2009.04.29 01:00 - Presence as communication

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Tarmel Udimo. The comments are by Tarmel Udimo. I spent the first 15 mins alone contemplating the loveliness of silence. I had to attend to something in RL and on my return a few mins later, found Sophia and Strannik chatting.


    Strannik Zipper: greetings
    sophia Placebo: hello
    Strannik Zipper: greetings sophia
    Strannik Zipper: It has been a bit quiet so far - I'm not sure if Tarmel is really there or not
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Strannik Zipper: so tonight it might be play as non-being
    sophia Placebo: non being like what if i am not here at this moment

    I made my apologies and Strannik suggested a topic which we discussed for the rest of the hour.

    Tarmel Udimo: hello, so sorry
    Strannik Zipper: wb Tarmel :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe just read the chat
    Tarmel Udimo: yes here but not here:)
    Tarmel Udimo: Strannik have you been to Pab before?
    Strannik Zipper: a couple of times now
    Strannik Zipper: I'm an old friend of Pemas
    Tarmel Udimo: very nice
    Tarmel Udimo: oh yes i think we met at a Pheono group session?
    Strannik Zipper: right
    Tarmel Udimo: does anyone have a topic they would like to discuss?
    Strannik Zipper: well, one we could - earlier we were talking about how experience could be communicated, and came up with the idea of presence as communication
    Tarmel Udimo: would you like to say more?
    Strannik Zipper: I was thinking about the fact that such presence cannot be reduced to anything (words, gestures, energy, etc.)
    Tarmel Udimo: you mean it has to be experienced?
    Strannik Zipper: I would say that the experience of presence goes beyond what may be identified by the intellect alone
    Tarmel Udimo: agree
    Tarmel Udimo: so presence communicating?
    Strannik Zipper: we were talking about how when someone communicates their experience in such a way, it can change the person receiving the communication
    Tarmel Udimo: oral transmission
    Strannik Zipper: right, but sometimes it can even be wordless
    Tarmel Udimo: yes i think this is very powerful
    Tarmel Udimo: being in the presence of someone who is centred in Being
    Strannik Zipper: for example, when you meet someone with a concentrated attention, calm and vibrant, it changes the entire atmosphere around the communication
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: its great to be in the presence of someone like that
    Tarmel Udimo: I think they have to be experiencing it themselves its not an intelectual thing
    Strannik Zipper: exactly - and then they can transmit in a non-intellectual way
    Tarmel Udimo: and you can hear when someone speaks from mind and when someone speaks from Being
    Tarmel Udimo: or as you have pointed out transmit without speaking
    Tarmel Udimo: have you encountered this either of you?
    sophia Placebo: i guess
    Strannik Zipper: I have in a few different contexts
    Tarmel Udimo: would you both like to say more?
    Tarmel Udimo: in PaB we try to look at our actual exepriences which is why I am asking
    sophia Placebo: i'm trying to transfer it to words :)
    Tarmel Udimo: nods:)
    Tarmel Udimo: I feel that very strongly when Pema speaks, even though its in chat, I get a very strong sense of something being transmitted
    sophia Placebo: ear fall in love befor the eye : thats what i experiance in sl , though it might not be -love- but getting comfort around some people more than others
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Strannik Zipper: hmmmm
    sophia Placebo: if i get the idea of it
    Strannik Zipper: I would suspect that different people are attuned to different things - for one it might be the quality of voice
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Strannik Zipper: for another, the quality of the gaze, or the way the person moves
    Strannik Zipper: for another, what is actually said, etc.
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: and also where we are at ourselves
    Strannik Zipper: A person with a strong presence, will manifest that in several different ways that will affect people differently
    Tarmel Udimo: true prescence seems to be able to communicate with everyone at their own level
    Tarmel Udimo: heheh we have said the same thing
    Strannik Zipper: it is communicated through relationship
    Strannik Zipper: and perhaps the ultimate is the relationship to being - to experience the presence of being itself
    Tarmel Udimo: yes it is the ultimate relationship:)
    Tarmel Udimo: what about your experiences Strannik?
    Strannik Zipper: well, there have been some amazing meetings with saints and zen masters, but really every meeting is special if I am paying attention
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: was there one that really struck home?
    Strannik Zipper: I'm trying to think of one of the more extraordinary ones
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: or one that really affected your heart:)
    Strannik Zipper: right
    Strannik Zipper: I have some friends that are monks
    Strannik Zipper: I have gone a few times to try to talk about some problems with one
    Strannik Zipper: but as soon as I got in his presence, all of the problems dissolved in me like a cloud
    Tarmel Udimo: nice
    Strannik Zipper: sort of embarrassing, because the he asked me "what did you want to talk about" and I think I said "never mind" :)
    Tarmel Udimo: grins
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: did the problems dissolve?
    Strannik Zipper: yes - instantly
    Tarmel Udimo: or was it your attitude that changed after sitting with the monk?
    Strannik Zipper: I was exposed to that higher presence, and they just dissolved
    Strannik Zipper: a lot of such problems are just thoughts
    Tarmel Udimo: so were the problems internal worrying?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I agree
    Strannik Zipper: worrying, calculating, thinking, all of the usual suspects
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahaha
    Strannik Zipper: one of the things that intense presence does, is quiet the mind
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: and we can see clearly
    sophia Placebo: peace in heart
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Strannik Zipper: right
    Tarmel Udimo: very nice
    Tarmel Udimo: we try to do that without the prescence
    Tarmel Udimo: see what is real and what are just thoughts creating a disturbance
    Tarmel Udimo: muddying up the clarity of what IS
    Strannik Zipper: righ
    Strannik Zipper: +t
    sophia Placebo: i g2g , nice to mee you strannik
    Strannik Zipper: nice to meet you
    Tarmel Udimo: bye Sophia
    sophia Placebo: bye tramel
    Strannik Zipper: I've got to get going as well - thanks for being here
    Tarmel Udimo: I must go too
    Tarmel Udimo: nice to see you again Strannik
    Tarmel Udimo: see you next time
    Strannik Zipper: I'll be back here frequently I think
    Tarmel Udimo: yes these sessions are great and always diferent
    Strannik Zipper: I'm discovering that!
    Tarmel Udimo: yes it depends on the people the mood of the day:)
    Tarmel Udimo: all good
    Strannik Zipper: right
    Tarmel Udimo: bye for now
    Strannik Zipper: have a good evening, or whatever it is where you are :)

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