The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.
Helping today were Bert, Multi1, Botty, dRuth and Korel (small visit by ContreCourant).

This was both a 1.5 hour session and an almost 3 hour chat.

Bertram Jacobus: hi multi ! :-)
Multiverse1 Resident: hi bertram, new trees grow in the forest, I see
Bertram Jacobus: i see you as the well known (?) little cloud ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: yes - they are new to me as well

     Riddle's computer is having boot and run correctly problems, so Botty comes to tell everybody, but stays
Bertram Jacobus: hi botty ! :-)
Multiverse1 Resident: Am I always, thus
Multiverse1 Resident: a cloud?
Multiverse1 Resident: hiya botty
Bertram Jacobus: yes. you don´t know that multi? when not completely rezzed, avatars often appear as clouds ...
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, for a tyme then
Botty Absent: good morning Multiverse1, Bertram and dRuth
druth Vlodovic: hey
Botty Absent: Riddle will be here soon
Multiverse1 Resident: usually only 30 secs or so for me
Bertram Jacobus: pushing ctrl+alt+r sometimes helps ...
Botty Absent: the user computer is not waking up today
Botty Absent: :)
Bertram Jacobus: hi druth ! :-)
Multiverse1 Resident: I use rebake if need be
Multiverse1 Resident: hiya druth
Bertram Jacobus: ctrl*alt+r does the rebake thing ...
druth Vlodovic: I rather like being an undefined cloud :)
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, cloudy is sometymes warmer

Multiverse1 Resident: a tree might be nice
Bertram Jacobus: but ... your avatar´s appearance is very different, new today druth (?) :-)
druth Vlodovic: I change from time to time
Botty Absent: amazing how each of us is born the same in SL
Botty Absent: a cloud then a Ruth
Botty Absent: then us :)
Bertram Jacobus giggles
druth Vlodovic: sometimes I switch viewersw just so they'll dress me funny :)
druth Vlodovic: good for when you don't know what you are

Botty Absent: does anybody know why/how the tree is here?
Bertram Jacobus: but, botty - i think, i was born in another way here : first as a standard avatar (not ruth) , then modified part by part ...

Multiverse1 Resident: I preened my invenstory this day, and rid myself of 100's of things. I feel as light as a cloud now.
Bertram Jacobus: i only saw, that they belong to eliza botty ...
druth Vlodovic: people keep trying to put their stamp on the pavillion
Multiverse1 Resident: it was her rezz day yesterday, maybe they have significance
Bertram Jacobus: ah
Botty Absent: it is a really nice tree
druth Vlodovic: you should see the wiki, they like to accumulate things here :)
Multiverse1 Resident: perhaps they grew here, before the pavilion
                             --BELL-- 
Bertram Jacobus: really ? accumulate ? i find and found it so nice so far that it is nor overfilled so to say here
Botty Absent: and like to take photos for the wiki of the accumulation here

druth Vlodovic: "preened my inventory" :)
druth Vlodovic: nice when you can sort it by preening
Botty Absent: please leave the sesson unclaimed, riddle may be here to do it
Botty Absent: maybe soon
Botty Absent: like last nights airplane
Multiverse1 Resident: when preening my invenstory I thought about the boxes and icons for each. Then how upon rezzing them they "materialize" in front of my sl eyes. The tress may have been here all along. Only in a tiny little box, only to be open for a tyme.
Bertram Jacobus: she could claim it as well when someone else claimed it before - the system is organized like that : whenever somebody claims it, the former claims are cancelled botty
Multiverse1 Resident: oh yes, me stupid at tymes, Pruning
druth Vlodovic: :)
Multiverse1 Resident: still want to find the owl, here
druth Vlodovic: oh? what would you do with it?
Botty Absent: preening as the owl does
druth Vlodovic: hi korel
Botty Absent: Hi Korel
Korel Laloix: osiyo
Bertram Jacobus: hi korel
Korel Laloix: What kind of trees are those?
Multiverse1 Resident: Eliza trees?
Korel Laloix smiles
Multiverse1 Resident: Hiya, Korel
Bertram Jacobus: "kanzan cherry trees"
Korel Laloix: Anyone else not seeing Multi?
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, the blossoms
Multiverse1 Resident: hmm,
Bertram Jacobus: yes. me korel
Korel Laloix: OK, so not just me then.
druth Vlodovic: he overpruned his inventory, now there's nothing left of him
Botty Absent: wel, see multi cloud
Multiverse1 Resident: Eliza I said was bloosoming yesterday in fact.
Korel Laloix: My inventory was swollen to 298, I need to trim it again... smiles
Multiverse1 Resident: I might like being a cloud avatar
Korel Laloix: Can you see yourself Multi?
Multiverse1 Resident: yes
druth Vlodovic: "I am just here, nothing else" :-)

     GoC Riddle finally arrives
druth Vlodovic: hi riddle
Korel Laloix: Heya.
Korel Laloix: So you are rezzed in your view, but not in ours?
Riddle Sideways: Hi all, sorry am late
Multiverse1 Resident: yep
Bertram Jacobus: hi riddle - np ! :-)
Korel Laloix: We were waiting on you to start.
Multiverse1 Resident: guess so
Riddle Sideways: just flew into town
Riddle Sideways: and boy are my arms tired,    Ba Dum
Multiverse1 Resident: the riddle bird has wings
Riddle Sideways: sorry, old henny youngmen (or older) joke
druth Vlodovic: and here I thought it was original :)

Botty Absent: may I still sit here
Riddle Sideways: sure
Botty Absent: thanks
Riddle Sideways: and thanks for covering
Korel Laloix: If anyone can't see Mulit, try going into yoru debug settings and change the RenderUnloadedAvatar indication to True.

druth Vlodovic: we're sort of discussing image and it's meaning, I notice you've still got a sort of noob skin etc riddle...
Bertram Jacobus: where can i find the debug settings ?
Multiverse1 Resident: I need to find a cloud avi
Korel Laloix: Do you have your Advanced menu shwoing?
Bertram Jacobus: yes
Riddle Sideways: yeah, not done the purchase of skin and hair
druth Vlodovic: people keep trying to make one, I don't know why LL hasn't marketed it yet
druth Vlodovic: why not?
Korel Laloix: Try Cnt Alt Sft S
Riddle Sideways: Multi, what if you rebake your textures?
Korel Laloix: Should bring it up.
Multiverse1 Resident: did.I'll try something else
Korel Laloix: Then type in RenderUnlo.....
druth Vlodovic: we don't like the vagaries of chance around here :)
Korel Laloix: And set to true.
druth Vlodovic: enjoy ambiguity
                             --BELL-- 
Korel Laloix: I am not much for ambiguity.
Korel Laloix: Waaaaaay too type A for that.

Bertram Jacobus: wow - that worked - ty korel ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: sry for having disturbed the silence ...
druth Vlodovic: achoo!
Riddle Sideways: bless you

     About here druth and riddle start an IM session about SL/Avatar Image.
      Some of it is personal and removed, but became general and good, so much is included at the end. 

druth Vlodovic: so who looks like their av in RL?
Riddle Sideways: ha, use to
druth Vlodovic: why did you change?
Riddle Sideways: with age the hair has gotten shorter
Bertram Jacobus: sry - telephone - afk ...
Botty Absent: I don't have a RL look :)
Korel Laloix: My pleasure.
druth Vlodovic: botty is a luminous cloud in the physical realm :)
Riddle Sideways: botty is a bunch of software :)
druth Vlodovic: maybe i shouldn't ask, people spend hours sometimes on their avs, but get embarassed when questioned about it
Korel Laloix: That is a unique fashions statement for sure.
Korel Laloix: Right now, I am trying to make my AV as close to me as RL as I can.
Korel Laloix: But I have had others phases that were very the opostie.
Korel Laloix: Or when I just did nt care.
Riddle Sideways: yes, the different phases and moods

Korel Laloix: At one point, I changed my RL hair to match my SL hair.
Riddle Sideways: :)
druth Vlodovic: :)
Korel Laloix: Still that way now really, but using SL to look at new styles.
Riddle Sideways: good use of SL
druth Vlodovic: why do you want your av to look like your rl?
Korel Laloix: This is the hair I changed my RL to match.
Riddle Sideways: went shopping for hair and did not find anything right
Korel Laloix: I have thought about that.
Riddle Sideways: /listens
Korel Laloix: I went through a period where a lot of people were trying to get me away from my ethnic background.
Korel Laloix: And when I figure that out, i really rushed the opostie direction, and chaning my AV to be more like me RL became important to me.
Korel Laloix: At least that is a theory.
druth Vlodovic: :)
Korel Laloix: Hard to objectively observe yourself.
druth Vlodovic: we aren't really our consciousness, no matter how much we might like to believe we are

Riddle Sideways: wb multi1
druth Vlodovic: wb multi
Bertram Jacobus: i´m back as well
druth Vlodovic: wb bert
Bertram Jacobus: ty druth :-)
Riddle Sideways: wb
Bertram Jacobus: ty riddle :-9
druth Vlodovic: I met a girl who would keep giving me different shapes and skins and insisting I change when we were together
Bertram Jacobus: oops - the ugly nine ! :o)
Multiverse1 Resident: very strange this world we reside in
Korel Laloix: I have had a few people that wanted to paly with my shape as well.
Bertram Jacobus: did you change druth ?
Korel Laloix: Nto figure that one out.
druth Vlodovic: I did,
druth Vlodovic: didn't really like it though
                             --BELL-- 
Bertram Jacobus: one of my first experiences in sl i remember very well that somebody gave me the advice that i shouldn´t insist - i appreaciated that advice very much and never did that again ... and am really thankful for that very nice sl help ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: + was
druth Vlodovic: "insist"?
Bertram Jacobus: yes ! didn´t you write about insisting right before druth ?
druth Vlodovic: lol, I type faster than think
Bertram Jacobus: hehe - okay ... :o)
druth Vlodovic: like bert my present form has developed over time and circumstance
druth Vlodovic: not really designed

Bertram Jacobus: yes. but we can give people the pleasure to try a change because we can switch back to the former appearance whenever we like ... a nice feature here ! ... ;-)

Riddle Sideways: sometimes rezzing up in the morning and looking in the closet at the who I might be today. Somedays just need to be a small elephant
druth Vlodovic: the results of an experiment can be suprising
Korel Laloix: It is interesting though how everyone seems exagerate almost evertying if they can.
druth Vlodovic: why were people trying to get you away from your heritage korel?
Korel Laloix: Everyone is taller, at least d cups, trim.
Korel Laloix: I have not seen a fat AV in a month.
druth Vlodovic: lol, you should have seen two years ago
Korel Laloix: Is the community inspiring to be more attractive or running from RL?
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, that image of not being fat
Korel Laloix: AVs are pretty normalish here I think.

druth Vlodovic: imagine an afterlife that promises you a spiritual body that looks like you at 90 years and plus 40 pounds
Riddle Sideways: oh dear, bad image
Multiverse1 Resident: then that would be the new normal
Bertram Jacobus: some people seem to be motivated in the way you write it korel, but for some is it different - to me, for example, it´s a nice addition, a nice game to play - as being (!) ... ;-)
Korel Laloix: Yes, it is more of a game to some.
Korel Laloix: I think that particularly of those that stay in sex sims.

Multiverse1 Resident: Are there rules to this game then?
Korel Laloix: But that is just an impression.
Multiverse1 Resident: ah, we make our own
druth Vlodovic: don't dis the sex sims, lots of really nice sensitive people there
Korel Laloix: Evidently they are don't be fat, be white, be tall, and have great hair.
Bertram Jacobus: there are some laws, which give rules in both lives, yes multi

Korel Laloix: I actually joined SL to do a paper on SL cybersex.... lol
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, I know
Korel Laloix: It was pretty amuzing and enjoyable.
Multiverse1 Resident: find that an interesting one Korel.
Korel Laloix: And I did meat some great people.
Multiverse1 Resident: maybe I'll try it one day.
Riddle Sideways: huge percentage probably joined when they read about the wonderful cybersex
Multiverse1 Resident: seems, errr, somehow, not "real" in my head though
Korel Laloix: Interacive porn.
Riddle Sideways: said they were just coming to read the articles
Bertram Jacobus: i did the sex things as well - and have the impression, that one can try out here a lot and then one can be satisfied after a while and then one can do more other things ...
druth Vlodovic: sex, gambling, education and spirituality welcome to SL
Multiverse1 Resident: that's probably a good descri[ption, interactive porn
Korel Laloix: Not my words, one of the people I interviewed said that.

druth Vlodovic: if you immerse yourself enough it is real
Multiverse1 Resident: makes sense
druth Vlodovic: you can feel a person touch you, smell and hear over text :)
Multiverse1 Resident: it is real, cybersex
druth Vlodovic: there is even a technical name for that, though I forget what it is
Multiverse1 Resident: projection
Korel Laloix: The most important organ in sex is your brain, not your genatals.
Korel Laloix: So it is real enough in a pysical sense as well.
Multiverse1 Resident: well, I feel they play equal in measuse myself
Multiverse1 Resident: measure
Korel Laloix: OK.
Multiverse1 Resident: ok, too
druth Vlodovic: of course, being a researcher korel has only interviewed people about it, never tried :->
                             --BELL-- 
Bertram Jacobus: sl and the net gives new experiences, can give more freedom - and i think, the developement will go on - in the direction of the movie "avatar" - i await that in future it will be possible to feel as well via the net, to smell and to taste - all the sensual impressions. because that is a strong wish of many people - (of the most?) ...
druth Vlodovic: I don't know
Korel Laloix: lol... I won't even try to make that claim.
druth Vlodovic: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
druth Vlodovic: even if "the feelies" were around, I think I'd like to use just text and imagination
Korel Laloix: I admit I gave it a try...... or two.... or twelve.
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, I see that movie ability in the near future, as well as smellarama, and sensation also. It becomes inevitable in this realm.
druth Vlodovic: sometimes
Bertram Jacobus: one advantage is, that you can choose what you want to have and get rid of all that with only one click at every moment (!)

Multiverse1 Resident: poof
Multiverse1 Resident: oh yes, can you all see me now?
Riddle Sideways: yes, multo
Riddle Sideways: *multi
Korel Laloix: Yes, you are green, short with giant blue lips right?
Korel Laloix: The winds add a bit as well.
Korel Laloix: wings
Multiverse1 Resident: I am mulato actually
druth Vlodovic: yes, the cloud is gone ;.( but the big guy with the nifty hat is here! yayy!
Multiverse1 Resident: not, but hehe
Bertram Jacobus: yes. already since i followed korels hints multi ! :-)
Korel Laloix: Honesly Mulit, you looked better with breasts.
Multiverse1 Resident: I only find people not rezzed for a few seconds at most usually
Multiverse1 Resident: I'll have to find some D cups for you Korel.
Korel Laloix: The main reasons some AVs don't load for a while is that there is one item you are wearing is not loading.
Multiverse1 Resident: yes
Korel Laloix: And SL won't rez your AV until everyint is loaded.
Multiverse1 Resident: done that
Bertram Jacobus: i sometimes see people not rezzed for seconds, somtimes for minutes, sometimes for the whole time i´m in sl with them ...
Korel Laloix: SOif you force it with the RenderUnloaded thing, it goes around that feature.
Bertram Jacobus: but may be, korel´s help will change that from now on (!) ... :-)
Multiverse1 Resident: maybe today even, since I went through my invenstory earlier.
Multiverse1 Resident: I am still an infant in this Linden world.
Korel Laloix: I have picked up a few tricks along the way.
druth Vlodovic: when i think too much about my inventory it gets bigger :(
Bertram Jacobus: often very helpful korel ! ... :-)
Korel Laloix smiles

Botty Absent: just learned that hitting cntrl-\ when the bell/gong been the last spoken, has you focus on the fountain
Bertram Jacobus: lol druth - i thought about it as well - mine shows 11.366 items at the moment ... ;-)
Botty Absent: it is a real speaker :)
Multiverse1 Resident: The owl may reside within then
Korel Laloix: Do I need to do a special PaB inventory management class?
Riddle Sideways: oh, the owl lives outside the circle
Riddle Sideways: found it one day
Multiverse1 Resident: got rid of 500 things at least today. Down to 4900, I'll do some heavy pruning later
Bertram Jacobus: not for me - i´m member of a REALLY great sl school group - but sry : it´s in german ...
Multiverse1 Resident: nice riddle
druth Vlodovic: there really is an owl?
Bertram Jacobus: much of all that is a matter of time nowadays

Multiverse1 Resident: I wonder if the trees have roots here
Multiverse1 Resident: I often wonder what they look like under the earth in rl
Bertram Jacobus: i think, there may be some with and most will have no roots multi ... ;-)

Korel Laloix: YOu want a way to instantly trim your inventory by a bit?
druth Vlodovic: camera stright down, you'll see interesting things
Riddle Sideways: that is the falcon, not the owl
druth Vlodovic: uh oh, I suspect korel is going to suggest the old "throw out anything you haven't looked at in a year" thing that I tell myself about three years after I move in RL
Bertram Jacobus: wow - already 8:14 sl time ! so i think, i´ll leave - ty everybody and be happy pls, every being ! :-)
Korel Laloix: No...
Korel Laloix smiles
druth Vlodovic: have fun bert
                             --BELL-- 
Korel Laloix: Go back to your debug settings.
Riddle Sideways: bye Bert
Multiverse1 Resident: Bye Burt
Bertram Jacobus: [ty] :-)
Korel Laloix: ᏘᎲᎢᏍ ᎢᏍ ᏍᏔᏛᎠᎾᎦᎡ.
Korel Laloix: ᎨᏛᎨ
Riddle Sideways: bye korel
Botty Absent: gotta go too, this is the wrong viewer
Riddle Sideways: bye botty
druth Vlodovic: umm, bye everyone who just vanished
Multiverse1 Resident: bye
Riddle Sideways: wb korel
Multiverse1 Resident: ah korel is back
Multiverse1 Resident: a grey being to me now
Korel Laloix: My test turned all to periods... strange.
Riddle Sideways: the translator could not handle what you said, Korel
druth Vlodovic: "ebug settings"?
Multiverse1 Resident: now complete
Korel Laloix: Anyway...
Multiverse1 Resident: debug
druth Vlodovic: oh
Korel Laloix: ᎦᏍᎩᎦᏍᏗᎩᎦᏍᏗᎩᎠᏍᏗ
Multiverse1 Resident: get only boxes
Riddle Sideways: little square boxes and they all looked just the same
druth Vlodovic: you have a translator that still works riddle?
Riddle Sideways: not sure if it is working
druth Vlodovic: my goolge based ones all conked out a while back
Korel Laloix: I think I am back... smiles
Riddle Sideways: am getting an appId parameter error

Korel Laloix: If you want to reduce you inventory, try this.
Korel Laloix: IN your debug settings.....
druth Vlodovic: 'k
Korel Laloix: Find NOInventoryLibrary and set to True.
Korel Laloix: The enxt time you log on it will not load that part.
Multiverse1 Resident: oh, I can get rid of the preloads!!??
Korel Laloix: Yes.
druth Vlodovic: oh, but they got nifty stuff in there!
Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks
Korel Laloix: If you use it.
Multiverse1 Resident: wow, thx Korel, was trying to figure that one out for awhile now.
Korel Laloix: I don't.
druth Vlodovic: well, me neither
Korel Laloix: lol
druth Vlodovic: but that's not the point!
Korel Laloix smiles
Korel Laloix: But if you want yoru inventory down under to a few hundred, it is good to get rid of that.
Korel Laloix: Takes less time to load when you clear your cache as well.
Riddle Sideways: what if using some of library items?
Multiverse1 Resident: plus get rid of all the excess landmarks and cards
druth Vlodovic: I don't really care about numbers, I just want to be able to find what i have
Multiverse1 Resident: copy them 1st I would imagine
druth Vlodovic: oh, yeah
Korel Laloix: If you are using them, they get moved to your regular inventory.
Multiverse1 Resident: move them to a folder
Korel Laloix: SL does it for you.
druth Vlodovic: then I start going to the landmarks to see "is this one I might like to keep?"
Riddle Sideways: or use the search box
Korel Laloix: So you don't have to move it.
Riddle Sideways: but need to know name
druth Vlodovic: it's like cleaning out your grandparent's attic
Multiverse1 Resident: rename them
Korel Laloix: So there are some good SL tips for today.... smiles
Multiverse1 Resident: thnx Korel, a little bit helps for me.
druth Vlodovic: Korel is a natural born teacher :)
Multiverse1 Resident: yes
Multiverse1 Resident: step by step

Korel Laloix: When not annoying people.
Multiverse1 Resident: haven't seen that happen yet
Korel Laloix: We just have to get on the right topics.
Korel Laloix: Seems to happen a bit more in RL these days than in SL.
druth Vlodovic: annoying people is the first step towards teaching them, I usually stop right between the two steps
Multiverse1 Resident: oh oh. I know a few of your buttons
druth Vlodovic: oh oh! give!
Korel Laloix: That is a good method, will remember tha tone.
Korel Laloix: that one
druth Vlodovic: aww
Korel Laloix: The season will get better when the elections get closer.
Multiverse1 Resident: bite 1st, then chew slowly
Korel Laloix: That is a good one as well... smiles
Multiverse1 Resident: Have to travel , Be well Korel, Riddle and druth
druth Vlodovic: have fun multi
Korel Laloix: Take care.
                             --BELL-- 
Multiverse1 Resident: ok I will
Korel Laloix: OK. Time to go as well.
Korel Laloix: Ciao all... smiles
Riddle Sideways: (kitty in face, could not type) bye Mult and Kore
druth Vlodovic: love to be a cat
Riddle Sideways: this is face kitty
Riddle Sideways: loves to be in faces
Riddle Sideways: gives kisses
druth Vlodovic: the face is where "you" are to them
Riddle Sideways: at least to this cat
druth Vlodovic: and where your attention is is where they want to be, keyboard, newspaper...
Riddle Sideways: she was bottle feed
druth Vlodovic: oh neat
druth Vlodovic: for how long?
Riddle Sideways: only a few weeks, but knows faces as loving

     an hour passes
druth Vlodovic: hi contre
Riddle Sideways: Hi Contre
ContreCourant Resident: Hi sorry for my rudeness
ContreCourant Resident: I realized I couldn't stay and didn't see you right away
druth Vlodovic: np
ContreCourant Resident: I remembered a dr's appointment. :-(
Riddle Sideways: wb
ContreCourant Resident: Bye for now
Riddle Sideways: bye
ContreCourant Resident: :-)
druth Vlodovic: cya :)
                             --BELL-- 
Riddle Sideways: has that pabBox been there all session?
Riddle Sideways: did not see it until now!

     From that point back at 7:32 an IM had been going on that contained (heavily edited) some of the following.