2010.05.26 19:00 - Love Chicken

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

Although the session's title was just mentioned in passing, it was difficult to pass up.  Most of the discussion was about urban environments in RL and SL and what contributes to their success and in come cases their demise.  

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lexi
stevenaia Michinaga: .... 3 day old Lexi dissappears
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Cal
stevenaia Michinaga: we must keep the same hours
Calvino Rabeni: live in the same continent ...
Calvino Rabeni: I rarely attend 7am meets here though, do you?
stevenaia Michinaga: no
stevenaia Michinaga: I;m usually begining work
stevenaia Michinaga: unless it;s a special occasion/event
Calvino Rabeni: So you can log on SL from wherever Work happens
stevenaia Michinaga: have laptop will travel, I use the same machne for work and play, as it should be
Calvino Rabeni: Travel for work?
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: no, I plug into the internet at work, or the coffeeshop for lunch if I have time to relax
stevenaia Michinaga: I work in a small enough town where you can meet people you need to talk to just by being "around"
Calvino Rabeni: That's nice, I like living in a small town (which I do part-time)
stevenaia Michinaga: have coffee in the morning and the Mayor may walk in
stevenaia Michinaga: intend to call someone in the PM and your paths cross over lunch
Calvino Rabeni: This town is about 20,000; how about yours?
stevenaia Michinaga: there are few enough "good " places that everyone knows where they are
Calvino Rabeni: It's good to encounter the same people spontaneously
stevenaia Michinaga: about 26,000
Calvino Rabeni: it gives a sense of place and community
stevenaia Michinaga: *about
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, what people try to do in corporate archtiecture, create city life
Calvino Rabeni: And very convenient - all you need is a couple minutes away, either by foot or car or bike
stevenaia Michinaga: although it;s a 20 minute drive from where I live, I can take a bus 3 block from home and be left off 2 blocks from my office (and 50 minutes later plus the walk
stevenaia Michinaga: sometims I take the bus, when it;s very hot or very snowy
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lexi
stevenaia Michinaga: Join us?
stevenaia Michinaga: It's nice to have option in how you move from here to there
Calvino Rabeni: It's gotten linked by internet now too
stevenaia Michinaga: walk to lunch, coose from Carribian, Mexican, Italian, Japanese, all within walking distance
Calvino Rabeni: There's a city-wide WiFI
stevenaia Michinaga: in most places
stevenaia Michinaga: so you're never far, even the parks in town ahve free wireless
stevenaia Michinaga: hello, plave have a seat
stevenaia Michinaga: please
stevenaia Michinaga: do you need assistance
stevenaia Michinaga: when a town is small enough to walk, you often encounter interesting people every day
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it can work in urban areas too, but only with some arrangements and luck
Calvino Rabeni: I still remember the first person I saw here in 1996, when I encounter him on the street or in the park
stevenaia Michinaga: Lexi, we record what is said here, it it ok to include your words?
Calvino Rabeni: Hello Dao
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Dao
Lexi Sparrowtree: ok
Dao Yheng: Hi Calvino, Stevenaia and Lexi
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you, I gave you a notecard with some information about what we do here

--BELL--

Dao Yheng: Gentlemen, thanks for letting me sit quietly here for a bit -- I'm off to bed!
Calvino Rabeni: Very welcome Dao
stevenaia Michinaga: night Dao, nice meeting you
Dao Yheng: Good night :)!
Calvino Rabeni: Dao is in Ways of Knowing
stevenaia Michinaga: a group that meets at an inconvenient time for me
stevenaia Michinaga: me
Calvino Rabeni: during the workday then
Calvino Rabeni: 2:30 pm Thursday
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, says it meets Sundays
Calvino Rabeni: MM, it moved time slots
stevenaia Michinaga: hard to keep up
stevenaia Michinaga: nice that PaB is always here
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, like an always-open diner
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I know orginally the Kera Cafe was to be a hub of activity, but I haven't been there in quite some time, is it strictly events driven?
Calvino Rabeni: It's hardly used - I think, a few workshops meet there per week
Calvino Rabeni: RIght, it would be great if it were a social center one could drop into spontaneously with good expectation of something interesting happening
stevenaia Michinaga: there used to be SIM here that was like that, always active, sometiems interesting, but then the owner pulled the plug
Calvino Rabeni: Hmmm, I wonder if there's a technology aid possible to get that to happen
Calvino Rabeni: What SIM?
stevenaia Michinaga: it was the right mix
stevenaia Michinaga: Mill Pond, it as created by someone in charge of the virtual ... worlds at Penn State University
stevenaia Michinaga: thinks got out of hand for her so she just closed it down, interesting how that can happen here
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: one moment a thiving community, the next, poof
Calvino Rabeni: How did it get out of hand?
stevenaia Michinaga: I think it bacam so popular the grifters moved in and made things uncivil, I missed much of that, but I knew many people who rented homes and stores and were given a months notice (I think)
Calvino Rabeni: No police then :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Once you have to police all the reports of such things the joy of creation may be lost
Calvino Rabeni: The utopian idea of a police-free state doesn't seem to be workable
Calvino Rabeni: Even in a "start from scratch" reality such as SL
stevenaia Michinaga: as we know from here, even a ingle individual can consume large amounts of to to be handled propertly
Calvino Rabeni: "Wherever we go, there we are"
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, even second life has all aspects of reality in its fabric
Calvino Rabeni: In spite of that, I'd say, this sim has worked better than I may have expected
stevenaia Michinaga: considering its diversity, there must be some comonality that balances the group
Calvino Rabeni: There's the occasional beggar, a rare griefer, a couple people with "issues"
Calvino Rabeni: But rarely necessary to do any bouncer stuff
stevenaia Michinaga: when you sit and seek openness within , sometimes by watching others... it seems to have a sedating affect
Calvino Rabeni: An occasional missionary
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like we can all be stoners and appear simillarly
Calvino Rabeni: What's a stoner?
stevenaia Michinaga: Pot smokers
Calvino Rabeni: You mean, throws stones, or gets "loaded"?
stevenaia Michinaga: we would just be less cohearent, yes
stevenaia Michinaga: loaded
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps a bad anal\ogy
Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking about habits of thinking
stevenaia Michinaga: habits?
Calvino Rabeni: I read an article about U.S. situation in Afghanistan
Calvino Rabeni: A friend read the same article - said "that's a poor article"
Calvino Rabeni: I said - did it inform you about what's happening there?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
Calvino Rabeni: Did it give you insight into the views of the commanders and their strategies?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
Calvino Rabeni: Did it provide useful strategic information?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
Calvino Rabeni: Did it make you feel any better about the whole situation?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: OK, then why was it a poor article?
Calvino Rabeni: --> Because it didn't have the answer about what we should DO!
stevenaia Michinaga: the habit was the expectation?
Calvino Rabeni: Right, the expectation that the only value of such articles is to solve problems
Calvino Rabeni: And that understanding outside that, has no value
Calvino Rabeni: See, to that point of view, what happens here at PaB would look pointless
Calvino Rabeni: Open awareness, with no immediate usefulness
Calvino Rabeni: So it's a foreign habit relative to the participants here at PaB
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it could appear that way
stevenaia Michinaga: another way of seeking the answer
Calvino Rabeni: "THE" answer
stevenaia Michinaga: that too
Calvino Rabeni: that's the apearance of not-openness
Calvino Rabeni: the answer is predetermined by the question

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Foxtree
Calvino Rabeni: Hi fox
Foxtree Gorbunov: Hi Calvino and Steven
Calvino Rabeni: Steve, I have a RL event to attend, have to leave
Calvino Rabeni: thanks for the chat
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Cal
Calvino Rabeni: See you later Steve/FOx
stevenaia Michinaga: thanls for joining me
Foxtree Gorbunov: take care
Calvino Rabeni: YW
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Foxtree
Foxtree Gorbunov: yes I have
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Foxtree Gorbunov: your self?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes,a few years :)
stevenaia Michinaga: wondered in when it was very new
Foxtree Gorbunov: new....That is a strange word the days
Foxtree Gorbunov: 'New'
stevenaia Michinaga: well it was about a month after the group was formed
stevenaia Michinaga: it certainly was new to me
Foxtree Gorbunov: but the gruop is only what? Five year old? I mean thinkg on it; is the world moving so fast now that we seem to be in a "new" age alomst ever week.
stevenaia Michinaga: I think its just over 2 years old
stevenaia Michinaga: seems like we are still at the very begining
Foxtree Gorbunov: okay two years. Would you call a two year old child: Old?
Foxtree Gorbunov: We are at the begining.
stevenaia Michinaga: only to a one year old,I suppose
Foxtree Gorbunov: good point.
stevenaia Michinaga: it cerainly is relative
Foxtree Gorbunov: Thing is: In my life time computers went for the size of a room to lap tops. And, can even go faster.
Foxtree Gorbunov: SL is "New"
Foxtree Gorbunov: But people act as if SL has alway been around
stevenaia Michinaga: but if you meet 4x a day for 2 years, much has been discussed here, and much more to follow
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: have you always been a furry here
Foxtree Gorbunov: yes:
Foxtree Gorbunov: That was one of the things that attacted me to SL
Foxtree Gorbunov: To be free in the fur
Foxtree Gorbunov: how about you? Always been a fleshy?
stevenaia Michinaga: started being a woman fleshy, now a man
stevenaia Michinaga: a very versitile play
stevenaia Michinaga: place
Foxtree Gorbunov: ture: but you have to be you. Maybe even a ture you?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
Foxtree Gorbunov: I just recalled. I have to take some picture for the Love Chicken
Foxtree Gorbunov: I must be going
stevenaia Michinaga: what is that?
stevenaia Michinaga: Love Chicken
Foxtree Gorbunov: Well, it use to be a radio show on WMOR. in Morehead, Kentucky. But, the guy that makes the show is going to start putting it on You Tube
stevenaia Michinaga: thx, nice chatting
Foxtree Gorbunov: see soon