2013.02.19 19:00 - perimeter of self and other

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cat!

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: I think the theme this week is 'other'?
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Eos :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: other as in others or other selfs :)
Eos Amaterasu: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Eos Amaterasu: my mirror neurons are happy when there is other
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: hello
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Eliza
Eos Amaterasu: my mirror neurons are happy, _/\_
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: many others in the mirror of Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: kind of a koan: what does a mirror neuron mirror?
Eliza Madrigal: and it is aware of itself
Eos Amaterasu: morning dew
Catrinamonblue Resident: is a little lost?
Eliza Madrigal: shall I compare thee...
Catrinamonblue Resident: ah
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Druth :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :)
Eos Amaterasu: 'though we think we're in a play, we are anyway' (- Beatles)
druth Vlodovic: hi
Eos Amaterasu: hi druth
Eos Amaterasu: we are riffing in the key of 'other'
Eos Amaterasu: [19:00] Catrinamonblue: other as in others or other selfs :)

Eliza Madrigal: there is a very strange circumstance as I'm here tonight... helicopters overhead, neighborhood sectioned off, searches going on
Eos Amaterasu: yikes!
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh dear
druth Vlodovic: careful they might find you
Eliza Madrigal: it is in these moments that 'other' seems real
Eliza Madrigal: :) Druth
Eos Amaterasu: wish I could drag your RL here :-)
Eliza Madrigal: it has been hours...
Eos Amaterasu: wow, yes, very real
druth Vlodovic: "doyouever feellike you're an NPC in someone else's story?"
druth Vlodovic: what are they searching for?
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
druth Vlodovic: hi bleu
Eliza Madrigal: someone's play got out of hand
Bleu Oleander: evening all :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.local10.com/news/Cops-Officers-in-shooting-standoff-with-multiple-suspects/-/1717324/18991810/-/kjxf0b/-/index.html
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bleu
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: but that is all I'll say about it... nice to be 'here' with you all :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: goodness Eliza, so glad to have you here with us
Eos Amaterasu reads the breaking news, errgh!
Eliza Madrigal: ty.. yeah... errgh!!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
druth Vlodovic: wow, keep away from windows and keep your phone at hand
Eos Amaterasu: erg is a unit of energy, beamed toward you
Eliza Madrigal: hopefully just a bit o drama which will pass soon enough
Bleu Oleander: near you?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, am in the circle of "stay inside your home"
Bleu Oleander: yikes
Eos Amaterasu: [19:09] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): http://www.local10.com/news/Cops-Officers-in-shooting-standoff-with-multiple-suspects/-/1717324/18991810/-/kjxf0b/-/index.html

druth Vlodovic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cBkWhkAZ9ds
Eliza Madrigal: ty Druth :D
druth Vlodovic: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: we have been listening to that a lot this afternoon :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah that doesn't even look like a frog
druth Vlodovic: I've been playing it all day
Catrinamonblue Resident: small minds sigh.....
Eos Amaterasu: I've seen it at the Star Wars Bar
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: he is puffed up so he looks as menacing as he sounds
Eliza Madrigal: sweet... the world is full of delightful creatures
Eos Amaterasu: big mean mother other
Catrinamonblue Resident: I want to have one as a pet :)

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: 90 seconds over Dade
Eliza Madrigal: :::breathes and smiles::::
Catrinamonblue Resident: others in the mind, others in the heart, others in soul, others all of us together
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: frogs are marvelous.... in the planet earth footage they show the poison dart frog mothers climbing towering trees in the rainforest to deposit next generation into bromileads
Eliza Madrigal: one by one... long journeys
Bleu Oleander: amazing
Eos Amaterasu: bromileads?
Bleu Oleander: beautiful plants
Eliza Madrigal: yes plants that keep water... little bowls
Eliza Madrigal: with spikey tentacles
Eos Amaterasu: that's just like mom!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: mom network

Eos Amaterasu: alienation is a kind of otherness, or being other to everything
Eos Amaterasu: no there there, only otherness
Eliza Madrigal: "only otherness" what a haunting phrase
Eos Amaterasu: very desolate
Eos Amaterasu: no play
Eliza Madrigal: play does seem to require others :)
Eos Amaterasu: game of self and other
Catrinamonblue Resident: a lonley child finds playmates in her imagination :)
Bleu Oleander: self and imaginary friends :)
druth Vlodovic: alienation from yourself can make everything otherness
Bleu Oleander: snap
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu: yes, exactly, druth
Eos Amaterasu: the only way out is to snap out of it :-)
Eos Amaterasu: maybe by forgetting 'other' for a second
Eos Amaterasu: then you either grin or go further crazy
druth Vlodovic: going crazy is maybe becoming truly yourself "when no one is watching"
Catrinamonblue Resident: me and myself dancing together crazy circles round and round :) losing each other and finding each other
Eliza Madrigal: ooooo
Eos Amaterasu: maybe in that kind of ambiguity people meet
druth Vlodovic: everything unsettled so everything possible
Eliza Madrigal: the unsettled possible
Eos Amaterasu: might open an adjacent possible
druth Vlodovic: creative chaos
Catrinamonblue Resident: downside up possible :)
druth Vlodovic: or an openness to meetings
Eliza Madrigal: if no one is watching who would know?

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: I think there is always someone watching myself or me, knowing where I go and what I do
druth Vlodovic: lol,can you drop by typing?
druth Vlodovic: am I watching? am I me when I'm watching? who is watching when I am seeing me?
Eos Amaterasu: those are good questions to hunt with
Catrinamonblue Resident: myself watching me watching myself being me
Eos Amaterasu: maybe
Eos Amaterasu: maybe not
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eos Amaterasu: you might forget to watch yourself
Catrinamonblue Resident: lost in the watching :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: (is loving the dancing words tonight)
Eos Amaterasu: a masked ball of otherness
druth Vlodovic: you might forget to be yourself, while watching
Catrinamonblue Resident: unlikely :)
Eliza Madrigal: celebration of otherness and self at once
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Eos Amaterasu: me zoomin' me
Eos Amaterasu: & thee
Bleu Oleander: who's zooming who?
Eliza Madrigal: momentito.. brb
Catrinamonblue Resident: k
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aph :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi
druth Vlodovic: hmm, unlikely to forget to be yourself, likely to be yourself while forgetting?
Bleu Oleander: hey Aph
druth Vlodovic: hi aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi
Aphrodite Macbain: what's happening?
Aphrodite Macbain: forgetting to be who?
Catrinamonblue Resident: we are dancing with others :)
Eos Amaterasu: and whoness
druth Vlodovic: helicopters and armed police hunting poor eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: omg
druth Vlodovic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cBkWhkAZ9ds
Aphrodite Macbain sonders what she has got into
Aphrodite Macbain: also wonders
druth Vlodovic: sonder and lightning, very very frightening
Eliza Madrigal: back.... quite strange.. seeing news footage of happenings
Aphrodite Macbain: lol squeek I want one as a shoulder friend
Catrinamonblue Resident: YES!!!
Eos Amaterasu: is it still ongoing?
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: oh, yes
Eliza Madrigal: basically in my back yard
Bleu Oleander: yikes
Eos Amaterasu: erggh (again)
Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :(
Eos Amaterasu beams another erg of energy to Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: do you know what is happening? haw many are shooting?
Eliza Madrigal: you know what else is in my back yard... hah.. we see these commercials 10 times a day if tv is on:
Eliza Madrigal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjoduXHivik
Eos Amaterasu: OMG!
Aphrodite Macbain: No officer injuries were reported.
Eliza Madrigal: yes, don't worry... it is frightening but likely the fugitives have tried to get to some of the natural areas nearby
Aphrodite Macbain: I hope you are moving far far awau fgrm there Eliza
Aphrodite Macbain: away
Eliza Madrigal: not allowed... must stay in, but thank you Aph
Eos Amaterasu: you could teleport
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Eliza Madrigal: you figured it out? :)
Aphrodite Macbain: not right now Eliza.
Aphrodite Macbain: when the shooting stops.
Eliza Madrigal: I think it has stopped... but people are missing still
druth Vlodovic: maybe eaten by the snails
Aphrodite Macbain: Is this your new home or your old one Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: I am wondering if I should have signed on and shared about this but it does feel good to be here and I'm glad the kids are upstairs
Eliza Madrigal: one being sold, Aph

--BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: We are glad to be of support however we can even if just distracting you from it
Eliza Madrigal: :) Thank you... and yes, hah maybe the snails... or, pythons
druth Vlodovic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H7Byesg0L0&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Bleu Oleander: hi steve :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: HI Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: greetings all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevenaia :) we're learning how to care for african land snails
Aphrodite Macbain: H stevenaia
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, Stevenaia
druth Vlodovic: hi 'naia
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
druth Vlodovic: 500 kids a year
Eos Amaterasu: also blowing protective bubbles of 9-secondness to Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: :)
druth Vlodovic: hugs
druth Vlodovic: it was otherness and watching for a while
Eliza Madrigal: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: do African_land_snails need caring for?
druth Vlodovic: but sort of got interrupted by life happening around us
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_African_land_snail
druth Vlodovic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKgwoK9tFQE&NR=1&feature=endscreen
druth Vlodovic: who are you when nobody is watching 'naia?
Eliza Madrigal: this is like asking about original face :)
druth Vlodovic: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: usually whether someone is watching or not matters not
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: ohh
druth Vlodovic: I don't even think the same when people are watching
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes, recognize that, druth
Eliza Madrigal: nor I... I was thinking about what it is like to watch a film with someone vs alone
Catrinamonblue Resident: but you are paranoid so.... we make allowances for you :)
stevenaia Michinaga: for me that would take to much effort
Eliza Madrigal: if with someone I am trying to see it through their eyes, and checking for cues of what they might be feeling
druth Vlodovic: who told you that!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eos Amaterasu: I don't even think the same when I'm watching
Eliza Madrigal smiles
druth Vlodovic: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I feel I am me no matter where I am or who I am with, I don't even think about it really, just me :)
Eos Amaterasu: there's funny, and/or fun, dance when other is co-perceiving
stevenaia Michinaga: although i laugh more w/ others
Bleu Oleander: if they're funny
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: being around someone makes me a sort of hybrid person
Eliza Madrigal: part you keep to yourself Druth?
druth Vlodovic: consisting of who I am, who they are, who i think they are,who I want to be to them...
stevenaia Michinaga: funnier the more serious they are trying to be
druth Vlodovic: it gets complicated :)
Eliza Madrigal: I see :)
Eos Amaterasu: others actually have intersected into residence with us
Eos Amaterasu: and we with them
Catrinamonblue Resident: Druth you think too much :)
Eliza Madrigal: catching ourselves
Eos Amaterasu: dropping ourselves
Catrinamonblue Resident: I like that Eliza, Eos
Eliza Madrigal: ready for pause.... ;-)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: deep breath
druth Vlodovic: frogging
Catrinamonblue Resident: grrr

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: back
Catrinamonblue Resident: 90 seconds of trying not to kill Druth as the frog squeaked yet again
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eliza Madrigal giggling
druth Vlodovic: cutie froggy
Aphrodite Macbain: what an amazing convoersation
Catrinamonblue Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: I am different with everyone
Eos Amaterasu: Well, must squeak out, .... thnx all
Aphrodite Macbain: ribbid
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Eos, nite
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Eos :)
druth Vlodovic: 'night eos
stevenaia Michinaga: night eos
Aphrodite Macbain: wavses
Bleu Oleander: bye Eos
druth Vlodovic: funny though
Eliza Madrigal: I relate to that Aph... though it isn't just different, there is also something constant
Eliza Madrigal: maybe what you meant by Hybrid, Druth?
druth Vlodovic: we think it is good to be different in different places, but not around different people
Aphrodite Macbain: we have many selves
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: each come out at different times
Eliza Madrigal: a bit like, each person draws something different from each person
Aphrodite Macbain: depending on whether they are provoked or curious
Aphrodite Macbain: or comfotable
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: capacity for curiosity
Aphrodite Macbain: or feel safe
Aphrodite Macbain: with whom ever is watching
druth Vlodovic: I find myself unconsciously imitating people's accents and the like, like I am trying to be them in order to understand them
Aphrodite Macbain: nod, I do that too. when I was in Scotland I stared speaking with a lilting accent
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: like blank slateness...?
stevenaia Michinaga: night all
Eliza Madrigal: nite Stevie
druth Vlodovic: or becoming the painting
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Steve
Bleu Oleander: night steve
druth Vlodovic: 'night 'naia
Eliza Madrigal: ah, like that
Aphrodite Macbain: "becoming the painting" :-) interesting cncet
Aphrodite Macbain: concept
Eliza Madrigal: ever find yourself saying something you didn't know you knew, due to the context of the situation or person with?
druth Vlodovic: talking to others can be a way of discovering what you know
Eliza Madrigal nods
Aphrodite Macbain: interesting. can you give an example Eliza?
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont think I've had that experience
Eliza Madrigal: not really...uncanny really
Eliza Madrigal: really really... lol (sorry for redundancies)
Aphrodite Macbain: something appears from your subconscious?
Aphrodite Macbain: or from a forgotten memory?
Eliza Madrigal: I think that's what it is... that we have so much 'stored' and a situation may draw it out or connect it spontaneously
Catrinamonblue Resident: I have found myself capable of being other than myself in situations that demand otherness from me
Eliza Madrigal: public speakers often talk about how the audience matters
Eliza Madrigal: can you say more Cat?
Aphrodite Macbain: "other than yourself"? Cat?
Catrinamonblue Resident: just that I have found myself capable of deeper compassion and patience than Ithought was possible
Aphrodite Macbain: or a part of yourself you dont know?
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Cat
Catrinamonblue Resident: and really patience is not something I have usually :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, there are occasions where you behave in a way you could not have predicted
Catrinamonblue Resident: but I have found a part of myself I think that I didn't know was there
Eliza Madrigal: that can be amazing
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes it has been
Catrinamonblue Resident: and continues to be an amazing experience
Eliza Madrigal: strangers within :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)
druth Vlodovic: we are both what is within us and what is around us
druth Vlodovic: and who :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: true :)
Aphrodite Macbain: we are all connected/stardust/united
Catrinamonblue Resident: star stuff :)
Eliza Madrigal: golden :)
Eliza Madrigal: I should go, though I wish this situation here was resolved
Catrinamonblue Resident: night eliza, hugs
Bleu Oleander: don't open your doors
Eliza Madrigal: sleeping in an action film :)
Bleu Oleander: nite Eliza take care
druth Vlodovic: enjoy the excitement life is giving you
Aphrodite Macbain: Stay away from the windows!

--BELL--

druth Vlodovic: it is really very comfy under the bed
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eliza Madrigal: nite friends... lol... snuggling with dust bunnies
Aphrodite Macbain: along with the dust bunnies
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: 'night :)
Eliza Madrigal: night
Aphrodite Macbain: snap
Bleu Oleander: nite
Aphrodite Macbain: must go and eat
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: nodding off too ... nite all
Catrinamonblue Resident: food is good :0 )
Aphrodite Macbain: love yoour dust bunnies Bleu
Catrinamonblue Resident: Night Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: hehe
druth Vlodovic: exuant totalis
Bleu Oleander: comfy
druth Vlodovic: 'night all
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Catrinamonblue Resident: night Aph
Catrinamonblue Resident: Night Druth