The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hello rick
RickHarris Resident: hello yakuzza
Aphrodite Macbain: Rick this is Yaku, Yaku Rick
Zen Arado: hi Rick
RickHarris Resident: hi everyone
Aphrodite Macbain: He has just joined PAB
Zen Arado: hi Bert
Bertram Jacobus: hi folks :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, very nice, i just imed him about the group :)
RickHarris Resident: :))
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bertram, Zen -this is my friend Rick who has just joined PAB
Zen Arado: your Mke is till open Aph
Zen Arado: mic
Aphrodite Macbain: tx
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful - so a big welcome to rick ! :-)
RickHarris Resident: thankyou
Aphrodite Macbain: Rick is from Englad
Aphrodite Macbain: England
Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bertram
Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder why my last posted logs aren´t on the wiki :/
Yakuzza Lethecus: i thought i posted them this afternoon :/
Aphrodite Macbain: do you understand what the wiki is Rick?
Aphrodite Macbain: It records these discussions
RickHarris Resident: yes yakuzza just IMed me about it
Aphrodite Macbain: great
RickHarris Resident: its fine
RickHarris Resident: what are we discussing
Aphrodite Macbain: maybe we can discuss identity!
Zen Arado: ha ha
Aphrodite Macbain: we have just started.
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you think Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it´s not a formal approach here, it´s more an open community with the 9 second meditation
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe I can begin by asking whether we feel we are the same person in RL as we are projecting in SL
Yakuzza Lethecus: ppl bring totally different backgrounds from non contemplative to very much so
Zen Arado: I was had a disabled meeting in second life the other night and they were discussing how a disability affected their feeling of identity
Aphrodite Macbain: yes?
Aphrodite Macbain: was there an agreement?
Yakuzza Lethecus listens to zen
Zen Arado: not really
Aphrodite Macbain: I notice some people come with wheelchairs and some dont
Zen Arado: I don' t identify with my disability
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Zen Arado: it's just something I have, not something I am
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting b/c a person who came a few evenings ago who has cerbral palsy said she was her illness; it was part of who she was
Aphrodite Macbain: she embraced it...
Zen Arado: yes and I dont undestand that
Aphrodite Macbain: I was surprised
Zen Arado: I am jst a bunch of processes anyway I told them
Aphrodite Macbain: It is somethng she will live with all her life so perhaps she felt it would shape her perspective on life
Zen Arado: there is no "me"
Zen Arado: but people don't get that
Aphrodite Macbain: That is another whole huge topic.
Aphrodite Macbain: There is no centre to the onin
Zen Arado: it is all about identity though
Aphrodite Macbain: onion
Zen Arado: from a philosophical angle you have to decide if there is anything about you that stays the same all of your life
Aphrodite Macbain: nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: I think the person I was at the age of six still continues - my beliefs, fears etc
Zen Arado: well, is there?
Aphrodite Macbain: so I feel part of me has stayed the same; it's embedded in my genes and in my memoery
Aphrodite Macbain: *memoery
Zen Arado: I don' thinkyou ar psychlogicaly the same as you wear at 6 though Aph?
Aphrodite Macbain: *memory
RickHarris Resident: i think the childhood part will always remain with us all
Zen Arado: the way philosophers describe it is as psychological continuity
RickHarris Resident: memories, sense of being
Aphrodite Macbain: You dont think the person you were at 6 still is part of you today?
RickHarris Resident: i do yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Certainly Freud would thinks so
Zen Arado: we are nearly psychologically the same as we were a week ago
RickHarris Resident: although cant remember when i was 6
RickHarris Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: grins
Zen Arado: but the further you go back the more different we where
Aphrodite Macbain: I have flashes
RickHarris Resident: good memories?
Zen Arado: but memory is always changing
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont mean the "whole" being at six, but aspects of it
--BELL--
RickHarris Resident: i think everyone looks back at there childhood memories
Aphrodite Macbain: All that stuff you develop in those important first 3 years of yur life
RickHarris Resident: some good, some bad
Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome wol
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Wol
RickHarris Resident: hi wol
Wol Euler: hello aph, yaku, zen, rick
Zen Arado: Hi Wol
Aphrodite Macbain: Let me introduce my friend ick who is new to PaB
Aphrodite Macbain: Rick
RickHarris Resident: hello
Wol Euler: hello rick
Wol Euler: I hope Aph gave you an introduction to us?
Aphrodite Macbain looks at Wol's dress enviously
Wol Euler: including notecard and the website?
Wol Euler: it was free :) a group gift
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- Yaku did
RickHarris Resident: yes she did
Aphrodite Macbain: OOps we alked thru the 9 second silence
Zen Arado: we had to say hello to wol
Zen Arado: or it would have been impolite
Aphrodite Macbain reminds herself to be more attentive
Wol Euler smiles.
Aphrodite Macbain: So your argument Zen is that our identity is constructed and not essential
Aphrodite Macbain: we're talking about whether we have a true identity Wol
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: though I guess you'd have to decide what "true" might mean ...
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Boxy wb
Wol Euler: and why you feel we have only one such :)
Wol Euler: hello boxy
Aphrodite Macbain: Rick, this is Boxy, also known as Alfred
RickHarris Resident: hi alfred
Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy- this is Rick
Alfred Kelberry: *rubs woly's head softly making the ache go away*
Alfred Kelberry: er, hi :)
Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQT6F...eature=related
Aphrodite Macbain: awww
Aphrodite Macbain: what is this Zen?
Zen Arado: about no self
Zen Arado: short video
Aphrodite Macbain: who is directing what we do and think if it is not our self Zen?
Alfred Kelberry: rick? a friend of aph's? :)
Zen Arado: everything is
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, a new friend Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: nice
Aphrodite Macbain: everything?
Aphrodite Macbain: hardly
Zen Arado: hardest prt to swallow
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not even putting it in my mouth
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: my reaction too
Aphrodite Macbain: grins. then why put it there?
Zen Arado: you can't control your urges and desires
Alfred Kelberry: zon :)
Zen Arado: abilities
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes you can
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm learning to
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
Zen Arado: i mean the ones that arise
Wol Euler: hello zon
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello zon
Zen Arado: Hi Zon
Aphrodite Macbain: and those uerges and desires are mine and noone else's
Alfred Kelberry: *rubs his nose and smiles*
Zon Kwan: hi hi
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: we areall unique
Zen Arado: like every snowflake
Zen Arado: aw this is too hard to explain
Zen Arado: maybe we should talk about something else
Zon Kwan: omm
Aphrodite Macbain: agreed. so if we are unique then how can you say we dont have an identity?
Wol Euler: no, I'm curious :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s fine zen :)
Zon Kwan: like waves
Aphrodite Macbain: what is the thing that is unique?
Zon Kwan: unique
Zon Kwan: but all part of sea
Zen Arado: well I am a unique bunch of processes
Zen Arado: what's wrong with that?
Zen Arado: It doen't men ther is a ittle man inside me directing things
Aphrodite Macbain: nothing - and those processes make up your identity
Aphrodite Macbain: I think we have put Zon to sleep
Zen Arado: that is only as far as saying this bunch of processes is different from another one
Alfred Kelberry: process 1 is alsways init :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy? Could you rephrase that?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i often feel cought in a loop without an end statement :P
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Alfred Kelberry: er...
Wol Euler: please do boxy
Zen Arado: can you find a self inside your body?
Alfred Kelberry: i mean, we start off the same
Aphrodite Macbain: nicely said Yaku
Zen Arado: Oh no e don'
Zen Arado: we have unique genetics
Aphrodite Macbain: It's inside my head- my ways of being
Zon Kwan: yes i find many selves in me
Wol Euler nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: some of them are deliberate, others are automatic or somatic
Zen Arado: well Ihave never find anything like a self
Zon Kwan: selves within selves
Zen Arado: what does it look like?
Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe yuu were looking in the wrong places Zen
Zon Kwan: like zon
Wol Euler: perhaps it's the part of you that looked for the self?
Zen Arado: well tell me where to look :-)
Zon Kwan: and avatar behind him
Aphrodite Macbain: yes wol
Zen Arado: though someone behind me oooooh
Zen Arado: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: insid eyour head. And delete the word look. It's not visual
Zen Arado: inside my head is a briain
--BELL--
Zon Kwan: and avatar behind him
Aphrodite Macbain: with thoughts which are made of electrical synapses
Aphrodite Macbain: shsh
Zen Arado: yes, just electrical processes
Zon Kwan: intelligent processes
Aphrodite Macbain: Our consciousness
Zen Arado: my brain produces thoughts the same way my heart pumps blood
Wol Euler: and yet you live :)
Zen Arado: what is consciousness?
Zen Arado: Oh yes
Zon Kwan: yes, with tremendous intelligence
Zen Arado: it is an efficient bunch of processes
Wol Euler: consciousness is that which we have, which lets us ask that question
Aphrodite Macbain: It the conversation between your limbic system and your cerebral cortex
Wol Euler: calling it processes doesn't make it not exist :)
Wol Euler: IMHO
Zen Arado: yes the brain produces thoughts and those thoughts can be questions
Zen Arado: why not?
Aphrodite Macbain: and awareness
Aphrodite Macbain: of ourselves
Wol Euler: that consciousness consists of processes is like saying there are no cheeseburgers in the world because they are made of atoms
Alfred Kelberry: aph, i liked that limbic remark of yours :)
Zon Kwan: what produced the brain ?
Zen Arado: there are very sophisticated processes
Zen Arado: I'm no sayin they re simple
RickHarris Resident: part of the human structure zen
Aphrodite Macbain: glad you liked it Boxy
Zen Arado: all yes and a very intricate complicated structure it is
Aphrodite Macbain: The limbic system is the one that organizes our emotions and our memory
Zen Arado: it has evolved through millions of years
Zon Kwan: in order for ue to have intelligent conversation presumes matter and processes that produced our brain is intelligent and conscious
Zen Arado: really wonderful and marvellous it is
Aphrodite Macbain: I certainly agree with you there Zen
Alfred Kelberry: :
Alfred Kelberry: )
Zen Arado: oh yes my brain is intelligent and can converse with other people's brains
Aphrodite Macbain: so who is that having the conversation if not yourself?
RickHarris Resident: converse in what way
Zon Kwan: so intelligence must be inbuilt in matter
Zen Arado: this bunch of processes is having a conversation
Zen Arado: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: something unites them into a whole
RickHarris Resident: but we are separate brains thinking this conversation
Zon Kwan: nope
Alfred Kelberry: zon, can you expand on that?
Zon Kwan: we just think so
Aphrodite Macbain: right Rick
Zen Arado: well, we see ourselves as separate
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
RickHarris Resident: i dont see you with my brain
RickHarris Resident: we are all individual
Aphrodite Macbain: but I also see myself as part of a larger whole. But that is learned
Zen Arado: all know it is a complicated process of sensory inputs being translated into electrical signals
Aphrodite Macbain: as a result of reading and meditation
Zen Arado: maybe it is unlearned Aph
Zon Kwan: if u think urself separate u are separate
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you mean by that Zen?
Zen Arado: we didn't have that sense of separateness from everything else when we were babies
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: we learned to discriminate and put labels on objects
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont remember
Wol Euler: babies have buddha nature, but we lose that in childhood
Zon Kwan: our mind works that way,,,it divides
Wol Euler: (for certain hopefully not too contentious values of "we")
Aphrodite Macbain: words words
RickHarris Resident: that is separate opinions
Alfred Kelberry: woly, are there people who don't?
Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Wol
Wol Euler: perhaps
Zon Kwan: draws a picture
Wol Euler: I don't know
Aphrodite Macbain: watches
Zen Arado: even using language creates an image of an "I"
Zen Arado: because language has a structure of subject and object
Zon Kwan: language is fooling us nicely
Alfred Kelberry: would it be fair to say then that intelligence = losing buddha?
Aphrodite Macbain: What distinguishes humans is the fact that they have a consciousness and alanguage.
Zen Arado: really we are a verb
Aphrodite Macbain: How can we not have an identity that manipulates that?
Zen Arado: David Bohm is good on that
Zen Arado: the nuclear scientist
Aphrodite Macbain: nods. what does he say?
Zon Kwan: we are peopling the earth yes
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: about how a wee fragment everything in nature
Alfred Kelberry: nice one
Zen Arado: hi we fragment
RickHarris Resident: lol
Zen Arado: sorry for the voice typing
Aphrodite Macbain falls apart
Zon Kwan: we are hologram
Alfred Kelberry: *uses duct tape on aph*
Zen Arado: we all affect everything and everybody else
Aphrodite Macbain falls apart into fragments and looks for the glue
Zon Kwan: an organims
Zen Arado: quantum theory shows that two I thnk
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Zen Arado: though I'm no too wll up n that :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: please rephrase Zen
Zen Arado: Read David Bohm's book
Aphrodite Macbain: :-{
Alfred Kelberry: *turns to woly: what is the topic again?* :)
Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implica..._to_David_Bohm
Wol Euler: I lost track a while back :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh
RickHarris Resident: human brains turning to fragments
Wol Euler: identnty, I thought
Aphrodite Macbain: quantum theory
Aphrodite Macbain: we are more space than matter
Zon Kwan: and wahtis space
Aphrodite Macbain: I love that
RickHarris Resident: big bang theory
Aphrodite Macbain: what is between quantum particles
Alfred Kelberry: ah, are you talking about mind-body dualism?
Zen Arado: sorry there is too much science in that article
RickHarris Resident: atoms
Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wholeness-Im.../dp/0415289793
Aphrodite Macbain blushes
Zon Kwan: matter is not
Zen Arado: that is the book
Zon Kwan: matter is dead
Zen Arado: I didnt finih it bcause don'tundersand the nuclear stuff
Zon Kwan: science has killed it
Aphrodite Macbain: what's the matter Zon?
Zon Kwan: science
Zon Kwan: found out
Zon Kwan: its mostly
Zon Kwan: empty
Aphrodite Macbain: science matters?
Zon Kwan: and the rest
Zon Kwan: is not matter at all
Zon Kwan: but something
Zon Kwan: strange
Alfred Kelberry: ok, get ready...
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, I know. I find that very reassuring somehow and more able to believe in parallel univrses
Alfred Kelberry: onigokko
Alfred Kelberry: :)
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: How can I explain this to Rick
Yakuzza Lethecus feels refreshing :)
RickHarris Resident: lol
Alfred Kelberry: two lost soules :)
RickHarris Resident: looks refreshing
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll will look for the animation and give it to you Rick
Zen Arado: onigokko
Alfred Kelberry: yeeeehaaaaa!!!!
Zen Arado: onigokko
RickHarris Resident: looking forward to it
Alfred Kelberry: here comes part 2...
Zen Arado: onigokko
Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Wol Euler: stop
Zon Kwan: sighs
Aphrodite Macbain: now wear it Rick
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Alfred Kelberry: step back please...
Wol Euler: looks like zen wil have to stop himself
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
RickHarris Resident: this is bananas
RickHarris Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles
Zen Arado: it's just a bunch of processes running around
Zen Arado: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: vitamins for everyone :)
RickHarris Resident: yes lets talk vitamis
RickHarris Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: Zen!!
Wol Euler nods to zen
Alfred Kelberry: pew pew
Aphrodite Macbain: stop
Wol Euler: agreed, but I for one don't see that this matters
RickHarris Resident: these dont look like bananas
Zen Arado: stop
Aphrodite Macbain: Zen dances to his own drummer
Wol Euler: saying that my consciuosness is processes is to me no different from saying that my heart is atoms
Wol Euler: they both exist (for me) anyway
Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
Zen Arado: I'm no sayin they don't exist
Zon Kwan: there is a diffennce though perhaps in tone
Wol Euler: oh, then I have misunderstood this whole conversation :)
Wol Euler: I thought you WERE saying htat
Wol Euler: that there is no such thing as consciousness or self
Zen Arado: know 'm jus sayin there is no one directing everything
Zen Arado: there is no one at the helm
Aphrodite Macbain: I thought you said we have no identity
Wol Euler: how would you know though?
Wol Euler smiles.
Zon Kwan: we identify ourselves all time
Aphrodite Macbain: It is what is taught in the Zen tradition
Zon Kwan: to something
Zen Arado: no identity does not equal we don't exist
Zen Arado: the term emptiness means empty of self
Aphrodite Macbain: but we are aware of ourselves so someone is being aware
Wol Euler: then I fear we return to trying to define what "we" is
Alfred Kelberry: *wonders what yaku has to say on this*
Zen Arado: is that what you mean?
RickHarris Resident: think hes gone to sleep
Zon Kwan: the confusion comes form the word self and its many connotations
Wol Euler: multitasking :)
Wol Euler: probably on skype :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: no
Yakuzza Lethecus: well
Wol Euler: hehehehee
RickHarris Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: no would be a bad answer
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Alfred Kelberry: concise and to the point
Aphrodite Macbain: how would you know if you didnt have a self?
Alfred Kelberry: you would vanish
Zon Kwan: waht is this self ?
Aphrodite Macbain: who is deciding?
Zen Arado: because your brain can think?
Alfred Kelberry: like descartes
Zen Arado: And know things?
Zon Kwan: is it my body ?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes i am b/c I think
Zon Kwan: is it a vague cloud of thinking hovering m y body ?
Zen Arado: but Dscarte thought that because he thought, he was a self
Zon Kwan: what is this self ?
Aphrodite Macbain: It is hard b/c we are describing the world we are in. A world from which we cant be outside of
Zen Arado: but it only shows that there is thinking going on
Zen Arado: this self is an illusion
Zen Arado: a useful illusion but it can also cause us to suffer
Aphrodite Macbain: I have an attitude about this discussion; who is that I/
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Zon Kwan: yes Aph
Wol Euler: perhaps the self is simply that process which looks at the state of memory and concludes that other processse are running?
Zon Kwan: thats teh question
Zon Kwan: or what is this I or self
Aphrodite Macbain: memory, I think plays a huge role in this
Wol Euler: agreed
Aphrodite Macbain: (located in the hypothalamus
Zen Arado: it looks at the past and decides from experiences and how it reacted that it must be a certain type of being or self
Zen Arado: you hear people defining themselves all the time
Zon Kwan: self = point in the sea of consciousness
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: as more as i try to fix myself of ,,who i am" i might lose my openness and playfulness ?
Alfred Kelberry: woly, self as environment in which processes are ran??
Zen Arado: we don't need to define ourselves, we can just be whatever it is
Zen Arado: can't we?
Wol Euler: self is "ps -ef"
Wol Euler: :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: ran?
Zon Kwan: there is Self and self
Aphrodite Macbain: I want to understand the concept of wu wei
Alfred Kelberry: zon :)
Aphrodite Macbain: but I'll raise that on Sunday at 1
Alfred Kelberry: you're *not* helping :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: that's me!
Alfred Kelberry: er, i refer to zon's comment :)
Aphrodite Macbain: what does it mean to "get in the way of ourselves"?
Zon Kwan: wu wei is self floating in the Self
Aphrodite Macbain: but there is no self.....
Zon Kwan: ah there are many
Aphrodite Macbain: argh
Zen Arado: allowing our past idea of what we are to interfere with free expression of what we are now, I thnk Aph
Zon Kwan: look at the stars
Alfred Kelberry: woly, how about self is the current context?
Zen Arado: thinking things should be a certain way, instead of just accepting the way they are
Aphrodite Macbain: hmm tthat's what dictators would suggest
Zen Arado: how do you mean Aph?
Zen Arado: I'm taking aout in our personal actions
Zen Arado: not about a society
Aphrodite Macbain: Dont question ,accept means keeping the way things are
Aphrodite Macbain: which are not necessarily good
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: kk
Alfred Kelberry: *wonders what woly is looking at*
Zon Kwan: accept things the way they are but act the way u
Zon Kwan: prefer them to be
Wol Euler: sorry, in IMs with a buddy about a script problem
Aphrodite Macbain: shh
Zen Arado: we can accept and birds to change things and not get in the way of that to0
Zen Arado: accept an urge*
Zen Arado: an urge, and birds sound nearly the same hmmmm
Alfred Kelberry: btw, fun thought experiment. try and read someone's comment with a voice of morgan freeman and note how your perception changes :)
Zon Kwan: lol
Zon Kwan: where cna u get his voice
Yakuzza Lethecus: it should not be but it will be different
Zen Arado: it might make us listen more respectfully :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: birds are urges that fly
Zen Arado: :-)
Alfred Kelberry: zon, you'll hear it your head :)
Zon Kwan: they should have a voice mophing like that here
Zon Kwan: morphing
Zon Kwan: we could all use it
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Zon Kwan: and be convincing
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off to RL now
Zen Arado: bye Aph :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: have a good day aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all
Alfred Kelberry: but the peculiar part is that your mind can do it easily
Zon Kwan: bye Aph
RickHarris Resident: bye
Alfred Kelberry: a visual aid would have a better effect - a picture of morgan freeman beside the text
Zon Kwan: hm
Zen Arado: I thik I'll go and dance at perfect paradise or something and give my head a rest
Zon Kwan: tries hard..but fails poorly
Alfred Kelberry: zen, good plan :)
Zen Arado: :-)
Wol Euler: awwwwww
Alfred Kelberry: zon lol
Wol Euler: good plan yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen, happy dancing
RickHarris Resident: nice to meet you zen
Zen Arado: you can all keep your identity s :-)
Zon Kwan: see ya zen
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
Wol Euler: thank you :)
Wol Euler: godnight yaku
Wol Euler: schlaf gut
Zen Arado: byee
Zon Kwan: gehen also
Zon Kwan: guten abend
RickHarris Resident: good evening
Wol Euler: goodnight rick, nice meeting you
RickHarris Resident: you to wol
RickHarris Resident: thankyou
RickHarris Resident: nice meeting you
RickHarris Resident: and you alfred
RickHarris Resident: take care
Alfred Kelberry: eh... friday night and they're all poofing
Wol Euler: heh
Alfred Kelberry: party poopers :P
RickHarris Resident: bye
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm making something :)
Alfred Kelberry: thought experiment
Wol Euler cheers!
Alfred Kelberry: stay put
--BELL--
Wol Euler wonders how long she should stay put
Alfred Kelberry: oh, er
Alfred Kelberry: you can walk around :)
Wol Euler: that was ten minutes, have I stayed put long enough?
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: at ease :)
Wol Euler: because I don't really need to sit here and watch you being away :)
Alfred Kelberry: going to bed?
Wol Euler: at some time in the near future yes
Alfred Kelberry: well, i'll be fiddling a bit
Wol Euler: well, you can show me tomorrow morning perhaps
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Wol Euler: goodnight boxy
Wol Euler: fiddle well
Alfred Kelberry: get better you
Wol Euler: I'll try
Alfred Kelberry: :)