2013.03.15 07:00 - A little more on Self Esteem

The Guardian for this meeting was Catrinamonblue Resident. The comments are by Catrinamonblue Resident.

It was a quiet morning for the first little while then company came :)

--BELL--

Sun's new design :)

Bleu Oleander: hi Cat
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bleu :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: lovely outfit, is that with Sun's design ?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: its fun to use others designs
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: hi peoples °͜°
Bleu Oleander: here's the artist now
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: hehe
Bleu Oleander: love it sunji
szavanna Resident: it evolved in Bleujis hands
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Bleu Oleander: it's great
szavanna Resident: hi Cat °͜°
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Sun :)
szavanna Resident: looking beautiful today :)
Bleu Oleander: hehe
szavanna Resident: and Bleu too ;p
Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm a little back and forth with some work today:)
szavanna Resident: np °͜°
szavanna Resident: how is everything :)
Bleu Oleander: great here
szavanna Resident: oh that is what you gave me! the clothes yay
Bleu Oleander: u both?
Bleu Oleander: a backup outfit
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Catrinamonblue Resident: busy here :)
Bleu Oleander: to put in the gift box
szavanna Resident: ;))
--BELL--
szavanna Resident: np as long as you come say hello Cat from time to time
szavanna Resident: its quiet hmm where are all the people
Bleu Oleander: not sure
Bleu Oleander: sleepy friday
szavanna Resident: yes they are tired
Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm keeping an eye as I write checks :) it has been very quiet in PaB this morn )

Self Esteem and memory

szavanna Resident: I was reading your mails Bleuji about self and self esteem
szavanna Resident: but had no time to read the Tolle link
szavanna Resident: and others that were mentioned
szavanna Resident: very interesting chat
Bleu Oleander: yes a lot to read and listen to
Bleu Oleander: yes interesting conversation
szavanna Resident: hmm interesting when you said - without memory there is no self
Bleu Oleander: I really liked the Evan Thompson interview
szavanna Resident: I kept pondering this all day
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: we met with someone who studies memory
szavanna Resident: kk
Bleu Oleander: who suggested that
Bleu Oleander: after working with people who lost their long term memory
Bleu Oleander: lost their sense of self too
szavanna Resident: did they forget who they were?
Bleu Oleander: which really says we are our experiences
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: so they had short term memory
szavanna Resident: they could function properly still?
Bleu Oleander: yes similar to alzheimers (sp?)
Bleu Oleander: yes could still function
szavanna Resident: its very scary when that happens
Bleu Oleander: the body functions amazingly well all by itself
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: but they can't be part of society
Bleu Oleander: right
szavanna Resident: reminds me of that film
Bleu Oleander: need a lot of help
szavanna Resident: I think its called Awakenings
Bleu Oleander: oh yes
szavanna Resident: they did wake up for a short time
szavanna Resident: it must have felt like a miracle
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: I think there are so many ways people explain the self
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: but often all those are concepts
Bleu Oleander: well yes, that's how we think
szavanna Resident: I prefer using experiences that I have had
szavanna Resident: rather then something too sophisticated ...
Bleu Oleander: the self as a collection of experiences
Bleu Oleander: I agree with that
szavanna Resident: yes may be I would call it that
szavanna Resident: I asked Zenji - if self doesn't exist
szavanna Resident: who are we talking to
szavanna Resident: hmm
Bleu Oleander: hehe
szavanna Resident: scratches head
szavanna Resident: ;D
szavanna Resident: Zenji is so clever
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: so in looking for the self ... we are the hunter and the hunted ... a dualistic problem
szavanna Resident: I think if he says that - there must be something in that
szavanna Resident: hmm yes
szavanna Resident: its not really a problem °͜°
Bleu Oleander: so the self looking for the self ha!
szavanna Resident: hehe
szavanna Resident imagines
Catrinamonblue Resident: I have come to realize that a lot of this is still over my head in understanding
Bleu Oleander: problem to think about ... who's doing the thinking hehe
szavanna Resident: yes me too
szavanna Resident: but I think when I talk about it
Catrinamonblue Resident: that I see myself as self :)
szavanna Resident: it can help a bit
Bleu Oleander: you and many others including us
szavanna Resident: but its fascinating
Bleu Oleander: very
szavanna Resident: to wonder about this
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
szavanna Resident: I think a deeper understanding can come from having talks like this
szavanna Resident: and with time ...something gets more clear
Bleu Oleander: I think so
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
szavanna Resident: like Zenji was saying about him as a 18 year old
szavanna Resident: how different he was
szavanna Resident: and he much he changed
szavanna Resident: all these years
szavanna Resident: something has "deepened"
Bleu Oleander: I feel we change day to day ... accumulates over the years
szavanna Resident: lol that was not English
Catrinamonblue Resident: thinks of me at 18 and now.... wow different creature altogether :)
szavanna Resident: yes isn't it so
szavanna Resident: totally different
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: I say a video of myself in my 20's .... wow hardly recognized myself and what I was saying lol
Catrinamonblue Resident: brb
szavanna Resident: when I was 18 - I did have this interest in African cultures already ....
szavanna Resident: lol what did you say Bleuji
Bleu Oleander: I will never repeat it lol
szavanna Resident: ;p
Bleu Oleander: :P
szavanna Resident: and so there is some sort of a continuum
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: we do remember - that we were so different
Bleu Oleander: layering and editing
szavanna Resident: if that was not me ....how would I remember
szavanna Resident: that I was different
Bleu Oleander: we keep what we want to keep
szavanna Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: one of my favorite recent books on the self is by Bruce Hood
Bleu Oleander: "the self illusion"
szavanna Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: makes note
Bleu Oleander: he also talks about online selves in the book
Catrinamonblue Resident: back :)
Bleu Oleander: very interesting
szavanna Resident: wb °͜°
Catrinamonblue Resident: sounds interesting Bleu
szavanna Resident: online selves are a brand new thing
szavanna Resident: I wonder when we can get back to the Sakura talks
Bleu Oleander: different context for a new version of self
Bleu Oleander: yes, me too
szavanna Resident: how is Kiremimi
Bleu Oleander: not sure if Sakura talks are continuing?
szavanna Resident: i haven't seen her on for so long
szavanna Resident: brb one moment
Bleu Oleander: I think she is in Japan atm
szavanna Resident: back
Catrinamonblue Resident: wb :)
szavanna Resident: not sure if they continue - may be I ask Liz - she might know
szavanna Resident: ty :)
Bleu Oleander: yes

The decor team at work

szavanna Resident: hmm what is next on the list of things to do
szavanna Resident: for the decor team
szavanna Resident: which is us ;p
Bleu Oleander: we need to decorate the pavilion and the party space
Bleu Oleander: hehe :P
szavanna Resident: ok
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: and we are preparing for Art of Being
Bleu Oleander: Art of Being will be installed starting monday
szavanna Resident: we worked on flowers with APh
szavanna Resident: http://artofbeingproject.co.za/2013/...e-prim-finder/
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: using the site more now °͜°
Bleu Oleander: nice
szavanna Resident: brb
szavanna Resident: I better go - RL is busy
szavanna Resident: but IM me if I can help with something
szavanna Resident: ;))
szavanna Resident: new clothes !
szavanna Resident: ;o)
Bleu Oleander: ok take care Sunji
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye sun :0
Bleu Oleander: ty for your beautiful design
szavanna Resident: take care both :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: ty for making the textures
szavanna Resident: ;)) see you both soon
Bleu Oleander: hugs
Bleu Oleander: I should go too .... rl is getting busy :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I should get go too :) Busy here at work today :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: snap :)
Bleu Oleander: snap
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Catrinamonblue Resident: Have a great day Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: u 2 hugs