2009.03.16 07:00 - Cleaning the Garage

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    Genesis Zhangsun was the guardian and Adams Rubble added a few comments

    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    buddha Nirvana: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Adams :) Buddha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Just popping in for a few minutes.. Oh! Look at you buddha!
    Adams Rubble: Nice new look buddha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: OOO! ::Scratches behind ears:::
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Fantastic

    Corvi joined the group

    Adams Rubble: I tried on a bunch of animal avatars that I found in my inventory yesterday but they were pretty awful. This one is really nice
    Adams Rubble: Hello Corvi :)
    Eliza Madrigal: absolutely...have been looking around at animal AVs but not the "right one" yet
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Heya, Adams!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Corvi
    Eliza Madrigal: Suits you buddha :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Buddha, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble offers buddha a doggie treat for all the tricks

    buddha decides to get in some exercise and runs off across the field

    Adams Rubble: whoa. I guess it was a bad treat
    Eliza Madrigal: Hha....think he's organic only
    Adams Rubble: ahhhh
    Adams Rubble: I should have thought of that
    Adams Rubble: of course
    Adams Rubble: Are you GOC Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: No, I've not taken on a slot yet...have to be somewhere soon today also
    Adams Rubble: Ah it's Gen, she's on her way

    Genesis arrives

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Gen!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Hi genesis
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Gen :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Morning all!
    genesis Zhangsun: Sorry I am late
    Adams Rubble: That's OK, we haven't really started yet
    genesis Zhangsun: oh good :)
    Adams Rubble: We were admiring buddha
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Can't stop smiling at you buddha
    genesis Zhangsun: yes buddha is very cute :)
    buddha Nirvana: ^.^
    Adams Rubble: Without pictures, a reader of the log is going to be thinking we all are very good Buddhists except for the doggie treat part
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: :::OM:::
    Adams Rubble: Buddha groupies
    Eliza Madrigal: works for me
    Corvuscorva Nightfire snorts.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and watches the sleeping dog lie.
    Eliza Madrigal: exhausted from dancing
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: OH, Gen! I love YOUR new look, too!
    genesis Zhangsun: ty Corvi~
    genesis Zhangsun: birthday treat, today is my birthday :)
    Adams Rubble: Oh happy Birthday Gen :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Birthday!!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Happy BIRTHDAY!
    genesis Zhangsun: ty :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Yay!
    Eliza Madrigal: Fun week to have a birthday in...pi day, St patricks
    buddha leaps at their target and slobbers all over them...
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    genesis Zhangsun: hehe :) ty for the birthday mauling :)
    genesis Zhangsun: how sweet
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice sharing a little company this morning, but time to go. :) Thanks
    MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: buddha Nirvana (18m)
    Adams Rubble: bye Eliza :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Enjoy your birthday genesis :) Bye Adams, Corvi
    buddha Nirvana: By e eliza:)
    Eliza Madrigal: buddha wherever you are haha
    Eliza Madrigal is Offline
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Soleil8 Andel is Online
    genesis Zhangsun: so anyone have any topics for discussion?
    Adams Rubble: I may be going through some personal turmoil not sure it is a topic of discussion
    Adams Rubble: Seeing "presence" in the "context of timelessness" has been a key for me
    Adams Rubble: and part of me is reacting rather strongly to that
    Adams Rubble: Not sure that can help anyone else except to note it
    Adams Rubble: especially on your brothday :)
    Adams Rubble: bnirthday
    Adams Rubble: birthday
    Adams Rubble: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: could you say more Adams about presence and timelessness
    Adams Rubble: It was something Stim said in the dialogue on March2
    Adams Rubble: When I told him about it he didn;t seem to think it was something that would resonate with most people
    Adams Rubble: for me it was important
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Adams Rubble: it was the missing peace when I thought about APAPB
    Adams Rubble: I just could not get relate my own experiences to Being
    Adams Rubble: but it showed me I was looking on the wrong level
    Adams Rubble: I think that may relate to the relative/absolute levels
    genesis Zhangsun: ah!
    genesis Zhangsun: I have also struggled with this myself
    Adams Rubble: So when I think about APAPB and hten put into the context of timelessness...
    Adams Rubble: it shoots me right into that level
    genesis Zhangsun: please explain this is wonderful Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: I can relate all the stuff all my selves are doing to all human beings who ever lived and ever will live
    Adams Rubble: so I immediately stop worrying about all the self stuff
    Adams Rubble: they just lift right off my shoulders
    Adams Rubble: In December Pema was able to talk me into doing that
    Adams Rubble: but I could never do it myself
    Adams Rubble: until I received this wonderful key
    Adams Rubble: But I now have had two frightful dreams
    Moon Fargis is Online
    Adams Rubble: last night I was up for the 1 am session
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: change dreas.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: dreams.
    Adams Rubble: yes, the first one was ambuguous
    Adams Rubble: last night's dream was much clearer
    Adams Rubble: lots of killing going on
    Adams Rubble: so that is the turmoil
    Adams Rubble: but I think it is different from what I went through last fall
    Adams Rubble: because of the little key I was missing then
    Adams Rubble: I have written much of this down in my blog
    genesis Zhangsun: anyhow nice for you to repeat here for discussion thanks
    Adams Rubble: It always help to try to put it into words I think :)
    genesis Zhangsun: so can you explain how this unlocked it for you?
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Adams Rubble: I think if we go back to the relative/absolute level thing just because it is part of our common vocabulary
    Adams Rubble: It is simply that I was doing APAPB on the relative level
    Adams Rubble: and so much of what I saw and heard was being done filtered through my selves/identities
    Adams Rubble: by putting presence into the context of timelessness
    Adams Rubble: it helps me to see it on the absolute level
    Adams Rubble: the "eternal"
    Adams Rubble: as Pema said yesterday Being's level
    Adams Rubble: or as I was thinking at the same time God's level
    Adams Rubble: so it is no longer about me
    Adams Rubble: me meaning my selves/identities
    genesis Zhangsun: so what are you now from the absolute persective?
    Adams Rubble: I don;t know if that maters to me at this point
    Adams Rubble: matters
    genesis Zhangsun: well you still have to live with you :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: how does your new understanding open up the way you relate to the world
    genesis Zhangsun: how does your absolute perspective relate to the relative
    Adams Rubble: Whatever is there is much easier to get along with
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Dan Yapungku is Online
    Adams Rubble: I am new in understanding the absoluet/relative terms
    Adams Rubble: I used them this morning because they were common vocabulary
    MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Moon Fargis (11m)
    Adams Rubble: but let me put it in more practical terms
    Adams Rubble: Hello Moon :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Moon!
    Adams Rubble: I feel much more peaceful and the burden is lifted off my shoulders
    Adams Rubble: I can feel that physically
    Moon Fargis: hiya ^^/
    Adams Rubble: that's the best I can put into words
    Dan Yapungku is Offline
    genesis Zhangsun: so through your new understanding from Being's level/timelessness you have been able to drop your selves
    genesis Zhangsun: entireley?
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, the new thing for me is the ability to drop my selves.identities when I want rather than it being just arbitrary
    Adams Rubble: happening to me that is
    Adams Rubble: whether it is entirely, I don;t know yet
    Adams Rubble: I expect i will find out i am not
    Adams Rubble: I can take them much more lightly
    Adams Rubble: so they are not such a heavy burden
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    genesis Zhangsun: do you recognize when the selves assert themselves and then before feeling limited by them you are able to drop them>
    genesis Zhangsun: what does the process feel like?
    Adams Rubble: Well, yesterday I began to feel I was loosing everything...I did not immediately think "Oh there go my selves again"
    Adams Rubble: The process simply is that at one point I feel all in turmoil
    Adams Rubble: and then I feel a kind of peace
    Adams Rubble: that part is physical
    genesis Zhangsun: peace as in stopping/timelessness?
    Adams Rubble: peace as the burden being lifted off my shoulders
    Adams Rubble: the timelessness is the key...the way i am able to open the door
    Adams Rubble: yes, the timelessness is on the other side of the door
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs as the meadow forms around them
    Moon Fargis: hmms, i wonder where i put the playasbeing meadow
    Adams Rubble: hehe. a bit like that...one minute I am sitting in the dark and suddenly I am sitting in a field of flowers
    genesis Zhangsun: wow
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Moon wears such lovely clothes...like this field.
    Adams Rubble: Now I have to say something
    Adams Rubble: This is the first day of my scribe duty
    Adams Rubble: and I have been to two sessions
    Adams Rubble: and dominated them by talking about myself
    Adams Rubble: either I have to glue my keyboard shut
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Adams Rubble: or someone will have to give some kind of tidbit I can scribe about
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble pours glue on the keyboard
    genesis Zhangsun: oh crap the scribing
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    genesis Zhangsun: my turn must have passed
    genesis Zhangsun: I have 10,11,12?
    genesis Zhangsun: what days are yours Adams?
    Adams Rubble: 16, 17, 18
    genesis Zhangsun: oh yeah way behind
    Adams Rubble: Almist everyone is
    genesis Zhangsun: man I better get scribing too
    genesis Zhangsun: this is really interesting though Adams
    genesis Zhangsun: I am still trying to understand the connection
    genesis Zhangsun: for me APAPB is about Being's perspective
    genesis Zhangsun: it always has been but I am not sure whetehr I really get it on the experiential level
    genesis Zhangsun: It definitely breaks up my notions on time, as I ordinarily relate to it
    Adams Rubble: I have had trouble grasping what Being is
    Adams Rubble: Maybe this is my first glimpse
    genesis Zhangsun: yes because Being can't be grasped at :)
    genesis Zhangsun: for all of us that is hard
    Adams Rubble: yes, for me i am almost falling into it except it feels like shooting into it
    Adams Rubble: almost like a "whoooosh!"
    genesis Zhangsun: shooting into a non conceptual sense of Being
    genesis Zhangsun: going beyond concepts?
    Adams Rubble: yes, I am not all that good with the conceptual part
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ha
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: this is not true.
    genesis Zhangsun: it is all conceptual :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: you're great with the concepts
    Adams Rubble: I feel it
    genesis Zhangsun: mostly 98% I think
    Adams Rubble: sense it
    genesis Zhangsun: yes
    genesis Zhangsun: that is important
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that's better, I think than getting the concepts.
    genesis Zhangsun: it stops being a story that you tell yourself
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Adams Rubble: yes, one when believes all the stories.....geeeez
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the stories..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: are for walking around
    genesis Zhangsun: ?
    Adams Rubble: Is the ? for me or Corvi?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we tell ourselves stories to remember how to move from moment to moment
    genesis Zhangsun: both?
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but it's important to know that they are just stories so that we can tell ourselves new ones as they become relevant.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so we can know there is another point of view.
    genesis Zhangsun: or to stop telling yourself stories entirely
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: beyond stories.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..snap.
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I think beyond stories
    Adams Rubble: actually I started a new story last night :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: but seriously,
    Adams Rubble: we have all these voices we have collected over the years telling us to do this and that
    Adams Rubble: it just gets way out of hand
    Adams Rubble: for me they fight with each other
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..its useful as starting places, tool gathering.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but it easily becomes a junky closet or garage.
    Adams Rubble thinks about the selves vs. the mess in the garage
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, grinning.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: boxes and boxes of junk.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and loose stuff, too.
    Adams Rubble: and mice
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oooOOooo yeah, mice, too.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: you've been clearing out the garage
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and..
    Adams Rubble: That's a good analogy Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: noticing that they are all tools, and not essential bits.
    Adams Rubble: There's is a door in the garage out to the meadow
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Adams Rubble: We don't have to clean the garage
    Adams Rubble: just walk through the door
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oooOOOOoooo
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and thinks.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but when i get back to the house, i'm cleaning the garage.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods firmly.
    Adams Rubble: The problem is when we get bogged down in trying to clean it up
    Adams Rubble: It is a heavy burden
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: still...it will be nice to know the meadow and the wider view.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm all off you and your garage and onto mine, now Adams.
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire snorts.
    Adams Rubble: hehe Corvi :)
    genesis Zhangsun: yes that is important a remembrance of completelnesss all the way through the process of self deconstruction/seeing
    Adams Rubble squeezes Corvi's hand
    Soleil8 Andel is Online
    genesis Zhangsun: there is really nothing to change :)
    genesis Zhangsun: bye Corvi!
    genesis Zhangsun: Adams? So who is left? Are you being? Is there still Adams?
    Adams Rubble: Oh my
    genesis Zhangsun: irrelevant?
    Adams Rubble: I am just enjoying the meadow and not worrying about any of that
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Adams Rubble: Maybe that is for another day
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or maybe not.
    Moon Fargis whispers a spell "let it gorw"
    Moon Fargis: Grow
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I know there is a me beyond my selves
    Soleil8 Andel is Offline
    Corvuscorva Nightfire considers.
    Adams Rubble: Nisargadatta called it the part that was there at borth and will be there at detah
    Adams Rubble: death
    Adams Rubble: birth
    Adams Rubble: the I AM
    Moon Fargis: ah you mean you as awareness
    Moon Fargis: as being
    Adams Rubble: that sounds like it is right Moon
    Soleil8 Andel is Online
    PaB Listener Master whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.
    Adams Rubble: Maybe I am getting the hang of it a little :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I must go!
    genesis Zhangsun: Nice to chat with all of you
    Moon Fargis: aw ok see you later gen
    Adams Rubble: Bye Gen. You are GOC?
    genesis Zhangsun: yes
    Adams Rubble: Nice to chat with you too Gen :)
    Adams Rubble: and have a Happy Birthday day
    Moon Fargis: ohh gen has birthday?
    genesis Zhangsun is Offline
    Adams Rubble: yes

    Gen returns

    Adams Rubble: wb Gen
    Moon Fargis: happy birthday!!:)
    PaB Listener Master: genesis Zhangsun has just claimed the session and will receive link to the log after the session is done. This replaces any previous claim.
    Adams Rubble: are you left clicking gen?
    genesis Zhangsun: got it!
    Adams Rubble: ah, sorry
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks
    Adams Rubble: yay!
    genesis Zhangsun: bye!
    Korii Tiger is Offline
    Adams Rubble: bye :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, happy birthday!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ook I gotta go to work
    genesis Zhangsun is Offline
    Adams Rubble: me too :)
    Korii Tiger is Online
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Moon Fargis: aws
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: See you all soon.
    Adams Rubble: Hope everyone has a good day
    Moon Fargis puts some flowers in boths bags
    Adams Rubble: bye Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins
    Adams Rubble: thanks Moon
    Adams Rubble: Any day left there Moon?
    Moon Fargis: ^^ have fun and see you soon ^^/
    Moon Fargis: here?
    Moon Fargis: a bit
    Adams Rubble: yes, you too :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
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