2009.04.05 01:00 - From humans to Monks

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    Moon Fargis: ahh morning :)
    Stargate Tone: Good Morning :)***
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    Susi Alcott: hi Moon
    Moon Fargis: ahh always the same, the clock wakes me up and i continue sleeping ...
    Stargate Tone: ah; you have new suit :)***
    Moon Fargis: yes fael gave it to me yersterday
    Stargate Tone: nice one
    Stargate Tone: very nice
    Moon Fargis: yeps
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: hmms would yo both take care of those who are coming? i need atleast something to eat now ^^
    Stargate Tone: well...might it then be good thing that U'r still sleeping :)*
    Moon Fargis: andd be right back
    Susi Alcott: sure
    Susi Alcott: pls take care of your breakfast at first
    Moon Fargis purrrrrrsssssssss
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: smiles *
    Moon Fargis: ahh ok all is back to normal.. having food and tea prepares too :)
    Stargate Tone: good :)***
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: well...you know what...
    Stargate Tone: there's been this question in my mind today...been wondering quite much...
    Moon Fargis: oh, yes?
    Stargate Tone: still donno if I've found good words enough....but...been wondering
    Stargate Tone: that can it really be true that people cannot look at themselves and see what they are ...
    Moon Fargis: hmm
    Stargate Tone: ...as I can understand, that people lie to other people...
    Moon Fargis: well thats usual people dont see what they are cus their mind got to busy with the world out there and dont look inside thw world in themself+
    Stargate Tone: but so much I've experienced such that I've wondered how come people lie also of such matters that both do know that to be the lie....
    Stargate Tone: ...
    Stargate Tone: there is huge truth within Your words, and that surely is one reason to many things that people lie to each other
    Moon Fargis: ah well thats why religion is important star
    Stargate Tone: ..ah...religions are important to millions of people yes...
    Moon Fargis: because religion tell the people what is inside them.. but mostly thats the easy way
    Moon Fargis: in buddhism you have to look by yourself
    Stargate Tone: but I mean such people that do work for themselves with meditations and such
    Moon Fargis: ah can you give a example?
    Stargate Tone: can it still be that they truly cannot see....
    Stargate Tone: well...cuz of so huge much pretending
    Moon Fargis: morning tarmel
    Stargate Tone: Good Morning Tarmel :)**
    Susi Alcott: hi Tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: hello all three:-)
    Moon Fargis: well star, even when someone works with meditation its nit guaranteed the already looked inside or is awake
    Moon Fargis: i know one, who where in kind of tibetan meditation for lots of yoears
    Moon Fargis: and he nearly was so far with his mind of state and awareness of himself as in the beginning
    Moon Fargis: he lived in a monastery aso, but he simply chooses the wrong way of meditation and practises, he recogniced that then
    Stargate Tone: *
    Moon Fargis: morningmbertrum
    Stargate Tone: well...might that be then that them fears do blind one so much...
    Stargate Tone: Morning Bert *
    Susi Alcott: hi Bert
    Tarmel Udimo: morning Bert
    Moon Fargis: star, not only fears blind, goals blind too
    Stargate Tone: that it truely would be so that ppl dont see...
    Stargate Tone: well...I truely mean such blind that dont see oneself; not the behavier or attitudes or so....
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: is the attitude the part of what one is ?
    Moon Fargis: yes that i ment, you can do years of meditation , if you do it with a gal and reasons and ego, you wont be able to really see yourself
    Moon Fargis: so aslong the ego is there the clear sight is not given
    Moon Fargis: morning sophia
    Stargate Tone: well; I know also such person who's been meditating the TM way for 25 years (back then when we met more; many years ago
    Stargate Tone: Hello sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning :)
    Susi Alcott: Hi Sophia
    Tarmel Udimo: hi Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: flowers everywhere !!
    Bertrum Quan: hi Sophia
    Moon Fargis: yep :)
    Stargate Tone: and yet he had not learned to be what he would've like to be....
    Stargate Tone: but yet , even he saw; knew what he is
    Stargate Tone: and could even express that
    Moon Fargis: well aslong he wats to learn what he would like to be, as long he dont reach it
    Tarmel Udimo: from Moon Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: its his creation:-)
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Stargate Tone: well; he knew what he would've like to be, but cound't help himself to change....
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: Tarmel
    Stargate Tone: how do you take, might to 'change' be a little more like 'female' thing ?
    Moon Fargis: hmhmm sure there are also external facts that plays a role, your surounding and your daily work aso
    Stargate Tone: yes,,,and thinking that 'female thing' cuz woman is more tight to the surrounding nature
    Tarmel Udimo: nort sure what you mean Star?
    Tarmel Udimo: the change for a woman?
    Stargate Tone: thinking woman's naturall 'rebirth' almost 'all the time'
    Moon Fargis: hmm now i also cant follow :)
    Stargate Tone: jus for how woman's body works out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: do you mean more connected to physicality
    Stargate Tone: nope; meaning that how woman's body is more stronly 'working with nature', as man's body is more connected to his mind
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
    Moon Fargis: hmm
    Stargate Tone: and it does not go through such changes all the time like woman's body do
    Stargate Tone: as well that is the way more of men that they 'restore' things, but women do 'handle' them much more
    Moon Fargis: dont know, but i would say mens minds are often more sheltered also from inside becasue they where said "be a man be strong, dont cry" all their life so they hide from theirself
    Stargate Tone: ah
    Moon Fargis: morning life
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Stargate Tone: you know what Moon ; you did that again
    Moon Fargis: ah i did ?:)
    Moon Fargis: and what ?:))
    Stargate Tone: Hello life :)*
    lifeticket Bonham: hi all
    Moon Fargis: life: youre new here?
    Susi Alcott: Hi life
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI lifeticket
    lifeticket Bonham: yes just checkin this out
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Stargate Tone: you see Moon; to think that one is something certain kind ...as the person...just cuz one is man
    Stargate Tone: so that I truely can understand that one turnes to be blind to oneself too
    Stargate Tone: thank you
    Moon Fargis: np ^^
    Stargate Tone: so; now I learned that it's really possible for ppl not to see what they are
    Tarmel Udimo: but wait Star, you just said that about women, sorry... :-)
    Stargate Tone: ah; you see; there's not any such thight roles set to women...
    Tarmel Udimo: well there are assumptions made though same thing
    Stargate Tone: men are much more challeneged that 'r you a man at all' and such
    Stargate Tone: meaning that it's huge touch role model which is given to men
    Stargate Tone: commonly I mean
    Stargate Tone: generally speaking
    Tarmel Udimo: yes perhaps, but I do think younger males and females have different role models now
    Stargate Tone: ah; there's come huge much freedom more; yes
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I think so...
    Stargate Tone: but yes...also these people who I was thinking that made me to wonder, are all such men who's been teached to 'live' that role model
    Stargate Tone: and yes; for them I started to wonder
    Tarmel Udimo: yes men of a certain generation are perhaps confused because those old models don't apply anymore
    Tarmel Udimo: and yet as a female there are expcetations that a male will protect me if there was trouble for instance
    Stargate Tone: and...well..have they ever been naturall and truthfull ....
    Tarmel Udimo: for them yes I think so
    Stargate Tone: ah...and that makes that kind of men to be even more embarresd in case they need help from the woman...
    Stargate Tone: even there's 'woman and man' in each person....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: matriarchal to patriarchal, hopefully a balance this time? :))
    Stargate Tone: and each one is individual also with needs
    Moon Fargis: (pssst) :)
    Stargate Tone: ah...balance....might that be something that can be only temperal
    Moon Fargis: Binnng*
    Moon Fargis: microwave ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha moon
    Stargate Tone: sry; was too quick to press enter
    Moon Fargis: so well f someone medtates and fades out himself, he also have to fadeout his gender
    Moon Fargis: as emptyness is genderless:)
    Stargate Tone: oh yes
    Stargate Tone: but...how can one 'deal' with the probs that comes for such thinking if one dont deal with them while meditating....
    Moon Fargis: well he awareness of that is important too, he have to know that he is also allowed to let go of this ultra basic thinking "male and female" thats why i also ways said that to be a monk is a own gener
    Moon Fargis: gender
    Stargate Tone: ...that needs meditating ?
    Moon Fargis: hmm that needs awareness
    Moon Fargis: meditation s one of the many ways to let it grow
    Stargate Tone: well...you told about that monk...
    Moon Fargis: yes?
    Stargate Tone: he meditated, but his awareness didn't grow...
    Stargate Tone: (maybe of other things, but not himself)
    Moon Fargis: well yes in his case it was he simply choosed the wrong practise for himself
    Stargate Tone: **
    Moon Fargis: hi sophia
    sophia Placebo: hi moon ,all
    Stargate Tone: Hello sophia
    Susi Alcott: Hi sophia
    Moon Fargis streches himself and slurps his cup of te
    Moon Fargis: tea
    Stargate Tone: well; you also told that he noticed that by himself....so; do you know what he did then ?
    Stargate Tone: ty Moon
    Moon Fargis: star: well he came to me :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lovely Moon just what I needed
    Bertrum Quan: ty Moon
    Susi Alcott: Thank You
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Stargate Tone: ah; then you told enough :)***
    Tarmel Udimo: thank you Moooooooooon
    Tarmel Udimo: ****Howlllzzzzzzzz****
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| miaaauuuu |•·˙
    sophia Placebo: ty moon
    Tarmel Udimo: holw
    Tarmel Udimo: ****Howlllzzzzzzzz****
    Stargate Tone: well then....
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| miaaauuuu |•·˙
    Stargate Tone: there's an other matter I've also been thinking much...
    Stargate Tone: as there is this saying 'from childrens mouth we hear the truth'
    Stargate Tone: sure that's not any fact either, but trusting that ppl here understand that the right way
    Stargate Tone: ...yet; whole my life I've seen that even them ppl who keeps saying that, dont 'follow it's wisdom'....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think part of that is children don't have the social barriers to speaking what they think
    SophiaSharon Larnia: among other things
    Moon Fargis: yes they tell what they think
    Moon Fargis: morning fael
    Stargate Tone: Good Morning Fael
    Susi Alcott: Hello Fael
    Fael Illyar: Morning, Moon, Star, Susi, Tarmel, SophiaSharon, Sophia :)
    sophia Placebo: hi fael
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Fael :)
    Tarmel Udimo: morning fael
    Fael Illyar: a crowd again, 1am meetings are getting people it seems :)
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: *smiles*
    Stargate Tone: but I ment that 'message' within that saying
    Stargate Tone: that how people pay so much attention to who is speaking...
    Moon Fargis: ah humans instintivley search for a alpha human
    Stargate Tone: not always so much to what one speaks...not to mention what one do not speak out
    Moon Fargis: still inside them, to folow and trust someone, see it as their leader
    Moon Fargis: as the apes have a alpha ape too, so its evolition
    Moon Fargis: +u
    Moon Fargis: i often smile wheni see how people, especially masses acts like apes still
    Moon Fargis: or monkeys
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smile, moon
    Stargate Tone: ...
    Stargate Tone: ah yes
    Stargate Tone: but as individuals who's leading themselves....
    Moon Fargis: thats why there is also such state of mind "monkey mind"
    Moon Fargis: are we really individuals?
    Moon Fargis: in every country we go we have a president or a kng acting as alpha animal
    Moon Fargis: telleing the people what todo
    Moon Fargis: and they follow in 90% of the case
    Stargate Tone: to me; we are, but know of other kind of life form as human beings too
    Stargate Tone: so,,,that 'we' is not any global
    Moon Fargis: but also is enought when you are at work and see your boss
    Moon Fargis: following his orders and putting yurself back when he wants something
    Stargate Tone: well; you can also see certain 'marks' of culture in people , yet; the individualism makes ppl to be free of that too
    Stargate Tone: well; that's the relate where you may not be free
    Stargate Tone: most ppl are not free to there bosses
    Moon Fargis: yep
    Stargate Tone: but I'm thinking about the behavier and seing to which there's not any other pressure but oneself
    Fael Illyar would prefer saying most people choose to not be free from their bosses.
    Stargate Tone: the only thing in which the true will can work out all the time
    Stargate Tone: well...imo...there's not yet much possibilities fro ppl to chooce that
    Moon Fargis: well you are always free to go
    Tarmel Udimo: sorry folks, I have to go, but as always nice to see you all..
    Fael Illyar: See you later Tarmel :)
    Stargate Tone: cuz most of ppls life is such that money is needed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Tarmel :)
    Moon Fargis: ok see you tarmel ^^/
    sophia Placebo: bye tramel
    Tarmel Udimo: enjoying my tea, might take it with me:)
    Stargate Tone: see you Tarmel
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Tarmel Udimo: waves to everyone and the flowers
    Moon Fargis: *giggles*
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
    Fael Illyar: You can choose to change the boss though.
    Stargate Tone: who can...who cannot....most cannot
    sophia Placebo: me too have to leave ,bye
    Fael Illyar: See you later Sophia :)
    Stargate Tone: (been such fool myself that I've changed, but donno but one more such person...and know 'few')
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe wow Moon, what big eyes you have
    Fael Illyar: (you mean it wasn't good that you changed?)
    Moon Fargis stares at sophia then try to press my nose:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: *giggles*
    Stargate Tone: not meaning that; truely meaning that it's not so possible to many people
    Fael Illyar doesn't understand the "fool" in that sentence then.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: omg Moon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: screams in delight
    Stargate Tone: as I had no idea how shall I survive for leaving the job
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahahahha ty Moon
    Moon Fargis: ^.^
    Stargate Tone: only knew that I cannot continue for her
    Stargate Tone: so; did the only thing I could....:)***
    Stargate Tone: ah so...what I think I can do....for this kind of people...the only thing I know is to love
    Stargate Tone: and wish that it could help them
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that is one of the most difficult concepts for me
    Moon Fargis: well humans are only that much free as they allow it to themself
    Stargate Tone: yes; there's many kind of prisons
    Stargate Tone: and huge many of them are cretion of just normal and naturall needs of human being
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
    SophiaSharon Larnia: agrees
    Stargate Tone: Sophia....could you tell some example of why you said that to love is difficult to you ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as a singular word it means so many different things, there are many kinds, and also in the past i have felt a lack of it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: toward me personally and in me
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you are all so lovely here
    SophiaSharon Larnia cies
    SophiaSharon Larnia cries
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and *giggles*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how can one understand what the word means when it carries so much baggage
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the only solutions seems to empty myself out completely
    Stargate Tone: one need to drop all one's mind connects to love, but what is not love
    Fael Illyar: Any explanation of what love is, is somehow not quite right.
    Moon Fargis: well sophia, love to someone is often followed by attachment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i want to make up my own language
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Stargate Tone: that's why one can only feel , what love is
    Moon Fargis: and attachment leads more often to suffering
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but I beleive that I am born in a physical body as we all are, releasing attachment, to me, seems to disregard what I am here to learn about, so the idea is confusing for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but i think that is somewhat changing the subject
    Moon Fargis: ah well, you cant avaoid attachment
    Fael Illyar: attachment is to be stuck to certain choice. Unable to consider making it differently.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Fael
    Stargate Tone: ah...might the subject be 'over' ...
    Moon Fargis: but you can learn how todeal with it in a way it wouldnt be there to say it in a verry simple speech
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is it ever over Stargate, the topic of love, i do beleive it is all things , perhaps even, That or what Is :))
    Stargate Tone: may I tell a short story that rose from my heart for you Sophia ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: please
    Stargate Tone: few times I've tried to read some books having very bad feelings....
    Fael Illyar: Hello Sky :)
    Moon Fargis: hi sky
    Stargate Tone: and each time that has been caused by my attitude
    Sky Dionysus: hello
    Stargate Tone: Hello Sky
    Sky Dionysus: hows it goin!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Sky
    Susi Alcott: hi Sky
    Sky Dionysus: wuts up all
    Stargate Tone: and that attitude has always been that I've thought that book to 'know' more than I do....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i understand Stargate
    Stargate Tone: as soon I ralized that, all my pain was gone
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: Thank You Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok maybe i do not could you elaborate?
    Stargate Tone: sry I donno the word 'elaborate'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: explain
    Stargate Tone: ah
    Stargate Tone: as this story rose for your words about to learn....
    Moon Fargis: (brb phone)
    Stargate Tone: as I felt that you have 'read some books' that way ....
    Stargate Tone: cuz I feel much love within you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i have approach learning topics with certain attitudes that set the info that I would learn
    SophiaSharon Larnia: blinded to other things as it were..thank you Stargate
    SophiaSharon Larnia: limited myself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: part of the reason why i believe i am here
    Fael Illyar: It's very easy to limit yourself without knowing it. Happens to everyone sometimes.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Moon Fargis giggles about susi slurping his tea while sleeping
    Susi Alcott: playing to be the magician
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (yes I noticed that LOL
    Susi Alcott: well....there's something else I can do like the magician....
    Moon Fargis: well sophia, loveis something you can give and recive, mostly those who recived will give it too, basicly its simple :)
    Moon Fargis: and sometimes a hug gives more thanthousand words
    Susi Alcott: could stabb you Moon with the small needle feeling no pain at all myself :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha Susi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah omg moon
    Moon Fargis: ahhhh susi used the needle :)
    Fael Illyar wonders about stabbing with a needle....
    Susi Alcott: well...maybe you dont either feel any pain if you'll use your chainsaw to me :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i tried meditating again today...with CD mantra and my lips, cheeks and fingers got numb, does anyone feel that?
    Moon Fargis: well i would suffer cus of the lot of blood i have to clean up then
    Susi Alcott: ah...donno the right word in english..(stabb is with knife I know)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe forgot to breath?
    Moon Fargis: ahh forgot to breath is unhealthy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (not on purpose)
    Stargate Tone: is to numb something like to be stiffed ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, tingling a physical sensation
    Moon Fargis: well how did you sat? on the ground? on a chair?
    Fael Illyar: (num == turta)
    Fael Illyar: numb
    Stargate Tone: (if one breaths very low, that's only good thing while meditating)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lay in a chaise lounge
    Moon Fargis: ahh
    Stargate Tone: so; I understood right Your phenomena
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its why i stopped
    Stargate Tone: well; your soul shrinked; you forgot yourself too much; didnt' pay attention enough to Your whole existences needs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting
    Stargate Tone: many people can get also so called cold fingertops or toetops...
    Stargate Tone: then one dont fullfill one's body fully
    Stargate Tone: earthly body I mean
    Stargate Tone: so you did very right thing stopping
    Stargate Tone: ...our earthly body is very very often much wiser than our mind
    Stargate Tone: 'it' 'speaks' very easily and it's the question of health to listen to it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in that senbe, i agree
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sense*
    Moon Fargis: well sophia, if you wish i can introduce you into a medtation where such things shall not happen :
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Moon Fargis: but then
    Moon Fargis: well to be true i cant promise:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes please do!!
    Moon Fargis: as often legs sleep then
    Moon Fargis: when you sit on the wrong pillow
    Moon Fargis: so far it seems a laying meditation isnt good for your body, is seldome is cus ofthe chacra flow described in the chinese medicine
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
    Moon Fargis: so maybe a sitting one would suit better for you
    Moon Fargis: that means, first to find a suitable place in your home, a silent place
    Moon Fargis: a place where you feel good to be
    Stargate Tone: and yes; here 'we come' to the matter how woman's body is differently tihgt to the 'local' nature
    Moon Fargis: even better when something is around where you can play some music
    Stargate Tone: as men do dream with there body; woman leaves it while sleep
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that is what it felt like, like i was trying to leave my body
    Stargate Tone: ah...surely not all of the women , but the dirrerence is 'there'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sort of
    Stargate Tone: and you might been to do that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: scary
    Stargate Tone: that may even have the true reason
    Stargate Tone: as it's not always any simple to return into the human body
    SophiaSharon Larnia: because i sense things there, and there is no one next to me so i feel safe lol
    Stargate Tone: nobody so that you would've sence, cuz you was more in your wider self
    Stargate Tone: mening; your mind was
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i know on one level i am 'their' equal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as we all are
    Moon Fargis: yes, but be aware that such body leavings often dissort alot of yur chacra flow and body health
    Stargate Tone: but that experience gave you also more knowledge of yourself...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes moon
    Stargate Tone: and yes; we are not alone 'there' either
    Stargate Tone: and it's always or true will which makes us to return
    Moon Fargis: as this numb fingers and cheeks where just the beginning, so would you mind if we continue our talk at the chery tree zendo at my sim? then i gan give you also a link to a piece of music
    Stargate Tone: but less understanding what would be enough, makes some probs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that would be great

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