mulligan: yes, those guys are explosive
Pila Mulligan: like Mt St helenas
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
Bertrum Quan: ;)
Pila Mulligan: a nice day int eh rainforest is inspiring -- but like anything you get what you get on bad days
Bertrum Quan: but not an explosive volcano
Pila Mulligan: not normally :)
Pila Mulligan: not exploive at all actuyally
Pila Mulligan: but a new eruoption can send up a stream of lava high in the air
Pila Mulligan: that is what happened last in 1984
Pila Mulligan: quite a sight
Bertrum Quan: the news report of the Alaska volcano said the latest eruption sent ash 65,000 feet in the air...
Pila Mulligan: yes, that is not a shield volcano :)
Threedee Shepherd: not great for jet engines
Pila Mulligan: rememebr Pinatubo in the Phillipenes
Pila Mulligan: sp?
Pila Mulligan: it caused a global haze from ash
Pila Mulligan: when was that, in the 90's or so ?
Bertrum Quan: I do remember reading about that one.
Pila Mulligan: made for some beautiful sunsets
Pila Mulligan: but it affected climate everywhere for a year or so
Bertrum Quan: Are there tourists visiting the Kilauea eruptions then--viewing platforms and the like?
Pila Mulligan: the Hawaii Volcanoes national Park is the biggest tourist attarction in the State Bert
Pila Mulligan: there are two accessilbe viewing sites, on up at the soource and one where lava flows into the sea
Pila Mulligan: there was a third one built out over the large Kialuea crater, that was active in the early 1900's
Pila Mulligan: but recently a new small lava hole opened right undernetah that platform :) not an eruption but lots of steam
Pila Mulligan: so they doont us eit onw
Pila Mulligan: the active crater now is named Pu`u o`o -- that ios 7 miles fomr my house
Pila Mulligan: the Park is full of trails and roads that show the evolutionof an activ evolcao
Pila Mulligan: incjuding a large lava tube you can walk through
Pila Mulligan: it is also interesting to se ehow quickly plant life arrives on fresh lava
Adelene Dawner: neat :D
Pila Mulligan: then eroision and plants start making sand and dirt
Bertrum Quan: That would suggest Renewal then more than Retreat
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: Pele creates by destroying they say
Pila Mulligan: her lava wipes out one place and makes something new, even on the sea
Pila Mulligan: this land, by the way, is nestled into what is considered the safest area here, between Mauna Loa and Kilauea
Pila Mulligan: geologically not attractive to new lava
Bertrum Quan: not attractive to new lava?
Pila Mulligan: the topography -- they can predict where lava is likely ot flow
Pila Mulligan: like water
Pila Mulligan: this is a plateua area with the flow ground separated by gulches and such around it
Pila Mulligan: wheer the water and lave would flow
Pila Mulligan: from rain or an eruption
Pila Mulligan: by the way -- a flash flood ona Hawaii mountain can be an extreme expereince
Bertrum Quan: Are you in the path of that?
Pila Mulligan: nope, same thing with rain, safe due to topography
Bertrum Quan: so the only thing missing then is broadband!
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: and a few good restaurants maybe :)
Pila Mulligan: there are a few, but not many
Pila Mulligan: good restaurants
Pila Mulligan: one really nice Thai Restaurant in Volcano Village
Pila Mulligan: a few goodones in Hilo
Pila Mulligan: lots more in Kona -- 100 miles away
Pila Mulligan: then ther's SFO :)
Pila Mulligan: every few months some university class on a file dtrip will come to the This Restuarant while I';m there
Threedee Shepherd: OK, Elvis, let's fly over to SFO for dinner ;>
Pila Mulligan: always fun to talk wiht them
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: people do semi-commute believe it or ont Threedee
Pila Mulligan: lawyers I work with go back and ofrth frequnetly
Threedee Shepherd: That's so no one can easily find them ^.^
Pila Mulligan: probably :)
Pila Mulligan: so Threedee maybe you should organize a filed trip here for a class
Bertrum Quan: or perhaps someone can think up something to litigate
Pila Mulligan: usually they are earth sciences sutdnets, but that should not be a limit
Pila Mulligan: :)
Threedee Shepherd: I no longer have classes. I am Emeritus (which translates into no longer able to carry a shield and spear, from the latin)
Pila Mulligan: ahh, but can you travel?
Bertrum Quan: and file a lawsuit
Threedee Shepherd: Well, i once was briefly consulted on the dolphin sonar lawsuit, asking if i could provide evidence that dolphins had consciousness similar to humans. but that didn't go anywhere.
Pila Mulligan: I seem to recall meeting a clas here from Stanford a cople of years ago
Pila Mulligan: would you have testified that they do? i hoe
Pila Mulligan: hope*
Pila Mulligan: actually they seem way msarter than most people
Threedee Shepherd: yes
Pila Mulligan: thye are going ahead with the sonar stuff
Pila Mulligan: very sad
Threedee Shepherd: if they are smarter than people why do they hang around with people?
Pila Mulligan: curious, like a zoo
Threedee Shepherd: Yes, I saw that re the sonar
Pila Mulligan: maybe you can get in on the depleted uranium issue
Pila Mulligan: doe anyone in the Army have any intelligence, for exmple
Pila Mulligan: if so why do they want ot leave DU shells laying around
Threedee Shepherd: because that can. that is usually the most parsimonious explanation for human behavior
Pila Mulligan: indeed
Bertrum Quan: and there is a disconnect between humans and other sentient beings
Pila Mulligan: because they can explains it all
Pila Mulligan: isn;t there, Bert - so true
Threedee Shepherd: Oh, some humans rconnect with non-human sentience.
Bertrum Quan: Some do, yes.
Pila Mulligan: quite a few do here, but in geberal people seem to have been urgbanized in their idea of what's real
Pila Mulligan: the forest is quite alive, plants birds, even pigs
Threedee Shepherd: how did gerbils get into this conversation?
Pila Mulligan: Army gerbels maybe
Peer Infinity: gerbils are sneaky like that... always sneaking into conversations...
Adelene Dawner: *chuckles*
Pila Mulligan: lion snacks
Bertrum Quan: knawing their way into and out of them
Threedee Shepherd: I actually have know some Major Gerberils in my day.
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: were they uniform in appearance?
Bertrum Quan: And did they gnaw and run their wheel
Threedee Shepherd: no, lots of color on their chests in obscure patterns
Pila Mulligan: ahh, an odd species
Pila Mulligan: or subspeices
Threedee Shepherd: Yes, they are sub-bordinate to lieutenant Gerberils
Pila Mulligan: so how about a seminar on the fractal variations of lava flow fomrations
Pila Mulligan: as an experiment in 3D renderings
Threedee Shepherd: hmmmmm
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: you ought to se what they call Pele's Hair
Pila Mulligan: fine threads of glass like lava
Pila Mulligan: very fine as in thin
Pila Mulligan: and in interesting patterns
Pila Mulligan: how true Squee
Bertrum Quan: I need to log off. Thanks for the conversation.
Pila Mulligan: making somehting form nothing
Adelene Dawner: 'night Bert
Pila Mulligan: bye Bert
Pila Mulligan: nic echatting with you
Bertrum Quan: 'night everyone
Threedee Shepherd: been done already. From a paper on the web "We have conducted a preliminary investigation of the fractal nature of the plan-view shapes of lava flows in Hawaii (based on field measurements and aerial photographs) as well as in Idaho and the Galapagos Islands (using aerial photographs only). Our results indicate that the shapes of lava flow margins are fractals. In other words, lava flow shape is scale-invariant"
Pila Mulligan: cool
Pila Mulligan: I'm not surprised
Pila Mulligan: it is so neat to watch it flow
Pila Mulligan: but it is also so obviously in a strucutre of some sort
Peer Infinity: goodnight
Threedee Shepherd: goodnight Peer. i too am about to be off
Pila Mulligan: bye Peer
Pila Mulligan: well, nice chat Threedee and Ade
Threedee Shepherd: Night Pila, Ade. :)
Adelene Dawner: 'night Luv. ^.^
Pila Mulligan: see yopu next time
Pila Mulligan: did someone get the chat log?
Threedee Shepherd: Pema claimed it
Pila Mulligan: ok, thanks
Pila Mulligan: how have you been Ade?
Adelene Dawner: Good ^.^ Busy, but good ^.^
Pila Mulligan: cool
Pila Mulligan: me too
Pila Mulligan: work busy
Adelene Dawner: Drawing board is a few hours' work from done, and then I need to get serious about the college build I'm supposed to be working on. After that, the Neuroversity project takes prescidence.