2010.05.25 07:00 - Gardening Wu Wei

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  The silly jokes are by Riddle Sideways.  The typos, mis-spellings, poor grammar, obscure referrences, riddles, redirects, failed poetry, observations, generalizations, images, lags and good fun at the expense of reality, time, space, religion, music, science and sentient beings are by an avatar playing the part of Riddle Sideways.

For once in a long time I had been awake only once in the middle of a long 7 hours of sleep, dreams and night.

Riddle Sideways: good morning PaB Listener. Shall we listen together

Riddle Sideways: morning Archi
Riddle Sideways: and Koya
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Riddle

Riddle Sideways: I started to have my dragon follow me, but it can not cross PaB property lines
Riddle Sideways: no-script lines

Archmage Atlantis: I was reading through some of the meeting logs yesterday........one amused me with it's opening commentary.......something like "Ever polite, we began with a discussion of the weather" :) -How is the weather there for you and your dragon? :)
Riddle Sideways: like RL it seems I mostly have to leave my dragons home
Riddle Sideways: ah, it is as pleasent as SL
Archmage Atlantis: My dragons can come in, as they are babies, but they aren't allowed to fly about while in here *g*
Archmage Atlantis: It's nice here also, will be hot soon though.
Riddle Sideways: we are done with rain
Riddle Sideways: so a little cool mornings, a little warm days
Riddle Sideways: paradise does not get much worse

Archmage Atlantis: And we are soon to head into hurricane season......The most comfortable time of the year here is in the winter.
Archmage Atlantis: I take it you are in the NE US?
Riddle Sideways: no, W US... Califor
Archmage Atlantis: Ah]
Riddle Sideways: I take it you are S us

Archmage Atlantis: It is early morning then
Archmage Atlantis: Yes SW FL
Archmage Atlantis: Watching the oil advance
Riddle Sideways: I lived several years SE and mid FL
Riddle Sideways: had many good huricane parties
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I moved here from SE FL....grew up partly there, and partly in NE FL
Archmage Atlantis: And have friends in
Archmage Atlantis: Orlando and Tampa
Archmage Atlantis: Didn't see snow till 20s.....never been in an earthquake or flood
Riddle Sideways: I have relatives in Sarasoda that I do not want to visit
Archmage Atlantis: I like that spelling, smile, Sarasoda

Archmage Atlantis: A Coke product no less
Archmage Atlantis: Another quiet morning meeting
Archmage Atlantis: Nice to just sit
Riddle Sideways: Re: chat logs... there was a great theme one yesterday 7am
Riddle Sideways: I made half of it
Riddle Sideways: Wu Wei is at the root of me
Archmage Atlantis: Um, let me see if it was posted
Riddle Sideways: just checked and yes it is
Archmage Atlantis: I've more reading to do on Wu Wei
Riddle Sideways: was surprised that everybody did not know wu wei
Riddle Sideways: well maybe not the name/label
Archmage Atlantis: I'll read it after......what made it a great meeting in your opinion
Riddle Sideways: but the princilple
Riddle Sideways: was great meeting because of the different points of view
Riddle Sideways: it is the natural thing to me
Riddle Sideways: but to see/listen to others
Riddle Sideways: what angle they come in/from to try understanding
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, Taoist then.....I have read on the Tao, but did not remember the name
Riddle Sideways: most ask questions, but which questions are telling
Riddle Sideways: how to get there
Riddle Sideways: what to do
Riddle Sideways: what is in it
Riddle Sideways: it can not be that simple
Riddle Sideways: maybe, like explaining 'peace' to somebody
Archmage Atlantis: Agree that all things an entity does or choses to do or question reveals more than is said
Riddle Sideways: but, explaining how to 'not Do'
Riddle Sideways: would not seem so hard
Archmage Atlantis: A quick exploration on the web jogs my memory
Archmage Atlantis: effortless action and to do without doing seem familiar
Riddle Sideways: sorry, I went right on before you were ready
Archmage Atlantis: There is nothing to be sorry about :)
Riddle Sideways: my early memories of the guitar playing me
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that memory makes sense to me
Riddle Sideways: and the example of a tennis player no longer thinking about holding the racket
Riddle Sideways: that example led many to think about years of study to get expertise so they could drop it
Riddle Sideways: am not sure that is it
Archmage Atlantis: I was always one to apply logic and reason first, it was a long time before I could ever grasp the concept
Archmage Atlantis: Once in a while, a rare while, a poem will write itself for me
Riddle Sideways: one day, you did not apply logic and reason. and things went ok anyway
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: I suppose I garden that way
Riddle Sideways: things were going/growing naturally before you stepped in
Riddle Sideways: we try to force a plant to grow where it does not belong
Riddle Sideways: we remove a native
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, my garden tells me what it needs from me, even if that is to be left alone
Riddle Sideways: and trouble happens
Riddle Sideways: we listen... and hear "water me" or "stop watering"
Riddle Sideways: gardening is so close to nature that it is easier to see the principles
Archmage Atlantis: But that is includes many years of learning because I love garden....I love the wildness that surrounds me also......as I live on the edge of the Everglades
Riddle Sideways: the office, family, gevernment, religion, etc. is harder
Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps, for me they are all various forms of gardens :)
Riddle Sideways: morning, Lucind
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Lucinda
Riddle Sideways: I lived/worked at edge of everglades too
Lucinda Lavender: Morning Riddle, Arch
Riddle Sideways: maybe, we are chatting about wu wei
Lucinda Lavender: I am curious...are the everglades all ways ...something? like green?
Archmage Atlantis: We are the only house on our block, surrounded by unchanged wild land
Riddle Sideways: Tao and the art of gardening
Lucinda Lavender: I have yet to learn about wu wei...will read the log...
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, and it goes on forever, in a sense
Lucinda Lavender: wu wei? Tao and gardening?
Riddle Sideways: however, it is much smaller then when I lived there
Archmage Atlantis: Wu Wei is the topic
Riddle Sideways: gardening is the handle
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Archmage Atlantis: Our species modifies everything
Archmage Atlantis: It is our nature
Riddle Sideways: to live next to everglades, redwoods, desert, etc. and have a little tomato garden
Riddle Sideways: the contrast. the connection
Lucinda Lavender: seedness
Lucinda Lavender: thinking about children now
Riddle Sideways: from little seeds
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Archmage Atlantis: It's funny, I finally saw Avatar last night.......being mostly home bound, I had to wait till I could get the DVD in the mail from Netflix......the victory of the N'avi (sp?) at the end was inspirational, but it made me sad also.......The movie ends with the victory, but there will be others who will come to take, and they will have learned the lessons of taking from those who failed before
Lucinda Lavender: I have been contemplating seeing it almost daily...hmmm
Riddle Sideways: yes, the morale plot was ....
Riddle Sideways: but, see avatar for it's beauty
Archmage Atlantis: Just as now pythons and alligator fight to the death in the glades now the pythons are established
Lucinda Lavender: :)
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: near the beginning, it shows the jungle as dangerous
Riddle Sideways: but so beautiful
Archmage Atlantis: Our planet is beautiful
Fael Illyar: meep! :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, Fael long time no meep!
Fael Illyar: meep meep! :)
Archmage Atlantis: The tellers of stories ask us to consider who we wish to be
Riddle Sideways: and how do you wish to see
Riddle Sideways: look out at the everglades
Riddle Sideways: do you see beauty?
Riddle Sideways: do you see danger?
Archmage Atlantis: Both
Riddle Sideways: do you see real estate to conquer
Archmage Atlantis: No
Fael Illyar: meep?
Archmage Atlantis: But live in conjunction with, yes
Riddle Sideways: Wu Wei and the everglades point of view
Riddle Sideways: do you spring into action or sit and watch
Archmage Atlantis: Both
Lucinda Lavender: both
Riddle Sideways: ah good answer
Riddle Sideways: act naturally and see clearly
Riddle Sideways: would that be so hard
Riddle Sideways: yes
Lucinda Lavender: planting seeds with loveas the intention behind
Archmage Atlantis: I planted morning glory seeds this spring
Riddle Sideways: planting the proper seeds the garden needs
Archmage Atlantis: They came up in abundance
Archmage Atlantis: Grew well
Riddle Sideways: nature planted morning glories for me on my back hill
Archmage Atlantis: Then one morning I came out, and something from the wild had eaten everyone
Archmage Atlantis: I accept
Lucinda Lavender: thanks for this note card arch
Archmage Atlantis: yw
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I have some volunteers from last years morning glories
Archmage Atlantis: They weren't eaten
Riddle Sideways: bye Lucin
Archmage Atlantis: But they haven't grow but a few inches
Riddle Sideways: image of your aligator munching on morning glory
Archmage Atlantis: Smiles......probably a possum or racoon......I don't think the black bear eats plants
Archmage Atlantis: I know the panthers don't
Riddle Sideways: maybe we wei is like Fael's heart bubbles
Riddle Sideways: they had to be written and worn, but now just arise
Archmage Atlantis: Interesting, please elaborate Riddle
Riddle Sideways: they just float up
Fael Illyar: meep?
Archmage Atlantis: I see, yes
Riddle Sideways: producing smiles
Fael Illyar: oh :)
Fael Illyar: meep! :)
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: is meep the cat still around?
Archmage Atlantis: That is how I think of my SL pets
Fael Illyar: I think we were one or two votes short of getting meep the cat :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, majority rule, but they can not control my mind
Fael Illyar smiles.
Archmage Atlantis: Although pets is really and inaccurate word, more like mutually chosen companions
Archmage Atlantis: If dragons are not allowed, I suppose cats would not be either
Riddle Sideways: ah, the mental point of view of thinking of them/us as Pets
Riddle Sideways: kept animals
Riddle Sideways: I am not a kept animal
Riddle Sideways: just a bump on this log
Riddle Sideways: however... I need to move to a new log
Fael Illyar: Ok, have fun Riddle :)
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, it is that time......take care friend
Riddle Sideways: oh I will... please do so yourselves
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
Fael Illyar: meep! :)