2009.03.23 13:00 - Lost in the Beauty of it All

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    I, Pema, was the Guardian for this meeting, replacing Stim who was not able to attend.  However, I had some serious connectivity problems, so I missed parts of the session here and there.   Therefore, I've added comments only to the point where I first crashed.  If someone else wants to add further comments, fine, or if not, fine too :).

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ade:)
    Adelene Dawner: 'lo ^.^
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello buddha
    buddha Nirvana: Hi Ade:)
    Adelene Dawner: Hiya Buddha :)
    buddha Nirvana: Hi scathach:)
    buddha Nirvana: The boards come along:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: its great:)
    buddha Nirvana: hi pema:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema
    Pema Pera: hi Schathach, Buddha, Adelene!
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pema Pera: Hi Fef!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz:)
    Fefonz Quan: Hello all :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Solo
    Pema Pera: hi Solo!
    Pema Pera: and hi Qt!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello QT
    Solobill Laville: Hi, folks :)
    Qt Core: hi all
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Solo, Qt
    Solobill Laville smiles at Fefonz
    Adelene Dawner checks her production notes "I need to make the prim limit adjustable, find some way of letting the user change the color palette, and myabe add a few more post-draw features like shiny or fullbright. Oh, and add slideshow features to it .
    Adelene Dawner: But other than that, it's done ^.^
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: hi Mick!
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Mick
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick
    Mickorod Renard: wohh lots of folk
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya everyone
    Pema Pera: well we have a "theme day with Stim" but today without Stim :-)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Pema Pera: so we continue where we left off a week ago
    Pema Pera: about the them "appreciating the presence of appearance"
    Pema Pera: would anyone like to make a comment, or ask a question?
    Pema Pera: or share an experience?
    Solobill kicked off the conversation.
    Solobill Laville: Here's a though I had recently that I'd like to share
    Solobill Laville: It seems to really maximize any kind of "appreciative" experience
    Solobill Laville: is to try to transcend any "I" appreciate "that" type of thing
    Solobill Laville: So, perhaps, just letting the verb-side of appreciate fully become cultivated
    Solobill Laville: Just - appreciate, without any "I" or "it"
    Pema Pera: yes, Solo, definitely! Can you also give a concrete example (or more than one :-) ?
    Pema Pera: Hi Chiaiu!
    Solobill Laville: Sure, and i think this parallels very much what we spoke of last night
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Chiaiu :)
    Chiaiu Chiung: Hello all
    Pema Pera: Wow, Chiaiu has metamorphosed!
    Mickorod Renard: hi Chi
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Chiaiu Chiung: :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Corvi and Shilv!
    Chiaiu Chiung: the being has played with me :)
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya!
    Mickorod Renard: hiya crv
    Fefonz Quan: nice flying rag ade :)
    Shilv Tigerauge: hello together
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Corvi, shilv, chiaiu
    Mickorod Renard: hi shiv
    Fefonz Quan: hey Corvi, Shilv
    Solobill Laville: I guess to summarize my thought...
    Solobill Laville: Is that to me it is best to gently step aside and let my seeing become a vehicle for appreciation
    Solobill Laville: this works best with nature, and little well-behaved children... ;)
    Pema Pera: haha, yes
    Pema Pera: let seeing see?
    Pema Pera: can you remember an example, where you did that, in a concrete situation, and felt something shift, improve, change?
    Solobill Laville: Yes, as a first step then just "seeing"
    Solobill Laville: Yes
    Solobill Laville: But, I should add
    Solobill Laville: Sometimes this is not an active thing, and is only realized after the fact, so to speak
    Pema Pera: yes, perhaps always so!
    Solobill Laville: (this was often the case in childhood)
    Pema Pera: hard to "do" not-doing!
    Solobill proceeded to share a specific example.
    Solobill Laville: Here's one, then
    Solobill Laville: I was at an outdoor jazz festival in the mid 1980s
    Solobill Laville: Beautiful sunny day, great music, with a great friend
    Solobill Laville: the music was very ephemeral, and incorporated birds, and other natural sounds
    Solobill Laville: I was very "lost" in it
    Solobill Laville: When I looked up, there were dozens of birds flying over head
    Solobill Laville: I could not distinguish between them and the music, and it was very joyful
    Solobill Laville: (cliff notes summary)
    Solobill Laville: I imagine that is a not-so uncommon occurence, really :)
    buddha Nirvana: excuse me everyone, ty:)
    Solobill Laville: Bye, buddha
    Shilv Tigerauge: bye
    Pema Pera: indeed, only the intensity is what is perhaps uncommon, but we are literally bathed in experiences like that -- each moment can open to eternity when we learn to see and recognize
    Pema Pera: If I may quote a saying from a Japanese Zen master, Shodo Harada (I quoted this before in a Kira Cafe workshop but not yet in PaB), which seems relevant:
    Chiaiu Chiung: these moments seem to happen sometimes when relaxation + concentration come together
    Pema Pera:

       As Rinzai said:

          ``In this five-foot lump of red flesh there is a true
            person of no rank always coming in and going out;
            if you have not seen it yet, see it now!''

       . . .  It is always coming and going in and out of our body.
       When it goes out, if we see a flower, we become a flower;
       when we hear a beautiful bird's song, we become a singing bird.
       When we go within, we are hungry, sleepy, hot, and cold.
       There is a true master like that within each of us.

              We see a river and we are flowing without pause.
       We see the sky full of stars and we become it all.
       We dive into the suffering of all people, into society's miseries.
       Within this is a true person of no rank.

                                              Shodo Harada (1940 -- )

    Solobill Laville: Yes, Chiaiu :)
    Pema Pera: Yes, Chiaiu, they are spontaneous, but there must be factors leading up to them too
    And Qt and Mickorod brought up their examples.
    Qt Core: these days i'm having problems concentrating on my driving and not loosing myself in the beautiful sunset i see in front of me as i drive sw
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Mickorod Renard: I may have one:- I had to cut back lots of buches and tree's that were neglected in the garden.. I was rummaging around benieth the folliage and discovered a den,,or what could be one with imagination,,after a lil while it started to rain so rather than go indoors I decided to stay in my new den and peer out,,I soon became lost in the beauty of it all,,with the sound and presence of the rain,,took me back to that timeless zone as a kid
    Chiaiu Chiung: unfortunately whenever i try to recreate such a moment it does not work
    Pema Pera: we can't force it
    Pema Pera: but we can open ourselves for it
    Chiaiu Chiung: the more we try to force the less it happens
    Chiaiu Chiung: yes, the wu wei
    Pema Pera: yes, Mick, a beautiful description!
    Pema Pera: we can invite but not manipulate
    Fefonz Quan: and the more we miss it hapenning the les it comes again
    Qt Core: i usually come out of that mind state when another part of my mind thinks about taking pics of it
    Pema Pera: :)
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Anonymous
    Solobill Laville: You're welcome to join our discussion if you'd like
    Pema Pera: Hi Anonymous!
    Chiaiu Chiung: Hi Anonymous
    Shilv Tigerauge: hi
    Solobill Laville: Well, that got rid of him!!! hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
    Solobill Laville: (must not be here for the chatting)
    Pema Pera: you see, inviting does not always work either :-)
    Fefonz Quan: depends on the desired result ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: I can recall a few people saying about sim experiences when camping in tents,,when it rains and all you can do is look out through the rain and enjoy the beauty of the moment
    Solobill Laville: Yes, I've spent months' worth of time in tents and can confirm that
    Mickorod Renard: no tele
    Solobill Laville: Nature is very beneficial in that way
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, grins.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's easier than doing it in buildings, somehow
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,and being away from all the other things one would do on a wet day..like watch tele,,or fix something
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, maybe that's it..distractions.
    Qt Core: even the simpler sound of rain on your umbrella may be worth listening
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,lovely thought
    Solobill Laville: Yes, Qt, sound has a profound effect on us :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Eliza :)
    Shilv and Chiaiu add some of their experiences.
    Shilv Tigerauge: sometimes it happens when i´m drinking tea
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eliza
    Shilv Tigerauge: hi eliza
    Mickorod Renard: well I was brought up on Rupert Bear,,,,,that was an idilic world
    Solobill Laville: Heya, Eliza :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya eliza
    Solobill Laville: Shilv, can you describe that?
    Fefonz Quan practice medi-tea-tions a lot too :)
    Shilv Tigerauge: when sit in a quiet moment just tasting and smelling
    Shilv Tigerauge: see the colour
    Chiaiu Chiung: all the zen arts should be fine for this, and drinking tea is one of them
    Shilv Tigerauge: :)
    Solobill Laville: :) Mindfullness, Chiaiu?
    Fefonz Quan: i find also that the hot feeling in the stomache tends to resolve many tensions
    Fefonz Quan: and makes a nice object of meditation too
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ari
    Chiaiu Chiung: yes, everything where you relax and fully concentratre on the thing itself
    Shilv Tigerauge: nods
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello Arisia
    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: wb Pema
    Fefonz Quan: ab pema
    Fefonz Quan: wb*
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Pema
    Meanwhile I had dropped out and finally made it back in again, after several tries.  Perhaps the large number of avatars present, about a dozen, strained my wireless cell-phone based connection while I was cruising through the New Jersey landscape.
    Pema Pera: sorry, unusually bad connection from my train between New York and Princeton -- normally this works fine, but not today :(
    Solobill Laville: So, is this type of appreciation natural, or is there perhaps a level of intention with it? As in, allowing ourselves to be appreciative?
    Mickorod Renard: good question Solo
    Mickorod Renard: I would like to think its the other way around,,and we have lost something
    Fefonz Quan: i wonder about it, mostly because those apperecioaations are linked to "feeling good" situations
    Chiaiu Chiung: i think they are natural and do not happen easily with much intention
    Qt Core: things to be apppreciated are always there, our appreciation -ready state not
    Chiaiu Chiung: but you can practice o achieve it
    Chiaiu Chiung: to
    Mickorod Renard: its like the ,,,loosing ones innocence,,,seems to go hand in hand with loosing ones appreciation
    Solobill Laville: That resonates with me Mick;
    Chiaiu Chiung: true
    Mickorod Renard: without being religious,,a bit like Adam and Eve
    Shilv Tigerauge: nods
    Solobill Laville: I remember distinctly being about 16 and feeling my childhood 'innocence' dying, so to speak
    Mickorod Renard: Garden of Eden
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I see it in my son now
    Solobill Laville smiles and nods
    Mickorod Renard: I say,,hang on to your childhood,,its good
    Solobill Laville: But as adults, this is why cultivating some sort of mindfullness practice, like PaB, is so imporntant (I speak for myself)
    Mickorod Renard: I agree
    Shilv Tigerauge: yes, if i play with little children brings the feeling back
    Mickorod Renard: I think it can be infectious too,,that well being feeling
    Mickorod Renard: so its not all selfish
    Fefonz Quan: does that virus moves through virtual connection too mick ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: ?
    Mickorod Renard: I would think so
    Mickorod Renard: As has been said so many times,,its all a state of mind
    I was fascinated by the conversation about appreciation, intention, and innocence, but alas, at the time I only read part of it, and soon I would drop out again, so I missed the second half of the session.  Given that I wasn't there, I will leave that part for others to comment.
    Pema Pera: (seem to be frozen again, may crash soon -- I don't seem to get all the lines that are spoken and can't see anything anymore
    Mickorod Renard: not much seeing as appearance
    Pema Pera: (trying to guess the missing lines :-)
    Mickorod Renard: Solo,,do you have anymore idea's on that change that happens at 16 is?
    Solobill Laville: Not really... :)
    Mickorod Renard: ;-)
    Solobill Laville: I think it is a natural part of becoming an adult...
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Tarmel
    Shilv Tigerauge: hi
    Solobill Laville: Heya, Tarmel :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hey Tarmel
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi Tarmel!
    Fefonz Quan: Hey tarmel
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,so do you think the ,,,erm,,kid state that we all long for is out of place in adults?
    Tarmel Udimo: hi, folks might tkae me a little while to sit, my computer has been going through changes... :)
    Chiaiu Chiung: Hi Tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: so please continue
    Fefonz Quan: Mick/Solo, i think these are individual things, i didn't have those experiences correlated with age
    Mickorod Renard: have we developed or degenerated?
    Mickorod Renard: Did you not Fef?
    Solobill Laville: Geez, I really don't know Mick...I'd assume there is some branch withing the psychology discipline that looks into that perhaps
    Solobill Laville thinks limao may not be the most talented artist
    Fefonz Quan: (a rhetorical question mick?)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :))
    Shilv Tigerauge: :))
    Mickorod Renard: no,,I was wondering whether there is a divide
    Chiaiu Chiung: I guess it is more common among little children and simply gets lost the more we are culturized, or educated, or whatever we call it
    Fefonz Quan: so i don't get you, could you rephrase ?
    Solobill Laville: Perhaps it is part of developing a more concrete and separated ego
    Chiaiu Chiung: likely
    Fefonz Quan: well at 16 the ego is quite concrete i would say
    Chiaiu Chiung: reminds me of the 'Logical song' by supertramp...
    Mickorod Renard: well,,I was wondering whether you never lost that joyous bliss,,or whether perhaps you were not aware of a diference
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or perhaps learning how to play on one level involves letting go of play on another?
    Solobill Laville: perhaps...I was quite carefree though
    Fefonz Quan: yes, a nice one chi :)
    Fefonz Quan: i felt more carefree in 28 then in 18, that's why i said that before
    Solobill Laville: Yes, Corvi, especially depending on what we mean by "play"...
    Mickorod Renard: I think it happened before I was 16,,and the change took several years
    Chiaiu Chiung: When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful, A miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical. And all the birds in the trees, well theyd be singing so happily, Joyfully, playfully watching me. But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible, Logical, responsible, practical. And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable, Clinical, intellectual, cynical.
    Solobill Laville: Sky! :)
    Mickorod Renard: began rather than happened
    Solobill Laville: Great to see you :)
    Sky Szimmer: ditto, it's been awhile
    Shilv Tigerauge: hi sky
    Solobill Laville: Very appropo Chiaiu :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi, Sky
    Eliza Madrigal: We let go all together, too often perhaps, when maybe just letting "some" go would be better...smoother transitions. : )
    Mickorod Renard: I guess we are always changing,,all through life
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that song was just what i meant, i think, Chiaiu
    Solobill Laville: many traditions talk of "being like a child"
    Mickorod Renard: and I am old,,and look back with nostalgia
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Fefonz Quan: (nostalgiclly)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...we have each had moments as adults...where we look with those eyes.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we are not entirely lost from that.
    Chiaiu Chiung: right
    Solobill Laville: yes, or working away the encrustations
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Fefonz Quan: i find that nostalgia is a big obstacle by itself
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods to Fefonz
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we are still and always that.
    Eliza Madrigal: It can be fun to re-integrate things that one once left to the "childish" box
    Chiaiu Chiung: like being an M&M :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
    Mickorod Renard: but did we dupe ourselves thinking that as an adult we couldnt spare the time to appreciate
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Fefonz Quan: guess we did mick
    Solobill Laville: To a certain extant many do that Mick
    Solobill Laville: Right on cue, Squee
    Mickorod Renard: I am old Squee,,but I do pretend to be young
    Fefonz Quan: well that IS a state of mind :)
    Solobill Laville: Maybe if you pretend hard enough, you will be young then! )
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Every moment we are something new again.
    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: Not to get too metaphysical, but in a very real way, everything is
    Fefonz Quan wonders what the zeroth timers would say bout old and young
    Qt Core: have to go, bye all
    Fefonz Quan (missed yesterday meeting...)
    Solobill Laville: Bye, QT!
    Fefonz Quan: bye Qt
    Mickorod Renard: bye Qt
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye QT
    Shilv Tigerauge: bye
    Tarmel Udimo: yes me too still tracking down lost files...
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Tarmel
    Solobill Laville: Bye Tarmel...good luck
    Tarmel Udimo: bye all nice to see you
    Fefonz Quan: c u tarmel
    Mickorod Renard: bye tarme;l
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye tarmel
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: It does seem to be an irony that in order to work with complex ideas, one has to have the facility and flexibility to erase notions each time and start again...wake up the child.
    Scathach Rhiadra: and i must go too, bye all, namasté
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Scathach :)
    Fefonz Quan: Bye Scath
    Solobill Laville: Bye
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Scathach
    Mickorod Renard: bye Scath
    Shilv Tigerauge: bye
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye scath
    Mickorod Renard: yes Eliza
    Mickorod Renard: It is a lil like that I think
    Solobill Laville: That is an on-going challenge of mine Eliza, RL integration of mindfullness practices
    Solobill Laville: in the modern-life
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Mickorod Renard: getting rid of old notions is hard,,but ones never sure which to ditch and which to keep
    Fefonz Quan: if the ones you keep make you suffer, that's a hint...
    Solobill Laville: Well, I am biased, but at a certain level you can ditch them all
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's not so much getting rid of, for me.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's...turning to new ones?
    Solobill Laville: Ah, hos so, Corvi?
    Solobill Laville: *how
    Mickorod Renard: true,,but look at modern idea's...plastic instead of paper bags,,and plasic bottles instead of real ones
    Fefonz Quan: corvi, getting out a thorn in order to replace it?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: more...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i don't know about getting one out..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: opening up to a new idea..the old ones that don't work so well...sort of get crowded out.
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Mickorod Renard: everyone wants to go back to nature when u speak to them,,including me in many ways
    Fefonz Quan: I'm not!
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Solobill Laville: Well, I am Mick...
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Ara :0
    Solobill Laville: Heya, Arabella :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya,,Ara
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi, Ara
    Shilv Tigerauge: hi
    Chiaiu Chiung: hi
    Fefonz Quan: I feel that when we "succeed" to meditate/feel good just when we change the outside conditions, like being in silence/nature/etc. , we just got a new surrounding, like a new car or a new tv
    Fefonz Quan: that makes us feel good. wha'ts the difference?
    Solobill Laville: Different levels
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, thoughtfully
    Mickorod Renard: mmmmmm
    Solobill Laville: That is why some traditions recommend transcending the sensory information...taste, touch, etc.
    Fefonz Quan: different level, same attachment.
    Solobill Laville: But they can also be triggers to bridge the object-subject duality
    Fefonz Quan: trigers are nice, surely
    Solobill Laville: hello Kirii
    Solobill Laville: Oops, Korii
    Eliza Madrigal: Solo, still thinking about that ...nice idea... of "being mindful to play"
    Chiaiu Chiung: must go, bye all
    Shilv Tigerauge: sorry, have to go rl is calling
    Fefonz Quan: some of those traditions even say that the blissful states in deep meditation are also obstacles if we just wat them back each time
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Chiaiu
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I must go too
    arabella Ella: bye Chiau Shilv
    Arisia Vita: me too...
    Fefonz Quan: by chi, shilv
    Mickorod Renard: bye corv shilv and chi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye all
    Fefonz Quan: bye Corvi :)
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Chiaiu, Corvi, Shilv, Arisia
    arabella Ella: bye corv
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Shilv, Arisia :)
    Shilv Tigerauge: bye cu soon
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i really enjoyed this.
    Eliza Madrigal: Corv...bye :)
    Fefonz Quan: C U Arisia
    Mickorod Renard: bye arisa
    Eliza Madrigal: Fefonz, yes...you can be come attached to the sensation of bliss :)
    Mickorod Renard: I guess its good to have some contrast
    Fefonz Quan: yes, and that sensation when you loose it can hurt more then loosing your car...
    Eliza Madrigal: (my car was just towed a moment ago..belt issue..ha..timely)
    arabella Ella: so not sure if i am on right track but is it not inner peace and harmony with the outside world we should aim for?
    Fefonz Quan: hope you don't suffer a lot Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thankfully not :)
    Solobill Laville: That is a good aspiration Arabella, yes
    Mickorod Renard: I guess thats where simple life versus complicated life comes in
    Solobill Laville: It is akin to cultivating your own garden first so that it makes the world a better place
    arabella Ella: and I guess that what Fefonz described is too much attachment to things we may become too dependent upon ... which means inner peace and outside harmony have not yet been achieved
    Solobill Laville: and perhaps you can see that your garden is in fact the world
    Mickorod Renard: nice,,if everyone looked after their garden,,then the world would be a nicer place
    arabella Ella: yes we construct our own world
    Solobill Laville: yes, and most importantly, our "worlds" have immense plasticity, so that we can in fact alter them in immeasurable ways
    arabella Ella: exactly
    Fefonz Quan: i meant to the situation where you had inner peace and harmony and they are gon arabella
    arabella Ella: there is an expression in english ... life is what you make it ... and i think that is very true
    Solobill Laville: Some can't see this, or assume things are "just the way they are" (which is also true on a different level)
    arabella Ella: but Fefonz ... if you achieve inner peace and harmony ... would it be possible to lose them so easily?
    Fefonz Quan: if you accept them, just the way they are is wonderful :)
    Mickorod Renard: I guess one has to ask whether the inner peace that was lost was founded on good ground?
    arabella Ella: yes Fefonz that is the key i believe ... accepting other people, objectrs, circumstances, events ... just the way they are
    Fefonz Quan: i think it might be aarabella, and life can also manage "not easily" tasks
    arabella Ella: yes Fefonz but then it is up to us and may take time to get back to our harmonious equilibrium
    arabella Ella: with patience
    Fefonz Quan: i agree.
    arabella Ella: the patience can be very tough
    Solobill Laville: Patience is a virtue :)
    Eliza Madrigal: The idea though, that it can't be just about our own gardens, seems relevant to me.
    arabella Ella: but time and good will can always get us where we wish to go
    Solobill Laville: It is relevant to me as well, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: I know that's not what is meant, and of course "Be the light" is utmost...
    Fefonz Quan: that sounds great arabella,
    arabella Ella: :)
    Fefonz Quan: i think, (and will have to go soon), that one of the major chalenges is coping with non-harmonious situations, internal and external
    Solobill Laville: Perhaps those are the best learning opportunites
    arabella Ella: yes i agree Fefonz ... like the state i was in here the other day if you may remember
    Mickorod Renard: soI have had to contend with that too Fef
    Fefonz Quan: yes i do.
    Solobill Laville: and can be "appreciative" of them as such
    arabella Ella: those situations can be extremely tough
    arabella Ella: it is then like a tsunami hits our garden
    Fefonz Quan: yes Solo. and when we do that, then sometime the real breakthrough happen
    arabella Ella: but we can then with patience re-plant and wait for our garden to grow anew
    arabella Ella: perhaps humility is also important
    Mickorod Renard: I get stuck in a loop,,,like if only the rubbish wud stop being brought to me,,and then othrers sayin,,well its in your control to shut it out
    Fefonz Quan: or we can see that gardens are impermanent.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fefonz Quan: need to go, have a beautiful evening/morning guys :)
    Fefonz Quan: (and girsls)
    Solobill Laville: See ya Fef
    Eliza Madrigal: You too Fefonz, Bye
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,Bye Fef
    arabella Ella: bye Fefonz lovely to c u briefly
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    arabella Ella: i must go too
    arabella Ella: bye everyone
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Arabella
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Arabella :) Nice conversations here today. I'm rarely here at this time.
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,me too,,bye Eliza,,bye Sol,,bye Ara
    Solobill Laville: and then othrers sayin,,well its in your control to shut it out - that is not very helpful, I know Mick
    arabella Ella: well i am glad i made it briefly so sorry i was late tho
    arabella Ella: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Mick
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: there is something to the thought that if always watching for enlightenment, you will miss it.
    Solobill Laville: Yes, and the old zennies say don't bother cause it will hit you when you least expect it!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) While you are tending to someone else's garden I'd venture
    Solobill Laville: So, be diligent and mindful :)
    Solobill Laville: At least that's what I hear ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Thanks Solo :))
    Solobill Laville: Ah, perhaps! Good point
    Solobill Laville: Or even just simply encouraging others to cultivate a little bit...that seems to be how it starts
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm. yes. and that is 'easy"
    Eliza Madrigal: Not work/doing. : )
    Lilymal Magic: ow
    Solobill Laville: Can be
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lylymal
    Lilymal Magic: /helo
    Solobill Laville: hehe, Hello Lilymal
    Lilymal Magic: *hahaha*
    Eliah Dench: ...::: Lelelelelelelelelele :::...
    Lilymal Magic: :P~~
    Eliah Dench: ...::: Lelelelelelelelelele :::...
    Lilymal Magic: :Ppema
    Eliah Dench: recording ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Show but no dinner
    Eliah Dench: :>
    Lilymal Magic: *mmmmmMMM*
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Eliah
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliah Dench: Hey there
    Eliah Dench: what is it what u doing there ?
    Solobill Laville: Yes, there is a chat logs that auto records
    Solobill Laville: our conversations
    Eliah Dench: what for ?
    Solobill Laville: we are a sort of mini-meditation group
    Solobill Laville: and share our experiences
    Solobill Laville: Right here in SL!
    Eliah Dench: woooow thats kool
    Eliah Dench: so u use SL to meditate in RL ?
    Solobill Laville: Here is our wiki:
    Eliah Dench: or u just talk about it ?
    Solobill Laville: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Eliza Madrigal: We meet at various times...one has just finished winding up actually :)
    Solobill Laville: More just talk about it, but the practices we do are generally very short
    Lilymal Magic: ???
    Lilymal Magic: @@@@ELIIIAHHHHHAEILLAIAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
    Eliah Dench: sounds intresting ill take a look at the wiki
    Solobill Laville: Please do, anyone is welcome
    Eliah Dench: wifey needs my attention :D
    Solobill Laville: ok, have fun
    Eliah Dench: thanks so far
    Eliza Madrigal: Need to get going too. : )
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Solobill Laville: Bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Solo
    Eliza Madrigal: Eliah, bye
    Solobill Laville: So long, Elah
    Eliah Dench: Spit drulls..
    Eliah Dench waves goodbye ↑ ← → ↓
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