2010.05.05 13:00 - Life Denting Self

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wool :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: hello Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch
Woolcinder Oxidor: you get to be the worm today
Eliza Madrigal: The worm?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)
Archmage Atlantis: Big question Wool
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes we were the early birds
Pema Pera: hi Arch, Eiza, Wool!
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Woolcinder Oxidor: hello Pema
Archmage Atlantis: I am always the worm
Archmage Atlantis: Waking up
Woolcinder Oxidor: you dont believe in metamorphosis
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Eliza, Pema
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Woolcinder Oxidor: was shakespeare right when he said that the good is oft interred with our bones
Woolcinder Oxidor: and that the evil men do lives after them
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Yes , he wass
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, maybe a better question would be was Shakespeare trying to be right? Or....
Woolcinder Oxidor: and so that would imply that the sum total of evil in the world is increasing all the time
Archmage Atlantis: Yes Wool, that is the math
Pema Pera: thank you, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: The autologger is so polite :) It says "Hello Eliza!"
Pema Pera: (for grabbing the log)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Pema Pera: hi Calvino and Zen!
Eliza Madrigal: HI Cal :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: and is there another dimension to it...apart from the maths of it that i dont see
Zen Arado: Hi all
Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone
Zen Arado: Hi Mick
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
Pema Pera: Wool, if I may ask, have you gotten a chance to play with our 9-seconds explorations?
Woolcinder Oxidor: no Eliza shakespeare would have been doing a great disfavour to us all if he was trying to be right
Pema Pera: hi Mick!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Woolcinder Oxidor: no Pema i havent got the chance yet
Pema Pera: do you know about our tradition?
Woolcinder Oxidor: hello Calvino, Zen, Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wool
Woolcinder Oxidor: very scantly i am afraid
Archmage Atlantis: Pema...I was re-reading the website, and noted that the Guardian on duty would give a card of explanation to newcomers
Archmage Atlantis: Would love to have that card
Pema Pera: the basic idea is that we try to stop what we're doing a few times an hour, in RL as well as SL, to get a chance to look beyond our usual preoccupations
Archmage Atlantis: And read it
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, often Arch. Did you never receive a note? Sure... one moment Arch
Eliza Madrigal: (Its more fun to talk about it one-on-one when there is opportunity though)
Pema Pera: and when we are here, we can share our experience of what happens when we take those breaks
Spider Paule: greetings to all :-)
Pema Pera: we call it "9 seconds breaks" every 15 minutes, as a kind of pun -- it means a 1% time tax -- 9 seconds out of 900 seconds
Pema Pera: hi Spider!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Spider
Spider Paule: namaste
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Spider :) Welcome
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes Wol told me about it
Eliza Madrigal: (Spider that's a note about the group)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fef :)
Fefonz Quan: Hi everyone!
Spider Paule: thank you
Pema Pera: hi Fef!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Fef
Pema Pera: But here in SL we take somewhat longer breaks, 90 seconds instead
Zen Arado: HI Fef
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes i was told...to recollect and revive
Pema Pera: each of us constructs a picture of the world, and of ourselves, and calls that the reality we live in -- it's interesting to try to question that picture, trying to set it aside for a few seconds, frequently
Pema Pera: just to see what happens
Fefonz Quan: Spider, i wanted to ask if you are aware that we record those sessions logs and post them
Eliza Madrigal: :) "Revive" seems a nice way of approach
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: and uncollect and recollect :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Very good point Fefonz
Spider Paule: ah thats a good idea, chance to read it again
Archmage Atlantis: The sessions become public record
Fefonz Quan: so i guess it's ok with you that your comments will be included as well
--BELL--
Spider Paule: yes it is ok :-)
Fefonz Quan: (great:)
Woolcinder Oxidor: we also exude ...what we hold within...so much so that it effects a birdling in a far flung forest
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that is true Wool
Archmage Atlantis: As does the bird
Eliza Madrigal: Apologies, but I have to get going... was wonderful to see you all for this little while
Pema Pera: bye Eliza!
Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: :::waves::: Bye for now
Archmage Atlantis: Bye poet
Fefonz Quan: bye Eliz
Spider Paule: what is todays topic?
Pema Pera: I don't think we have a particular topic yet
Pema Pera: but feel free to propose one :)
Spider Paule: smiles ok
Archmage Atlantis: I think it is that we are all connected
Spider Paule: I sence that connection at this moment
Pema Pera: Hi Liza!
Mickorod Renard: Pema, maybe you could do a haiku poem on birdlings in the forrest?
Mickorod Renard: Hi Liza
Mickorod Renard: :)
Pema Pera: oh, Mick, I'm sure you'd do a better job :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Pema Pera: hi Yaku!
Zen Arado: Hi Liza, Yaku
Mickorod Renard: I saw some of yours during reading the logs,,,very nice
Woolcinder Oxidor: i recall a mystic work on the place of the conference of the birds
Fefonz Quan: hey Yaku!
Fefonz Quan: hi Liza
Liza Deischer: hi everyone
Pema Pera: ty, Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku
Spider Paule: hello Liza
Pema Pera: Hi Fael!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Fael
Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fael
Zen Arado: http://oldpoetry.com/opoem/show/2492...e-Of-The-Birds
Archmage Atlantis: Hello fountain in the middle
Zen Arado: Hi Fael
Fefonz Quan: Hi agatha, Fael!
Pema Pera: Hi Agatha!
Agatha Macbeth: Hello everyone :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes Zen exactly what i was thinking about ...thanks for the link
Zen Arado: Hi Agatha
Zen Arado: np :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: Attar was a perfumer...and thus his name which literally means perfumer in arabic
Zen Arado: interseting poem
Woolcinder Oxidor: while he was in his shop a beggar came to him asking for money
Woolcinder Oxidor: and he said...you beg for money...how will you give your life to your Lord
Woolcinder Oxidor: the beggaer said like this....he lied down ..placed his chalice on his chest and died
Archmage Atlantis: He did find an answer
Archmage Atlantis: It is not mine
--BELL--
Zen Arado: "
Zen Arado: "So long as we do not die to ourselves, and so long as we identify with someone or something, we shall never be free. The spiritual way is not for those wrapped up in exterior life.5"
Pema Pera: how do you see that, Zen, dying to yourself?
Zen Arado: same messages in so many spiritual paths
Zen Arado: seeing through the attachments of ego
Zen Arado: and dropping them
Fefonz Quan liked the life.5 version :)
Pema Pera: can you give an example?
Zen Arado: thinking...
Woolcinder Oxidor: it also has a link to Fitzgeralds translation ..its more comprehensive
Zen Arado: dropping self aggrandizement
Woolcinder Oxidor: http://oldpoetry.com/opoem/show/1322...ranslation-of-
Pema Pera: how do you do that?
Zen Arado: by noticing it first
Zen Arado: noticing the ways I try to do that
Zen Arado: sometimes seeing is enough
Zen Arado: but old habits die hard for me
Pema Pera: :)
Liza Deischer: seeing is the start of a process
Zen Arado: Jesus said to dent the self also
Zen Arado: deny*
Liza Deischer: deny?
Pema Pera: was there something recently that you noticed, along those lines, Zen, as a concrete experience?
Archmage Atlantis: Fighting old habits gives them powere
Calvino Rabeni: I think normal life does fine at "denting" the self :)
Archmage Atlantis: Such aa clche
Pema Pera: /smiles at life denting self
Zen Arado: I do it all the time Pema by talking too much
Pema Pera: hahaha, no, this is an interesting topic, Zen
Mickorod Renard: nice peom Wool
Fefonz Quan: Don't try to dent the spoon - this is impossible :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes i spent a whole year writing it down :)
Archmage Atlantis: If you talk from the "heart. Zen, there is no too much, or too little.
Zen Arado: true Arch..but ...
Archmage Atlantis: but.. tell us, it is important to truth
Zen Arado: so much speeech designed to impress others
Woolcinder Oxidor: is listening from the heart even better than talking from the heart
Zen Arado: or to manipulate others...
Fefonz Quan: Yes wool, the first one doesn't even need words sometimes
Archmage Atlantis: Fael,does that not relate to our conversation about concent?
Zen Arado: your mic is open Liza
Liza Deischer: thanks
Liza Deischer: (happens a lot with viewer 2.0)
--BELL--
Fefonz Quan: (are you all using the new viewer?)
Liza Deischer: (i neede to today, I crashed twice with emerald)
Archmage Atlantis: No, I am old.....to slow to figure it out
Fael Illyar: I see 2 people on viewer 2.0, 4 (+myself) on emerald. 4 unknown, most likely the old official linden viewer
Pema Pera: bye everybody!
Liza Deischer: bye Pema
Fael Illyar: Have fun Pema :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)
Pema Pera: hi and bye Wol !
Zen Arado: bye Pema
Fefonz Quan: bye Pema!
Wol Euler: bye pema
Liza Deischer: hi Wol
Fael Illyar: make 6 for emerald now
Wol Euler: hello everyone else
Wol Euler: sorry I'm late
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Fefonz Quan: hi WOl!
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Pem
Agatha Macbeth waves to Wol
Mickorod Renard: bye wol
Zen Arado: I have been using it lately
Mickorod Renard: bye Pema
Zen Arado: takes some getting used to
Archmage Atlantis: Give your pulished papher an award pejma\
Liza Deischer: and voice is giving less complications with the new viewer, though the mic wants to be open all the time :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Clunky
Zen Arado: I don't like the camera controls
Agatha Macbeth: Me either
Liza Deischer: meneither
Wol Euler: I haven't heard anyone who does
Fefonz Quan: I asked cause it feels like i loose some of the mesages here, and i wonder if i should switch to a new viewer
Zen Arado: keep having to switch
Agatha Macbeth: Just about everything seems to be where you don't want it to be
Liza Deischer: what kind of messages
Liza Deischer: can't think of any
Fefonz Quan: peoples responses Liza :)
Liza Deischer: I would say that is not about the viewer
Archmage Atlantis: I don't like being told to go west, then get pulled back to go right
Agatha Macbeth: Go west young Arch :)
Mickorod Renard: the subliminal ones Fef?
Liza Deischer: and if west and right are the same thing :-)
Fefonz Quan: are there any like that Mick ;-)
Zen Arado: hmmm... west is left surely?
Fefonz Quan: ?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Liza Deischer: if you go to the north yes
Zen Arado: is the convention?
Liza Deischer: ?
Wol Euler: on paper, yes
Wol Euler: though that is fairly recent, until around 1600 east was usually up
Zen Arado: well ...globes usually have North on top
Liza Deischer: right and lieft isrelated ot my body
Liza Deischer: east and west to the area
Liza Deischer: *right and left are related to my body
Zen Arado: thinks of weather maps
Liza Deischer: think of my right hand ;-)
Zen Arado: :)
Mickorod Renard: do you still have east and west in space?
Zen Arado: it is just a convention
Zen Arado: a human device
Liza Deischer: nice question, don't think so
Wol Euler grins. Good question, Mick.
Woolcinder Oxidor: east and west are related to the earths magnetic field
Zen Arado: if we say it is it is
Agatha Macbeth will consult HAL
Wol Euler: I'd guess that they are inapplicable to you when you are out there
Woolcinder Oxidor: but you do have a celestial north and south pole
Mickorod Renard: grin
Zen Arado: HAL will throw us out
Agatha Macbeth: 'This is highly irregular dave'
Mickorod Renard: spose u cud head for the north star and then carry on north after u pass it
Fefonz Quan: you might apply them to solar system coordinates, or galaxial ones,
Zen Arado: :)
Archmage Atlantis: He learned it from the Mayand, Hal is a poseur
Fefonz Quan: when the north aligns with the axis of rotation etc.
Mickorod Renard: depends if the universe is curved
Woolcinder Oxidor: even on earth the two poles do not coincide
Woolcinder Oxidor: the magnetic north and the true north
Liza Deischer is pondering about celestial north and south pole
Zen Arado: yes but we could have called the north the south
Fefonz Quan: well, this is just some technical glitch :)
Zen Arado: just a convention
Mickorod Renard: I suppose if u headed in the same direction that the universe expanded from u wud end up at all points of the compass at the same place
Agatha Macbeth: Don't maps of the moon usually put south at the top?
Fefonz Quan: well, the point is that the universe exapnds in ALL directions :)
Zen Arado: the top?
Liza Deischer: right fonz
Woolcinder Oxidor: there is a thing called a unipole...a magnet with just one pole...either north or south
Agatha Macbeth: Believe s, yes
Agatha Macbeth: so
Zen Arado: it's all relative to the observer
Archmage Atlantis: Socrates basic messige was to question, ......he was willing to drink the hemlock
Liza Deischer: need to get some work done
Zen Arado: was he Arch?
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liza
Zen Arado: bye Liza
Woolcinder Oxidor: unipoles are expected to be found at the very early age of the universe
Liza Deischer: see you
Fefonz Quan: bye Liza
Mickorod Renard: but if u travelled faster than light, surely the universe would shrink?
Wol Euler: bye liza
Woolcinder Oxidor: bye liza
Mickorod Renard: bye Liza
Archmage Atlantis: He did not want to Zen
Woolcinder Oxidor: but you cant do that....your mass will reach infinity
Zen Arado: he was forced surely?
Zen Arado: a death sentence
Archmage Atlantis: but to make new future, he did
Fefonz Quan: are you sure about magnetic unipoles Wool? I thought they don't exist
Woolcinder Oxidor: they are stilla theory yes...
Zen Arado: if he didn't drink it they would have killed him some other way
Woolcinder Oxidor: we do not have enough energy to create one...as yet
Mickorod Renard: u cud travel faster than light if u had no mass
Fefonz Quan: ok, now i am more relaxed :)
Zen Arado: sorry 2 threads here
Archmage Atlantis: of course Zwn
Woolcinder Oxidor: no mick...to travel faster then light you would need a negative mass....
Fefonz Quan: in a way, if you had no mass you could travel exactly at the speed of light
Woolcinder Oxidor: photons dont have mass and they travel at the speed of light
Mickorod Renard: I had no breakfast this morning in my attempt to reduce mass
Archmage Atlantis: He chose so his ideas would live
--BELL--
Fefonz Quan: so do you feel lighter Mick?
Mickorod Renard: well, I have made up for it during lunch and dinner
Mickorod Renard: but the thought was there
Zen Arado: don't think he had much of a choice Arch
Zen Arado: just to be able to perform his own execution
Woolcinder Oxidor: they are caled tachyons..theoretical again..having negative mass...and travelling faster then light
Zen Arado: not a choice I would like
Fefonz Quan: (and that;'s called mass conversation mick
Mickorod Renard: coooool
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't einstein say you cant travel faster than light?
Fefonz Quan: yes he did
Mickorod Renard: only cos of his crazy theory
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Woolcinder Oxidor: tachyons satisfy relativity by having negative mass...
Mickorod Renard: :)
Fael Illyar: did he mention traveling or did he mean just moving?
Fefonz Quan: you can't travel faster if you nstarted slower]
Mickorod Renard: thats a point
Agatha Macbeth: Samwe thing Fael ;-)
Woolcinder Oxidor: there is a way you can actually travel faster than light
Agatha Macbeth: -w
Mickorod Renard: but is it?
Fael Illyar: Agatha, not necessarily :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is it?
Zen Arado: trying to visualise negative mass
Mickorod Renard: and how is that WOOL?
Agatha Macbeth: If i travel, I move
Woolcinder Oxidor: if you were travelling in water...the speed of light in water is less than that in vacuum
Mickorod Renard: SORRY,FOR SHOUTING
Fael Illyar: Agatha, yes, today, it's the only known method of traveling.
Agatha Macbeth: THAT'S OK MICK
Archmage Atlantis: Within the boundaries of Einstien, he knew he did not do a good thing
Woolcinder Oxidor: so you could exceed the speed of light in water...doing this releases a blue light
Archmage Atlantis: He did an necssicary thing, that is faith
Woolcinder Oxidor: its called karenkovs radiation
Fefonz Quan: yes, cherniak radiation i think
Mickorod Renard: so in the water relative universe things are diferent
Fefonz Quan: yet Einstein wqas talking about the speed of light in vacuum i believe
Archmage Atlantis: Buh
Woolcinder Oxidor: no the absolute speed is the light speed in vacuum...not in other media
Wol Euler slips out quietly. Goodnight all, take care not to travel too fast.
Zen Arado: bye Wol
Woolcinder Oxidor: yes Fef
Mickorod Renard: nite Wol
Zen Arado: time I went too
Zen Arado: nite all
Mickorod Renard: nite Zen
Fefonz Quan: me too. Good night all, _/!\_
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni will beam out also :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: bye Zen
Mickorod Renard: nite Fef
Mickorod Renard: nameste
Calvino Rabeni: namaste all
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Zen, Fonz
Mickorod Renard: I must go too,,I need some sleep
Mickorod Renard: thankyou for the fun night
Fael Illyar: Good night Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: nite nite all
Agatha Macbeth: Off to bed with you Mick :)
Woolcinder Oxidor: bye Mick
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, Moon is oline.....perhaps he will take comfort. ...Namaste all
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arch
Woolcinder Oxidor: i must leavetoo
Woolcinder Oxidor: my viewer is playing tricks on me
Woolcinder Oxidor: bye ladies
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now
Fael Illyar: Bye wool :)
Spider Paule: namaste all :-)
Fael Illyar: Have fun Spider :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye
Fael Illyar: well, people evaporated rather fast tonight :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, yes
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it was something we said
Agatha Macbeth: That is a very lovely outfit
Fael Illyar: nah, they were just in a hurry :)
Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you.'
Fael Illyar: You did see it yesterday too though :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I meant to ask where you got it from?
Fael Illyar: let me see if it came with a landmark :)
Agatha Macbeth: Some landmark!
Fael Illyar: see you there? :)
Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ok