2009.03.29 13:00 - Poems, stories and songs

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    The guardian for this session is Maxine Walden.  All the comments are hers. 

    After the initial greetings which took several minutes, Pema and I, who are in dialog this session, seemed to go into simultaneous writing re how to proceed. Thus begins an interesting discussion of various aspects of time, but as often happens other unanticipated riches soon enter the discussion..


    Maxine Walden: Pema, you know I was thinking that this new 90 second pause allows us to experience more zeroth time, re that timeless feeling that I think we were trying to consider last time
    Pema Pera: Well, Maxine, what shall we talk about this time? We have had our theme meetings now for several weeks at this time, Sunday afternoon, on "timeless time" or the like -- would you like to continue that, or switch to a different theme?
    Pema Pera: sorry, simultaneous typing :)
    Pema Pera: yes, indeed!
    Tarmel Udimo: co-arising:-)
    Maxine Walden: we could do either...did you have another theme in mind?
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: nothing in particular
    Maxine Walden: yes, Tarmel
    Pema Pera: either way is fine
    Maxine Walden: in our earlier session today, the 7am one, each 90 second pause seemed to allow us to 'be' and to feel more spacious
    Pema Pera nods
    Eliza Madrigal: :::scratch:::
    Riddle Sideways: awwwww
    Wol Euler: hello pila
    Maxine Walden: and regarding our previous conversation, important as it was, from the perspective of the wider scope


    In here Korii as a huge but playful tiger cat is pouncing around the pavilion.  So imagine, dear reader, efforts to consider time amidst the playful pouncings, purrings, distractions of a large feline presence.


    Korii Tiger: hi pila
    Eliza Madrigal: :) purrs back
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila
    Eliza Madrigal: Greetings
    Pema Pera was ready for a big splash of water . . .
    Pema Pera: . . . seeing the tiger heading for teh pond
    Korii Tiger: lol
    Pema Pera: does anybody have any particular question, suggestion, observation concerning time?
    Korii Tiger: of corse being the agile dainty cat that i am i landed on the edge with poise and grace ;)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: cats don't like water, I know
    Tarmel Udimo: :) tarmel LOVES cats
    Pema Pera: oh oh
    Korii Tiger: ^.^
    Pema Pera: (thinking Korii would jump after all)
    Korii Tiger: hi Neela
    Wol Euler: hello neela
    Riddle Sideways: cats can warp time so that there is enough tim eto land on feet


    Feeling perhaps a bit too obsessively my job as one of the dialogers I offer a thought about time:


    Maxine Walden: a friend of mine, interested in time, asked whether it is a discovery or an invention
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Neela
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello everyone:)
    Tarmel Udimo: (loves all other animals too but don't tell the CATS):-)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Neela
    Korii Tiger: LOL
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Neela
    Wol Euler: good question!
    Pema Pera plugs Korii's ears wth both hands
    Korii Tiger: O.o
    Pema Pera: (so as not to hear Tarmel)
    Tarmel Udimo: :-)
    Korii Tiger: ./me thisnk kitty needs to take tarmel shopping
    Tarmel Udimo: good question
    Pema Pera: what do you think, Maxine?
    Maxine Walden: well, increasingly, I am thinking it is an invention.
    Pila Mulligan: intervals exist in nature, hours and minutes are more arbitrary
    Tarmel Udimo: (anytime Korii :)
    Korii Tiger: :D i'll hopld you to that
    Maxine Walden: maybe in the 90 sec pause coming up we can each wonder about time
    Korii Tiger: sounds grand.


    The 'announcement' which Storm scripted and which really serves as a reminder of time.

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    Maxine Walden: and our view of the experience of the pause

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    And then some of our considerations


    Maxine Walden: what experiences?
    Tarmel Udimo: more thoughts than anything and wondering when the first need for 'time' arose in a formal way
    Tarmel Udimo: not based on a reading of the sun and shadow or rising of the moon
    Pila Mulligan: I'd suggest when people began growing things
    Mickorod Renard: I thought in the garden of eden
    Mickorod Renard: when humanity lost its innocence
    Solobill Laville is Online
    Riddle Sideways: ah so you relate lost of innocence with "time"
    Mickorod Renard: its a thought
    Wester Kiranov: (sneaks out)
    Mickorod Renard: after all,,children have little concept of time
    Pila Mulligan: bye Wester
    Neela Blaisdale: Bye Wes


    Pema begins the song part of our session, which triggers other offerings


    Pema Pera meekly admits hearing the tune "shifting, drifting; cloudless, starless; velvet valleys and a sapphire sea" wafting across time
    Maxine Walden: meekly, Pema?
    Tarmel Udimo: ?
    Riddle Sideways: /meekly admits hearing the tune, "Time in a bottle"
    Pema Pera: well, compared to the more penetrating insights offered above :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehehe
    Mickorod Renard: maybe time is like money
    Mickorod Renard: there's ,,here today gone tommorow
    Eliza Madrigal: There's the natural rhythm, and there is the tool of "time" which sometimes becomes the master if we forget the beauty of the former
    Mickorod Renard: I like that eliza
    Riddle Sideways: seems very easy to forget time the tool
    Maxine Walden: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh Frank Zappa - should have known :-) >pema
    Riddle Sideways: use or lose it
    Pema Pera: what, me, PaBlag? -- this is only my fifteenth session so far :-)
    Pema Pera: and Frank Zappa fits right in now
    Tarmel Udimo: I am sure .... :)
    Maxine Walden: indeed!
    Riddle Sideways: the idea of "Mothers of Invention"
    Pema Pera: ah, time!
    Pema Pera: u c !!
    Pema Pera: thank you, Riddle :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :-)
    Maxine Walden: Pema, what is your experience right now, into the 15th straight session?
    Maxine Walden: a bit woozy? or time-lagged?
    Pema Pera: a bit dreamy I guess, yes
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Faaga
    Pema Pera: But yes, I love Frank Zappa songs; there is the line in the one I quoted "You'll be absolutely free, only if you want to be" -- in fact, that could some up all of PaB
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: try an un-occupied cushion, Fhaaga
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Fhaaga
    Pema Pera: welcome, Fhaaga
    Fhaaga Roecastle: im sorry


    When the second 15 minute pause begins, it seems in the session and also reading here far shorter than a 15 minute interval

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    Fhaaga Roecastle: my connection seems to be a bit slow

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    Riddle Sideways: Ah
    Pema Pera: Fhaaga, we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Fhaaga Roecastle: no I dont mind
    Pema Pera: thank you!


    Then Eliza begins our poem gathering 


    Eliza Madrigal: There is a poem...Time Problem, by Brenda Hillman..anyone familiar?
    Maxine Walden: no, Eliza, please tell us
    Tarmel Udimo: no, but would like to be:-)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fhaaga Roecastle: no
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=176572
    Eliza Madrigal: Thought of it the other day reading logs...
    Mickorod Renard: hiya Solo
    Wol Euler: hello solo
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Solo
    Pila Mulligan: hi solo
    Solobill Laville: Heya, folks!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Solo
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Solo
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Eliza, for the poem, evocative
    Pema Pera: yes, very much so
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,nice poem
    Mickorod Renard: will keep that
    Pema Pera: and 12 years old --- seems my life was so much simpler then and less time pressured :-)
    Fhaaga Roecastle: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: A little long...why I didn't type it...would take so much timehah
    Pema Pera: :)


    And Tarmel offers another poem, which seems a perfect book end match with the previous one offered by Eliza


    Tarmel Udimo: yes very nice Eliza - and speaking of poetry, one of my favourites :): Wild Geese by Mary Oliver

    Wild Geese
    by Mary Oliver

    You do not have to be good.
    You do not have to walk on your knees
    for a hundred miles through the desert repenting.
    You only have to let the soft animal of your body
    love what it loves.
    Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine.
    Meanwhile the world goes on.
    Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain
    are moving across the landscapes,
    over the prairies and the deep trees,
    the mountains and the rivers.
    Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air,
    are heading home again.
    Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination, calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting  over and over announcing your place in the family of things.


    Mickorod Renard: maybe we could find out what we do know about time?
    Eliza Madrigal: MMMMM. Tarmel, that is exquisite
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,cool thanks
    Pema Pera: yes, very direct
    Mickorod Renard: must copy that for my collection
    Maxine Walden: wonderful poems,just wonderful
    Fhaaga Roecastle: yea
    Tarmel Udimo: yes both very appropriate for PaB
    Fhaaga Roecastle: I lucky to have come here
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Me too Fhaaga


    Strands of thought,  from the poems and considerations of time and welcomings to a newcomer all interweave


    Maxine Walden: my friend re the question of time, invention or discovery, mentioned that all of Nature, except perhaps our hurried selves, just lives life, no hurry, no impatience....
    Maxine Walden: as the poems may imply
    Pema Pera: you're welcome to come here, Fhaaga, any time -- we gather here at 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm every day
    Fhaaga Roecastle: oh
    Fhaaga Roecastle: thanks
    Fhaaga Roecastle: Ill come often
    Pila Mulligan: I'd bet prehistoric minds contemplated moon phases with what we would call an intellectual curiosity
    Solobill Laville: I bet your right, Pila
    Fhaaga Roecastle: they sure did
    Wol Euler: hello sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia
    Fhaaga Roecastle: and we still do
    Pila Mulligan: hi sophia
    Solobill Laville smiles at Fhaaga
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophia


    Pema offers another poem


    Pema Pera: Here is a very short poem by Tagore, about time: 
    T"The learned say that your lights will one day be no more." said the firefly to the stars.

    The stars made no answer.



    Fhaaga Roecastle: hi sophia
    Fhaaga Roecastle: :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi sophie
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm
    Tarmel Udimo: wow, what a dress sophia
    Maxine Walden: ah, Pema...
    Tarmel Udimo: beautiful
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Sophie
    sophia Placebo: ty tarmel :)
    Tarmel Udimo: nice one pema


    And yet another 15 minute interval

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    Solobill Laville: That is wonderful!
    Pema Pera: thanks to Storm
    Riddle Sideways: Maxine, I was thinking about time being discovered or invented


    And I offer a small poem which occurred during the 90 second pause


    Maxine Walden: a little poem which occurred: The birds and the crickets/sing during the pause/measuring the timelessness/we are experiencing together


    And Riddle offers a story 


    Riddle Sideways: there was a tribe on the eastside of the great river that discovered time
    Maxine Walden: yes, Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: the one on the west side invented it
    Pema Pera: how nice, Maxine!
    Tarmel Udimo: lovely max
    Riddle Sideways: of course they went to war
    Eliza Madrigal: measure the timelessnesss....very nice
    Maxine Walden: ty
    Riddle Sideways: it probably not nice to insist of either


    We ponder Riddle's story as potential metaphor as well as children's story for us all


    Maxine Walden: interesting thought, Riddle; would agree
    Pema Pera waiting with baited breath for the rest of Riddle's story . . . .
    Riddle Sideways: wonders which tribe owned time
    Pema Pera: which side won?
    Riddle Sideways: is amuzing to puzzle over
    Riddle Sideways: but I don't think I own time
    Riddle Sideways: nor it me
    Maxine Walden: does seem like a fight more than divergent realities
    Maxine Walden: is this where our narcissism, our needing to possess the 'truth' might come in?
    Riddle Sideways: probably


    And other considerations about time continue to wend in


    Tarmel Udimo: and yet without the invention of time, we couldn't travel in space, or could we?
    Riddle Sideways opens dooe
    Riddle Sideways: door
    Pema Pera: seriously, Riddle, I see the possibility of a great children's story in the way you started
    Pema Pera: why don't you try?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes riddle
    Pema Pera: share it with us on email
    Riddle Sideways: maybe
    Maxine Walden: not just a story for children, either, Riddle, but for us all
    Pema Pera: children have so much more trouble with time than when I grew up, and older oldies among us
    Wol Euler: if we had been _unable_ to invent time, had it really not occurred, we probaly would not have advanced beyond hunters and gatherers
    Pema Pera: yes, that was Pila's point
    Riddle Sideways: but Wol, we could have discovered time
    Pema Pera: [13:18] Pila Mulligan: I'd suggest when people began growing things
    Riddle Sideways: not invented it
    Wol Euler: ah, sorry, I missed that
    Pema Pera: yet hunters and gatherers also deal with seasons
    Pema Pera: but perhaps less strictly so?
    Pema Pera: not the hurry of harvesting season . . .
    Maxine Walden: still the rhythms of the seasons, when to go for the berries, and the fish returning...
    Tarmel Udimo: why do you think it was a discovery riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: not sure I do, but it was probably one of those things laying around all the .... (time) and we just had to discover it
    Tarmel Udimo: hummmm


    Another story occurs to Riddle 


    Riddle Sideways: now I am hearing a story of the nobles riding up to a castle
    Pema Pera: :)
    Riddle Sideways: and presenting them with their newest invention
    Riddle Sideways: Time
    Tarmel Udimo: we've jumped time
    Riddle Sideways: the french yell down, "no, thanks we already have it"
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehehe
    Maxine Walden: hoho, riddle
    Mickorod Renard: viva la france


    Which Pema picks up on and adds to...


    Pema Pera: we have all the time in the world ! they said
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Maxine Walden: haha, Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Tarmel Udimo: grins


    and Riddle adds to...


    Riddle Sideways: we also have all the world,, in Time
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    As does Pema...



    Pema Pera: in a bottle . . .
    Riddle Sideways: oh no
    Riddle Sideways: that song getsstuck
    Pema Pera: :-)))
    Tarmel Udimo: :)


    I think I know what to title this chatlog


    Maxine Walden: think that title of this chatlog will be 'Poems and Stories' ...
    Pema Pera: /methinks that Riddle will dream about time bottles tonite
    Mickorod Renard: I recon time was invented at the same time as money


    More songs


    Eliza Madrigal: "tiiime is on my side..."
    Riddle Sideways: TY Eliza


    And an elaboration on the title of the log


    Maxine Walden: 'Poems, stories and songs'...
    Neela Blaisdale: Poems ,Stories and rock and roll
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)


    And another 15 minute interval pause

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    Which brings us up to the hour mark, so people begin their goodbyes


    Wol Euler quietly excuses herself and slips away. Goodnight everyone.
    Riddle Sideways: Thank you Strom, the pool is beautiful
    Scathach Rhiadra: night Wol:)
    Mickorod Renard: nite Wol
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Wol
    Neela Blaisdale: Night Wol
    Maxine Walden: nite wol
    Tarmel Udimo: night wol
    Solobill Laville: Night, Wol
    Riddle Sideways: nite wol
    sophia Placebo: bye wol
    Pema Pera: I'll say goodbye too
    Neela Blaisdale: Nifgt everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema, Neela
    Pila Mulligan: bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, night all, namasté
    Solobill Laville: Yes, night all
    Pema Pera: till next "time" :-)
    Fhaaga Roecastle: bye wol
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle, Scath, Solo.....all :))))
    Maxine Walden: bye all
    Riddle Sideways: need to take these bottles of time back to the storeroom
    Tarmel Udimo: bye all
    Maxine Walden: right, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: bye for the time Being
    Fhaaga Roecastle: Well
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Maxine Walden: well, me to go as well. great discussion...will be fun to write about for the log
    Riddle Sideways is Offline
    Fhaaga Roecastle: thank you all
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Maxine


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