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2013.02.24 08:00 - Guardians Session: Signs of Life
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No headersPresent for this guardians session were: : Agatha Macbeth : Bleu Oleander : Bruce Mowbray : Catrinamonblue Resident : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Louis Onyett : Pema Pera : Raffila Millgrove : Wol Euler : Xirana Oximoxi : Zen Arado : druth Vlodovic
Eliza posted this session with comments and thanks Bleu for the fabulous photo. The topics
chosen for the next two weeks are: 1) Love as relates to Being, and 2) Freedom as relates to dropping.
Agatha Macbeth: Yo :)Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Pema!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so nice to see you
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :::rubs eyes::::
Pema Pera: hi everybody!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :::pinches self::::
Pema Pera: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, hello Pem
Wol Euler: hello pema, long time no see
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Catrinamonblue: Hi Pema great to finally meet you :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Pema! :)
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Pema
Pema Pera: I know . . . life has been very busy for me the last few months . . . .
Wol Euler: (brb, kitchen...)
Pema Pera: hi Catrina, nice to meet you!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Agatha, everyone from earlier, and welcome to guardians session Louis
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Aga:)
druth Vlodovic: eek! who's that!?!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): please meet Pema, Louis, who began PaB :) nice treat today
druth Vlodovic: had time for a haircut though :)
Agatha Macbeth: LTNS
Wol Euler smiles.
Louis Onyett: Yay, nice to meet you Pema.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hey Bruce :)
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Bruce
Pema Pera: hi Louis, same here!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Bruce
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Bruce:)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, hello!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Aphrodite will not make it today - she is at a Zen Center orientation preparing for a retreat
Pema Pera: hi Bruce!
Zen (zen.arado): heh good
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Pema!
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Heya, Eos!
Pema Pera: hi Eos!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we can talk about party planning soon but it would be nice to hear from you Pema
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Eos :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Eos :)
Wol Euler: hello eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi gang!
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Eos
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Eos:
Agatha Macbeth: Hello E
Pema Pera: It's great to see you all again -- and I'm sorry that I've been so sparse lately :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Pema's recent work...
Pema Pera: My work has been far more busy than it has been in several years
Wol Euler: that sounds good :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hopefully that's a good thing
Pema Pera: I'm starting to get into astrobiology
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Pema Pera: which is a fascinating area
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): sounds fun!
Agatha Macbeth: Star life?
Pema Pera: during the last decade or so, several hundred planets have been discovered around other stars
Pema Pera: so now the big question is: can we find any signs of life there
Pema Pera: hints from the chemistry for example
Pema Pera: but that brings the question in how far the chemistry of alien life would resemble that on Earth
Pema Pera: of course, nobody knows :-)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): we are all stardust
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: We are golden
Pema Pera: but it's fun to have meetings to try to figure out how much we don't know, and what we can do about that :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): stretching the limits of inquiry
Pema Pera: and that's been keeping me busy
Wol Euler: it sounds fascinating, and very exciting
Wol Euler: hello raffi
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Raffila, I'll make you a note card
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Raffi
Pema Pera: a kind of emptiness: studying something that you don't know exists or not
Agatha Macbeth: Busy is good
Louis Onyett: Ganymede or Iopa are a little closer. ;-D
Pema Pera: anyway, that's a better excuse than the dog ate my homework
Wol Euler laughs.
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
Pema Pera: yes, and life in our own solar system is definitely a possibility, Louis
Bleu (bleu.oleander): we have an astrobiology center here at ASU
Raffila Millgrove whispers hi all, sorry to be late.
Eos Amaterasu: isn't dust mainly discarded old skin fragments et al?
Pema Pera: but not easy to find at the surface, right now
Bleu (bleu.oleander): have heard some interesting conversations
Pema Pera: yes, Bleu, some interesting people there!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): you are missed Pema, but this is a really interesting turn
Louis Onyett: We build space sensors so hear some things, too.
Pema Pera: yes, we could be contacted any day now, or not at all, who knows? :)
Louis Onyett: Mostly to look back at Earth though.
Pema Pera: how are things going in PaB?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): preparing for the 5th anniversary party
Louis Onyett: Bleu keeps stirring things up. Just kiddin'
Agatha Macbeth: mmm
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): busily party planning, yes.... Xiri and Bleu are wearing shirts Xiri made, for instance :)
Pema Pera: amazing, isn't it . . . 5 years!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): playing with the logos and 5 year theme
Bleu (bleu.oleander): we also have a new Art of Being
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Art of Being Five
druth Vlodovic: we've changed the date to the 6th and 7th of April for the party
Pema Pera: Ah, just got my anniversary shirt too -- thanks!!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Are you surprised by PaB, 5 years out, Pema?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yw!
Pema Pera: I'm surprised by everything, every day, Eliza, but yes, PaB tends to often surprise me more than other things even :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haha
Bleu (bleu.oleander): what surprises the most?
Pema Pera: the fact it's still there!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :::pinches self again:::
Pema Pera: and second, the fact that there continues to be such an open and warm atmosphere
Pema Pera: and of course the two are related :-)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Agatha Macbeth: We try :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): gracious attractors
Catrinamonblue: The premise is interesting and something that I think people are looking for in todays over stimulated society, it doesn't surprise me that this is still here
Pema Pera: the general wisdom is to close something in order to get warm (a door, whatever)
Pema Pera: but PaB remains open and warm :)
Wol Euler chuckles.
Eos Amaterasu: a little bit of open nada goes a long way
Bleu (bleu.oleander): more like Arizona in that sense :)
Pema Pera: hahaha, yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we were discussing love in Bleu's session this morning... your description would fit perhaps... open doors and windows but still warm
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Show goes on...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): On the agenda today are just the party and Art updates, along with choosing topics, and I'd like a little feedback on planning an SL retreat for us
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): normally with a retreat it is asked that everyone set aside the weekend chosen, for a RL retreat atmosphere too, but the idea this time is to ask for the commitment of just the time one attends
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): quietness amidst otherwise raucousness
Pema Pera: interesting idea!
Eos Amaterasu: (SL retreat during 5th bday celeb)
Pema Pera: there are many formats that we could explore
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... the same weekend as parties, but interspersed between dancing and such
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes?
Wol Euler smiles.
Eos Amaterasu: step - drop - step - do si do - do be do
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ^.^
Pema Pera: one new option could be to have a retreat spread out in time -- like 15 minutes a day for 15 days, each day on the same time, and a commitment to try very hard to attend all 15 -- just an idea
Bleu (bleu.oleander): interesting idea :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): a little like 99 days
Pema Pera: ah yes, how is that going?
Wol Euler looks at her shoes.
Pema Pera: (it would be a synchronized version of the 99, yes)
Catrinamonblue: having fun with the 99 days :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): cat would you say more? your first time participating :)
Catrinamonblue: (shyly asks not to) :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): aw, okay sorry ^^
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Druth? :)
druth Vlodovic: it's proceeding, an interesting way of "getting "into" something
Bleu (bleu.oleander): 15 days for 15 minutes is a doable commitment for me ... 99 days hard :)
druth Vlodovic: a bit of self-inflicted peer pressure
Catrinamonblue: :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) tweaks his "Peer Pressure" knob to its lowest setting. . .
Bleu (bleu.oleander) reflects on 5 year commitment ...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): oh goodness Bleu
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): speaking for me PaB has been that too... a deep commitment and wonderful adventure
Bleu (bleu.oleander): perhaps the key to commitment is to not viewing it in future terms
Eos Amaterasu: hmm
Bleu (bleu.oleander): one day at a time
Zen (zen.arado): a daily commitment
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Catrinamonblue: commitment is just the day to day going on of life :)
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): fun to view future terms though? to dream and imagine?
Pema Pera: "this day is the first day of the rest of your life"
Bleu (bleu.oleander): true
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so breaking down commitment into manageable chunks
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Longest journey, single step, etc
Wol Euler: I fell out of the 99 Days a fortnight ago, when I spent three days away from home (and more significantly away from the internet) in the Black Forest, and I haven't gathered the strength to get back on it yet
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bite size
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice way to drop out Wol :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hope you'll follow breadcrumbs back ;-)
druth Vlodovic: hop back on, I only count the days I managed it
Wol Euler: it was fun, sure :) attending Carnival with little kids
druth Vlodovic: the lack of commitment is what has kept me here
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): !
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Pema Pera: :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: I'm commited to non commitment
Eos Amaterasu: commitment to be fully present to openness, with playing with that commitment in PaB sessions
Eos Amaterasu: peer pressure basket of kittens approach
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
Catrinamonblue: ;-)
druth Vlodovic: defining things makes them hard and limited, so defining a method of openness and discovery would seem self-defeating
Eos Amaterasu: maybe "hosting" that is better way
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): indeed... I would say my commitment is to showing up when I am here
Pema Pera: responding to things to get to know them . . . .
druth Vlodovic: which I suppose brings us to the topic portion of the show, an interesting method of guidance that seems useful
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I was enjoying our love discussion this morning... could go on and on with that one... but would love to hear from everyone
druth Vlodovic: I was going to suggest it
druth Vlodovic: though technically it's louis' idea
Catrinamonblue: (had my big day in the sun last meeting so will listen to others this time) :)
Louis Onyett: No sense of ownershop...
druth Vlodovic: "ownership" for two :)
Zen (zen.arado): good topic
druth Vlodovic: since we got tangled between ownership and love
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) well Louis will just have to check in more to make sure we're on track
Zen (zen.arado): it's inddefinable
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Louis is on a roll ... :)
Louis Onyett: I just follow Bleu. She's awesome!
Pema Pera: it's talkaboutable :)
Zen (zen.arado): yep
Wol Euler smiles.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we're all Bleu's minions
Bleu (bleu.oleander): stop it!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hahah
Zen (zen.arado): everybody thinks they know what it is
Zen (zen.arado): popular conceptions
Zen (zen.arado): or misconceptions
Pema Pera: Bleu and the Bleuettes
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hehe
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe
Eos Amaterasu: people go through temporary periods of thinking they know what it is
Pema Pera: !
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well there is what we are 'sold' but then deeper the personal qualities and experiences
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods nods Eos
Pema Pera: yes, I've gone through that quite a few times, Eos :)
Wol Euler looks at the Canadians. Does "bleuette" mean Blueberry?
Eos Amaterasu: oui
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "gadzooks I've figured it out"
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ... you mean I don't know what it is?
Wol Euler: yay :) we need Bleuettte uniforms
Eos Amaterasu: Mr Jones....
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'd like to explore Love's relationship to Being
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Bleuettte uniforms hehe
Eos Amaterasu: complicated?
Wol Euler gets serious and nods to eliza
Catrinamonblue: I like that Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: You serious?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Wol Euler smiles and shrugs
Agatha Macbeth blows in Wol's ear
Bleu (bleu.oleander): I like that too, taking Wol's lead and getting serious :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I am, though admittedly when I typed that a kind of deep silence fell inside at core and I couldn't figure out a way to "talkabout" it
Eos Amaterasu: unrequitable
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the core
Wol Euler: there is a strong precedent for considering it, most religions have a lot to say about love as the basis of ... well, nearly everything
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so is it "talkaboutable"?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): true
Eos Amaterasu: seems to be singable
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) grins
Zen (zen.arado): more experiential perhaps
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
Pema Pera: :-)
Zen (zen.arado): but I would say that
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "what the world needs now..."
Bleu (bleu.oleander): the Bleuette chorus
Eos Amaterasu: the beatles have a lot to say on being and love
Zen (zen.arado): All you need is ...
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): ... is all you need
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) so what would be our follow up topic?
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) ponders whether, based on his life-experience and the 'story' around that, he'd sacrifice either freedom and/or power to have love.
Zen (zen.arado): hate?
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wow Bruce
Bleu (bleu.oleander): freedom .... nice followup
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): (It's been a life-long question and conundrum for moi)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): power hmmmm
Zen (zen.arado): love's illusions
Zen (zen.arado): I recall
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): power could mean "mastery" -- as in Josh Bell playing the violin.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah one of my favs
Pema Pera: giving up a sense of self-as-center would be easier perhaps, letting go of the coat hook and the whole coat comes down :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) tweaks his agreement knob.
Zen (zen.arado): yep
druth Vlodovic: attachment, involvement,
Eos Amaterasu looks up for his coat hook
druth Vlodovic: emotional dependence on self-as-centre :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Being centered
Bleu (bleu.oleander): coat hooks and other love stories
Pema Pera: (^_^)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): someone should write that book hehe
Zen (zen.arado): seeems related to vulnerability ..romantic love anyway
Catrinamonblue: :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, self on the line
Zen (zen.arado): cos it can be painful
Catrinamonblue: and wonderful
Wol Euler: no self = empty centre
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): but more painful than the longing for it?
Wol Euler: "my life as a doughnut"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or torus
Pema Pera: perhaps one theme, connected with the 5th anniversary, could be to revisit the notions of "stopping and dropping" and how that relates to everything else: love, power, anything
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm....doughnuts
Bleu (bleu.oleander): chocolate donuts
Bleu (bleu.oleander): full circle haha
Pema Pera: :)
Wol Euler: oh dear, I seem to have distracted us again
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) ponders freedom and dropping....
Pema Pera: emptiness in the middle
Bleu (bleu.oleander) slaps Wol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ((((kitten basket))))
Catrinamonblue: love in dropping
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) hits Woly on head with coathanger...
Raffila Millgrove just noticed that Bruce said Freedom couple times.. what about that?
Raffila Millgrove: as second theme.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yepper, Bruce's typist may have had some influence there...
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good Raff
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Freedom would be very interesting, agree... and I wonder about 'stopping and dropping" as the theme of SL retreat
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) hits his typist on head with coat hanger...
Bleu (bleu.oleander): fine line between love and violence
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): along with some sort of exploration in tandem that non retreat attenders might engage in
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Pema... would you be willing to write out a version of the exploration you did in the first RL retreat??
Pema Pera: which one(s)?
Eos Amaterasu: stop n' drop, move in drop
Pema Pera: :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): a dropping exploration... I remember when you all returned there was some discussion of it
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): an easy outline... dropping in stages
Pema Pera: drop stopping, drop stopping, and be . . . @Eos
Eos Amaterasu: dancing as being
Pema Pera: ah, that one, yes, that was pretty long, Eliza
Pema Pera: and rather detailed
Pema Pera: dropping successive layers of what we identify with
Pema Pera: starting with personal history, going on to personality, then to humanity, than to being alive, then to time :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) yep... that's the one, lol
Bleu (bleu.oleander): can love prevail through the stages of dropping?
druth Vlodovic: I understood that to be the foundation of the whole thing
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): oh, lovely question Bleu
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
Zen (zen.arado): love is the natural core perhaps
Eos Amaterasu: great question, yes: [08:49] Bleu (bleu.oleander): can love prevail through the stages of dropping?
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully :)
Pema Pera: perhaps true love can't come out until the hiding veils are dropped
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Pema Pera: there is such wonderful Sufi poetry about love and surrender
Zen (zen.arado): protective barriers are dropped
Catrinamonblue: we are vlnerable to ourselves
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so open and warm :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): how to know the 'near enemies" of concepts of dropping
Eos Amaterasu: ignorance and ignoring is a real close 'near enemy'?
Louis Onyett: Must go all. Enjoy and nice meeting you/seeing you again.
Wol Euler: bye louis, nice meeting you
Zen (zen.arado): bye Louis
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Louis, thanks for contributions today
Bleu (bleu.oleander): take care Louis ... ty for your topics
Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): byebye... I must go too..have a nice day all :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye bye Xiri, see you soon
Pema Pera: bye Louis!
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Xiri
Zen (zen.arado): me too
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and Zen too :)
Zen (zen.arado): byee
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Zen :)
Agatha Macbeth: Adios Xira
Wol Euler: bye xir, bye zen
Agatha Macbeth: Bye zen
Pema Pera: bye Zen!
druth Vlodovic: did anyone talk about love during the vulnerability sessions?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): in ways and angles... not sure a direct discussion :)
Catrinamonblue: I think it was more talking about being open than about love itself
Catrinamonblue: though I think the two are linked
Bleu (bleu.oleander): please excuse me ... must slip out ... take care all and very nice to see you Pema :)
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Pema Pera: same here, Bleu!
Catrinamonblue: Bye Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Bleu
Pema Pera: please take good care of all the Bleuettes!
Wol Euler smiles.
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hehe yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... and when we discover new kinds of life will we be prepared to be open and warm to them? :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Bleu :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (can't help but try to wrap up the session with a bow) hah
Pema Pera: :-)
Wol Euler: I hope that we will treat interstellar foreign life better than our colonializing ancestors treated humans on other continents
Pema Pera: and that they will treat us better :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or they will treat us ^.^ maybe already treating us well and nonintrusively? :)
Wol Euler smiles.
druth Vlodovic: each person and set of people act on their own natures and beliefs
Pema Pera: they're likely to be far more advanced, or far less : ants or gods
Wol Euler nods.
druth Vlodovic: judegementalism tends to limit imagination :)
Pema Pera: unlikely to be just about at our level
Bruce (bruce.mowbray) ponders the survival advantages to being an ant.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Pema Pera: in our colonizing we dealt with a difference of only a few thousand years of development . . . .
druth Vlodovic: maybe they won't recognize that we are intelligent,and more than we recognize intelligence in ants
Pema Pera: yes, who knows what we are treated by :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Pema Pera: or tricked by
druth Vlodovic: I was watching a video where it seemed obvious that individual ants were choosing what to do, and problem solving
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Time for me to return to writing a genetic algorithm. May all be loving and free.
druth Vlodovic: have fun Bruce
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Bruce :)
Catrinamonblue: Bye Bruce and Bruce's typist
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye for now. THANKS, ELiza!
Agatha Macbeth: Love well Brucie
Pema Pera: bye everybody!
Wol Euler: bye bruce, bye pema, bye eos
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and Bye Pema and Eos :)
Wol Euler: take care, enjoy the day
Agatha Macbeth: /me waves
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :::sees doors and windows and ceiling flying open::::
Catrinamonblue: waves to all those leaving :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): glad you made it inworld Pema
Eos Amaterasu: bye bruce, pema, eliza, cat, raffi, ags, druth
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): appreciate that
Agatha Macbeth: It's your viewer Liz...
Eos Amaterasu: ~~
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Aggers
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): 24 February 2013
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: sim lag again
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Pem, come to see us more often
After session..
Wol Euler: actually, I haven't seen the NDR leave the tracks in several weeks now
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): no the sim seems to be working smoothly
Wol Euler nods.
Pema Pera: will try, Wol!
Wol Euler: /me smiles.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): best wishes Pema
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well that was fun
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Catrinamonblue: immensely
Catrinamonblue: did we decide a second topic? I got lost in the conversation
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Freedom
Agatha Macbeth: Freedom I think
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but we didn't flesh it out too much
Catrinamonblue: ah good :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) just realizes she let Pema off the hook with the dropping topic...grrr
Agatha Macbeth ponders fleshy freedom
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) giggles
druth Vlodovic: dropping creates freedom
Wol Euler: heheh
Catrinamonblue: :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... you were right on pointe Druth, with your comment re foundations I think
druth Vlodovic: you can connect anything if you decide to :)
Agatha Macbeth: Unencumbered
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, especially in openness
Raffila Millgrove: i enabled shadows today. i never tried that before. but things are blinking kinda weird for me.. i think it cause me to kind of lose the thread a bit here.
Raffila Millgrove: please excuse me now.. hugs to all.
Wol Euler: bye raffi, take care
druth Vlodovic: hugs raffila
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Raffila, cute dress
Catrinamonblue: Bye Raffila
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Raff, enjoy
Raffila Millgrove: i think i take off the shadows except for photos. kind of neat to watch it tho.
Raffila Millgrove: bye all
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I noticed shadows in a photo the other day and thought the person's viewer must be much better than mine
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): didn't realize it was an activatable feature
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so what is the freedom line to give Bleu for the board?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): 1) love as relates to Being, and 2) freedom...._____
Catrinamonblue: as relates to dropping?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we certainly could approach it
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): as explorations rather than concepts hopefully, at least a few times
Catrinamonblue: if anyone has something better for sure go with it I was just throwing that out there
Agatha Macbeth: /me catches it
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I like it very much
Catrinamonblue: smiles
Wol Euler: nope, I fear that you have given us a topic :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah
Catrinamonblue: ^.^
druth Vlodovic: translating the topics into explorations sound interesting
druth Vlodovic: how would wedothat?
Agatha Macbeth: Ahhh ve haf a topic mein gott (falls over)
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) well I am thinking that we have a habit as a group, which is wonderful, of freewheeling around... but group explorations are sort of like group meditations
druth Vlodovic: it might be interesting to do a sort of 99 days thing with people's explorations using the topics as inspiration
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes!
Wol Euler nods.
Catrinamonblue: love it
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we are only on day 40 now so not sure about changing horses midstream... but maybe some of us could engage that way?
Catrinamonblue: I might as I'm having a harder time finding gratitudes without repeating myself all the time
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Wol Euler: must they be different?
Wol Euler: drop that :)
Catrinamonblue: well I hate to sound like a broken record
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I try to entertain myself
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so try to drop what others may read into what I write
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): not easy actually
Catrinamonblue: yes I should but have to be careful of what I say
druth Vlodovic: when the flush of youth wears off the story slows and less is said
Eliza (eliza.madrigal)hopes to have some flush of youth even in advanced ages!
Wol Euler: indeed
druth Vlodovic: I've done a couple "yep,did it,'nuff said" entries
druth Vlodovic: a reason to start over on a regular basis :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): for me, if someone just checks in it is more than enough... can remember a few times of just leaving a mark of some sort to say I was there
druth Vlodovic: new stories
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but I do love the idea of explorations together
Catrinamonblue: I'm going to give it some thought, see how the sessions go and maybe do both alternating days maybe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Pema, leading up to a retreat... perhaps that first one, outlined an exploration of APAPB for people to work with outside of sessions
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and that's how I really connected with the group, because I was feeling I didn't quite 'get it' until i did it
Wol Euler: I'll re-read that, thank you for the reminder
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): do you have it?
Catrinamonblue: is that in the wiki?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it was emails
Wol Euler: oh, then I might not
Catrinamonblue: ah
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but we may have talked about it in sessions?
[Aha... realizes Adams is a genius and has likely done this (runs for Chronicles)....
Aha again, yes Adams mentions the email as May 15, 100 days before the 1st PaB retreat in August 09 ]
Aha again, yes Adams mentions the email as May 15, 100 days before the 1st PaB retreat in August 09 ]
AND - On this long page are wonderful summaries along the lines of the exploration I was asking for!
Thanks Adams!!
Wol Euler: (it should be in the wiki ... IMHO)
druth Vlodovic: APAPB?
Wol Euler: I think I have read something like that from him
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) I've tried to do that over the years.... move things from email to wiki when appropriate
Wol Euler: Appreciating the Presence of Appearance as a Presentation by Being
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation of Being... but in this case we could do something similar with dropping
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ty Wol :)
Wol Euler: :) ty eliza
Agatha Macbeth: No, I don't know what it means either...
Eliza (eliza.madrigal)smiles
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that's why it is an exploration
Catrinamonblue: Eliza was it emails for sure or through the google group? If the group it might still be there
Wol Euler: it means "take the is-ness of what Is, as being significant"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): true! it was the google group
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Wol Euler tries to keep a straight face.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Catrinamonblue: it might still be there will have to look
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it would have been about 100 days before the first pab retreat
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): which was in april, I think of 2009?
Wol Euler: that sounds right
Wol Euler: close to exactly a year after founding
Agatha Macbeth: Before my time then
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I have to go...
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care, and thank you
Wol Euler: ♥
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks so much... this was a stimulating session - can feel creative tentacles going in a million directions
Catrinamonblue: Bye Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Love the dress btw
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): maybe calling to friends in other realms...haha
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks.. Gatsby prep
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) bfn
Wol Euler: ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: C ya ♥
Wol Euler: bye!
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