2012.06.22 07:00 - Dreams and Reincarnation

Lucinda Lavender: HI Sam...

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi Luci :

Lucinda Lavender: nice to see you.

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Likewise :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): I like your avie's pants

Lucinda Lavender: thanks....I like flowers and unusual leggings

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): "leggings"

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): me nods

Lucinda Lavender: a skirt of sorts came with them but I decided not wear it

Lucinda Lavender: in Rl I have tie dyed leggings...black and white...

Lucinda Lavender: I like to call them lightning legs

Lucinda Lavender: feels magical

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): flashes of magic

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): RI?

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Oh RL

Lucinda Lavender: Yes RL

boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi :)

Lucinda Lavender: sorry just waking up...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): where is storm? slept in again?

Lucinda Lavender: HI Boxy:)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi alfred !

Lucinda Lavender: this morning I looked up at the alarm I set last night...it was the exact right time but no alarm was going to go off because I had set it for PM!

boxy (alfred.kelberry): haha

Lucinda Lavender: but woke appropriately none the less

boxy (alfred.kelberry): classical mishap :)

Lucinda Lavender: yes!

boxy (alfred.kelberry): you woke up on your own though. well trained by the alarm :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): /me smiles

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): nicer to wake naturally.. often

Lucinda Lavender: between the cats and the chickens...it is kind of a noisy time sometimes

Lucinda Lavender: mew cackle cackle

Lucinda Lavender: mew

boxy (alfred.kelberry): i wonder if there are alarms that warn you in cases like that

boxy (alfred.kelberry): rather easy to implement

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Not sure where Storm is alfred, is he meant to be here? ..and Luci.. I used to keep chickens, and they can be loud at times..

Lucinda Lavender: seems like it...some kind of internal clock

Lucinda Lavender: very Sam

boxy (alfred.kelberry): if you go to bed at 11 pm and set the alarm to 7 pm, it's going to confirm: are you sure? :) boxy (alfred.kelberry): internal clock has to be trained though. adapt to a certain pattern.

Lucinda Lavender: seems that the am/pm choice is easily messed up by me...

Lucinda Lavender: it may be that the amount of cacling becomes an alarm itself

Lucinda Lavender: cackling

boxy (alfred.kelberry): luci, storm is always here on the morning meetings

Lucinda Lavender: ah...did not know that

boxy (alfred.kelberry): unless he's on a trip or sleeping in

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Lucinda Lavender: Sam how many chickens ...for you?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): i've had chicken today. num num :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): ah.. it varied.. perhaps between 3 and 10 at given times

Lucinda Lavender: aboput how long did yours live? we just had one get sick after 4 years

Lucinda Lavender: now we have 4...Lucinda Lavender: 2 4 year olds and 2 2 year olds

Lucinda Lavender: thinking about getting some chicks

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Well good question.. sense there are a number of factors. The foxes were the main issue for the lifespan of most of my hens, though a couple died of disease of some kind. The breed seems to make a difference.. and commercial layers now have "terminator" genes. Just awful that.

Lucinda Lavender: wow...I did not know about the terminator genes!

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): I honestly don't know what the natural life expectency is for hens. Lucinda Lavender: mine have ususally died because of predators

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): I know laying frequency decreases.. Had some retirees.. in a sense, who did not lay as often.. Aside from the foxes, they had a very good life.

Lucinda Lavender: but now we have a better set up and the neighborhood does not have ranging bands of dogs anymore...the raccoons have not penetrated the coop either . yes it seems we have a couple retirees as well

boxy (alfred.kelberry): "The listed life span is around 8 years but some layers burn out early at 2-3 years and others can exceed 8 years."

Lucinda Lavender: interesting...thanks Alfred

boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): /me smiles.. thanks alfred

Lucinda Lavender: I watched a program on reincarnation last night...

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Oh! Do tell?

Lucinda Lavender: on public tv...it was called My Reincarnation

Lucinda Lavender: ona program called POV...Point of View

Lucinda Lavender: pretty interesting...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): sounds cheesy :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): I think I have seen a write up on that one.. Did you like it?

Lucinda Lavender: I did find it thought provoking

Lucinda Lavender: dreaming figured highly in it actually. and for that reason I was especially interested

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): /me smiles.. understandably

Lucinda Lavender: I would watch it again I think

boxy (alfred.kelberry): there was a person claiming he was reincarnated?

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Lucinda Lavender: the fellow was the son of a Rinpoche fellow...and there were signs that this son had been connected to another one in Tibet

Lucinda Lavender: thanks SAm...

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): watching trailer

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Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi Eliza !

Lucinda Lavender: yes!

Lucinda Lavender: the exact one...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): btw, how do they determine the next reincarnated buddha?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hello friends :)

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza :)

Lucinda Lavender: watching interesting trailer of My Reincarnation

Lucinda Lavender: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1742084/

boxy (alfred.kelberry): welcome, mr wolf :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi Gilles !

Hoooooowls!!

howls to all

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ah... not familiar with that ...

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hello Gilles :)

Lucinda Lavender: Welcome Gilles...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): luci, how do they determine the connection? via dreams?

Lucinda Lavender: well the fellow, the son realized he had dreamt of places in Tibet as a 5 year old...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): where is he from originally?

Lucinda Lavender: it took growing up and visiting there to realize he had been remembering the future he would see

Lucinda Lavender: I think the son was born in Italy

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): many angles 'remembering the future he would see'....

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice

Gilles Kuhn: not very convincing....

boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, so it's dream based. sort of like shamanic visions of the native americans.

[2012/06/22 07:36]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Unmistaken Child was an interesting film in seeing the sort of deliberations.. not just dreams

Lucinda Lavender: hewell he had seen in his dreams the vally the tankas, the various ritual pieces

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): The movie Tulku (2009) may be also of interest along similar lines: http://is.gd/Hdi0xI

Gilles Kuhn: i dreamed tonight to be in italy in a city that dont exist at my knowledge but it was very italian with nice roman ruin and all it is impressive how our brain is able to reconstruct things

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): interesting Gilles

Lucinda Lavender: how interesting Gilles, and thanks Sam

boxy (alfred.kelberry): gilles, you must have been an italian in your previous life

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Tulku trailer .. for the record: http://is.gd/5iNhGR

Gilles Kuhn: not interesting per se but my point is it is extremely easy and common to reconstruct remembrance and dreams thats the origin of thesensation of déjà vu

Lucinda Lavender: I find it interesting that some dreams seem so much an exploration of past...and some exploration of future

Gilles Kuhn: by exploration of future you mean imagination i presume?

Lucinda Lavender: i guess

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Luci.. during or after the dream?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): time in dreams can be pretty fascinating... dreams don't mind being rearranged

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): order of events being rearranged*

Lucinda Lavender: it seems like we can look at the dream after dreaming it and see that it feels like it is set in an older time ...or I can notice in the dream that something feels like it is completely new...then I consider it very possibly about future

Lucinda Lavender: it feels full of energy...which may be potential

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Gilles Kuhn: well dreams are about an epiphenomen of long term memory fixation at least its thelast neuroscience tell us

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): appearances and possibilities

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): neuroscience can only measure individual responses at this point... so lots of sort of collective boundaries unexplored

[Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): the trouble with being pedantic about the way things are or aren't, is that it can, perhaps unwittingly, or naively detract from the true meaning of exploration of a personal nature for individuals, and also create a kind of recursive cargo cult problem for those fixated on proving realities rather than finding meaning in their human lives.

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): IMO

Lucinda Lavender: :))

Lucinda Lavender: can you say more Sam?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, i think social sciences explore these collective boundaries quite well. at least they try to maintain a certain reference framework.

Gilles Kuhn: yes so to invent meaning who are by definition a construct has more value than to try to study empirically and thus with most regard to intersubjective rationnality ooooo?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): barely a toe dip though... don't you think... at least when it comes to tech

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): collective quests seem born of individual ones, too

Lucinda Lavender: wb Sam

Gilles Kuhn: since writing we know of subjective exploration of our minds well we have not evolved since at least 2000 years in that so its way time to try others tech indeed

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wb O

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): ty

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, we're collectively in sl, sitting around the pond, talking - pretty good tech to me :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me smiles

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but if you write your observations it still doesn't 'count' Boxy unless you can show them on a chart... do avatars brains light up in various places? :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): sort of kidding of course, but to me it seems just about not either/or

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): their antlers sometimes do

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me giggles

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): /me smiles

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, depends on definition of "light up" :)

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): points of light

boxy (alfred.kelberry): generally, one sim is being served by a single cpu. if you mean execution that it may be the place :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): people were scribbling and mumbling things thousands of years ago that now we accept as proven

boxy (alfred.kelberry): how's that?

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Gilles Kuhn: really eliza? which oone apart of math and logic ?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): poetic sorts of ideas about multiple universes etc... now taken 'seriously'... so, just like to listen to various ways

Gilles Kuhn: multiple universe speakingof logic i think occcam razor need to be thaught in first year in all physic college....

boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): logic doesn't like to admit to its inspirations

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): greeting the world and beings in openmindedness seems particularly friendly

Lucinda Lavender: what I found interesting in the movie was the acceptance of dreaming as a source of knowlege

Gilles Kuhn: to be open minded dont mean to believe in every aburdity because its seeems nice

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, those scribbles had actual causality in rl observations. then later formed into theories with more or less complete math basis.

boxy (alfred.kelberry): it wasn't simply seen in a "collective dream" and taken for an axiom

Lucinda Lavender: Luci gets a little lost when we are talking about the scribbles...which ones?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): oh surely not... but only when one gets to a jung or einstein level are they allowed to say that something came in a dream... even a formula :P

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): agrred Gilles, but the points of belief, and the points of kindness can dance in certain graces.. Maybe occam's razor would concur.

Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): *agreed

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): for me Luci I was thinking of buddhist texts that envision 'buddha fields' and that sort of thing... imaginations but are quite close to what later become possibilities and imaginations played with collectively

boxy (alfred.kelberry): luci, source of knowledge - i can agree to that. it is data. although, assigning casual effects to it in the past or the future is beyond my comprehension.

Lucinda Lavender: ah...

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): people seem to have flashes ... pictures out of time that have no data to work with for a long time

Gilles Kuhn: ahem buddah fields is it measurable ? (duck for cover)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hehhe

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (((gilles)))

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and even those flashes may be replaced by other flashes... but the point is that inspiration comes and later someone forms a question

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so joint venture

Gilles Kuhn: or application of a mode of problem solving or perception to a problem itr was not intented to solve

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, i tend to attribute those flashes into glitches in the neuron wiring rather than past lives :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): how many lives do you feel you are living right now?

Gilles Kuhn: (and by neuron spiking in groups of course)

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, that's like asking what was before the big bang :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Gilles Kuhn: i dont see any sense at your last question eliza

Lucinda Lavender: :))

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well it is just that we have, I think, simplistic ways of viewing these kinds of past lives questions...

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): as though we understand time

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boxy (alfred.kelberry): you feel like complicate it? :)

Gilles Kuhn: eliza we dont understand time we create it its an internal sense

Gilles Kuhn: if you want to speak of physical objective time then you speak of mov"ementand causality

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I feel like everyone I've ever known has a distinct impression of who they may think I am... and all those impressions may be vastly different... as though living on different planets almost...

Gilles Kuhn: movement*

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Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and I imagine that I could narrow down others as well

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): pinpoint them into constructions and miss most of what is going on

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so to me that is a kind of parallel

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ;::shrug:::

boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, we take on various roles in our lives and they are perceived in various ways

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes

Lucinda Lavender: so the appearances ...are the dream

boxy (alfred.kelberry): group setting has a big effect on our behaviour and thought process

Lucinda Lavender: and it is all unreal the movie suggested

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): looking forward to seeing the film Luci

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I was looking for this other film, about Namkhai Norbu and his son

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but haven't found it to rent yet... so frustrating

Lucinda Lavender: ah

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so nice to see you all.. time for second cup of coffee

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): slept late again... ah, summer

Lucinda Lavender: :) Thanks so much Eliza

boxy (alfred.kelberry): get better, eliza :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): have fun, ty

boxy (alfred.kelberry): dream well

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me smiles you too

boxy (alfred.kelberry): btw, wolfy, do you know of the pigeon superstition?

Gilles Kuhn: mmmh sory was in another im and no i dont think so

Lucinda Lavender: can you remind us?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): another im? is it just as exciting as ours? :)

Gilles Kuhn: no it is part of my psychological helpdesk ;-)

boxy (alfred.kelberry): luci, it's a play on pavlov's dog

boxy (alfred.kelberry): gilles, oh, i can do that :)

Lucinda Lavender: can you say more?

Lucinda Lavender: about the pidgeon?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): luci, a pigeon in a box with a feeder that is opened randomly. if the pigeon happens to flap his wings when the feeder opened, he will assign a casual effect to it and will start flapping next time he's hungry :)

Lucinda Lavender: ah

Gilles Kuhn: typical pavlovian

boxy (alfred.kelberry): as you may notice, it might just as well be called a human's superstition :)

Lucinda Lavender: ah

Gilles Kuhn: indeed

boxy (alfred.kelberry): yes, but done by americans decades later

boxy (alfred.kelberry): i.e. black cat crossing - so popular, it's crazy

Lucinda Lavender: well so...a few weeks ago..I wnet for day days...there were three dreams on those days and each morning I would see something in my email or facebook or somewhere that seemed connected to the dreams

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Lucinda Lavender: well yes I always say seemed

boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think dreams are so often vague that one, with certain determination, can find seemingly valid links to rl events

Lucinda Lavender: yes...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): wolfy, how is it going? need help? :)

Gilles Kuhn: me noo

Gilles Kuhn: my im correspondant could use maxine

boxy (alfred.kelberry): tell him to try the dream workshop

Gilles Kuhn: the number of borderline case or real psy ccase in sl is impressive

boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think it's every thursday 1 pm

Lucinda Lavender: or Tuesday?

Gilles Kuhn: tuesday

boxy (alfred.kelberry): you're one peculiar psy case yourself, my fellow canine :)

Lucinda Lavender: having trouble finding it on the website

Lucinda Lavender: :))

Gilles Kuhn: are we not all then ? i didnt know you were jungian btw....

boxy (alfred.kelberry): hardly

Lucinda Lavender: I will have to go for now. Thanks Everyone:)

Gilles Kuhn: bye lucinda

boxy (alfred.kelberry): keep your hens safe, luci

Lucinda Lavender: will try...

Gilles Kuhn: beware the evil foxies ;-)