2012.01.08 13:00 - Boneless Prunes, Placebos, and Godsmack

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.   A small but happy gathering of marshmallow munchers.  Compassionate doctors, effective placebos, and boneless prunes were featured themes. 

Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Korel
Multiverse1 Resident: you annoying female you

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: That is e... smiles
Korel Laloix: Not that I can type today to show it...
Multiverse1 Resident: well Korel, you are well put together this current tymeframe!
Korel Laloix: Well put together?
Multiverse1 Resident: I am amazed
Korel Laloix: At what?
Multiverse1 Resident: Yes you are absolutely Beautiful!
Korel Laloix smiles
Multiverse1 Resident: I nevr new
Korel Laloix: Thanks... I do try.
Bruce Mowbray sends 'Hi!' vibes to the usual suspects.
Multiverse1 Resident: You Succeed Miss!
Korel Laloix: I try to make my AV as much like me RL as I can, but Korel is much more pretty I have to admit.
Multiverse1 Resident: wow
Multiverse1 Resident: ok then
Multiverse1 Resident: it was an interesting thing, and very pleasant indeed
Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Bruce
Korel Laloix: Why interesting?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Multi and Kori.
Korel Laloix: Bozho
Multiverse1 Resident: What is Bozho?
Multiverse1 Resident: A Clown
Multiverse1 Resident: Bozo?
Korel Laloix: Hello in Bode'wadmimwen
Multiverse1 Resident: you are tiny Korel
Multiverse1 Resident: German?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce, Korel and Multiverse :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Sharon.
Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Sophia
Multiverse1 Resident: How are you/
Korel Laloix: I am rather small in RL as well.
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, and now I see how you are in sl as well
Korel Laloix: Not German... Bode'wadmimwen is a First American Language. Also known as Potawatomi.
Multiverse1 Resident: Indian?
Multiverse1 Resident: really?
Korel Laloix: Preffer the term First American.
Multiverse1 Resident: Can you show me this/
Multiverse1 Resident: 1st American. what were their names?
Korel Laloix: http://www.potawatomi.org/
Korel Laloix: One of my tribes.
Multiverse1 Resident: Just looking it up
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Multiverse
Bruce Mowbray: Multi had this problem earlier today, too - He keeps disappearing and reappearing.
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe it's the heat from that fire.

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Korel Laloix: wado
Multiverse1 Resident: Sorry Korel, I had a Firefox update which booted me
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have an unavoidable rl distraction atm, brb :)
Bruce Mowbray: I got the same update, Multi - -
Bruce Mowbray: kk, Sharon.
Multiverse1 Resident: hmm
Bruce Mowbray: I learned a cool fact this week . . .
Multiverse1 Resident: will it put out the fire?
Bruce Mowbray: Did you know that placebos are twice as "effective" if they are administered by compassionate health care professionals?
Bruce Mowbray: Clinical trials prove it.
Multiverse1 Resident: no, a study of human reactions.
Bruce Mowbray: Should have said, "twice as effective if administered by doctors who were perceived by their patients as being compassionate."
Multiverse1 Resident: to imaginary cures?
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps imaginary. . .
Multiverse1 Resident: placebos
Bruce Mowbray: but what isn't?
Multiverse1 Resident: hmmm
Multiverse1 Resident: is the fire, real then?
Bruce Mowbray: Do you imagine it to be so?
Multiverse1 Resident: no
Bruce Mowbray: If so, you are going to toast -- sitting so close to it.
Multiverse1 Resident: got any marshmallows?
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I do -- Just a second....
Korel Laloix: Back in a bit.
Korel Laloix: Thanks much
Multiverse1 Resident: ha ha ha
Multiverse1 Resident: you do, damn it!
Multiverse1 Resident: figures
Multiverse1 Resident: can't smell or taste them, and they don't burn either
Multiverse1 Resident: but Very Nice!
SophiaSharon Larnia: back, sorry to be so rude
Multiverse1 Resident: roasting fish too?
SophiaSharon Larnia: marshmallows? :)

Multiverse1 Resident: no worries Sh
SophiaSharon Larnia: eep
Multiverse1 Resident: you remind me of someone Sophia
Bruce Mowbray: wb, Sharon!
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Brucie
SophiaSharon Larnia: and who is that Multiverse :)
Bruce Mowbray: yw!
Multiverse1 Resident: wasn't it you who asked if we had met before?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
Multiverse1 Resident: yep
Multiverse1 Resident: sophia what are you up to?
Multiverse1 Resident: so-phia
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh just woke up thought id come to PaB to see what was going on
SophiaSharon Larnia: what shiny gems I can collect to add to my gem bag
Multiverse1 Resident: awakening is pleasant
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for the photo, Multi!
Multiverse1 Resident: I'm going to find you one.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yea, the alternative is hmm, interesting, but not for today?
SophiaSharon Larnia: have a relatively still mind lately, yea, yippee and woot
Bruce Mowbray: I've been thinking about compassion . . . ever since hearing about the placebos. . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh just read that in chat Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: and thought that the effects of compassion have been recognized for many centuries -- long before modern medicine and placebos.
SophiaSharon Larnia: and I'd like to see the data, but i think it could be true
Bruce Mowbray: I heard it on National Public Radio this week. as I was commuting between doctors.
SophiaSharon Larnia: but of course, the ethical thing would be to let the patient know that they are receiving a placebo
Bruce Mowbray: (compassionate doctors, I should add.)
SophiaSharon Larnia: which negates the experiment/effect :)

--BELL--

Multiverse1 Resident: tediousness
Multiverse1 Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SSUQxGjZZ4#t=4s
SophiaSharon Larnia: (I mean in an everyday rl situation not double blind research study)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but its very evocative --mind over matter!
Bruce Mowbray: You cannot do that and still call it a clinical study on "placebos" - because by definition, the patient cannot not know she's getting a sugar pill.
Multiverse1 Resident: my local friends
SophiaSharon Larnia: ack did i just babble all over the bell? sorry
SophiaSharon Larnia: right
Bruce Mowbray: np. Sharon. Probably my fault because I put the fountain down low. Will raise it again now.
SophiaSharon Larnia: nah, it is my viewer and internet
Bruce Mowbray: or try to raise it.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zon
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon.
Zon Kwan: heya
Bruce Mowbray: Care for some marshmallows?
Zon Kwan: please
Bruce Mowbray: There you go.
Zon Kwan: thx:)
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
SophiaSharon Larnia: but what would to the rl implications of such a study be? You cant dispense sugar pills and tell them it is something else
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Here is my point:
Bruce Mowbray: The power of compassion to effect change was known at least 2500 years ago....
Bruce Mowbray: and now modern medicine seems to be demonstrating that.
Bruce Mowbray: through placebo studies.
Multiverse1 Resident: 2nd link, if you want it
Bruce Mowbray: (That will catch you up on the entire session, Zon.
Multiverse1 Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9SSUQxGjZZ4#t=4s
Zon Kwan: how does placebo an compassion relate ?
Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear. . . now Mozilla wants to update itself -- before I can see that page.
Bruce Mowbray is anxious he might disappear - like Multi.
SophiaSharon Larnia: no worries I'll wait Bruce, i cant leave now until i do lolol
Bruce Mowbray: whoa -- cool sounds!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Bruce said earlier, Zon: Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Did you know that placeobos are twice as "effective" if they are administered by compassionate health care professionals? Should have said, "twice as effective if administered by doctors who were perceived by their patients as being compassionate."
Bruce Mowbray: Oh cool. Godsmack vid!
Zon Kwan: hm
Zon Kwan: i thot it was the belief of the patient
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Sharon.
Zon Kwan: not the compassion
Multiverse1 Resident: I helped to write these songs
Bruce Mowbray: The therapeutic effect of the placebo seems to depend upon the compassion of the doctor.
Zon Kwan: but that patient is convinced
Alfred Kelberry: neko girl! :)
Bruce Mowbray: You did, Multi!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: right, the patient believing that the caregiver is compassionate
Bruce Mowbray: Wow, Multi!
Bruce Mowbray: No wonder you're wearing that great shirt.
Alfred Kelberry: hi guys
Zon Kwan: hm
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Boxy *
Bruce Mowbray: Yoooo hooo, Boxy!
Zon Kwan: i haven't heard that compassion part before
SophiaSharon Larnia: I see you have your Box up and running
Bruce Mowbray: Just heard it this week on NPR, Zon.
Zon Kwan: npr ?
Alfred Kelberry: yes, as an aid to new topics, Sharon :)
Bruce Mowbray: National Public Radio (in America).
Multiverse1 Resident: national public radio
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods nods
Zon Kwan: ah..okie
SophiaSharon Larnia: wanna marshmallow?
Alfred Kelberry: and to show off of course :)
Zon Kwan: is this healthy
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Zon Kwan: marshmallow
Multiverse1 Resident: is mostly European here, no?
SophiaSharon Larnia: what is, Multiverse?
Alfred Kelberry: ah, tinies can't hold things in their hands
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh ok
SophiaSharon Larnia: have to make you one then
Bruce Mowbray: I'm in Ohio - USA (unfortunately).
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Multiverse1 Resident: hi boxy
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, unfortunately?
Zon Kwan: gtg..cya
Multiverse1 Resident: bye zon
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zon :)
Multiverse1 Resident: hi sophria
SophiaSharon Larnia: is confused, but that's ok :D
Multiverse1 Resident: join the club
SophiaSharon Larnia: yea! \..? there's a club?
SophiaSharon Larnia: joking
Multiverse1 Resident: an sl term, no?
Bruce Mowbray: Southern Ohio is a cultural wasteland.
Multiverse1 Resident: oh it's group here
SophiaSharon Larnia: some forms of humor do not translate well in chat
Bruce Mowbray: That's why I'm in SL.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Bruce :))
Multiverse1 Resident: hmm
Multiverse1 Resident: a global citizen then
SophiaSharon Larnia shares some gooey marshmallow with Boxy
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes - a global citizen in spirit, to be sure.
Alfred Kelberry: *sneaks one marshmallow from sharon* :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Multiverse1 Resident: can you toast one?
Alfred Kelberry: um, thank you :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: no need to sneak :P
Bruce Mowbray: yum yum.
Alfred Kelberry: *noms*
Multiverse1 Resident: smores next

--BELL--

Multiverse1 Resident: brb
SophiaSharon Larnia: yea smores are delicious but hard to eat
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe compassion could cure the world
Bruce Mowbray: Sorry about the fountain, Sharon.
Bruce Mowbray: I can't seem to get it to go back up.
SophiaSharon Larnia point taken, ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: i have my graphic settings on the lowest possible, everything scaled back, particles everything!
Bruce Mowbray: Anyone have some magic words (or placebos) for the fountain?
SophiaSharon Larnia: its a bleak ugly world
Multiverse1 Resident: depends on the observer
SophiaSharon Larnia: i meant my graphic setting, and sl :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but very true
Multiverse1 Resident: it's a gorgeous world
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Ara!
Multiverse1 Resident: fix it then
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Bruce Mowbray: (speaking of gorgeous world. . . here's arabella! )
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Arabella :)
Multiverse1 Resident: arabella
Bruce Mowbray: Would you like some marshmallows, Ara?
arabella Ella: What are you doing Brucie!
arabella Ella: Yummy yummie marshmellows yes pls!
Bruce Mowbray: I am roasting marshmallows, Ara.

Bruce Mowbray: kk. . . Just a sec, please.
Bruce Mowbray: There you are.
Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
Alfred Kelberry: oops, ara! :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: how have you been Ara??
arabella Ella: very well thanks!
arabella Ella: yourself?
SophiaSharon Larnia: also well :D, haven't seen you in ages
arabella Ella: I had a break from SL and I now don't come online as often as i used to
arabella Ella: but missed u all!
SophiaSharon Larnia: and I do have to log off ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: im in and out too :)
Multiverse1 Resident: a break-fast
arabella Ella: well did you know it is David Bowie's 65th birthday?
Bruce Mowbray: kk, Bye for now, Sharon.
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs ara* enjoyed the break?
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh it is ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
arabella Ella smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: gtg have fun!!!
Multiverse1 Resident: only 2 songs there
arabella Ella: well the break was quite an experience!
Multiverse1 Resident: bye
Bruce Mowbray: bye bye, SS.
Alfred Kelberry: ara, please do share!
arabella Ella: bye SSL
arabella Ella: its rather private alfie im afraid :)
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Bruce Mowbray: ok.
arabella Ella: i would share if i cud
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmmm. A story as yummy as a marshmallow?
arabella Ella: marshies are yummier :)
Bruce Mowbray: Did you get the ones I gave you, Ara?
Alfred Kelberry: nda, ara? :)
arabella Ella: yes am struggling to see how to get them out of my inv
arabella Ella: but also got to remove loads of notifications
Bruce Mowbray: type the letters "marsh" and they will appear.

arabella Ella: what is nda?
arabella Ella: ah ok ty
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
Multiverse1 Resident: walnuts are roasting next
arabella Ella: walnuts are yummy yummy too :)
Multiverse1 Resident: alf, you have no fur
Multiverse1 Resident: I would like to see you with hair
arabella Ella: may i share a quick recipe with walnuts, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Please do, ara.
Multiverse1 Resident: but, I can imagine it.
Alfred Kelberry: ara, non-disclosure agreement :)
arabella Ella: boil some boneless brunes with fresh squeezed orange juice and honey till liquid gets thicker
Multiverse1 Resident: ah, the chef
arabella Ella: and add chopped walnuts last few mins
arabella Ella: delicious
Bruce Mowbray: what are brunes?
arabella Ella: owww
arabella Ella: typo
arabella Ella: prunes
arabella Ella: LOL
Bruce Mowbray: Ohhh!
Multiverse1 Resident: hajha
Bruce Mowbray: so, boneless prunes.
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm???
arabella Ella: LOL
arabella Ella: and you can add some cinnamon too if u wish
Bruce Mowbray: yum yum!
Alfred Kelberry: mmm
Multiverse1 Resident: that would probably make it
Alfred Kelberry: *wants a cinnamon bun*
Multiverse1 Resident: the cinnamon
arabella Ella: easy and the textures and flavours meld really nicely
Multiverse1 Resident: meld
Bruce Mowbray checks inventory for cinnamon buns.
Multiverse1 Resident: I can taste them now

--BELL--

arabella Ella: don't make ara too hungry, Brucie
arabella Ella: i'm on an after xmas diet
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for that IM cue, Boxy.  (Bruce had IM'd Boxy to ask how to make the fountain go up.)
Bruce Mowbray: If folks do not have their sounds turned on, it's hard to know when the drops happen if there's no fountain going up and down.
arabella Ella: ah went on a lovely bike ride this morning followed by a bikers party
arabella Ella: so am exhausted
Bruce Mowbray: Great!!
arabella Ella: but lovely to see u all!
arabella Ella: must get an early night
Bruce Mowbray: oh -- sry to hear, 'exhausted' -- but sounds like a good exhaustion.
arabella Ella: good night all! X
Alfred Kelberry: diet well, ara :)
arabella Ella: yes it is :)
Bruce Mowbray: Lovely to see you too, ara.
Multiverse1 Resident: bye ara
arabella Ella: soup glorious soup boxy!
arabella Ella: bye
Multiverse1 Resident: I too shall vaporize
Multiverse1 Resident: see ya
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Multi.
Bruce Mowbray: well then, it's dinnertime for moi.
Bruce Mowbray: and these marshmallows aren't going to cut it.
Bruce Mowbray: See ya later, boxy.
Alfred Kelberry: bye :)
Bruce Mowbray: bye ;-)