The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways joined by Boxy and Zen.

"Put down that book and ride with me to the edge" he had said.  I had been stupid enough to go.  
"What is beyond that place?" I later had said to their unhearing backs.  Some voice, well more like an un-person voice had echoed in all of our heads; "Thus it begins ".

In A beginning.            [oh, are you really doing that hebrew translation thing again]
A Pema said                    [oh for ... sakes do not bring him in to this]
"Start right now ..."
"Start atop all that is ..."        [That is not what A Pema said and you know it]
"You are now.  Standing on top of it, all that was previous and meant to have been built"
"forget the past, take the future and go forward(forth)"
"What is the next step?"

Giants have thrown  'YOU" ahead.

Now Run !!!!!

Alfred Kelberry:  riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: little boxy pup
Riddle Sideways: so good to see you
Alfred Kelberry: i see no storm again
Alfred Kelberry: likewise :)
Riddle Sideways: am having small tech problems today
Riddle Sideways: am glad to have gotten here
Alfred Kelberry: sl login?
             --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: what is this "creating bridge, please wait and Bridge created"?
Riddle Sideways: was it in place the bell?
Riddle Sideways: in computer/software tech there are many uses of the word Bridge
Alfred Kelberry: it's some code bit used in 3rd party clients
Alfred Kelberry: not sure what it does
Riddle Sideways: was thinking it might be network bridging
Riddle Sideways: or the fountain needs to be bridged
Alfred Kelberry: something to do with network :)
Riddle Sideways: if it has troubled waters
Riddle Sideways: that need a bridge over
Alfred Kelberry: that's too abstract

Riddle Sideways: this mornings tech problems on RL side might apply to this weeks topic/theme
Riddle Sideways: of tech into our livies
Alfred Kelberry: i think h+ can be applied to anything human related :)

Riddle Sideways: physically getting out of bed is tough somedays
Riddle Sideways: booting this computer is tough somedays
Riddle Sideways: getting into SL is tough some days
Riddle Sideways: had an alt on an alt computer almost ready to replace my SL body here
     Of all the responses to the theme-o-the-week... having found that new found tech also had trouble getting going inthe morning was an "AHA".

Alfred Kelberry: apparently, it is tough to get up early for storm :) he's not showing up on the 7 am meetings lately.
Riddle Sideways: maybe it is the food from those recipes? ")
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Riddle Sideways: have you been successful at those recipes
Alfred Kelberry: nope, too hard for me
Riddle Sideways: the Samoa(sp?) one looks easy enough
Alfred Kelberry: besides, i'm not an indian cuisine fan
Riddle Sideways: and lately this household is down on bread products
Alfred Kelberry: nom, love bread
Riddle Sideways: yes, love it maybe tooooo much
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, what happens to the love of food in going H+
Alfred Kelberry: h+ concept is still fuzzy for me after 2 days of discussion :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Zen
Alfred Kelberry: mr zen :)
     Excuse me Alfred, but WT... is it with the pronouncemnet of gender?  We are Avs.  "Zen" is genderless.
Zen Arado: Hi Riddle, boxy
Riddle Sideways: thanks for the articles, topic and fun research
Alfred Kelberry: i think h+ is something about hip replacement and eternal life :)
    Funny, this weekend there was at an animal (dog) festival.  Talking with a hip replacement person about their dog that needed a hip replacement. But, she would only (on average) live another 2 years. Wow!
Riddle Sideways: many sides to the discussions
Zen Arado: why do you expect it to be clear cut boxy?
Riddle Sideways: :))
Zen Arado: it's a big fuzzy topic
Zen Arado: :)
Riddle Sideways: some of it has always been happening
Zen Arado: I was just reading an article where the author suggests that the issues can be better explored in sci fi films and stories better than in hard science
Alfred Kelberry: zen: well, when i hear pizza, although, there are many varieties, i know what it means. but h+, where's no a mental grip for me :)
Zen Arado: becaus e it's pretty speculative
Zen Arado: a kind of exploration of what the future might bring
Alfred Kelberry: yes, maybe this is why i have trouble with it
             --BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: actually, "a kind of exploration of what the future might bring" - is a much clearer description :)
Alfred Kelberry: now i see a point of reference. the present, and projections to the future.
Zen Arado: the science needs to be fleshed out with the posible effects on us humans
Zen Arado: and that in return reflects back on our presemnt society
Riddle Sideways: brb
Zen Arado: I have a book of articles on H+ and all the authors present different perspectives

Zen Arado: one recommends watching the movie 'Gattaca'
Riddle Sideways: yes, love Gattaca
Zen Arado: I never saw it
Alfred Kelberry: yes, a good one
Zen Arado: must watch
Alfred Kelberry: it's about a short guy who wanted to be a pilot, no?
Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZppWok6SX88
Alfred Kelberry: yea, this is it
Zen Arado: there are books too
Zen Arado: I downloaded a nvel suggested by Wol's clip
Alfred Kelberry: can hardly remember it. been a long tiem ago.
Zen Arado: the science of it is one thing
Zen Arado: how we react to it is another
Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=IFe9wiDfb0E
Alfred Kelberry: i'm more interested in the former :)
Alfred Kelberry: the latter will sort itself out
Zen Arado: Wol's clip projects our ad culture into the future
Zen Arado: it will boxy?
Zen Arado: scientists realise their inventions are not morally neutral
Zen Arado: like the guys who invented the A bomb
Zen Arado: even the iPad is being questioned
Zen Arado: its manufacture is causing poor wqorking conditions for Chines
Zen Arado: Chinese workers
Zen Arado: some committing suicide
             --BELL--

Zen Arado: maybe letting things work themselves out isn't good enough any more
Riddle Sideways: back, sorry biz phone part of another life on another tech
Zen Arado: or maybe we can't change human nature
Zen Arado: shrugs
Zen Arado: wb Riddle
Riddle Sideways: ah, eugenics(sp?)
Zen Arado: or control
Riddle Sideways: the inproved humans will be class oriented
Zen Arado: it's as if we are still the same as we were hunting on the Serengeti
Zen Arado: but with advanced tech to cope with now
Riddle Sideways: a new stone tool
Zen Arado: heh
Riddle Sideways: the wheel came along and humanity went bad
Zen Arado: :)
Riddle Sideways: many like to say that
Zen Arado: just went bad faster :)
Riddle Sideways: but, how many times has it been true?
Riddle Sideways: industrial age moved most off the farms and filled Cities
Zen Arado: yeh..tech driven
Riddle Sideways: tech foods reduced nutrition
Zen Arado: remesmber that book .Future Shock?'
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: been many books, stories, papers, blogs
Zen Arado: about the pace of change
Zen Arado: leaving us behind
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: Hi San ;)
Riddle Sideways: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: hello:)
Riddle Sideways: in high school, read a story about the early automobiles
Riddle Sideways: it was predicted that
Riddle Sideways: they might be able to reach 30 miles per hour
Riddle Sideways: but the human mind would not be able to control
Riddle Sideways: it at that rate
Riddle Sideways: was a real article.
Riddle Sideways: with facts and figures
Zen Arado: yeh they sad that about trains too
Zen Arado: and London would be buried in horse dung
Zen Arado: :)
Riddle Sideways: it was. wasn't it?
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: ms san
Zen Arado: the automobile saved it from that
Santoshima Resident: mister boxy, greetings :)
Riddle Sideways: so, one of your articles said that AI would process faster then human mind could
Zen Arado: yeh the singularity
Zen Arado: a sudden exponential growth of computer power
Zen Arado: or computers developing AI and developing themselves
Zen Arado: Kurzweil talks about that
Alfred Kelberry: "singularity is a point in the future (often set at or around 2030 A.D.) beyond which overwhelming technical changes (especially the development of superhuman artificial intelligence) make reliable predictions impossible"
Alfred Kelberry: crap, i'm going to be old by then
Santoshima Resident: dang
Zen Arado: I won't even be around
Santoshima Resident: ditto
Zen Arado: will miss it ..darn
Alfred Kelberry: zen, you sound too sure :)
Riddle Sideways: is that prediction on the order of what we were talking?
Zen Arado: http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzwei...niversity.html
Riddle Sideways: is it yet another article saying that Moore's law will fail
             --BELL--

Zen Arado: who knows?
Santoshima Resident: {excuse me: late rising, early to leave ... gotto go work ~ enjoy the day}
Zen Arado: byee san
Zen Arado: have a good day
Alfred Kelberry: i can't wait for a qualitative leap in the current vanguard research (ai, bio, etc). seeing same boring quantitative improvements (computers, cars) is annoying.
Riddle Sideways: bye san
Zen Arado: I would like to see a cure for muscular dystrophy
Riddle Sideways: yes, both
Zen Arado: and cancers
Zen Arado: and heart disease
Zen Arado: Alzheimers
Riddle Sideways: and if it involves altering your DNA?
Zen Arado: then we can think about the singularity
Zen Arado: good question Riddle
Zen Arado: genetic manipulation
Zen Arado: gene therapy
Riddle Sideways: No, sorry, all things have to be thought of at the same time
Zen Arado: might try it
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's essential for prolonging our lives
Zen Arado: not much to lose
Alfred Kelberry: i'm all for gene therapy
Zen Arado: I'm for anything that would make me healthy
Zen Arado: without serious side effects
Riddle Sideways: ah, conditionals
Zen Arado: well...if the side effects outweighed the benefits...
Riddle Sideways: yep
Zen Arado: biological defects need to be overcome first I think
Riddle Sideways: and some of me will be too old at the singularity to cope
Zen Arado: would physical age matter?
Zen Arado: if they could upload brain patterns
Alfred Kelberry: damn, this 2030 prediction is exciting! me wants! now!!! :)
Riddle Sideways: most would select a yound av with an old mind
Zen Arado: it could be the dream of an immortal soul in disguise
Riddle Sideways: impatient puppy
Zen Arado: one of the articles claimed that
Zen Arado: maybe the mind is ageless?
Zen Arado: though the brain ages
Riddle Sideways: Lazarius Long
Alfred Kelberry: ideas are certainly can outlast their carriers
Riddle Sideways: sci-fi heroes out living Ray Bradbury
Zen Arado: our minds are so conditioned by our biology though
Zen Arado: imagine not sleepin
Zen Arado: not eating
Zen Arado: maybe there is no mind without a brain substrate
Riddle Sideways: dreaming of not dreaming
Alfred Kelberry: that would be awesome
Alfred Kelberry: mcdonalds go bankrupt - yay!
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: could have a virtual burger
Alfred Kelberry: no waste
Zen Arado: simulate the taste
             --BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: well, i think we can safely say that we let down the sci-fi writers of the past
Riddle Sideways: the virtual veggie burgers still taste bad
Riddle Sideways: why do you say that Boxy?
Zen Arado: nothing new in this really...Descartes talked about being a brain in a jar
Riddle Sideways: many sci-fi if taking literally might seem to have missed something
Alfred Kelberry: riddle: all the older movies that i watch had their futuristic scenes set out in our or earlier times. yet still nothing like the imagined future.
Riddle Sideways: always liked that 'in the future' we would all wear the same clothing styles
Riddle Sideways: eliminate fashion industry
Alfred Kelberry: nah, boring
Zen Arado: so laughable looking at old predictions of the future
Alfred Kelberry: neat concept though
Riddle Sideways: Boxy, there is the diff of movie/screenplay vs book/novel
Alfred Kelberry: i prefer the former :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, the Snow Crash predictions that we would sometimes go into a metaverse world as avitars
Zen Arado: the 'boy meets girl' stuff is always the same
Alfred Kelberry: optimized for time and visual enjoyment :)
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: who would fall for that one ?
Zen Arado: :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen: to me, one striking prediction is 2001 odyssey. 2012 and still no hal. yet alone comparable space ships.
Zen Arado: yeh..or station on the moon
Alfred Kelberry: exactly
Riddle Sideways: so, the date was off
Zen Arado: I saw that in 1968
Alfred Kelberry: it freaking sucks. bankers waste money on crap instead of doing hard science.
Riddle Sideways: in the 60's the space efforts were still going
Alfred Kelberry: yea...
Riddle Sideways: had not been shutdown yet
Zen Arado: need money in medical science instead of military spending
Riddle Sideways: the curve looked like it would go to those sci-fi futures
Zen Arado: it was mostly a space race with Russia
Riddle Sideways: that was most of the arguement
Alfred Kelberry: it's really infuriating seeing all the billions wasted on wars and expansion of free market
Riddle Sideways: basic research costs to much
Zen Arado: I watched a doc about a space probe to Triton the other night
Zen Arado: it was successful
Zen Arado: amazing
Riddle Sideways: what we need is instant gradifaction instead
Riddle Sideways: Zen, thank you for a great topic
Zen Arado: yw
Riddle Sideways: need to go be another now
Zen Arado: better go byee
Zen Arado: ;)
Riddle Sideways: thank you all