2009.03.17 07:00 - Time Re-Lived

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Pilgram, please tell me about memories.  Is it just a recording of the past?  Is it true/false? 
    When I re-visit the past, am I 'just' walking through memory or ...  ?
    I wonder.
    And we wander.

    "Novice Adams Rubble" and I had one of the nicest mornings together.

    Adams Rubble: Hi Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: good morning adams
    Riddle Sideways: ah you have added 'novice' to your title
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it reminds me to be open as a child to new ways of thinking

    DearReader, what is your talisman?  We all come back to PaB for the new ways of thinking.  What in your daily life do you see, hear, smell, sence that reminds you to be open ... ?

    Riddle Sideways: is one of the best first steps
    Adams Rubble: I did that last June and over most of the summer but lost the ability to do it in the fall
    Adams Rubble: Since late December I have been able to do it again
    Riddle Sideways wonders what is seasonal about it
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: That is only an "appearance"
    Adams Rubble thinks "user error" would better describe it
    Riddle Sideways: will it is very much like planting crops / seeds
    Adams Rubble: yes it is
    Riddle Sideways: that reaping what you sow
    Adams Rubble: very much so

    The seasons they change, then repeat. The cycles keep turning, then repeat.  We are... and then are not...  and then are again... "As it has always been".

    Riddle Sideways: I miss gardening
    Riddle Sideways: use to be a farmer
    Adams Rubble: I have never been a very good gardner
    Adams Rubble: Ah, neat
    Adams Rubble: My grandfather had a farm so we visited it as kids
    Riddle Sideways: back in those back-to-the-earth days
    Riddle Sideways: had a little homestead
    Adams Rubble: that is neat
    Riddle Sideways: 40 acres
    Riddle Sideways: goats, potatoes, horse-drawn equiptment
    Adams Rubble: wow, horse-drawn :)
    Riddle Sideways: horse power is sooooo
    Riddle Sideways: more then awe-some
    Adams Rubble: :)


    Riddle Sideways: there is a super respect
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: although I still go gah-gah when I see a John Deere tractor
    Riddle Sideways: went to the woods, cut down a tree
    Riddle Sideways: hook a horse by chain to the tree
    Riddle Sideways: say go
    Riddle Sideways: it takes it's best path to the road
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: That is a wonderful experience to have had
    Adams Rubble: I still have so much imagery from my days on the farm

    Wish upon the will...
    Wishing there were some way to do the Spock mind-mend through SL.
    Wishing Adams and I could have exchanged each others exceltations ...
    Wishing you could read the mind-meld that we just (and will) write here.
    Thar be experiences here.
    just mere words on the tube,but grasshopper look under them and see/hear/sense/know a deeper level.
    Adams pours out heart hear so here it...

    Riddle Sideways: I am forgetting what the sci-fi authors name is
    Adams Rubble: I draw from it constantly
    Riddle Sideways: that wrote character Lasurius Long
    Riddle Sideways: speeling problem
    Riddle Sideways: heinlein maybe


    Adams Rubble wouldn;t know anyway unfortunately but waiting to hear what Riddle has to tell
    Riddle Sideways: Lassirious was a great vehicle for quotes
    Riddle Sideways: I can't quote it exactly
    Riddle Sideways: had a list of what a complete man needed to do in his life
    Riddle Sideways: program a computer, birth a baby, grow a meal
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: there were about 8 items
    Adams Rubble: the modern renaissance man?
    Riddle Sideways: yep


    Riddle Sideways: good thing I am guardian
    Adams Rubble: I must say Riddle, you are full of surprises about all you have done :)
    Riddle Sideways: I will edit all this
    Adams Rubble: hehe

    will edit this more tommorrow...
    RL only gives me moments per task.

    Riddle Sideways: is why I don't write my bio
    Riddle Sideways: sometimes sounds like forest gump
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Riddle Sideways: biggest memory = I was at woodstock
    Adams Rubble: there was an accidental quality to Forest Gump's experiences..he never really knew he was having them in a sense
    Riddle Sideways: biggest disappointment = don't remember anything of saturday at woodstock
    Adams Rubble: I was almost in a trendous 50 car accident near Woodstock during that time
    Adams Rubble: I remember that vividly
    Riddle Sideways: wow
    Adams Rubble: Fortunately there was room for the cars to go off each side of the highway
    Adams Rubble: when the dust cleared...
    Adams Rubble: there were cars everywhere
    Adams Rubble: and I stopped about a half inch behind the car in front of me
    Adams Rubble: there ahd been a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic
    Adams Rubble: he too was in the middle medium strip with his bike on the side
    Adams Rubble: there seemed to be a long pause when no one moved
    Adams Rubble: then slowly it began to move and all the cars slowly got back on the road\
    Adams Rubble: after that everyone drobe much more sanely
    Adams Rubble: drove
    Riddle Sideways: I need to search the PaB logs to see how many records about car accidents exist
    Riddle Sideways: it is a short moment in ones life
    Riddle Sideways: that sticks
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: time is strecthedout
    Adams Rubble: That is one of two in which I was very lucky
    Adams Rubble: That was before i had seat belts too
    Adams Rubble: I have to go
    Riddle Sideways: I have also been in accidents too
    Riddle Sideways: very lucky in them too
    Riddle Sideways: Oops... Adam poofed ... gone
    Riddle Sideways: oh well, we never know what happen-stance will bring
    Riddle Sideways: ...
    Riddle Sideways: ah, Adams returns
    Adams Rubble: yes, sorry that was so rude..but necessary
    Riddle Sideways: RL happens
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: analogy noted
    Riddle Sideways: is becoming one of favorite sayings
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: but.... we were almost getting somewheres
    Riddle Sideways: with the car accident subject
    Adams Rubble: yes, I broke up the flow
    Adams Rubble: and time strecthed out for you
    Adams Rubble: went fast for me
    Riddle Sideways: had time to do a little searching in wiki
    Adams Rubble: oh?
    Riddle Sideways: please remind me... does wiki contain the old blog entries too?
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Riddle Sideways: well search is not very detailed in wiki
    Riddle Sideways: and was wondering if it had all the stuff
    Riddle Sideways: it showed 25 hits on accident
    Adams Rubble: wow
    Riddle Sideways: but maybe 25 is max it will show
    Riddle Sideways: so many people have memories of accident time
    Adams Rubble: We need to get more shared knowledge to work on the searching...I haven't had time to paly with it too much
    Riddle Sideways: things happening so fast
    Riddle Sideways: I have not either
    Riddle Sideways: then we play the scene back repeatedly
    Riddle Sideways: and see things that happened automagically
    Riddle Sideways: that we think we didn't know then
    Riddle Sideways: is a big wide open subject that many can relate to
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: in the PPF chats we are stumbling on the memory vs past area
    Riddle Sideways: when we 're-play' the scenes of the accident
    Riddle Sideways: are we re-living it
    Riddle Sideways: are we only remembering it
    Adams Rubble: I think a bit of each
    Riddle Sideways: are we going through it NOW as if then
    Adams Rubble: In my case, I can see much of it vividly
    Adams Rubble: and feel some of the emotion
    Adams Rubble: but I am not shaking
    Adams Rubble: Ooooooh there's a third one that I might be shaking if i told it
    Riddle Sideways: that happens
    Adams Rubble: Interesting because that is one in which I did not do anything wrong
    Riddle Sideways: which is right then
    Adams Rubble: Thinking of all these accidents makes your horse experience look mighty good
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Riddle Sideways: but there were accidents there too
    Adams Rubble: Although in reading through old newspapers doing some geneology I came across serious horse accidents
    Adams Rubble: oh, both at the same time :)
    Adams Rubble: yes!
    Riddle Sideways: image of my asking horse to go/do something
    Riddle Sideways: and having her swing her big head around and give me SUCH a look
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: imagine if your car, computer, phone, etc. any of todays tech
    Riddle Sideways: could just give you a look
    Adams Rubble always wondered what horse had to say to each other when all the humans were out of the barn
    Adams Rubble: horses
    Riddle Sideways: I think we know what they say about us
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: well, back to a time streaching subject
    Riddle Sideways: I have had problems relating how I do time tothis group
    Riddle Sideways: since it is based on an art that is hard/long to describe
    Riddle Sideways: not many would/could relate
    Riddle Sideways: took me years
    Riddle Sideways: but, I can experience what others most times do in an auto accident
    Riddle Sideways: that calm
    Riddle Sideways: of just having to DO
    Riddle Sideways: the auto-setting of priorities
    Riddle Sideways: and only doing the most important
    Riddle Sideways: as if automagically
    Riddle Sideways: no thoughtt
    Riddle Sideways: then later re-live the inputs that were just 'recorded'
    Adams Rubble "wows" at the re-live part
    Riddle Sideways: and that re-live vs remember vs play-back it the point
    Riddle Sideways: what is that
    Riddle Sideways: ?
    Riddle Sideways: IDK
    Adams Rubble: Up to the re-live I was wondering if I had anything I could relate to what you were saying
    Riddle Sideways: sorry and TY
    Riddle Sideways: now you can add
    Riddle Sideways: and help me figure out that moment vs memory
    Adams Rubble: Often someone reports something here in PaB that seems magically and wonderful
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Adams Rubble: at that point the rest of us sit and try to match that against our own experiences
    Adams Rubble: I would have to think deeply about this
    Adams Rubble: I think it is wonderful you can do this
    Riddle Sideways: in watching/listening to most people
    Riddle Sideways: they relate to auto accidents
    Riddle Sideways: which is a sick thing
    Riddle Sideways: but, they know of what we talk
    Adams Rubble nods but not about the sick
    Riddle Sideways: inputs/data is coming in toooooooo fast
    Riddle Sideways: most has to go to secondary storage
    Riddle Sideways: later
    Riddle Sideways: while sitting on the curb talking to the police
    Riddle Sideways: it gets played back
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: later at night
    Riddle Sideways: when no inputs/sences coming in
    Riddle Sideways: secondary storage is reloaded
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: I think you are answering your own question
    Riddle Sideways: are those fresh, unexperienced inputs?
    Riddle Sideways: or old memory
    Riddle Sideways: is it the past beoming the present
    Adams Rubble: like a computer, memory goes into the processing unti and is reprocessed
    Adams Rubble: the processor is blank until the memory comes
    Adams Rubble: so we might view ot differently each time we reload it or maybe not
    Adams Rubble: the potential is there to process it differently depending what else we have loaded into our processor
    Riddle Sideways: yes, and that processing time is NOW/0th time
    Riddle Sideways: we bring an old past into 0th
    Adams Rubble: Not sure about the 0th time part
    Riddle Sideways: we are re-living ??
    Adams Rubble: it is in the moment
    Adams Rubble: I think we are somewhat detached but there are degrees of detachment
    Riddle Sideways: am thinking that I 'park' present moment.. yes detach present
    Riddle Sideways: and attach an old recording of a present
    Riddle Sideways: we are in that moment?
    Adams Rubble: like listening to a song on a CD again
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Adams Rubble: we feel the music
    Adams Rubble: can become one with the music
    Adams Rubble: but can not change the music
    Adams Rubble: on the CD
    Adams Rubble: unless we erase it :)
    Riddle Sideways: beg to defer
    Riddle Sideways: I change the lyrics all the time
    Adams Rubble: but you don;t change the CD
    Riddle Sideways: and hear what was not there at last listening
    Adams Rubble: you change what you are doing while listening
    Riddle Sideways: a scientist in me says you are correct
    Riddle Sideways: another me says you are wrong
    Adams Rubble: alas I am not a musician, only a parent of one
    Riddle Sideways: there are facts you think you know
    Riddle Sideways: there are others that ....
    Adams Rubble points to her tag
    Riddle Sideways: yes, novice that is how we start
    Riddle Sideways: and started today
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Our memories of the acidents are still stories
    Riddle Sideways: stories we tell ourselves AND others
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: where does that play in time-less, zeroth, ever
    Riddle Sideways: am still tinking those through
    Adams Rubble begins to wonder whether the heroic tales of battles were as vivid for the ancients
    Riddle Sideways: ah yes
    Riddle Sideways: before the auto
    Adams Rubble: life and death
    Riddle Sideways: we had to have moments in battle scenes
    Riddle Sideways: later we would sit shaking
    Riddle Sideways: and re-live those recording
    Riddle Sideways: some were soooo great that we pasted them to the next generation
    Adams Rubble: Getting back to 0th time for a moment (hehe), it may be necessary for us to have some general agreement of what we are talking about when we use the term
    Adams Rubble: I think of it as "eternal" time
    Adams Rubble: and so for me the accident story is as irrelevant to 0th time as the battles of Homer
    Riddle Sideways: that may have been the beauty of how Pema defined it
    Riddle Sideways: that he seemed (to me) to define a. NOW b. eternal c. something else
    Riddle Sideways: mostly outside the linear one-dimensional thought of time
    Adams Rubble: yes, for me it is a connector
    Adams Rubble: something I can use to plug me in
    Riddle Sideways: yes, a connector... with a loose define that I can take places
    Riddle Sideways: yet, not pre-determined
    Adams Rubble: like a shaman putting on a mask
    Riddle Sideways: zero (time) [ack, my keyboard has no approximation key/symbol]
    Adams Rubble: hmm...I take the shaman part back...too much baggage
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: ah, thatz what I was meaning
    Riddle Sideways: many/most words have that baggage
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: so we talk around and around the subject
    Riddle Sideways: we slip up and say 'word' and everybody jumps
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: I may be able to talk to you with some words and need different words for someone else
    Riddle Sideways: we make a new word like 0th
    Riddle Sideways: and run with it
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, I am needed to move on to next life activity
    Riddle Sideways: this has been
    Riddle Sideways: thought provoking
    Adams Rubble: Yes, we have gone past the hour but it was time well spent for me :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Adams Rubble: Yes, lots to think about
    Adams Rubble: Well, thank you for the discussion
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now...I'll leave politely this time :)
    Riddle Sideways: :D

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