2010.05.16 07:00 - Seasons

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

Adams Rubble: hello Woolcinder
Woolcinder Oxidor: hello Adams
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: Have you been here before Woolcinder?
Woolcinder Oxidor: you look very Evish :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: ah yes i come here off and on
Woolcinder Oxidor: i am not very punctual though
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: nice to meet you roo Adams
Adams Rubble: Hello Archmage
Woolcinder Oxidor: * too
Adams Rubble: It is very quiet here today
Woolcinder Oxidor: hello Archmage
Adams Rubble: It is nice that you come back
Adams Rubble: Is there anything in particular that draws you back?
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes i find it emotionally restive
Adams Rubble: thats a good reason :)
Adams Rubble: I am afraid some have felt the opposite effect
Woolcinder Oxidor: i often go to philosophy discussions...
Woolcinder Oxidor: they almost talk the eame things we do here
Adams Rubble nods
Woolcinder Oxidor: but in a totally different atmosphere
Adams Rubble: finding ways to look at reality
Woolcinder Oxidor: i find this way of looking at things more cordial
Adams Rubble: at our best, we can be non-competetive here
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Stargate
Adams Rubble: Hello Moon
Woolcinder Oxidor: hello Star gate , Moon
Moon Fargis: ah one second
Moon Fargis: SL eaten my inventory
Moon Fargis: brb
Adams Rubble: I have rezzed your flowers a few times lately to the oooohs and ahhs of those seeing them (always giving you credit, of course)
Adams Rubble: (that to Moon who has disappeared)
Adams Rubble: Have you tried the regular 15 minute stopping Woolcinder?
Woolcinder Oxidor: it is interesting to see how eve the smileys change from culture to culture

Moon Fargis: re
Stargate Tone: re :)*
Moon Fargis: ah
Adams Rubble: Thank you Moon :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: wow
Woolcinder Oxidor: i am not sure if my connection would take this
Moon Fargis: ^-^
Woolcinder Oxidor: Moons smileys reminded me of it
Adams Rubble: Moon is a powerful magician :)

We get on the subject of eastern and western smiling and I learn something new

Woolcinder Oxidor: just compare them with your Adam
Woolcinder Oxidor: she uses her eyes while you used your lips
Moon Fargis: \(^.^)/
Woolcinder Oxidor: or He i am not sure really :)
Moon Fargis: He i am ^^
Moon Fargis: hmm
Moon Fargis: sl still eaten part of my inventory
Adams Rubble: So many associate the moon with being a female
Moon Fargis: hmm then i should've called myself Luna
Adams Rubble: Sorry Moon. Can you get them to give it back?
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes moon is the symbol of the beloved in most eastern litereature
Adams Rubble: and so associated with Guanyin
Moon Fargis: adams, give back ? what ? did i missed something ?
Adams Rubble: the trees are a nice addition Moon

I had just realized it was fall and that the trees were a warm yellowish orange

Adams Rubble: you said it ate your inventory. I understand that they may be able to retrieve it when that happens
Woolcinder Oxidor: and what is that Guanyin
Moon Fargis: ahyes i need more relogs to get them back
Adams Rubble: Guanyin is the Chinese Avalokitesvara or Kannon
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: bing

and suddlenly it feels quite cold

Adams Rubble: it feels like we should have a fire in the pool :)
Moon Fargis: why not ^^
Adams Rubble: uh oh
Moon Fargis: ok another relog it seems
Moon Fargis: i dont get my spring ones
Moon Fargis: brb
Woolcinder Oxidor: shall we play vivaldis spring from the four season till he is back :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: why not
Adams Rubble: It was nice the way the snow flakes stopped veru slowly
Adams Rubble: very
Moon Fargis: re
Woolcinder Oxidor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4kTei0XrCs
Adams Rubble: Thank you Wollcnder b:)
Woolcinder Oxidor: your welcome :)
Adams Rubble: and wow Moon

While we listen to Vivaldi Moon changes the PaB to Spring

Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: btw
Moon Fargis: the different of the smilies is simpleexplained
Stargate Tone: just listened to Jarre; couldn't stop that
Moon Fargis: the one that are shown by eyes are asian/japanese ones
Woolcinder Oxidor: this feels like being in the La Primavera
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes i was aware if that Moon
Moon Fargis: the asians recognise emotions throught eye contact
Moon Fargis: while we western one recognise them over the mouth
Adams Rubble: I did not know that
Woolcinder Oxidor: mostly the Japanese
Moon Fargis nods
Stargate Tone: maybe cuz they smile no matter what's in their mind
Adams Rubble: and I thought it was the Irish eyes that were smiling :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: no there sighs are inverted carets...or eyes
Moon Fargis: ah dies irish people smile inverted ?
Moon Fargis: does
Stargate Tone: well; in SL there's no nationality cuz nobody can see anybody's mouth or eyes
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: SL throws all our perceived diffrences out the window
Moon Fargis: well for that we develop new ones
Moon Fargis: *mews*
Woolcinder Oxidor: sometimes i have wondered if it may be a good i dea to re write literature with smilies
Adams Rubble: :)
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Woolcinder Oxidor: so faust could say...was this the face that launched a thousand ships :(
--BELL--
Stargate Tone: Wool; I seldom read ppl's profile...as it tells so little anyway...but read now Ur's...
Stargate Tone: would U dare to share why you choosed that story ?
Woolcinder Oxidor: and does it tells too much
Woolcinder Oxidor: its an elegy by Dylan Thomas

The sticks of the house were his; his books he owned.
Even as a baby he had never cried;
Nor did he now, save to his secret wound.

Too proud to die; broken and blind he died
The darkest way, and did not turn away,
A cold kind man brave in his burning pride

Stargate Tone: depends...does yours ?
Woolcinder Oxidor: i thought i felt very much like the person being described
Stargate Tone: thank you
Stargate Tone: felt so
Woolcinder Oxidor: but he was talking about his father actually
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Woolcinder Oxidor: also i have taken the liberty of changing a few verses here and there
Stargate Tone: **
Woolcinder Oxidor: they would have been too unpleasant
Stargate Tone: may I share the most difficult lesson my father gave to me ?
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes
Adams Rubble: please do Star
Adams Rubble: Hello Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Moon Fargis: hi steve
Stargate Tone: as I understood else, but this was needed for me to live tens of years to understand;
Stargate Tone: hello steve; wonderfull to see you for long time
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Moon, Stargate, a very long time since I;ve seen you
Woolcinder Oxidor: Hello Steve
Stargate Tone: ah yes; my pa's given lesson...as he advised me this way ;
Stargate Tone: *you girl keep your pride, cuz that's the only property of poor person'
Stargate Tone: my father was the most humble man I've known...was so hard for me to understand why he said so...
Stargate Tone: but when it came to my life that I had no home left for strangers coming, I understood that one needs to have also pride...cuz must chooce so much for the time limit
Stargate Tone: end of my story
Adams Rubble: we must grasp what we are
Adams Rubble: and not what others think we are
stevenaia Michinaga: what is a PA, Stargate
stevenaia Michinaga: father?
Stargate Tone: well...what one is may be the different thing than what one does...
Stargate Tone: ah yes
Adams Rubble: yes Star :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: that is the most difficult theing ,,,to not be what others think we are
Stargate Tone: as I've always thought that there is no 'form' of character; to be something, that would be good or bad, it's how to use different 'sides'...
Stargate Tone: but yes; took time for me to learn how also pride is good thing to have ...'use'....
stevenaia Michinaga: I have a similar thought.. what one is is how others see you are
Woolcinder Oxidor: http://www.neuroticpoets.com/thomas/poem/elegy/

         The Elegy by Dylan Thomas

Too proud to die; broken and blind he died
The darkest way, and did not turn away,
A cold kind man brave in his narrow pride

On that darkest day, Oh, forever may
He lie lightly, at last, on the last, crossed
Hill, under the grass, in love, and there grow

Young among the long flocks, and never lie lost
Or still all the numberless days of his death, though
Above all he longed for his mother's breast

Which was rest and dust, and in the kind ground
The darkest justice of death, blind and unblessed.
Let him find no rest but be fathered and found,

I prayed in the crouching room, by his blind bed,
In the muted house, one minute before
Noon, and night, and light. the rivers of the dead

Veined his poor hand I held, and I saw
Through his unseeing eyes to the roots of the sea.
(An old tormented man three-quarters blind,

I am not too proud to cry that He and he
Will never never go out of my mind.
All his bones crying, and poor in all but pain,

Being innocent, he dreaded that he died
Hating his God, but what he was was plain:
An old kind man brave in his burning pride.

The sticks of the house were his; his books he owned.
Even as a baby he had never cried;
Nor did he now, save to his secret wound.

Out of his eyes I saw the last light glide.
Here among the liught of the lording sky
An old man is with me where I go

Walking in the meadows of his son's eye
On whom a world of ills came down like snow.
He cried as he died, fearing at last the spheres'

Last sound, the world going out without a breath:
Too proud to cry, too frail to check the tears,
And caught between two nights, blindness and death.

O deepest wound of all that he should die
On that darkest day. oh, he could hide
The tears out of his eyes, too proud to cry.

Until I die he will not leave my side.)

Woolcinder Oxidor: the link to the poem for the record
Stargate Tone: and yes; think that it's more taken to be male charachter; more important to men....
Adams Rubble: thanks Woolcinder, I'll paste it in the log
Adams Rubble: in Pema's terms, our image is what we have not what we are
Adams Rubble: :)
Stargate Tone: well; there was once a topic as ppl said they cannot always be what they are...I simply cannot understand that, cuz imo nobody can be else what one is....
Moon Fargis: well
Stargate Tone: image can yes be what ever...
Adams Rubble: we can live without knowing what we are :)
Moon Fargis: the problem is
Moon Fargis: they cannot be what they are
Woolcinder Oxidor: that we can do quite easily
Moon Fargis: becasue then they define what they are by others
Moon Fargis: thats a normal human behaviour
Moon Fargis: trhat they need others to tell them what they are
stevenaia Michinaga: the convenience of friends
Stargate Tone: well; when one 'is' something else on is, that's to pretend, so; on such moment one simply is the pretender...
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: well a sipßle example
Stargate Tone: people feel so huge much 'reasons' to pretend too...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone, moving over to the guardina session

Moon talks about his "designation" and how it dows not fit the way he sees himself

Moon Fargis: i am a media designer , becasue i lerned it so society say "you are a media designer"
Stargate Tone: **
Adams Rubble: Hello and goodbye Yaku :)
Moon Fargis: but basicly i am not a media designer
Stargate Tone: well; U r that too, so that's not to pretend
Moon Fargis: becasue others define verry different what a mediadesigner is
Stargate Tone: it's 'part' of you ; what you are and do
Stargate Tone: ah ok
Moon Fargis: so whenever theres a job as media designer there is much of stuff requested i simply cannot do
Moon Fargis: becasue they define media designer in a way others defined it for me to be
Stargate Tone: *giggles*...there's something you cannot do as the media designer ?
Moon Fargis: so aslong i accept that other define devil circle i never can be a media designer
stevenaia Michinaga: people will always ask for everything, even when what they are asking for may not exist
Adams Rubble: :)
Moon Fargis: well, a good example is "webdesign"
Moon Fargis: they expect a media designer to create webpages
Moon Fargis: sure they can to the layout and graphics
Moon Fargis: but they cannot create them
Moon Fargis: one must atleast know 6 coding languages to create a progfessional webpage
Stargate Tone: like for example them requests to get the worker; 'young man been in the army; much practice in profession'
Woolcinder Oxidor: but what is that people are doing...when they want you to be someone that you are not
Woolcinder Oxidor: are they simply projecting themselves on you...or they want you to be something they couldnt be themselves
Moon Fargis: well on verry hard times one may be forced to it, like in war
Moon Fargis: but aslong theres the option of free choose
Moon Fargis: everyone should be as free to say "no"
Moon Fargis: even that means not to get a job
Moon Fargis: like i fought much in my life not to be a technical one
Stargate Tone: well; imo when somebody wants the other to be something else one is not, they simply want to rule over, and THAT'S such that I've seen more than too much to happen
Moon Fargis: meaning one who sets up electric circuts aso
stevenaia Michinaga: I mus tbe off
stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon
Adams Rubble: bye Steve :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: humm and thats being powerful...thats the negative side of pride
Stargate Tone: _/!\_ steve
Woolcinder Oxidor: bye Steve
Stargate Tone: enjoy
Moon Fargis: bye steve ^^
stevenaia Michinaga: love the plantings, Moon
Moon Fargis: thx^^
Woolcinder Oxidor: you could call it ferocity
Woolcinder Oxidor: like a wolf
Stargate Tone: smiles *
Woolcinder Oxidor: there are two powers in the human soul
Adams Rubble: we need to separate expections from what we are
Stargate Tone: (loves wolfs)
Woolcinder Oxidor: inference and movement
Woolcinder Oxidor: or inference and initiation

Adams Rubble: Sometimes there is a job needing to be done and someone is looking for someone to do it
Woolcinder Oxidor: inference is either through thought thought or action
Adams Rubble: That does not necessisarily imply a power situation

I was not being naive and implying that power doesn't enter in to a work situation. If both parties are focused on the tasks at hand and not on who is wielding power, communication is easier and it is easier to obtain the desired result. I unfortunately change the subject with my next statement which might have been better left unsaid. I have my own prejudices about the changes to the world wide web over its brief existence

Woolcinder Oxidor: yes i am sure my Boss is above all this :)
Adams Rubble: I don;t think one needs six languages to do a webpage (giggles)
Stargate Tone: depends
Moon Fargis: well
Moon Fargis: a professional one
Adams Rubble: yes, maybe on what thinks a webpage is
Moon Fargis: html
Moon Fargis: xhtml
Moon Fargis: CCs
Moon Fargis: javascript
Moon Fargis: flash
Moon Fargis: php
Moon Fargis: xml
Moon Fargis: and some database knowlege
Moon Fargis: and flash
Moon Fargis: ah flash i mentions :)
Moon Fargis: ok one flash less:)
Adams Rubble: web pages can be about content, not razzle dazzle
Stargate Tone: lol *
Moon Fargis: well if its a private one sure
Moon Fargis: then one can take frontpage ort other things and make one quickly
Stargate Tone: but when one is needed to serve ppl around the world having their own language and will to have the page with that *
Moon Fargis: but as soon its starting to be a companywebpage ith all kind of graphical muble grumble those languages are needed
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes the media becomes the message
Moon Fargis: already a member login requires a databse server and lots of knowlege about it
Stargate Tone: (Moon created huge things to finnish company in finnish)
Moon Fargis: ahyes and thankfully no webpage :D
Adams Rubble: :)
--BELL--
Adams Rubble wasn;t tinking about national langiages :)
Adams Rubble: I expect whatever you do is very good Moon :)
Stargate Tone: thinking the saying that there's as many persons within that how many languages one knows....how might that be with them pc languages....
Moon Fargis: ah intrestingly
Moon Fargis: there are sure hundrets of pc languages
Moon Fargis: to create programs
Moon Fargis: butthe laaarge one all almost use is C
Stargate Tone: one man once told how he cannot see any beauty in those forms that pc gives randomly, as he just thinks them bit's how it works out....
Moon Fargis: so lets say to create a program, there are less languages to be known as for creating a webpage
Woolcinder Oxidor: well theres much beauty in fractal art..and that cannot be created without a pc i believe
Woolcinder Oxidor: like the mandelbrot set
Moon Fargis: ahyes lots of fractal styles
Stargate Tone: hm...why couldn't it be created as manual ?
Woolcinder Oxidor: http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...brot-large.jpg
Woolcinder Oxidor: heres an example
Woolcinder Oxidor: it requires recurring computations that couldnt be done manually
Moon Fargis: ah sure but the artist dont calculate
Moon Fargis: he just draws :)
Moon Fargis: no matter if its exact to a calculation
Stargate Tone: oh wow....feel that he's fallen to lay down; would like to turn him ;)*****
Woolcinder Oxidor: and the interesting thing is that the image is a result of one very simple computation..done ove rand over
Moon Fargis: ah who ?:)
Woolcinder Oxidor: you probably thought it was a lady bug
Woolcinder Oxidor: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Stargate Tone: this picture
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go
Stargate Tone: hm...well...didnt' think anything; just felt...and feel still
Stargate Tone: have nice time Adams
Woolcinder Oxidor: Bye Adams
Adams Rubble: bye everyone. Thank you :)
Stargate Tone: ...ladybug would need wings to exist...
Adams Rubble: Have good nights or days :)
Stargate Tone: thank you
Woolcinder Oxidor: that was very kind Star
Woolcinder Oxidor: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...vi&safe=active
Woolcinder Oxidor: oops
Woolcinder Oxidor: i didnt realize it was this long
Woolcinder Oxidor: less insecty
Woolcinder Oxidor: even photoshop is mostly about calculations isnt it Moon
Moon Fargis: sure all programs are :)
Stargate Tone: ahhhh
Woolcinder Oxidor: skew and strectch etc
Stargate Tone: even music is much 'calculating'....
Woolcinder Oxidor: and we have the prrof in the form of vogue and cosmopolitan that they do work :)
Stargate Tone: just happenes so 'obviously' that all dont think so ....
Moon Fargis: we would need years to calculate the stuff our computer calculates now in a Second of second life
Woolcinder Oxidor: music has less calculations to it...its mathematics isnt as precise
Woolcinder Oxidor: we simply cannot compute a good symphony
Stargate Tone: Ivgenny told to be her name, but to me she's a star :)****
Stargate Tone: oh huge how beautiful 'snowstar' :)***
--BELL--
Stargate Tone: thank you so much for sharing this *
Stargate Tone: have never seen this beautiful fractal
Woolcinder Oxidor: nevertheless there have been efforts at computing one
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Woolcinder Oxidor: like taking a masterpiece and working out a variation through translation or inversion
Stargate Tone: **
Woolcinder Oxidor: the results are ususally wasteful
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: ok seemsi have to go now
Moon Fargis: was nice meeting you
Woolcinder Oxidor: nice talking to you Moon