2010.05.04 13:00 - Abort....Retry....Fael

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by the very same gal.

Agatha Macbeth: Bonsoir cher Recorder, encore une fois...

--BELL (1300)--

Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Berti :)
Bertram Jacobus: hy agatha :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Everything seems to be rezzing black instead of grey tonight
Agatha Macbeth: Strange
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i didn´t have that
Bertram Jacobus: did not see such
Bertram Jacobus: hey cal ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Cal
Calvino Rabeni: Salutations - Bert and Agatha
Bertram Jacobus: salve, ave and hello ;-)
Calvino Rabeni: How's the air?
Bertram Jacobus: air ?
Agatha Macbeth: If I may say so Cal, the hat doesn't seem to match the robes :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, kind of - monk-fioso I suppose. You are entirely right.
Bertram Jacobus: but i like the contrary, may be even a seemingly contrary - or - the combination ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Agatha Macbeth laughs @ monk-fioso
Agatha Macbeth: 'I'm a gonna give you a koan you canna refuse!'
Calvino Rabeni: The word "mafia" is one of those worldwide generic words, like, "OK"
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Calvino Rabeni: :) Aga
Agatha Macbeth: The true Mafia is only from Sicily, no?
Bertram Jacobus: or "taxi" ;-)
Calvino Rabeni: "Bye Bye" works pretty well nearly everywhere too
Agatha Macbeth: Taxi Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: yes also in many countries same word

A mad hatter rezzes on top of me

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku, er...Sartre :)
Sartre Placebo: hey everyone, just on the way through
Bertram Jacobus: hello monsieur sartre
Agatha Macbeth: You seem to be standing on me!
Calvino Rabeni: And some kind of near-biological universals like - Mae and Pa (thai for Mother and Father)
Agatha Macbeth: Ma and Pa

'Monsieur Sartre' poofs

Agatha Macbeth: Hey, where did he go?
Calvino Rabeni: Either it was biological, or there is some unknown proto-language
Bertram Jacobus: on his way to eternity ... ;-)
Calvino Rabeni: Maybe sudden vertigo
Agatha Macbeth: Well, languages do borrow a lot from each other
Calvino Rabeni: Like Taxi
Calvino Rabeni: But Ma and Pa are of ancient provenance
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth nods

The wonderfully-named LovesChocolate Macpherson appears

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, welcome back LC :)
Calvino Rabeni: Not too many philosophers or therapists think within the space in which word and image are primal, somewhat like a creation story
Bertram Jacobus: hy love ! *wave*
Agatha Macbeth: Philosophers and therapists: now *there* is a combination!
Agatha Macbeth: As if Philosophers and Buddhists aren't bad enough :)
Calvino Rabeni: A modern symptom to find their divergence.
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: How are you LC?
LovesChocolate Macpherson: i'm good hun, how're you?
Calvino Rabeni: What do we think, they have a common ancestor of some kind of shaman, or witch-doctor :)
Agatha Macbeth: Fine, thank you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Who, philosophers and Buddhists?
Calvino Rabeni: The doctor of the soul, and the seeker of worldly wisdom

--BELL (1315)--

Bertram Jacobus: hey qt ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: ah
Agatha Macbeth: Buona sera QT :)
LovesChocolate Macpherson: if it's complicated, i can't integrate it
LovesChocolate Macpherson: hi Qt
Qt Core: hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you Mr Morpork ;-)
Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, well one thing that is really complicated, is the flavor of chocolate
Qt Core: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: How is it complicated Cal?
Qt Core: its wide spectrum from evilly sweet white one to 99% extra darm almost dusty
Calvino Rabeni: To me, it's the kind of "brown" of flavors, like if you mix lots of paint colors together you get brown.
Calvino Rabeni: It has hints of everything in it
Agatha Macbeth smiles. Yes, I know what you mean
Agatha Macbeth: In art class at school everything seemed to end up brown
Agatha Macbeth: Kind of pot-pourri
Agatha Macbeth: Everything thrown in
Calvino Rabeni: And lately there's a plethora - an abundance - of chocolate flavors presented in nearly any market
Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I like dark chocolate best...
Calvino Rabeni: With many small companies involved
Agatha Macbeth: Not quite so sickly tasting
Calvino Rabeni: World conventions, tastings, it's getting like "wine"
LovesChocolate Macpherson: like mole
Calvino Rabeni: But it is easier for a small operation to accomplish
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, wine...now you're talking :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mole LC?
LovesChocolate Macpherson: mexican savory choclate sauce pronounced molay
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right, don't know that one
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds nice
Qt Core: may i add Nutella ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: If you wish QT :)
LovesChocolate Macpherson: it's lovely, usually poured over chicken but for us vegetarians, it can go on anything
Agatha Macbeth: I'll stick to chicken thanks ;-)
LovesChocolate Macpherson: and it's spicy
Agatha Macbeth is a carnivore
LovesChocolate Macpherson: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Everything is spicy these days...
Qt Core: but many vegan recipes are good even for carnivores, especially if chicolate is involved ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Especially here in the UK, cos of Indian influence
Agatha Macbeth: Yes QT!
Calvino Rabeni: It's back to "word" and "image" actually - in that our ability to discriminate in the moment, far outpaces memory, thus language enters to give reference to the subtle distinctions that otherwise would be completely ephemeral
Calvino Rabeni: Flavors, colours, other qualities
Agatha Macbeth: You spelt 'colours' the British way then Cal ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: But yes, I see what you mean
Calvino Rabeni: It rolls off the tongue better that way, Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: True!
Agatha Macbeth: Do you consider yourself a Buddhist then LC?
Agatha Macbeth: Or something similar?
LovesChocolate Macpherson: i don't adhere to any religions, my spirtuality is based upon present moment awareness only...try to keep it simple
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: I was just wondering how you found Play-as-Being?
LovesChocolate Macpherson: i saw it in a friend's profile hehe...is this a buddhist discussion?
Agatha Macbeth: Well actually, no
Agatha Macbeth: There are many of such persuasion here

--BELL (1330)--

Agatha Macbeth: But it is generally people of many different ideas and backgrounds
LovesChocolate Macpherson: what is your persuasion Agatha?
Qt Core: gream move Bertram ;-)
Qt Core: great
Agatha Macbeth: Well I am actually Catholic myself! :)

Bert does the Wol trick of cushion-hopping...

LovesChocolate Macpherson: he balanced out the five points of our pentagram :))
Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes I ask myself - if I were not "nothing", would I prefer to be Catholic or Buddhist?
LovesChocolate Macpherson: and what do you answer to yourself?
Agatha Macbeth was going to ask the same thing! :))
Bertram Jacobus: ty qt ;-) - sry - was distracted ;-)
LovesChocolate Macpherson: we're already in synch Agatha :)
Bertram Jacobus: and hy zon :-)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Zon Quar: no text
Zon Quar: ah lagg, helloo
LovesChocolate Macpherson: i'm off to work, lunch break is over...sigh
LovesChocolate Macpherson: thanks all.....namaste and bless you
Bertram Jacobus: cu love
Qt Core: bye lc have a nice afternoon
Agatha Macbeth: Aw, be sure to come back won't you?
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
Calvino Rabeni: Goodbye Mac, be well :)
Calvino Rabeni: Two macs I guess, I meant "Loves"
LovesChocolate Macpherson: it's a big chocolately mac
Agatha Macbeth: Apple Mac?
LovesChocolate Macpherson: good day to you guys :)
Agatha Macbeth waves
Bertram Jacobus: ty again love ...
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Liz :))
Bertram Jacobus: and hy eliza :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha, Calvino, Bert, Zon, Qt, Loves
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: One departs, one arrives....
Eliza Madrigal: keeping the balance
Bertram Jacobus: must be a station ... ;-)
Zon Quar: hi
Calvino Rabeni: One could ask "what would Storm do"?
Qt Core: hi Eliza

I make a query about Eliza's tag

Agatha Macbeth: I've been meaning to ask for a long time, what is a Siworae?
Eliza Madrigal: It means "love beyond/outside of time and space'
Eliza Madrigal: as I understand it
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Calvino Rabeni: I know what I want it to be
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a group then?
Eliza Madrigal: There is a film... Il Mare
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, its a group based on a little house I rent
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I've heard of it
Eliza Madrigal: well, right now not a house... just a hammock by the sea
Bertram Jacobus: sry i´ll leave - have a great time all, ty for the talk and may all beings be happy please !
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't it near Mugunghwa?
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Berti
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bert, nice to see you
Agatha Macbeth: Thought it sounded familiar
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bertram Jacobus: ty again :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to have interrupted the discussion
Calvino Rabeni: Not at all Eliza, you are the discussion :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, what were we talking about?
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Chocolate?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, sorry about that too if so
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: but I do like chocolate :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting tag bert was wearing
Eliza Madrigal: 'playing as enlightened'
Calvino Rabeni: A "Siworae" is a mythical, or maybe real, race of female beings, not completely different from naiads, of which Eliza is a paradigm case.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, water nymphs?
Calvino Rabeni: They are generally hard to catch, by the way
Eliza Madrigal: really? Hm... so then why have I been calling it love...
Calvino Rabeni: And if you catch one, she will deny membership in that group
Eliza Madrigal: lazy I guess :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth turns to Google
Eliza Madrigal giggles, Will she?
Calvino Rabeni: What speaketh the Oracle, Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, thought so
Agatha Macbeth: In Greek mythology, the Naiads or Naiades (from the Greek "to flow," and "running water") were a type of nymph who presided over fountains, wells, springs, streams, and brooks[1]. They are distinct from river gods, who embodied rivers, and the very ancient spirits that inhabited the still waters of marshes, ponds and lagoon-lakes, such as pre-Mycenaean Lerna in the Argolid. Naiads were associated with fresh water, as the Oceanids were with saltwater and the Nereids specifically with the Mediterranean, but because the Greeks thought of the world's waters as all one system, which percolated in from the sea in deep cavernous spaces within the earth, there was some overlap. Arethusa, the nymph of a spring, could make her way through subterranean flows from the Peloponnesus, to surface on the island of Sicily.
Agatha Macbeth: Lovely :)

--BELL (1345)--

Agatha Macbeth: Not familiar with the term 'Siworae' tho
Eliza Madrigal wonders... dare to change shirts hare? Hah...no think I won't :) You get the idea, tho
Eliza Madrigal: hare=here
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, 'Time transcending love' eh?
Eliza Madrigal: its a beautiful word

(And Eliza is a beautiful person!)

Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Liz, change shirts?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... something better suiting my tail
Agatha Macbeth: I missed that one...
Agatha Macbeth: Are you becoming a mermaid?
Eliza Madrigal: a shirt wearing one
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal: So Calvino are your wandering adventures over for a bit?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes for the time they are, it is on to a new phase
Calvino Rabeni: Spring is in the air
Eliza Madrigal: new phase? intrigue... mystery
Agatha Macbeth: (Boing)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: The rebirth of Calvino?
Calvino Rabeni: I go to this part of the world at the start of May, then hike to the high ridges
Calvino Rabeni: Where the snow is just receding
Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh, sounds lovely
Calvino Rabeni: The area is a national monument ( a US public land designation ) based on biodiversity
Agatha Macbeth: Where abouts actually Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: The hills are lush green, with areas of purple
Agatha Macbeth: What is the actual location?
Calvino Rabeni: http://maps.google.com/maps/place?ci...,0&z=9&iwloc=A
Agatha Macbeth: (Oh god)
Calvino Rabeni: It takes a big link to get more "actual" :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the Cascade range...
Calvino Rabeni: Just north of the border of the state of California in the US
Agatha Macbeth: Kenneth Arnold and all that :)
Calvino Rabeni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade...ional_Monument
Calvino Rabeni: Oh let us strike that earlier link from the Log :)

No! ;-)

Agatha Macbeth: Is Mount Shasta round about there?
Eliza Madrigal: :) how wonderful.... 'out' in the open and yet enclosed 'in' nature
Calvino Rabeni: Yes you can see Shasta to the south, Oregon to the north
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, wow
Eliza Madrigal: Need to get going... and find a place to change :)) Nice to see you all
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, bye Liz :((
Calvino Rabeni: Can't you change in the pool here?

At this moment, another water nymph appears, but I can't see her yet

Fael Illyar: Oh, Hi & bye Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Calvino you're quite the inspiration... never staying still :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha, one would think
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi and Bye Fael! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Fael :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
Qt Core: hi Fael... wow
Calvino Rabeni: (Note to Storm - please make pool deep enough for discreet changes of clothing)
Agatha Macbeth: Well she could change and come back!

And enter Wol stage left...

Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)
Wol Euler: evening all
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Wol :))
Qt Core: or just climb on the pavillion rooftop
Fael Illyar: discreet changes of clothing?
Qt Core: hi wol
Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah
Agatha Macbeth: You look very cloudy Fael
Fael Illyar: cloudy?
Wol Euler: unrezzed
Fael Illyar: I haven't rezzed for you?
Agatha Macbeth: Well, like a cloud in fact
Fael Illyar: let's hope rebake will help :)
Agatha Macbeth: (Drum roll....)

--BELL (1400)--

Calvino Rabeni: Fael, my laptop is getting pretty hot, trying to rez your outfit :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Calvino Rabeni: The fan just went to "overdrive"
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: well... after all she IS hot in that outfit ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: I can't see it yet!!!
Wol Euler: boom boom
Qt Core: great colours
Agatha Macbeth: DOH
Fael Illyar: ok, let's see if it helps, brb.
Wol Euler: hehehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Agatha Macbeth: Did I miss something good?
Qt Core: i have to go, bye all have fun
Fael Illyar: have fun Qt :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
Fael Illyar: I'm still not rezzed to you Aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Nope, fraid not
Wol Euler: nor me
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni thinks Fael looks complete
Agatha Macbeth: (This is getting quite frustrating now)
Wol Euler: well, let it go then. We will take it on faith that you really *are* Fael
Agatha Macbeth: Oh she's Fael alright :)
Fael Illyar: I'm starting to run out of options on how to get myself to rez for you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just can't see her properly
Fael Illyar: one more time going far away and returning then :P
Agatha Macbeth: Well this is annoying :(
Agatha Macbeth: I can see your hearts poofing and nothing else
Wol Euler: you might be able to resolve it by going into the appearance editor and making some tiny change
Fael Illyar: I just tried changing my shape around
Calvino Rabeni: You don't see the pelvic girdle of blue roses?
Wol Euler: modifying it, or putting on a different one?
Wol Euler: no
Fael Illyar: switching it
Wol Euler throws a cushion at you
Fael Illyar: I'll try appearance + change
Agatha Macbeth: I don't see anything but a cloud :(
Calvino Rabeni: Or the pussy willow buds?

At this moment, Fael finally rezzes in all her blue glory

Agatha Macbeth: Aha!!!!
Fael Illyar: finally?
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Calvino Rabeni: Or the sapphire tiara?
Wol Euler cheers
Agatha Macbeth: That was worth waiting for :))
Agatha Macbeth: Strangely enough we were just talking about water nymphs
Fael Illyar: meep! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Wol Euler: what a coincidence.
Fael Illyar: I must have sensed it :)
Calvino Rabeni: Or the upper-armlets of spiral nebulae?
Fael Illyar: I suddenly just felt like coming here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, Siworae and Naiads and such
Agatha Macbeth: Er, no Cal....
Calvino Rabeni: You heeded the Call, Fael :)
Agatha Macbeth zooms in closer
Agatha Macbeth: Well that certainly is something
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni wonders, what the caterpillar looks like in the earlier stage of this creature
Fael Illyar: caterpillar?
Agatha Macbeth: Morphogenesis :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, not doing wonders for my frame-rates tho ;-)
Fael Illyar: taking a free view of human reproduction process, you could view birthing a baby as a morphing phaze as well.
Agatha Macbeth: Well...er...yeah
Agatha Macbeth: I guess
Fael Illyar: I mean, there are creatures that make a chrysalis and then morph, leaving their old skin behind, dead.
Calvino Rabeni: Imagining nothing this gosssamer could form other than unfolding from a cocoon after being a chrysalis
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Fael Illyar: what if you viewed birthing a baby as similar?
Fael Illyar: even if the "old skin" continues living for quite a while after that.

--BELL (1415)--

Agatha Macbeth: Don't think humans have a larval phase, or do we?
Wol Euler: the first few hours after conception, perhaps?
Agatha Macbeth: A nymph to a dragonfly :)
Fael Illyar: I mean, it's difficult to say just when the mother and baby become separate creatures. Perhaps the answer is they don't :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Nature is wonderful....
Fael Illyar: ah, time for me to head out. Have fun Aggers, Wol, Cal :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, you only just rezzed :((
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, bye for now
Calvino Rabeni: Must ye fly so soon, Fael?
Fael Illyar: Sorry to be so fast :)
Wol Euler: bye Fael, swim well
Agatha Macbeth: Or fly, accordingly
Fael Illyar: was a very nice short moment here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Like a may fly ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh well...
Calvino Rabeni: Lives for a day
Agatha Macbeth: Damn, I never got the chance to ask her where she got it
Wol Euler: perhaps oak trees look at us and think what short lives we have, how purposeless and brief it must feel for us
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, 'from little acorns' and all that
Calvino Rabeni: The cyprus may pity the maple
Calvino Rabeni: But envy the Fern
Agatha Macbeth: Do trees pity each other?
Calvino Rabeni: Insofar as they appear intelligent, I suppose they must
Wol Euler: pehaps they are conversing all the time, at a speed far too slow for us to note
Agatha Macbeth nods
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I believe that very well the case
Agatha Macbeth: Like Ents
Wol Euler grins
Calvino Rabeni: They are known to warn their family members of approaching hazards
Agatha Macbeth: Trees are?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Wol Euler: fwooooo
Wol Euler: -f
Calvino Rabeni: They have a distributed immune system
Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps we do also
Agatha Macbeth: The sad thing is, there wouldn't be a lot they could do about it anyway
Agatha Macbeth: Rooted to the spot and all that
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, they alter their chemistry to resist specific insects
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, I've heard of that
Wol Euler: well, one might say that until about 2 centuries ago we were (socially) rooted too. Four hundred years ago, the majority of people probably didn't travel ten miles in their whole lives
Agatha Macbeth nods. Sounds a lot like me
Calvino Rabeni: Recently I went into a library at random, picked out a book at random, opened to a page at random, and got - "The world's largest organism is a 2300 acre fungus living in Oregon. It is as yet unnamed"
Agatha Macbeth: Holy crap
Wol Euler: oh, yes, I read about that on wikipedia recently.
Wol Euler: quite amazing
Agatha Macbeth: That's a *big* mushroom
Wol Euler: I wonder how old it is, or whether concepts like "old" are applicable
Wol Euler: perhaps it is constantly self-renewing, like those pairs of temples in Japan
Agatha Macbeth: Oregon sounds like quite a place
Calvino Rabeni: It is a "middle way" kind of place
Agatha Macbeth: 'Middle way'?
Calvino Rabeni: Sort of, just normal nature, that people forgot to completely take over
Agatha Macbeth: Ah...
Calvino Rabeni: There's nothing exactly dramatic
Agatha Macbeth: Best kind of nature :)

--BELL (1430)--

Calvino Rabeni: A few volcanos, one near here at 9200 feet looks like mt. fuji right now
Agatha Macbeth: What, massive fungi aren't dramatic? ;-)
Calvino Rabeni: Hidden in the earth, who knows what remains undiscovered? The life penetrates rock to distance of miles
Agatha Macbeth: DAAAAAAAAAAMN!
Agatha Macbeth: Well it sounds like a pretty interesting sorta place to me
Calvino Rabeni: Hidden, like, most of your own complex biome within your skin, resides in the digestive tract, containing more non-human cells than human
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Calvino Rabeni: All communicating and evolving faster than "we" ever could
Agatha Macbeth: Evolution is pretty amazing
Agatha Macbeth: DAAAAAAAAAAMN!
Agatha Macbeth: (Stop doing that)
Calvino Rabeni: I have to go do something mundane today
Wol Euler cheers
Calvino Rabeni: it has to do with a broken pipe and a trip to the hardware store
Agatha Macbeth: Mundane in Oregon???
Wol Euler: sounds like a film
Wol Euler: with meg ryan
Agatha Macbeth: Ow
Calvino Rabeni: Mundane means "worldly" doesn't it?
Agatha Macbeth: What does?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Latin 'mundus' = world
Wol Euler: with the suggestion of "unworthy", which I always found vaguely irritating
Wol Euler: "y'know, some of us do not want to be saints."
Calvino Rabeni: A broken irrigation pipe. The water in it probably originates on the snowfields of that volcanic peak
Calvino Rabeni: Agree, Wol
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Calvino Rabeni: as in "2 good 4 the earth"
Agatha Macbeth: Well yes
Wol Euler needs more tea, semi-afk
Calvino Rabeni: which seems somewhat derelict
Calvino Rabeni: OK then, I'm off to hardware-land, see you later :)
Wol Euler: bye cal, plumb well
Agatha Macbeth: take care Cal :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah. Well that was an interesting little session