2012.01.08 08:00 - Guardian's Meeting: Possible Ireland Retreat

Present were: Aphrodite, boxy, Bruce, Riddle, Steve, Samuo, Wol, Xirana, Yaku and Zen. Comments by Zen Arado. Posted by Zen Arado.

boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Zen, boxy:)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): gah, it's terribly laggy for me
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Boxy.
Wol Euler: hello boxy, zen
boxy's nose: Bruce slowly strokes boxy's wet nose
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes..today SL is silly..Adams could not move
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey zen, boxy
boxy's nose: Wol Euler appreciates boxy's nose
Zen (zen.arado): Hi all
boxy (alfred.kelberry): xiri and woly girls :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yaku-san and bruce :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): can't see zen
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ah, there
Zen (zen.arado): oh?
Wol Euler: he#s hiding
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Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :-)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): sorry, sl is acting up
boxy (alfred.kelberry): weird
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): he lbecause he looks more sharming then usually today :)
Zen (zen.arado): looks aren't everything?
Zen (zen.arado): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *looks at woly*
Wol Euler bats her eyelashes innocently
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): oh yes!---looks are everything:)
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boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'll try to relog
Zen (zen.arado): :)
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Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): wb boxy

Bruce's and Aph's slots changes:

Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): are you sure today was the 'restart' of the guardian meetings? it's wonderful to meet you all again...but I've missed Eliza's planning :)
Zen (zen.arado): wb boxy
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): wb boxy:9
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): thanks, yaku
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, i miss eliza too :/ some special warmth is absent now
Wol Euler nods.
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): There is a brief questions I have. . .
boxy (alfred.kelberry): we're lost sheeps now. eating grass and romaing around :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): haha
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Aph will be leaving her Saturday 13:00 session and going to another one...
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Would it be all right if I moved from Tuesdays 13:00 to Aph's session on Saturdays 13:00????
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): better for me there.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): sure
Wol Euler: moved what?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): kk.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I will start that this week.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): we'll put up a request for tue 1 pm
Wol Euler: oh, your guardianship
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): well..if she is moving I think there's no problem at all
Zen (zen.arado): it's up to you I guess Bruce
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Since the Dream Circle meets at 13:00 on Tuesdays, there are rarely many folks at the Tues session.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): kk.
Zen (zen.arado): Sat 7am is probaby hareder to cover
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I will write to all Pabbers Guardians about this switch.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I have a meditation group every morning at 7 a.m. slt....
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): (Garden of Peace -- 7 a.m.)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I will have more time after this next week...so I think I will be able to come saturdays 7 am
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Eliza asked if the Guardians want to meet Saturday mornings instead of Sundays.
Zen (zen.arado): it seems hard to get new guardians to commit to a regular slot

Guardianship worries and issues:

Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I am always a little scared of taking a session because of my English..I have improved a lot since coming to SL..but when a seroius discussion is taking place I probably miss a lot of words
Zen (zen.arado): unerstand Xirana
Wol Euler nods.
Zen (zen.arado): I miss a lot and I can speak good English :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hehe :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :)
Wol Euler: it can be very fast, yes
boxy (alfred.kelberry): xiri, i think it's the attitude that counts. and you make a nice, cute guardian :)
Wol Euler: and threads of conversation run across each other
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Wol Euler: agreed
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ty boxy... :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :)
Zen (zen.arado): I think some are scared of posting too
Zen (zen.arado): might need tutorial
Wol Euler: the main functions of the guardian are greeting newcomers (explaining about the website and asking permission to quote them), and posting the logs
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Everyone new to posting should have someone to walk her/him through the process.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): in real time.
Wol Euler nods.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): there's a nice perk of being a guardian - you get to pick the title for a session :)
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes, one of many perks.
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): and taking care of everyone beeing respectful to others too
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Editing the sessions and posting them is a delight.
Wol Euler: yes, that too
Wol Euler: keeping the peace can be difficult
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes
Zen (zen.arado): yes :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): or paddle someone at times :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :)))
Wol Euler: some like that though...
boxy (alfred.kelberry): er, true :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): also... before holidays we were talking about having a special topic each session
Wol Euler: have to be sure before you start whether it would be seen as a punishment or as a reward
Wol Euler: hello aph
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Aph:)
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Aph
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey aph
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Morning all
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Aph! I just told everyone that I'm going to be GoC of your Saturday 13:00 sessions from now on.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): oh, on this point, xiri. i left the pabbox (qoutes from the past sessions) at the pavilion to facilitate new topics in case there's a holdup :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): and will send a message to all Guardians about it, too.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Thbaks and I'm going to be GOC at1 on Sunday
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Is our newest Guardian here? Tess?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): starting today, Aph??
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ahh thanks for telling boxy..I will have a look at it:)
Wol Euler: great
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): no next week
boxy (alfred.kelberry): no, aph. only 6 of us
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): kk. . . next week, thanks.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hmm I wonder if she knows...
boxy (alfred.kelberry): and eos is coming
Wol Euler: is she inworld?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): question: who is managing the guardian slots? eliza?
Zen (zen.arado): think so
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I guess so, she has been sending out the notices
Wol Euler: I believe she inherited that when Lia went to Boston
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I sghould have told Tess about this meeting I guess. Sher's not on lime
Wol Euler: nope
Wol Euler: just IMed her
Zen (zen.arado): she's in the group so should get the emails?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): hmm I'm still not awake
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, make sure she gets all the recent changes on the slots
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I hink so, Eliza was going to tell her
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /,e pinches Aph to be sure.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): .me rubs slep from her eyes- late nightm noisy cata
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): cats
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *gives aph a cup of strong coffee*
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): thanks body
boxy (alfred.kelberry): and a cookie
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): er boxy
Coffee Mug whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
Wol Euler gives Aph a cat-sized valium pill
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): :-)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I must go now... have a nice day all!!
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): see you soon!
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye, Xir!
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): valium and coffee. delicious
Wol Euler: bye xir, thanks for the retreat info
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye take care bruce:)
Zen (zen.arado): bye Xirana
Zen (zen.arado): re retrreats
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye xriana
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ahh yes:)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): er, why valium, woly?
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Retreat Discussion:

Zen (zen.arado): somebody better make a decision soon?
Turkish Coffee whispers: hhmm rich dark coffee, what a kick!
Wol Euler points to the "noisy cats" part of Aph's complaint/explanation
boxy (alfred.kelberry): zen, which one?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ah, cute kitties :)
Zen (zen.arado): not for me to decide
Wol Euler: I am absolutely decided that there will be a retreat in early July. No excuses, no prisoners.
Zen (zen.arado): but who?
Wol Euler: even if I have to arrange it myself.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): oh, retreat
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): they decided to chase each other at 1AM
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Venice?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, early july
Wol Euler: why don't we decide that? not hte six of us, but those who are actually interested.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): venice is a meetup, bruce
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): that was going to be more of a meet up than a retreat I think
Wol Euler: Venice is a wonderful idea, but early July there is hell on wheels.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): oh, sry.
Wol Euler: too hot, too expensive, too many tourists
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): far too hot and busy. Fall would be nice
Wol Euler: or spring, yes
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i understand we talk about the retreat now
Wol Euler: and yes
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes spring in Venice- has a nice ring to it
Wol Euler smiles.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): agreed
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): there is a sor of agenda that eliza suggested
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'll probably miss the retreat
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I tried to find mine -- can you share it with us, Aph?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I am concerned that the retreat be as accessible as possible- financially and physically
boxy (alfred.kelberry): opt for a meetup
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I'll look for it. Hold on
Wol Euler: 1. RL Retreat Planning,
2. Tools and boundaries for guardians hosting sessions - Guardian Discretion
3. Shall we move Weekly Guardian Sessions to Saturday mornings, at 7AM?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ty, Aph.
Wol Euler: we seem to be doing 1 already
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): who is heading the next retreat planning?
Wol Euler: depends where the retreat is, boxy
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): 1. RL Retreat Planning,

2. Tools and boundaries for guardians hosting sessions - Guardian Discretion

This is a topic which has many possible tentacles, but is timely
on a number of levels. What do we do when, as a guardian we have
an attendee who is overrunning the session and quieter contributors?

What do we do when there is someone who we may lose patience with?

The group has come back to this topic a number of times, and each time
seems to err in the direction of not trying to 'control' sessions with forced
structure, but are we missing something? Might we find a better balance?

For me, I've begun to notice that planning beforehand with topics (have really
enjoyed hosting a few APAPB sessions so far) is helpful, but that *in the moment*
IMing is somewhat helpful. It is rare but there ARE times to IM someone to ask
them to give a bit of space to other participants.

3. Shall we move Weekly Guardian Sessions to Saturday mornings, at 7AM?

We have a number of open s
boxy (alfred.kelberry): well, someone has to be the man to go to
Wol Euler: whoever choses the place, arranges
boxy (alfred.kelberry): the wiki says eos
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): 1. RL Retreat Planning,

2. Tools and boundaries for guardians hosting sessions - Guardian Discretion

This is a topic which has many possible tentacles, but is timely
on a number of levels. What do we do when, as a guardian we have
an attendee who is overrunning the session and quieter contributors?

What do we do when there is someone who we may lose patience with?

The group has come back to this topic a number of times, and each time
seems to err in the direction of not trying to 'control' sessions with forced
structure, but are we missing something? Might we find a better balance?

For me, I've begun to notice that planning beforehand with topics (have really
enjoyed hosting a few APAPB sessions so far) is helpful, but that *in the moment*
IMing is somewhat helpful. It is rare but there ARE times to IM someone to ask
them to give a bit of space to other participants.

3. Shall we move Weekly Guardian Sessions to Saturday mornings, at 7AM?

We have a number of open

Wol Euler: he is coordinator for all retraets, he does not plan single ones
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): 1. RL Retreat Planning,

2. Tools and boundaries for guardians hosting sessions - Guardian Discretion

This is a topic which has many possible tentacles, but is timely
on a number of levels. What do we do when, as a guardian we have
an attendee who is overrunning the session and quieter contributors?

What do we do when there is someone who we may lose patience with?

The group has come back to this topic a number of times, and each time
seems to err in the direction of not trying to 'control' sessions with forced
structure, but are we missing something? Might we find a better balance?

For me, I've begun to notice that planning beforehand with topics (have really
enjoyed hosting a few APAPB sessions so far) is helpful, but that *in the moment*
IMing is somewhat helpful. It is rare but there ARE times to IM someone to ask
them to give a bit of space to other participants.

3. Shall we move Weekly Guardian Sessions to Saturday mornings, at 7AM?
Wol Euler: except those in Halifax, where he lives
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): . RL Retreat Planning,

2. Tools and boundaries for guardians hosting sessions - Guardian Discretion

This is a topic which has many possible tentacles, but is timely
on a number of levels. What do we do when, as a guardian we have
an attendee who is overrunning the session and quieter contributors?

What do we do when there is someone who we may lose patience with?

The group has come back to this topic a number of times, and each time
seems to err in the direction of not trying to 'control' sessions with forced
structure, but are we missing something? Might we find a better balance?

For me, I've begun to notice that planning beforehand with topics (have really
enjoyed hosting a few APAPB sessions so far) is helpful, but that *in the moment*
IMing is somewhat helpful. It is rare but there ARE times to IM someone to ask
them to give a bit of space to other participants.

Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Having a hard time pasting
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i read proposals. there are quite a few options. i think someone has to narrow them down.
Turkish Coffee whispers: hhmm rich dark coffee, what a kick!
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): 1. RL Retreat Planning,
Wol Euler: go ahead, boxy, start us off

Wol Euler: thank you, aph
Zen (zen.arado): might be better if I drop out
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i say spain. next question? :)
Wol Euler: oh :(
Zen (zen.arado): so you don't have to worry about disabled facilities
Wol Euler: um, no. :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): No Zen don t drop out
Wol Euler: if you want to attend then we will find a place that works
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we can find a way. We are PABBERS!
Zen (zen.arado): when it says disabled accdessible it still might not be for me
Wol Euler: absolutely
Zen (zen.arado): that term cna be pretty meaningless
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): let's find out
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I would not want to attend any retreats that could not accommodate Zen.
Zen (zen.arado): I wouldn't want to g somewhere I could not manage
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Is spain OK for you or does it have to be in Britain?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): zen, i suggest to drop out the worry :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): :-)
Zen (zen.arado): I have experience of this
Wol Euler nods.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): :-)

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): How about a retreat in Northern Ireland?
Zen (zen.arado): even the local place I go to is pretty difficult
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): another chance to paractice
boxy (alfred.kelberry): bruce, good one
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what is the main challenge?
Zen (zen.arado): but at least I can come home easily
Wol Euler: happy new year, riddle
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi everyBody, sorry late
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Riddle.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes, perhaps YOU can suggest a place Zen
boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi, riddle (discussing the retreat)
Zen (zen.arado): showering and touletting
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hiya Riddle.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): need coffee Riddle?
Zen (zen.arado): toilettin
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: yes, I can see that zen.
Riddle Sideways whispers: s, should have whispered
Wol Euler: it would rule out older buildings, practically speaking
Zen (zen.arado): I really need a proper shower chair and few places provide that
Wol Euler nods.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It is the rule isn't it in public buildings to have wheelchair access toilets?
Wol Euler: aph, that usually means that the door is 95cm wide :)
Zen (zen.arado): able-bodied don't really understand
Wol Euler <- architect
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ah. :-)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): bows to superior knowledge :-)
Wol Euler: whereas the door is only the start of the issues, so to speak
Zen (zen.arado): the details
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, shower chair - we should point that out in the retreat group after the meeting. aph, will you do that?
Zen (zen.arado): itwouldn't make any difference
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): after the meeting?
Zen (zen.arado): I have been going to a place in Ireland 6 years and still tey don't change much
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *thinks aph is charing this meeting* :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): why dont you make a list of your needs in an email Zen?
Wol Euler: heh
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Aph doesn't think so because she still has a hard time thinking
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) wonders whether a RL retreat has ever used a SKYPE connection for someone unable to attend in person.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, i will
Wol Euler: now that is interesting, boxy
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): thanks boxy
Wol Euler: *bruce, sorry
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Wol Euler: you do look alike
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) is flattered to be confused with boxy.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): lol
Zen (zen.arado): place I go to for meditation every week has too high beds, difficult toilet, heavy spring loaded fire doors
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
boxy's nose: Bruce gently squeezes boxy's nose
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): make a list of your needs Zen and we will look for that. Do you know places in Ireland that have such facilities?
Zen (zen.arado): only theat place I just mentioned
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sorry, missed that.
Zen (zen.arado): I just pointed out its defects too
Wol Euler nods.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, aph. then individual organizers can call and make sure their places have what you need.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): right
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It may not be perfect Zen...
Coffee Mug whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): but we would love to have you with us
boxy (alfred.kelberry): zen, send an email to the retreat group
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
Wol Euler thinks. If we found a suitable hotel and just rented an extra room to sit in ...
Zen (zen.arado): there is a hotel near me
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): good idea Wol
Zen (zen.arado): if there was a room to use..
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): can you check Zen?
Wol Euler: most hotels have extra non-sleeping rooms, for parties or such
Wol Euler: happy new year, stevie
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, steve.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): stev :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes- which could be our meeting room
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): waves
stevenaia Michinaga: waves, dropping in :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): talking about accessible retreats Steve
Zen (zen.arado): http://www.premierinn.com/en/hotel/C.../carrickfergus
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): wazzat?
Riddle Sideways: Hi Stev
stevenaia Michinaga: accessible in terms of disabilites or location?
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey steve
Zen (zen.arado): cheap too
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Steve
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): carrickfergus- thiks of van Morrison song
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yhinks
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): thinks
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sigh
Zen (zen.arado): it's beside the sea
boxy (alfred.kelberry): *tickles aph*
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sounds lovely.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): how much?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain) giggles
Zen (zen.arado): 500 yards from my apartment
boxy (alfred.kelberry): it looks very nice
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): how much?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): cant seem to see my chat history
Zen (zen.arado): usually between £25 to £30 pernight
Zen (zen.arado): not sure if fit has a conference room tho
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): That's not bad at all (cost).
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): that's about $50-60?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes.
stevenaia Michinaga: how many can you accommodate in your apartment?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): a bit less, actually.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): prtty good!
Zen (zen.arado): my apartment id 2 bedroom
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think it's nicer to conference in someone's room on a couch :)
Zen (zen.arado): I could check
Wol Euler: can't see a contact address to ask about the meeting room ...
Zen (zen.arado): yeh
boxy (alfred.kelberry): like we did, woly :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): wow. this sounds like it might happen!
Zen (zen.arado): top RH corner
Wol Euler: average is 61 pounds a night for the week of july 17
Zen (zen.arado): could use my apartment if necessary
Zen (zen.arado): oh
Zen (zen.arado): hmmm was cheaper before
Wol Euler: that's a possibility, if it would work for you
boxy (alfred.kelberry): 94 usd
Wol Euler: because it's high season
Zen (zen.arado): had friends here
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): http://www.premierinn.com/en/busines...ing_rooms.html
Zen (zen.arado): must be time of year
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): 94 USD/night??
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Lucinda Lavender is Online
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what's that Bruce?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): that's a lot more
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Thats the meeting rooms.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): oh
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, aph. for july.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): still cant open chat history
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what is the weather like in July Zen?
Zen (zen.arado): usually best time of the year
Zen (zen.arado): warm and wet:)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Luci
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Luci!
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Luci
Lucinda Lavender: HI all...sorry for being late
Wol Euler: hello luci, no problem
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Lucy
boxy (alfred.kelberry): luci! :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): all we sleepy west coasters
Riddle Sideways: yep
Lucinda Lavender: yes
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, i think we should include this place into the pool
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hard to wake up when it's dark (and you have noisy cats)
Zen (zen.arado): would it be early July?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we are close to finding a retreat place in July
boxy (alfred.kelberry): and ask around who can visit ireland in july
Zen (zen.arado): 12th July is a holiday here
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what holiday?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): carnival? :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :)
Zen (zen.arado): celebrates Battle of the Boyne
Zen (zen.arado): a Protestant thing
Wol Euler: ah :)
Zen (zen.arado): marching bands
boxy (alfred.kelberry): boys playing knights
Zen (zen.arado): best not to be here then
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): uniforms
Zen (zen.arado): yeh
boxy (alfred.kelberry): neat
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): and everone wears orange?
Zen (zen.arado): something like that
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm rhymes with orange
Zen (zen.arado): 12th and 13th July are public holidays
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): would that be a bad time to go? No rooms at the hotel etc
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): so the hotel would be full, probably.
Zen (zen.arado): yes bad time
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): maybe we avoid holidays
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): snap.
Zen (zen.arado): before that ok
boxy (alfred.kelberry): unless you book *right now* :)
Wol Euler: there are rooms available right now, with enough advance time that woul.d not be a problem
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we would have to send it out to other guardians.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): might be fun to see the marchers, too.
Wol Euler: sure, but we have to do that anyway :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): um. are we then decided that it will be July in Ireland?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph, the retreat group (not pab)
Wol Euler: wherever we want to go, we should try to book it next month at the latest
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes, only six months away now.
Zen (zen.arado): yes
boxy (alfred.kelberry): or "whole six months"
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ok so we wont look any further if the hotel is available during the first or second week of July?
Wol Euler: you laugh, but my first choice location for the German retreat last year was booked on our chosen week a full year ahead
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-0
Zen (zen.arado): first week of July only I would recommend
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): A view of the sea sounds very attractive
boxy (alfred.kelberry): woly, clearly a bad choice :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): OK so july 1-7?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, go
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): gogo!
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ok who's booking thi? Zen?
Wol Euler: perhaps read back a week or three in the mailing list, when theere was a discussion of dates already
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): will we need a credit card?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): zen does next week
Zen (zen.arado): hey better wit for nput from others
Wol Euler: no need to reinvent that wheel
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Zen!!
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): agrees with Zen -- sound out the membership first.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I agree. Let's send out an email proposing the first week of July in Ireland and see who's interested.
Zen (zen.arado): but firm decision next week?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, zen
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Give a deadline for response
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): please
Zen (zen.arado): need rough idea of numbers too
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Best check the maximum number of single rooms
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): available
Zen (zen.arado): yes
boxy (alfred.kelberry): say 10
Zen (zen.arado): anyone willing to double up?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ok 10
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i don't think there will be more
Zen (zen.arado): I don't need a room really
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): probably not
Zen (zen.arado): but would like one just to be there
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): If it's round the cornder from you that would be great
boxy (alfred.kelberry): and if there's more, they'll bunk with woly ;)
Zen (zen.arado): if you know what I mean
Wol Euler: :-P
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): who snores?
Zen (zen.arado): 5 mins walk from my place
Wol Euler: well, if people are willing to share a room, htat would greatly reduce their cost per night
boxy (alfred.kelberry): pretty avs don't snore :)
Zen (zen.arado): plenty of restaurants too
Zen (zen.arado): cinema
Zen (zen.arado): walking distance
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) starts to drool.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): hehe
Aph (aphrodite.macbain) realizes she may not be a pretty av
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): and pubs with music!
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph :)
Zen (zen.arado): ah not really
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): no pubs?
Zen (zen.arado): they arerare in the North
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): too many protestants for pubs, Zen?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): really?
Zen (zen.arado): pub restaurant nearby
boxy (alfred.kelberry): question: who is writing on the ireland to the retreat group? zen?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we'll have to make our own music.
Zen (zen.arado): plenty of pubs just not much music except weekends
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Zen (zen.arado): has guitars
boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, we can do music :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Samuo.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi sam. We're going to Ireland
boxy (alfred.kelberry): sam :)
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Sam :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi oO
Wol Euler: hello sam
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey sam
boxy (alfred.kelberry): pack your things
Samúð (oo0oo): :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Wol Euler: I will hvae to leave you here, my dears. I *desperately* need a nap.
Wol Euler: take care, enjoy your sundays
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aww
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye! wol
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ooops. . . just realized it's after noon in RL and must get ready for the Quackers.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): nap well, woly
Samúð (oo0oo): Nap well Wol :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Thanks everyone.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): 2. Tools and boundaries for guardians hosting sessions - Guardian Discretion


This is a topic which has many possible tentacles, but is timely
on a number of levels. What do we do when, as a guardian we have
an attendee who is overrunning the session and quieter contributors?


What do we do when there is someone who we may lose patience with?
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Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Maybe next week?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye for now.
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Zen (zen.arado): byee all
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): who will grab the log?
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye bruce, all leavers
boxy (alfred.kelberry): first, calm down
Zen (zen.arado): who is posting log?
Samúð (oo0oo): Bye Zen :)
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Aph (aphrodite.macbain): can you Zen?
Zen (zen.arado): ok
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): thanks!
Samúð (oo0oo): How does one claim the meeting log here?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): logs from sl :)
Zen (zen.arado): oh I have timestamps
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): you dont "claim" it.
boxy (alfred.kelberry): no logger here
Samúð (oo0oo): Oh, from ones viewer log OK
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): you just get it from your files
Riddle Sideways: ok, bye all
Samúð (oo0oo): Sorry to arrive late, but gts everyone regardless's