2010.05.09 19:00 - Where does practice "come from"?

The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. Edited by Calvino Rabeni.
I liked this session, which sort of rubbed shoulders with a number of interesting topics of identity and practice.

Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening Calvino
Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Mitzi!
Calvino Rabeni: The weird event of the day was that my computer mouse exploded
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Wow! How explosive was the explosion?
Calvino Rabeni: Not bad, it went "Bang!" and the battery cover flew away
Calvino Rabeni: Then the batteries were completely dead
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Do you find any cosmic significance in the event?
Calvino Rabeni: No, not omen material
Mitzi Mimistrobell: DId you have a backup mouse, then?
Calvino Rabeni: Just one of those "thought I knew all the possibilities but was wrong" moments
Calvino Rabeni: No spare, have to use the pad on the laptop, meaning, go over there whenever something needs changing
Calvino Rabeni: A sudden lightning storm booted me from SL about the same time
Calvino Rabeni: Hmmm
Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes, the pad. kind of unsatisfactory
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sounds related to me!
Calvino Rabeni: Still short of "cosmic" though? :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Not unusual enough? What *would* make one think a coincidence or unusual occurrence to have unusual significance?
Calvino Rabeni: Your wish is my command, as they say...
Mitzi Mimistrobell: oh really?
Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps omens come in threes?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, kind of really :)
Calvino Rabeni: So what's in the air, or the aether?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well I finished my course ... not sure I want to talk about all this here but I want to talk to you about it ... let me think of an appropriate aspect
Calvino Rabeni: :) Yes "
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I see you are a "cultivator" ... of consciousness I believe. ?
Calvino Rabeni: It's a group label for playasbeing
Calvino Rabeni: I think they meant, something PaB guardians do
Mitzi Mimistrobell: So the metaphor of gardening has been on my mind ... I didn't realize that ... very nice though
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Mitzi Mimistrobell: How the simple actions and how we do them each day carve their groove in our psyche
Calvino Rabeni: Gardening provides a rich ground of metaphor, yes?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... as in neural networks ... each state provides the stage for the next to evolve from ... watching that ... planting seeds in terms of actions and focus that have effects on the next state, and so on ...
Calvino Rabeni: Maybe metaphors need to be preserved, like languages that are fading away
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'm inspired actually ...
Calvino Rabeni: Tell me please
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well , I feel that I can change and improve my daily state, that I have the toolsand attitude
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... to help generate more subtle and expanded, joyful and nuanced moments
Calvino Rabeni: That's nice to acknowledge, isn't it?
Calvino Rabeni: You said it really well too, in my opinion
Mitzi Mimistrobell: it's all originating in that first moment of awakening, being careful to move from there to stay body-aware, integrated, open
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, it's a relief. I had kind of felt I didn't have the right stuff to go there, and a sense of sadness or loss about that
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Now I feel like I have the tools and it's not so difficult. I'm in a rather good spot actually from where to approach cultivating that type of daily awareness.
Calvino Rabeni: I'm genuinely happy to hear about it, too
Mitzi Mimistrobell: You seem empathetic and sweet tonight ...
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Isn't it up to us, really, to discover we are at choice about this?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: It is at the beginning that concentration is important, for the beginning holds the seed of all that folows ... from the I Ching - No. 30 The clinking / FIre
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ha, the clinking!
Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes, to discover where we can make choices that have noticeable consequences
--BELL--
Mitzi Mimistrobell: JG Bennett said that basically we can't control anything except our attention.
Calvino Rabeni: How does it feel, kind of personal, or it goes beyond? I was thinking today of all the sources of help we have available
Calvino Rabeni: An abundance really
Calvino Rabeni: Maybe Bennett meant, the way it is all gated through attention
Mitzi Mimistrobell: sure
Mitzi Mimistrobell: It feels that is beyond the personal, but involves the personal
Calvino Rabeni: Or as in the christian saying - ask and ye shall receive
Calvino Rabeni: but not asking is, not having attention
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, the asking is the real mystery - it's not surprising that if one asks, you shall receive
Calvino Rabeni: :))
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... but, why do we ask in the first place? TO even be in an emotional or personaly place to *WISH* - one must believe it isn't so far away if one asks
Calvino Rabeni: The not asking - I suppose this is the same mystery
Calvino Rabeni: It looks like, the "wisher" is broken for people
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... not ready at that moment, or not in need
Calvino Rabeni: That is, when we're not in the emotional place to even ask
Calvino Rabeni: ... given up, resigned or whatever
Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes
Mitzi Mimistrobell: well, one can't always be asking or ready to receive .. it has its own rhythm
Mitzi Mimistrobell: like the seasons, like gardening, a time to plant, a time to water ... Ecclesiastes ...
Calvino Rabeni: At the same time, it seems, to ask, one *already* believes in the possibility
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, exactly! Open to possibilities, or to miracles even
Calvino Rabeni: which could be an example of (the sometimes maligned word) faith
Calvino Rabeni: The last page in CG Jung's recently published "Red Book"
Calvino Rabeni: "Possibilities" - standing on a page by itself
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Wow! I hadn't thought of that aspect of "faith" very interesting!
Calvino Rabeni: after all the analysis is said and done, that's the last word
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Really? Very lovely.
Calvino Rabeni: OR perhpas the first, arriving at the beginning finally
Mitzi Mimistrobell: In my class last night, were mentioned the five latifahs: faith, hope, joy, love and charity (I think)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... something about, each of the five has a specific location in the chest area
Calvino Rabeni: Um, not moral virtues, but emblematic of clear thinking
Mitzi Mimistrobell: say more?
Calvino Rabeni: only that an unhindered mind would have those as qualities of its nature, were it not for various hindrances
Calvino Rabeni: Although, by that I don't want to make them seem static
Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes!
Mitzi Mimistrobell: no worries I inferred no staticness
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: I try to sort out the aspects - what is appropriate for this circle and what isn't
Mitzi Mimistrobell: it occurs to me to wonder about the upbringing of the young boys who are destined to become lamas in Tibet - how they are raised and how their consciousness is conditioned
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... say, compared to a child in America. Of course there is huge variety among families.
Calvino Rabeni: I was curious about child rearing in buddhist thailand, so it was one thing I was trying to watch, cross-culturally as it were
Calvino Rabeni: how the values get transmitted
Mitzi Mimistrobell: what did you notice?
Calvino Rabeni: to ordinary people, not those who are believed to be headed for greatness
Calvino Rabeni: a bit like the I Ching - if a child makes a mistake, and there is awareness and a sincere apology, there is "no blame"
Calvino Rabeni: It seems clean, a sense of getting right back to a kind of "normal" after some transgression
Mitzi Mimistrobell: so they are kind in that way to their children?
Calvino Rabeni: No burden to carry either before or afterward
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I think our northern european origin dominated culture has some barbaric aspects
Calvino Rabeni: Well, I have known about abuse, beatings or whatever, often by mothers, but, also seen some kindness and clarity at work too
Mitzi Mimistrobell: that dismay me - punishment of kids, capital punishment
Mitzi Mimistrobell: and so many other things - seems so obvious that there is a better way
Mitzi Mimistrobell: or ought to be a better way, more nuanced, more compassionate
Calvino Rabeni: After all, many things kids do wrong, is done innocently or through misperception or mistake, not malice
Calvino Rabeni: those are important nuances
Mitzi Mimistrobell: well of course!
Calvino Rabeni: to preserve the innocence
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I was lucky in terms of my parents I think
Calvino Rabeni: I've been told, similar things to that
Calvino Rabeni: some fortunate things about it
Mitzi Mimistrobell: They were rebels against their own upbringing, so they deliberately just watched me
Calvino Rabeni: Well, I might have wanted a little more activism :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: and tried to let me develop as my own person
Calvino Rabeni: However, we might have these things in common, you and I
Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes?
Calvino Rabeni: There was a case where as a very young child, I pushed some other kid into the lake
Mitzi Mimistrobell: and what happened then?
Calvino Rabeni: I was not punished, because it had not at that age entered my mind as being a bad thing, but I was led then to apologize and put myself in the space of the other child
Calvino Rabeni: And honestly, I had no malice at the time
Calvino Rabeni: But needed to develop an imaginative capability of empathy
Calvino Rabeni: A teachable moment, I think they call it
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: sounds like good and normal parenting
Mitzi Mimistrobell: how old were you?
Calvino Rabeni: But, how many adults might be tempted to punish, as if, the child "should have already known it was wrong"
Calvino Rabeni: I think, maybe 2.5 years old
Mitzi Mimistrobell: exactly - the making of absurdly unwarranted assumptions
Mitzi Mimistrobell: 2.5 is very young
Calvino Rabeni: The loss of innocence as a child - I kind of remember that process
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: I tend to think, one goal of spirutual cultivation is to recover the parts of soul that went into hiding through those losses, and take them into a developed adult consciousness
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I do too - at nursery school, age 3.5 or so, I saw a kindergartener doing something mildly unkind to another child.
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I still recall the shock. Perhaps that was my moment, loss of innocence
Calvino Rabeni: That feeling of shock - I recall it too
Mitzi Mimistrobell: many people don't remember much from those years. It's interesting that you do.
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the adult persona gets pretty solid and hides the layers
Calvino Rabeni: accurate memory involves some sensitive energies
Calvino Rabeni: The note card I sent - is an author I revisit occasionally, who is / was able to see the developmental layers all at once
Mitzi Mimistrobell: hmmm - I would have to contemplate that, sounds right though at first glance
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I will read this later
Calvino Rabeni: My mother and I used to go to his workshops in the 70's
Calvino Rabeni: Sure, later is good, it's too long
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I met him once - he knew my father
Calvino Rabeni: Not surprising, he was an early "somatic" guy
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I just glanced at it though - seems like he is addressing some of my common complaints about language
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, those are common complaints. It is a good thing to find out a more nuanced view of language
Mitzi Mimistrobell: What was Akher Ahsen's main message?
Calvino Rabeni: His main message? Kind of like what came to be NLP later, about the structure of experience as layers of sensory modalities. He focued more on somatic and image - according to him, all experiences are a triplet, Image, Soma, and Meaning
Calvino Rabeni: But, there was more to him than that - that's the presented theory
Calvino Rabeni: but it was clear, he had present-time insight and a somewhat, I gues you's say, vedic sensibility that he didn't articulate
Calvino Rabeni: But the complexity and richness of his metaphoric language is one of the reasons I like reading his work.
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Is he still alive, do you know?
Calvino Rabeni: Not sure, he has some web sites like http://www.imagery-iia.com/subpgs/akhser/akhter.html#
Calvino Rabeni: I think so, but he must be old, like Eugene Gendlin
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'll check it out at some point .. who's Eugene Gendlin?
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: I might have mentioned him last time - another 70's era somatic therapist who was more a philopsopher, and spoke about the nature of language "outside the box" of supposedly static patterns, forms, properties etc.
Calvino Rabeni: There's a huge amount of stuff at his web site, all pretty good
Mitzi Mimistrobell: You are extremely knowledgeable in this realm ...
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.focusing.org/
Calvino Rabeni: Thinking Beyond Patterns is one highlight
Calvino Rabeni: I've just been following it a long time - had the advantage of being introduced to the developing stuff in my youth by elders in my family
Calvino Rabeni: The Image, Soma, Meaning cluster, idea is relevant to practices of nature meditation
Calvino Rabeni: It is a sweet time of year for that - spring time
Calvino Rabeni: (if you live in the northern hemisphere of course)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: oh yes! I've been so enjoying the spring here. I have lots of pix but havenn't posted them yet
Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to be able to take time to make a survey of the different methods that are used
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... some are exquisite - snow on tiny buds, tender hot-green shoots
Calvino Rabeni: Hello Lucinda :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sounds like a great project
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, exquisite is the word
Lucinda Lavender: Hello Cal, Mitzi
Lucinda Lavender: Just wanted to say hello.
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Hey Lucinda ( I typed Luscine if it's of interest ...!)
Calvino Rabeni: I've invited a friend or two to do this with me, we go out, and then, hopefully, can discuss or reflect upon it
Lucinda Lavender: oops
Calvino Rabeni: OR if not, at least, we get so much from doing it
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Hey there
Calvino Rabeni: How are you, Lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: my screen went to green
Lucinda Lavender: I am ok now...
Calvino Rabeni: I keep wanting to call you Cinda for short, would that be OK :) ?
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Lucinda Lavender: I had a dream circle in 2L
Calvino Rabeni: People get nicknames here
Lucinda Lavender: today and Eliza came
Lucinda Lavender: what was that about a short?
Calvino Rabeni: Nice - I am always happy for these overlapping circles
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Lucinda Lavender: do you need a short name for me?
Calvino Rabeni: Some use Luci
Calvino Rabeni: I like Cinda
Lucinda Lavender: that is fine...
Lucinda Lavender: Cinda is better perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: what is yours Mitzi?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: OK I can call you Cinda too.
Lucinda Lavender: sure!
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well Mitzi is short already!
Lucinda Lavender: I thought so too...
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Especially compared to the last name "mimistrobell"
Lucinda Lavender: Does it feel nice to you both to be called a short name?
Lucinda Lavender: It does me...
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Mitzi is still fresh to me since I haven't been on SL so very often ... so I like it as is
Calvino Rabeni: Cal is fine
Lucinda Lavender: Cal is like Call
Calvino Rabeni: All you gotta do is Cal :)
Lucinda Lavender: right
Calvino Rabeni: I had something potentially of interest to both of you
Lucinda Lavender: ?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: do tell! Call!
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Calvino Rabeni: A friend, who lives in Hawaii, someone who as done many studies and workshops, recently completed, with rave reviews, a class that reaches towards self realization through
Calvino Rabeni: (drum roll)
Calvino Rabeni: Rock And Roll
Lucinda Lavender: :)
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: No, this was not one of the (at least three known) 4th-way schools whose teachers play rock music as a teaching method
Mitzi Mimistrobell: (laughing)
Calvino Rabeni: actually it came from the Osho group
Calvino Rabeni: Another school with an emphasis on expression
Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... through performing rock and roll, or listening to it, or what?
Calvino Rabeni: Performing
Lucinda Lavender: Interesting...
Calvino Rabeni: The class culminates in performing in a rock band in front of a big audience
Lucinda Lavender: wow
Mitzi Mimistrobell: how does the self-realization come into the mix?
Calvino Rabeni: A real, pretty good band - the class members sing
Calvino Rabeni: Developing expression from depths you may not have been in touch with or aware of, or perhaps, something from personal or transpersonal "shadow"
Mitzi Mimistrobell: sure! I get it
Calvino Rabeni: Or you could say, really enlarging the "circile" of self with new qualitative capacities
Calvino Rabeni: They'd do lots of songs, with different qualities, and give full presence to the spirit
Mitzi Mimistrobell: probably the skill of the instructor is a key factor
Calvino Rabeni: Yes...I've not done that class - I will if it comes to my area and I have the $$$
Lucinda Lavender: yes...harmonizing with each other and the audience...I must go for now...I will ponder it.
Calvino Rabeni: But I've done a similar weekend wokshop with voice / singing / expressivity
Mitzi Mimistrobell: nice to see you, Cinda!
Lucinda Lavender: :) yes and nice to see you Mitzi.
Calvino Rabeni: Alwasy great to see you Cinda
Mitzi Mimistrobell: you have Cal? How are you doing with your previous shyness?
Lucinda Lavender: :) lots of smiles for me today!
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Smiles!
Calvino Rabeni: See you Cinda!
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Good deal with the dream circle, too :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Calvino Rabeni: To answer your previous question, I think a certain part of a spiritual path is "working against type"
Mitzi Mimistrobell: uh huh...
Calvino Rabeni: I'ts one of those things that "seems imppssible" but isn't really
Mitzi Mimistrobell: you don't seem very shy online
Calvino Rabeni: Well, maybe not offline either
Mitzi Mimistrobell: really!!?! That's nice
Calvino Rabeni: Do we have attention to chat a bit about "nature meditation"?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: absolutely!
Calvino Rabeni: There seem to be certain basic important principles
Calvino Rabeni: If you were to develop a practice - or try to pass it on, how to do it
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'm listening
Calvino Rabeni: Comparing notes could be a good thing
--BELL--
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I have some notes actually
Calvino Rabeni: Probably most basic is of course, the belief that it is worthwhile to do, and starting to get an experience of how much it can energize oneself
Mitzi Mimistrobell: one might need the conceptual groundwork to gain that belief
Calvino Rabeni: That would help, but also, maybe just willing to go ont on a limb and do something that doesn't necessarioly make sense to western philosiophy, and see how it feels
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well, I don't believe in trying to get people who are not interested in a topic to be interested in it.
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I think it's best to respond to an active interest from someone. Saves a lot of trouble.
Calvino Rabeni: Well they might be receptive, suppose they love hanging out in natural settings anyway
Calvino Rabeni: and maybe have a meditation practce or so
Calvino Rabeni: but never considered how those could combine
Calvino Rabeni: Nor considered meditation as an "in-taking" rather than some kind of calming or "getting rid of" procedure
Calvino Rabeni: Or they might have pagan influences, etc.
Mitzi Mimistrobell: you are correct, it is a bit of a foreign concept
Calvino Rabeni: Any of those could provide an attraction
Calvino Rabeni: To learn a new dance form of consciousness
Calvino Rabeni: An appreciation for beauty, for instance
Mitzi Mimistrobell: It seems you are concerned about promotion of the idea more than instruction ...
Calvino Rabeni: Only that, instruction requires some kind of bridge to existing interests and desires
Calvino Rabeni: OK, so it can be related to what people already know
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes ...
Calvino Rabeni: And that isn't selling, just making it make sense
Calvino Rabeni: Let's imagine then, that worked.
Calvino Rabeni: As for practice / instruction?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sounds good!
Calvino Rabeni: They're kind of the same, when people are past the beginning stage of anyything, to be learning to instruct oneself
Calvino Rabeni: One of the keys I'd say, is pretty fundamental, which is to be able to have open attention with some sensitivity
Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps to drop the feeling of sentimentality
Mitzi Mimistrobell: objectivity
Calvino Rabeni: Like, it's a beautiful sunset - let that not be a cliche, but an experience
Mitzi Mimistrobell: the observer aspect
Calvino Rabeni: RIght, objectivity - that is, to allow what is there to be the thnng that affects one, rather than having in advance, an idea of how one wants it to make one feel (which I'd call sentimentality)
Calvino Rabeni: Paradise must be nearby - hello !
Paradise Tennant: hiya cal .. mitzi :)
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Mitz, that was a good call - objectivity
Paradise Tennant: the late late late session :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening Paradise
Calvino Rabeni: For you, certainly late - how are you?
Paradise Tennant: well thanks .. just eating dinner .. and you two ?
Calvino Rabeni: Having a good time - we were discussing nature meditation
Paradise Tennant: smiles
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: I got a new angle on it the other day from a different teacher - who simply said - ask yourself a question, let it sit in your heart, then go outside for a long walk, and be alert, and let "nature" answer the question in some unexpected way.
Paradise Tennant: stood by a lilac bush this afternoon after taking my mom to lunch .. just being open .. to the scent .. the beauty .. was a lovely day here
Calvino Rabeni: So what have you been doing lately Paradise, if you'd like to mention anything here :)
Paradise Tennant: hmm not much that would be of interest really .. just working .. and more working :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I like that practice very much, Calvino, that you just described
Calvino Rabeni: Oh, out of sequence question / answer - thanks
Calvino Rabeni: I found a white lilac yesterday - they carry a different feeling than the rose
Calvino Rabeni: Delicate, kind of happy and lighthearted
Calvino Rabeni: is my impression of it, maybe not a passion like the rose
Paradise Tennant: nods when I was a kid we had a huge lilac bush in our backyard ..I could crawl in the base of it and sit there which I often did .. magical when it was in bloom but nice even when not :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I smelled a white lilac this morning myself.
Calvino Rabeni: I love that image of being inside it.
Calvino Rabeni: Ah, yesterday I was noticing the mints along the trail
Calvino Rabeni: I'd pinch the leaf then be rewarded - a spearmint I think
Paradise Tennant: was really nice . we had a big apple tree too . beautiful in the spring when it was in bloom .. use to climb to the top branches then jump up and grap an armful of the tender new branches at the top and swing in the wind .. not always that easy to get down but sheer joy .. to fee the movement :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: sounds delightful
Paradise Tennant: *feel
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: So, this is still available to adults, eh? :)))
Calvino Rabeni: Kids are pretty courageous with going fully into different experiences !
Paradise Tennant: much easier when you only weigh about 70 lbs :) I was about 9 at the time :)
Paradise Tennant: yes .. hadn't had any falls :)
Paradise Tennant: so no fear of falling
Calvino Rabeni: for the tree swinging yes
Paradise Tennant: actually .. fear is a learned program . one I think we could largely do without :)
Calvino Rabeni: I certainly agree :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: I enjoyed lots of tree climinbing as well ...your description was very vivid, Paradise, very enjoyable.
Paradise Tennant: sometimes useful but mostly not
Calvino Rabeni: All kinds of crazy reluctance - we could do without
Paradise Tennant: smiles ..was listening to gil frondal talk of nature meditation yesterday .. he spoke of standing by a tree and sharing the tree's perspective .. when you are kid that is just so much more directly accessible :)
Calvino Rabeni: The closest I came to an experience of flying, was, once having climbed a mountain covered with slide alder, I found it was possible just to LEAP off into space, and be caught by the branches below, and then to repeat that again and again
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: that would be fun!
Calvino Rabeni: Before you came, we were talking about how to re-open that kind of experiences for adults
Mitzi Mimistrobell: what is slide alder?
Calvino Rabeni: I kind of tree, whth lots of branches pointing downhill, like a sor tof net or trampoline
Calvino Rabeni: very springy, like the safety net under a circus trapeze
Mitzi Mimistrobell: that is amazing, being caught by branches as you describe! I never heard of such a thing. How nice!
Calvino Rabeni: Well surely memorable - never to be repeated actually
Calvino Rabeni: A trust in "mother nature will catch me if I leap off this abyss" was part of it
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: Paradise, do you have a pointer to that audiodharma talk?
Paradise Tennant: sure
Paradise Tennant: http://www.audiodharma.org/talks-gil.html
Paradise Tennant: that is the full list let me pull up my itunes library because I downloaded my favs - I will get you the title
Calvino Rabeni: I have enjoyed a few of them. Which had the "tree"?
Calvino Rabeni: Ah, thanks
Paradise Tennant: oooo blinking ... I think the nature of all things but I played all my downloaded ones yesterday while I was cleaning house .. not sure which one I suspect "the nature of all things"
Calvino Rabeni: Is thee a podcast Itunes feed for these too?
Calvino Rabeni: If so I'll just subscribe
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Paradise Tennant: the default download location is itunes .
Paradise Tennant: I do not see a feed ?
Paradise Tennant: like his talks a lot .. Mitizi this is an american zen master who has studied for 30 years ..he is easy to listen to and has a lovely sense of humor :)
Calvino Rabeni: I have heard a few
Calvino Rabeni: I liked the one on "Energy" as a force of awakening
Paradise Tennant: smiles ..while that was the last munch of my cheese sandwich ..the dog got most of the cheese.. I should scoot.. almost 12.30 pm here ...
Paradise Tennant: thanks for the chat ..nice to see you again mitzi :)
Paradise Tennant: namaste :)
Paradise Tennant: lol that would 12.30 am :)
Calvino Rabeni: Good seeing you Paradise :)
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Namaste
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: Well, Let us close the session OK?
Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening Calvino, I must off
Calvino Rabeni: Bye, thanks for coming - CU