2009.03.14 19:00 - Discussion on proposed PaB retreat in Hawaii

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Myna Maven. The comments are by Myna Maven.

    Pila Mulligan: hi Myna
    Pila Mulligan: bye
    Pila Mulligan: aloha Scathach
    Pila Mulligan: kind of laggy today it seems
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, is is:)
    Pila Mulligan: welcome back Myna
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Myna:)
    Pila Mulligan: I'm going to try loggin out and back in to see if it helps the lag
    Pila Mulligan: oops, there -- that was timely
    Pila Mulligan: maybe it is okay now
    Pila Mulligan: hi Pema
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Pila, Scathach, Myna!
    Pema Pera: It was nice to fly over here, for a change, rather than tp-ing
    Pema Pera: oh, Myna poofed?
    Pila Mulligan: that's the second time Myna has crahsed in the past few minutes
    Pema Pera: oh my(na)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pila Mulligan: it is laggy for me also
    Pila Mulligan: yes you flew down the chimney like Santa Claus, Pema
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: first time to do so!
    Scathach Rhiadra: nice landing though:)
    Pema Pera: I had some business to do in the area, and recognized the pavillon, so . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: isn't Santa's helper in the Nehterlands named Piet?
    Pema Pera: YES!
    Pema Pera: but he is black
    Pila Mulligan: hohoho
    Pila Mulligan: oh
    Pema Pera: zwarte piet
    Pila Mulligan: well, black is cool
    Pema Pera: black Pete
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: problem is, now some people think it is racist . . . .
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm
    Pema Pera: tradition of a few hundred years, but . . .
    Pila Mulligan: well, Jeez, how could you not be blkack going thru chimneys
    Pema Pera: white Santa Claus with black helper going through chimneys . . . racially black :-)
    Pema Pera: not very PC . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: obviously, Piet opens the door
    Pema Pera: no, descends and ascends through chimneys
    Pema Pera: no doors
    Pila Mulligan: but logic compels us to consider that perhaps Piet does the chimenys and Santa then enters thrugh the door, staying white as a reuslt
    Pila Mulligan: Pila at Play
    Pema Pera: well, logic doesn't play a large role in myths . . . .
    Pema Pera: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: true
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, yes, but we live in modern times and we must adapt
    Pila Mulligan: I'm about to beceom the scinetist here it seems
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: we are getting just the slightest hint of steam from the volcano today
    Pila Mulligan: it is actually a kind of refreshing thing -- like a hot srping
    Pila Mulligan: not a dense blast
    Pema Pera: no ash?
    Pila Mulligan: no, that only happens with new eruptions
    Pila Mulligan: the steam is a constant though
    Pila Mulligan: blowing south usually
    Pila Mulligan: and I am north
    Pema Pera: wb Myna!
    Pila Mulligan: but today the wiands are calm
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Myna:)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Myna
    Myna Maven: Big problems getting in.
    Pila Mulligan: looks like you made it this time
    Myna Maven: Looks like it may hold.
    Pila Mulligan: third time is charmed, they say
    Pema Pera: three strikes and you're in !
    Pila Mulligan: have you had the first theme meeting on karma and sin yet, Pema?
    Scathach Rhiadra: it starts next week I think Pila
    Pema Pera: no, that will be next week
    Pema Pera: today we decided, but didn't really start yet
    Pila Mulligan: it is aninteresting topic, wish it was not so early for me
    Pila Mulligan: 5 am
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: wow, yes
    Pila Mulligan: i usuually meditate at 4 am, so it is possible, but kind of early still
    Pema Pera: see what works!
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Pema Pera: Today this is my fourth PaB session
    Pema Pera: in case you wondered why I was relatively quiet :-)
    Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pila Mulligan: 24 hours of PaB :)
    Pema Pera: doesn't happen often!
    Pema Pera: just woke up early
    Pema Pera: for me 4 am 10 am 4 pm 10 pm
    Pila Mulligan: was early the 7am one?
    Pila Mulligan: I hope
    Pema Pera: no, the 1 am
    Pema Pera: for me 4 am
    Pila Mulligan: oh, that is early
    Pema Pera: in New York City
    Pila Mulligan: oy, I forgot, of course
    Pema Pera: Schathach and Myna, Pila and I have been scheming . . . . . . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh?
    Myna Maven: ?
    Pila Mulligan: Pema's going to break a topic I think
    Pema Pera: thinking about building a PaB retreat in RL . . . .
    Pema Pera: in Hawaii
    Pila Mulligan: break open
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: next door to Pila's
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, what a timely appaearance by Steve
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Steve
    Myna Maven: Hi Steve.
    Pema Pera: We're talking about our new PaB retreat in RL in Hawaii, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: never been to hawaii
    Pila Mulligan: and the need for architectural competence (this time)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, what DO you mean?
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: 20,000 sqm, or about 40 times the size of a 512 sqm plot :-)
    Pila Mulligan: I have a vacant lot next door to me, Steve
    Pema Pera: If you design it, Pila will build it
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: I previously talked with Steve about the pitfalls I encountered building my own hous ewithout competent architectural assiatnce
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods :)
    Pila Mulligan: Pema enviosions a retreat center there
    Pila Mulligan: it is an interesting idea
    Pema Pera: Do you want to unfold the vision Pila? Central kitchen, etc
    stevenaia Michinaga: would be a wonder project
    Pema Pera: we have had a few thousand lines of email exchanges this last week :-)
    Pila Mulligan: my first concern was the distance
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol, a defined architectural program is important
    Pila Mulligan: half a world away from Europe
    stevenaia Michinaga: distance from the volcano, for instance?
    Pila Mulligan: Scathach, would oyu consider a retreat in hawai`i or is it oo far?
    Pila Mulligan: 7 miles Steve
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, I think it is even farther than Australia
    Pila Mulligan: actually, Australia is closer going east
    Pila Mulligan: but we are closer if you go via a great circle or west
    Pema Pera: It all started exactly one week ago, in the morning session of PaB, March 7, 7 am SLT:
    Pema Pera: [7:46] Pema Pera: what would really be great is a kind of joined monastery, where Christian and Buddhist monks would practice for at least a few years, praying together and mediating together -- say for three years . . .and then ask them on a really personal-experience basis what they saw/felt/learned, the energy, the insights, . . . . [7:47] Geo Netizen raises his hand to volunteer [7:47] Pema Pera: well, Geo, PaB may grow into that, seriously . . . . . [7:56] Pema Pera: how about a PaB monastery? [7:57] Pema Pera: in RL?
    Pema Pera: [8:04] Pema Pera: I actually have been thinking that some day . . . . [8:04] Pema Pera: . . . . we might want to open a RL kind of community for PaB, years from now . . . . [8:04] Pema Pera: as an extention beyond, of course, any particular religion or order or humanism or science -- all ways of knowing [8:04] Geo Netizen nods [8:05] Pema Pera: the first step will be the August retreat [8:05] Pema Pera: everything starts with small steps . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: and whaere better than a rainforest?
    Pema Pera: with a scenic vulcano
    Pema Pera: and a scenic care talker :-)
    Pema Pera: car taker
    Pema Pera: care taker
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, there we have par tof the scheme -- a real caretaker (as opposed to neighbor Pila)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I've seen it in google earth, very nice
    Pema Pera: (not car talk)
    Pila Mulligan: did oyu do the Google view Pema
    Pema Pera: well, another small step, Pila :-)
    Pema Pera: yes, Pila
    Pila Mulligan: yes :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: very nice land Pila
    Scathach Rhiadra: and you really envisage 3-year retreats?
    Pema Pera: oh, 3 years was for the topic with Geo
    stevenaia Michinaga: what kind of forest is that around your house?
    Pema Pera: talking about monks getting together
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah
    Pema Pera: I was thinking more a few months to forever
    Pema Pera: I can imagine some of us wanting to settle there
    Pila Mulligan: paste these coordinates into a Google map search box: +19.483540 -155.148046
    Pila Mulligan: to see the land on thr Google view
    Pila Mulligan: it is an ohia rainforest Steve, but it has been invaded by an alien speices called strawberry guava
    Pema Pera: a 512 sqm plot would be only $2,500 for land cost . . . . but of course it is not that simple, as Pila will explain; we need room for roads and central facility and gardens
    Pila Mulligan: it was once pristine, it is now more jungle like
    Pila Mulligan: the building codes here seem to allow a central building with any (reaonable) number of surrounding bedrooms structures
    Pema Pera: Hi Ibrahim
    Myna Maven: Hello Ibrahim.
    Pema Pera: come join us if you like
    Pila Mulligan: just getting your feet wet?
    Pema Pera: born today, welcome!
    Myna Maven: This is a Play at Being meeting.
    Ibrahim Moonwall: how to set?
    Myna Maven: I can give you a notecard. Just a second.
    Pema Pera: right click on a cushion, choose "sit" from the pie diagram
    Pema Pera: put your cursor on a cushion
    Pema Pera: then right click
    Pema Pera: and choose "sit here"
    Pila Mulligan: close
    Pema Pera: yes, that's the idea
    Pema Pera: but better to sit on a cushion :)
    Myna Maven: Meetings are recorded, Ibrahim.
    Pila Mulligan: there :)
    Pema Pera: congratulations!
    Ibrahim Moonwall: thank you
    Pema Pera: how do you like exploring Second Life, so far?
    Ibrahim Moonwall: good
    Ibrahim Moonwall: but i don't know how to explore
    Pema Pera: what are you most interested in?
    Ibrahim Moonwall: but i am trying
    Pema Pera: what kind of activities or hobbies?
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i just came half an hour ago
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: wow, you found us fast!
    Ibrahim Moonwall: yes
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i was flying
    Pema Pera: We get together four times a day to talk about the nature of reality
    Ibrahim Moonwall: aha
    Pema Pera: but I don't know whether that is interesting for you
    Pema Pera: we are curious to know who we are, or what we are
    Pema Pera: what we really are
    Ibrahim Moonwall: aha
    Ibrahim Moonwall: good
    Pema Pera: so we try to look through all that we have, to see what we are
    Pema Pera: and share what we see
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i would like to join you
    Pila Mulligan: welcome
    Pema Pera: you can come here any time
    Ibrahim Moonwall: thank you
    Pema Pera: at 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm Second Life Time
    Pema Pera: it is now 7:36 SLT
    Pema Pera: pm that is
    Pema Pera: which country are you from?
    Ibrahim Moonwall: when do you finish?
    Pema Pera: we continue as long as we like
    Pema Pera: people come and go
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i am from saudi arabia
    Pema Pera: you are welcome to visit any time
    Pila Mulligan: ah
    Pema Pera: and leave any time
    Pema Pera: Oh, how interesting!
    Pema Pera: We have people from many different countries
    Ibrahim Moonwall: but i live now in the US
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: We sometimes talk about Rumi, one of my favorite Sufi poets
    Pema Pera: (but perhaps you call him by a different name)
    Pila Mulligan: and we should add Mulla Nasrudin :)
    Ibrahim Moonwall: I don't know that much about it
    Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasrudin
    Ibrahim Moonwall: Where are you from guys?
    Pema Pera: I'm from Holland
    Pila Mulligan: I'm in Hawai`i
    Myna Maven: Georgia.
    Scathach Rhiadra: Europe
    Ibrahim Moonwall: nice to meet you
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pennsyvania
    Pila Mulligan: Nasreddin sat on a river bank when someone shouted to him from the opposite side: - "Hey! how do I get to the other side?" - "You are on the other side!" Nasreddin shouted back.
    Pila Mulligan: a legendary satirical sufi figure who lived during the Middle Ages (around 13th century), in AkÅŸehir, and later in Konya, under the Seljuq rule.[4] Many nations of the Near, Middle East and Central Asia claim the Nasreddin as their own
    Pema Pera: are you interested in philosophy, Ibrahim, or perhaps science, or some other field of knowledge?
    Ibrahim Moonwall: no
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i am actully so ypoung
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i mean young
    Pema Pera: what do you study?
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i am 19 years old
    Pema Pera: not so very young :-)
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i study mechanical engeneering
    Pema Pera: ah, I am a physicist
    Pema Pera: astrophysicist to be precise
    Pema Pera: Hi Adelene!
    Pila Mulligan: hello Ade
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Adelene
    Myna Maven: Hello Adelene.
    Adelene Dawner: Hi! Sorry I'm late, I was helping Buddha out.
    Pema Pera: what a great line!!!
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pila Mulligan purrrs
    Pema Pera: Oops, I was helping God, couldn't do my homework!
    Adelene Dawner giggles.
    Pila Mulligan: buddha ate my homework, very nice
    Pema Pera: yes, was just thinking about that
    Pema Pera: Adelene, we were talking about starting a PaB retreat in RL in Hawaii, permanently
    Ibrahim Moonwall: Ok guys
    Ibrahim Moonwall: i have to go now
    Adelene Dawner: oo. :)
    Pema Pera: bye, Ibrahim, nice to meet you!
    Ibrahim Moonwall: what is that?
    Pila Mulligan: nice to mee tyou Ibrahim
    Adelene Dawner: 'night, Ib.
    Myna Maven: Bye Ibrahim.
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Ibrahim
    Pila Mulligan: hi buddha
    Ibrahim Moonwall: byeee
    Myna Maven: Hello Buddha.
    buddha Nirvana: hey
    Pema Pera: Hi Buddha!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello buddha
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Buddha
    buddha Nirvana: exuse me for a moment
    Pema Pera: well, I have to go, I'm afraid
    Pema Pera: sorry to leave a bit early
    Adelene Dawner: aw :)
    Pema Pera: but have a few chores, and then it's time to sleep, after 4 PaB sessions today :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye Pema -- congratulations on 4 in a day PaBs
    Pema Pera: I will probably dream about SL . . . .
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Myna Maven: Bye Pema.
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema, sleep well:)
    Pema Pera: the real record was a six hour session -- I was not part of that
    Pema Pera: were you, Adelene?
    Pema Pera: Last summer?
    Adelene Dawner: Yep. I was just telling Pila about that yesterday, actually.
    Pema Pera: hehe
    Pila Mulligan: soounds exhausting :)
    Pema Pera: I couldn't believe it, the one session ran into the other
    Adelene Dawner: Nope. I liked it. ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: a marathon
    Pema Pera: the chat log was on line, and it was actually interesting to read!
    Scathach Rhiadra: like a mini retreat
    Pema Pera: but took a few hours to read :(
    Adelene Dawner: hehe
    Pila Mulligan: yep, Scath
    Pema Pera: back in the days that I still had time to read all logs . . . .
    Pema Pera: well, see you all soon again!
    Pila Mulligan: aloha Pema
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: I wonder what bfn means
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye for now
    Adelene Dawner grins at the idea of going to Hawaii.
    Pila Mulligan: thanks
    Pila Mulligan: Pema sent an email a couple of weeks ago suggestng the idea
    stevenaia Michinaga: we need major underwriting for that I'm afraid
    Pila Mulligan: well, maybe not Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh?
    Pila Mulligan: it just so happens that i own a five acre lot next door to where my house is
    Pila Mulligan: vacant, but for jungle
    stevenaia Michinaga: we chartering a plane?
    Adelene Dawner: oo, camping. :)
    Pila Mulligan: :) there's the rub -- distance and travl
    Pila Mulligan: Pema wants structrues
    stevenaia Michinaga: camping in a rain forest
    Pila Mulligan: shared central kitchen/dining/living area with separate private sleeping/bathing quarters connected to it by walkways would probably work with county building regulations.
    stevenaia Michinaga: how big are the spiders, Pila?
    Pila Mulligan: tiny
    Adelene Dawner: How poisonous are they?
    Pila Mulligan: not, except for the brown recluse
    Pila Mulligan: and they are not around here
    Adelene Dawner: And how 'friendly' is your local wildlife?
    Pila Mulligan: some -- the feral pigs can be nasty, but we almsot have the property fenced
    Pila Mulligan: one side to go
    Adelene Dawner *knows* she's the designated remover of baby opossums from tents, always hgas been.
    Pila Mulligan: the volcano is the one to respect
    Pila Mulligan: it is quite interesting
    Pila Mulligan: and not particularly dangerous, but respectable
    Adelene Dawner nods
    Adelene Dawner: And now you have me thinking, Pila.
    Pila Mulligan: :) me too, thanks toPema
    Adelene Dawner: No, not about that. (Well, not just about that ^.^)
    Pila Mulligan: about what Ade?
    stevenaia Michinaga: how often do you need to sacrifice someone there?
    Myna Maven: A number of observatories, I see.
    Pila Mulligan: you're safe there Steve :)
    Adelene Dawner: Well, for all that I'm not fond of people and keep to myself... guess who was the one who always wound up dealing with rogue critters and escorting whoever was afraid of the dark or the spiders to the latrines, in girl scout camp? And, I'm wondering how that happened. 'Cause it did, every single year.
    Pila Mulligan: you seem to be ok with the reality of nature then :)
    Pila Mulligan: it can be intense sometimes int he rainforest, rain like a waterfall
    Adelene Dawner o.Os at Pila and peers from him to her paws. "That's a surprise?"
    stevenaia Michinaga: I know an architect in Hawaii (who lives on a catamerand who can help with the local regs
    Pila Mulligan: cool
    Pila Mulligan: lots of people here ignore the permits, and juts build, but I'd at least start with permitted sturctures
    Pila Mulligan: especially for this type of thig
    stevenaia Michinaga: well, there are sually reason for some regs
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Adelene Dawner: May I demand a fire pit? ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: of course
    Adelene Dawner: :D
    Pila Mulligan: an imu, they are called here
    Adelene Dawner: cool :)
    Adelene Dawner: I'll have to brush up on my campfire cooking. It's been a while. I'm sure I can still build a fire, though.
    Pila Mulligan: "The central feature of the luau is the imu, an underground oven (a shallow pit lined with stones)."
    Pila Mulligan: the thing that is important to me, and it may sound less modest than it is, is to keep the idea in harmony with the Hawaiian culture
    Pila Mulligan: there are so many things that have happened here that treat the place as if it is Disneyland
    Pila Mulligan: it is a really beautiful culutre and I am happy to see things blend with it
    Adelene Dawner hmms
    Pila Mulligan: it is like this forest
    Pila Mulligan: you can still see vast areas of it that are poristine
    Adelene Dawner: For myself, that's hard - I'm not good at 'culture' in general - but I'll follow whatever lead you set, Pila. :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: it is easy
    Pila Mulligan: aloha is the essenc eo fit
    Pila Mulligan: if we are interested in the reality of nature, the Hawaiin culutre has been doing it for millenia
    Scathach Rhiadra: I had better say good night , it is late here, see you all soon:)
    Adelene Dawner: 'night, Sca
    Pila Mulligan: bye Scathach
    Myna Maven: Bye Scath.
    Adelene Dawner: For the log: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha
    Myna Maven: I am tired. I will be going along.
    Pila Mulligan: bye Myna
    stevenaia Michinaga: well, perhaps we should beging a new wiki page.. Elements of a PaB Retreat/Monestary so an architectural program can develope
    Adelene Dawner: :D
    Adelene Dawner: 'night, Myn
    Pila Mulligan: here's acomplement to your web link, Ade -- http://www.edithkanakaolefoundation.org/ -- for the log
    stevenaia Michinaga: more of a nod than a night Myna
    Adelene Dawner hmmmmms again...
    Pila Mulligan: actually, Steve, probably themost difficult part of cuilding her eis clearing the areas for building and putting in a driveway
    Pila Mulligan: building*
    Myna Maven: I crashed before I could get the log.
    Myna Maven: Hope that won't interfere with my getting it?
    Pila Mulligan: did you claim it
    stevenaia Michinaga: dificult in an enviornmental way, or very hard trees to cut down?
    Pila Mulligan: both, Steve
    Adelene Dawner: Myna - you'll get it when we leave, and I'll stop the recorder so I get it too, to be safe, ok?
    stevenaia Michinaga: :) well better cut down as few as possible,
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you need a forest mgt plan?
    Pila Mulligan: no, but you can make on if you like and get some benfits from doing so
    Pila Mulligan: financial support and stuff
    Pila Mulligan: from the US Soil guys
    Myna Maven: I've not had the chat logs mailed to me. Where do I set a preference for that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: the appear after everyone leaves and show up when you log in next time
    Adelene Dawner: It's IM'd, you'd have to set your account up so your IMs are emailed,
    Myna Maven: OK, thanks Steve.
    stevenaia Michinaga: you get a link to a web page
    Myna Maven: Thanks, Ade. Bye.
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Pila Mulligan: here's a retreat center that did it full tilt -- http://kalani.com/
    Pila Mulligan: not far from my place
    Pila Mulligan: but this would be the mega-bucks approch
    Pila Mulligan: Pema's idea seems more modest, mininal habitations
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, yes, simple
    Pila Mulligan: I got this land in 2004, a 21 acre parcel, and subdivided it into four 5 acre lots
    Pila Mulligan: the fmaily that was on board to get the lot that is onw vacant backe dout when they got an offer to work as caretakers for a retreat center in New Mexico :)
    Pila Mulligan: the other two lots are owned by freind
    Pila Mulligan: s*
    Pila Mulligan: itis kind of a cooperative community
    Pila Mulligan: shared utility poles and driveway
    stevenaia Michinaga: I saw that
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds interesting
    Pila Mulligan: I'd sell it Pema or kira or whatever for just a we bit over my actual costs
    Pila Mulligan: wee*
    Pila Mulligan: under $100k for five acres in Hawaii is agood deal
    stevenaia Michinaga: then you ahve to build :)
    Pila Mulligan: yes, that's the hard part
    Pila Mulligan: and you have to prepare the land for building, the harder part :)
    Pila Mulligan: we would up using a excavator
    Pila Mulligan: it is the best mix of sensitivty and effect
    Pila Mulligan: the guy uses a bucket with a thumb and grabs the junk trees and pulls them out
    Pila Mulligan: leaving the good trees in place
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Pila Mulligan: then we found aguy with a giant rolling woodchipper
    Pila Mulligan: he turned the junk trees into chips -- just ran over them
    Pila Mulligan: we needed to use heavy road fabric under the gravel dirveway, to keep the mud from coming up
    Pila Mulligan: but it has been very stable -- supports cement rrucks and all
    Pila Mulligan: the code still allows cess pools here, and we use rain water cathcment, so that part is not too bad, once you get the building site ready
    stevenaia Michinaga: yukky
    Pila Mulligan: and we have the utility poles on the shared main driveway already
    Pila Mulligan: yes, cess pools can be yukky, but they work well her
    Pila Mulligan: here*
    Pila Mulligan: they dig down to the porous lava and it just disapears
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, IM delue I must go
    Pila Mulligan: ok, nice to see you Steve
    Pila Mulligan: food for thought in today's ideas :)
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm :)
    Adelene Dawner: And I have a theory now about the taking the other kids to the latrines thing.
    Pila Mulligan: ... ?
    Adelene Dawner: hold on, now I'm getting im'd.
    Pila Mulligan: what it the theory Ade?
    Pila Mulligan: ok
    Adelene Dawner: As mentioned, I'm not big on people... there are exceptions, PaB is full of exceptions to that rule, but it's still often true. But, perhaps even *because* of that, I don't think any worse of people for showing weakness - I just don't care that much, in most cases. And that shows.
    Pila Mulligan: and so helping people to the latrine was just an ordinary act of courtesy
    Adelene Dawner: Yep.
    Pila Mulligan: one they no doubt appreciated :)
    Adelene Dawner: My question was more - why did they always ask *me*?
    Pila Mulligan: because you would do it :)
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm :)
    Pila Mulligan: nature itself frightens some people
    Pila Mulligan: especially in the dark :)
    Adelene Dawner: And I don't rattle easily, so I'm an obvious choice for wrangling opossums... skunks... bats... frogs...
    Pila Mulligan: just don't mess with the larger pigs :)
    Pila Mulligan: the little ones are okay
    Adelene Dawner: hehe
    Adelene Dawner: I read animal body language like most people read human body language. I think the pigs and I will get on fine.
    Pila Mulligan: we don't have many ground critteres here
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: not even squirrels
    Adelene Dawner: aw :)
    Pila Mulligan: lots of unique birds
    Pila Mulligan: and unique plants
    Pila Mulligan: but few groound critters
    Pila Mulligan: probaly because they could ont swim 200 miles to get here
    Pila Mulligan: 2000*
    Adelene Dawner: I'll be at a disadvantage, then - I don't speak Bird, in any dialect.
    Pila Mulligan: do you speak plant?
    Adelene Dawner: Not very well ;)
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, always time for learning :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: the forest ferm trees are very communicative
    Pila Mulligan: fern*
    Adelene Dawner: cool :)
    Pila Mulligan: the ohia trees are the first to grow on fresh lave
    Pila Mulligan: they are the pioneers of the plant life
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: lava*
    Pila Mulligan: they also act as hosts for othe rplants that grown in them
    Adelene Dawner: Corvi speaks Plant reasonably well. I'll have to drag her along to translate. Though she may only speak the local dialect; not sure ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: very cool
    Pila Mulligan: on their branches and trunks
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: and you both can probably learn bird easily
    Pila Mulligan: birds are prteey straightforward
    Adelene Dawner: I've tried. It just doesn't parse. Many birds speak a little Primate, which helps, but if they stop broadcasting that? I'm useless.
    Pila Mulligan: a mason came here today to make a landing for the shipping continer where I was living before the house was done -- so we can add a porh there
    Pila Mulligan: like a sportscast
    Pila Mulligan: this bird sat on a fence and gave a running coomentary no the work for about half an hour
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    Pila Mulligan: "they are mixing the cement and now moving toweard the forms, the big guy is emptying the wheel barrow ..."
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Pila Mulligan: do you think it would work, or is the distance factor too much?
    Adelene Dawner: In general? Dunno. But *I* have been wanting to come visit, retreat or no. ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: there have been directflights here from some European airports, don't know if they still do it though
    Adelene Dawner: Wow.
    Pila Mulligan: it is exactly half a world from England
    Adelene Dawner nods.
    Pila Mulligan: or Belgium
    Pila Mulligan: somewhere around there
    Adelene Dawner: Belgium and England are the same time zone, I think.
    Adelene Dawner: Belgium's pretty close to directly south of there, and it's a wee little country.
    Pila Mulligan: at first I told Pema my own plan to make campsites on this lot for visitors
    Pila Mulligan: but he is more interested in enclosed structures with bathrooms
    Pila Mulligan: and that makes sense
    Adelene Dawner: You don't even have to tell me the rest of this story, Pila. For someone who espouses Wu Wei, Pema does push ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: with a central place for gathering, cooking, etc
    Pila Mulligan: :0
    Pila Mulligan: it's his enthusiasm :)
    Pila Mulligan: infectuous
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: or is it infectious?
    Adelene Dawner: something :)
    Pila Mulligan: so would you want to be a resident caretaker?
    Adelene Dawner: I don't think you have a good enough internet connection for that. ^.-
    Pila Mulligan: :) true
    Pila Mulligan: not yet anyway
    Adelene Dawner: Even if I was anything other than hopeless at the physical labor part of that.
    Pila Mulligan: wow, how oculd PaB get a caretaker without real boradband :)
    Adelene Dawner: (I assume ther is some?)
    Pila Mulligan: there is, no doubt
    Pila Mulligan: mow the grass, take the trash to the dump
    Adelene Dawner: hm.
    Adelene Dawner: If that's as bad as it gets...
    Pila Mulligan: after the building part gets done it wold be just like an ordinary residence
    Pila Mulligan: maybe a few more rooms to clean
    Adelene Dawner: Ah. Cleaning. You don't want someone with executive dysfunction issues then.
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Adelene Dawner: Although...
    Adelene Dawner: hm.
    Adelene Dawner: My thing is, any place *I* use regularly, 'later' is the unavoidable name of the game. But cleaning up after a retreat or something? Different rules.
    Pila Mulligan: could be
    Adelene Dawner: Known functional habit.
    Pila Mulligan: actually, hiring help to clean up could be part of the retreat budget
    Adelene Dawner: Not sure I'd want to rely on it... but it's likely enough to work that it's not hopeless.
    Adelene Dawner: And I'm probably one of the few PaBers who's that flexible right now.
    Pila Mulligan: Pema seemed to thnk there might actually be quite a few interested in living there, part time at least
    Adelene Dawner: Okay :)
    Pila Mulligan: between retreats
    Pila Mulligan: I have no idea, actualy, to me the distance is the most concern
    Adelene Dawner nods.
    Pila Mulligan: in a sense, a rotating or shared set of caretakers might work ok
    Pila Mulligan: kind of like Guardian on Site :)
    Pila Mulligan: but the boradband issue is also actual, as you noted
    Adelene Dawner: I'm a little nervous about flying at this point. I hear it's gotten pretty brutal, and I'm not sure if I pass for NT quite well enough for it to be completely safe. Taking a boat might be the better option, for all that it'll take 15 times as long.
    Pila Mulligan: since most of the people would ant it
    Pila Mulligan: yes, boats are easier to ge tonto probably
    Pila Mulligan: a freind was just telling me earlier abot the hasle fo going thru the airport
    Adelene Dawner nods.
    Adelene Dawner: That NT habit of not making eye contact when you're hiding something *really* makes my life difficult sometimes ^.-
    Pila Mulligan: my freind was annoyed my the indifference of the security people to the fact that he did not have his reading glkasses and they wanted him to fill out a form
    Adelene Dawner: >.<
    Pila Mulligan: well, Ade, it is about dinner time ...
    Pila Mulligan: it will be interesting to see where the PAB retreat site idea leads
    Adelene Dawner: ok, enjoy :) and yes, interesting :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: aloha
    Adelene Dawner: aloha ^.^
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