The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado.

Anxiety:

Zen Arado: Hi cat :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: morning Zen :)
Zen Arado: how are you?
Catrinamonblue Resident: so so today, dealing with high anxiety not sure why so just pushing through
Zen Arado: oh..must be hard for you
Catrinamonblue Resident: today is, most days are not so bad
Zen Arado: anxiety about the future?
Zen Arado: I suppose that's what most anxiety is
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes I suppose it is,
Zen Arado: I tend to be anxiety prone
Catrinamonblue Resident: for me I think it is about control
Catrinamonblue Resident: mmm a lot of people are :)
Zen Arado: control yes
Zen Arado: if there is some big event coming up I tend to worry about it
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Zen Arado: even though it is a waste of time
Zen Arado: should just plan as much as possible and then leave it
Zen Arado: nothing ever happens the way you plan anyway
Catrinamonblue Resident: hard to tell the body to stop reacting though :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: and yes plans never survive the first engagement :)
Zen Arado: it's the mind wants to keep churning I find
Zen Arado: brb
Catrinamonblue Resident: k
Zen Arado: bk
Catrinamonblue Resident: wb :)
Zen Arado: I have a community support worker here to see me
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: np
Zen Arado: so I told her to sit and watch and chat
Catrinamonblue Resident: ah ok :)
Zen Arado: at the same time
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I have been realizing lately that I have lived with a rather high amount of anxiety most of my life.
Zen Arado: do you ever just sit and explore the feeling?
Catrinamonblue Resident: not really :)
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Catrinamonblue Resident: it's rather uncomfortable to begin with
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen, Cat :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bleu
Zen Arado: I'm investigating charnel house practice too
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Catrinamonblue Resident: charnel house?
Bleu Oleander: hi Storm :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi storm
Storm Nordwind: Good morning/afternoon friends :)
Zen Arado: like Buddhists sit beside dead bodies and think about death
Zen Arado: Hi Storm

Bleu Oleander: Sunji :)
szavanna Resident: hi °͜°
Storm Nordwind: Hi Sun
Zen Arado: Hi Sunji :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Sun
szavanna Resident: hi Cat, Stormy, Bleuji and Zenji °͜°

Art of Being:

Bleu Oleander: Sun, Zen, Cat are you working on your Art of Being artworks?
szavanna Resident: yes mom ;o)
Bleu Oleander: Storm just installed a great one!
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Catrinamonblue Resident: I wasn't able to get at it, too much other stuff going on
Bleu Oleander: art mom
Zen Arado: haven't even started
szavanna Resident: yes I checked it out!
Zen Arado: :(
szavanna Resident: its fantastic °͜°
Zen Arado: explaining SL to a support worker in RL
Storm Nordwind: There is still plenty of time. Well. four days anyway
Zen Arado: just came to see me
Bleu Oleander: now Zen?
Zen Arado: so I'm even slower than usual
Zen Arado: yes
Bleu Oleander waves hi to rl person
Zen Arado: can't miss my guardian slot !
szavanna Resident waves from africa :)
szavanna Resident: hehe Zenji ❤
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) Zen
Storm Nordwind waves from the Colorado Rocky Mountains :)
Zen Arado: Carly is her name
Bleu Oleander: hi Carly
szavanna Resident: hi Carly °͜°
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hello Carly :) from snowy Canada
szavanna Resident: I am the white zulu here °͜°
Zen Arado: Carly says hello to everyone
Bleu Oleander: colorful zulu
szavanna Resident: waves :)
szavanna Resident: hehe colorful is better °͜°
Bleu Oleander: :)

Treasure Hunt:

Bleu Oleander: hey are you all making progress on Storm's treasure hunt?
Bleu Oleander: I need help with clue #8 if you are ...
szavanna Resident: hmm was having a bit of a break for a few days
Catrinamonblue Resident: haven't even started :)
Zen Arado: haven't looked at that either :(
Storm Nordwind: Looks like a total of 20 clues have been found so far. But no winners yet
Zen Arado: pushed with time with graduate course atm
Bleu Oleander: willing to pay big L$'s ... hehehe
szavanna Resident: Adams gave me homework °͜°
Storm Nordwind chuckles
szavanna Resident: lol
Zen Arado: have three assignments close together
Bleu Oleander: can you tell who found the clues Storm?
Storm Nordwind: I could, but no I haven't recorded that
Storm Nordwind: I only record the names of the winners
Bleu Oleander: none so far :)
Storm Nordwind: Bleu is going on one of my wild goose chases ;)
szavanna Resident: hey Lorah welcome °͜°
szavanna Resident: take your time to rez
Bleu Oleander: getting dizzy!
Bleu Oleander: hi Lorah
szavanna Resident: you always make this hunt so exciting to do hmm I must do it °͜°
Zen Arado: Hi Lorah
Zen Arado: have you been here before Lorah?
Bleu Oleander: then you could help me Sunji
szavanna Resident: Lorah is my friend I thought I would show her pab
Bleu Oleander: welcome Lorah
lohrahlahnah Resident: hi everybody :)
szavanna Resident: I will explain the basics to her in IM
szavanna Resident: °͜°
lohrahlahnah Resident: thanks for welcoming me
Zen Arado: so she is happy that converstaion is recorded and put on Wiki?
szavanna Resident: I haven't told her yet ;o)
szavanna Resident: ok I told her °͜°
szavanna Resident: giggles
Zen Arado: but she needs to say?
lohrahlahnah Resident: it's my first time
Bleu Oleander: hi Xiri :)
szavanna Resident: she will listen mostly
Zen Arado: are you ok with that Lorah?
Zen Arado: Hi Xiri:)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone! :-)
szavanna Resident: since its her first time
szavanna Resident: Xirji °͜°
lohrahlahnah Resident: yes, I'm ok with it
Zen Arado: ah great !
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Xiri
lohrahlahnah Resident: hi xirana
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Lorah!
Storm Nordwind waves
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: what's the topic?
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Zen Arado: so someone will spell it out for me
Zen Arado: :)
Storm Nordwind: APAAPB
szavanna Resident: sigh

APAAPB:

Xirana Oximoxi: Appreciate the presence of apparence as a presentation of/by Being" (that's what I read on the board :-)
szavanna Resident: °͜° ty Xiri
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe ..you're welcome:)
Xirana Oximoxi: long title for the topic
Bleu Oleander: what is meant by "of/by" Being? ... starting at the end :)
Zen Arado: it has never made sense to me
szavanna Resident: giggles
Zen Arado: my support worker doesn't get it either ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: is it related to the way we chose our avatars to appear?
Zen Arado: she has just gone
Zen Arado: think it's deeper than that
Zen Arado: seeing that everything is just appearance?
Xirana Oximoxi: as a representaion of ourselves
Zen Arado: just phantom beings
Bleu Oleander: "of" seems more objective ... "by" seems intentional
Xirana Oximoxi: our being
Zen Arado: maybe representation is all we are
Catrinamonblue Resident: being appreciative of our presence and appearance by Being?
Zen Arado: a small part of nature expressing itself through a human form?
Zen Arado: why must we appreciate it?
szavanna Resident: yes thats how I think too
Zen Arado: not saying we shouldn't
Zen Arado: everything is appreciated
szavanna Resident: because we are cool
Zen Arado: whatever appreciate means
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Zen Arado: heh yes
szavanna Resident: see °͜°
Storm Nordwind: Just to remind you... a blast from the past... the first time that the phrase was heard in PaB was in April 2008 http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2008/04/2008.04.08_07%3a00_-_Appearance and I have a pic from later that year http://i.imgur.com/eyvPa6l.jpg
Zen Arado: Hi Druth :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Druth :)
druth Vlodovic: hi guys :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Bleu Oleander: hiya Druth
druth Vlodovic: big crowd
Xirana Oximoxi: hello druth
Zen Arado: appreciate that Bleu
druth Vlodovic: what's the topic?
szavanna Resident: hi Druthy °͜°
Zen Arado: means being thankful?
szavanna Resident: The Hall of Appearance
Xirana Oximoxi: thanks yoy Storm :) does the Hall of appearence still exist?
szavanna Resident: °͜° can we see it still?
Xirana Oximoxi: :) Sunji:)
szavanna Resident: Xirji °͜°
Storm Nordwind: No. It's in my inventory now :)
Zen Arado: APAAPB
Xirana Oximoxi: haha
szavanna Resident: nooo it must reappear
lohrahlahnah Resident: my av is beautiful because I express in it the beauty I feel inside me and that rules my behaviour and feelings
druth Vlodovic: rez it!
Zen Arado: (had to scroll up)
druth Vlodovic: or is it complicated :/
Storm Nordwind has forgotten how
Zen Arado: nice Laura
Zen Arado: wonder if I am beautiful inside
Zen Arado: some bad bits there too
druth Vlodovic: Creating the Appearance of Being
szavanna Resident: so appearance is determined by something mysterious within
lohrahlahnah Resident: one expresses hi's beauty in different ways.
szavanna Resident: smiles at Zenji's words
Zen Arado: maybe appearance is all there is
Zen Arado: why split it in two?
lohrahlahnah Resident: no
Bleu Oleander: "all there is" pretty amazing though
Zen Arado: oh yes
druth Vlodovic: everything is beautiful in some way, even some things in art galleries are attractive in dim lighting, so you're a shoe in Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: hahaha

Beauty:

lohrahlahnah Resident: you communicate to people. there is beauty in it
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Zen Arado: beauty is only a matter of opinion maybe
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Zen Arado: feel that more and more in art
Zen Arado: the current craze
druth Vlodovic: so changing your opinion changes beauty?
Storm Nordwind: Would beauty even exist without human consciousness?
Zen Arado: the emperor's new clothes
Zen Arado: probably not
Zen Arado: it's a judgement
Bleu Oleander: we had a great talk last night ... speaking of beauty
Bleu Oleander: http://www.asu.edu/clas/hst/www/jwst...t13hstjwst.pdf
druth Vlodovic: lol, I'm trying to change my opinion to see beauty where before i have only known it to exist
Zen Arado: oh?
Bleu Oleander: for later :)
druth Vlodovic: no luck yet, but we progress
Zen Arado: aesthetics
Bleu Oleander: about the James Webb telescope

Bleu Oleander: some amazing photos
szavanna Resident: saves PDF
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...me too:)
Xirana Oximoxi: in Plato's book..The Fest...each participant explais a different way to understand beauty...
druth Vlodovic: Sharing the Beauty of Silence
Zen Arado: go on Xiri?
Zen Arado: my av won't stop typing today
Xirana Oximoxi: so... the different way to see it is not new....
Zen Arado: the ancient Greeks thought of everthing
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... and in my view...the fact the it was writen as a dialog was a way to show that the concepts are opne...not only one answer
Xirana Oximoxi: open
Zen Arado: yes...Socratic dialogue
Zen Arado: but Plato believed there was a realm of forms?
Zen Arado: that a perfect version of things in life existed there
Bleu Oleander: might have been a little off there
Zen Arado: so all we see are imperfect reflections
Storm Nordwind: Did he believe it, or just postulate it?
Zen Arado: dimly remember this
Xirana Oximoxi: well...yes...that's it:)..
Xirana Oximoxi: I think he postulated
Bleu Oleander: yes
Zen Arado: would have to look it up again
Xirana Oximoxi: and at the same time postulated it to the reader
Zen Arado: so he didn't like art because that was a copy of a copy
druth Vlodovic: people have to think many weird and wrong things to think anything that is true
Zen Arado: does that thought linger in Western consciousness?
Zen Arado: some idea of perfection?
Zen Arado: I think it does
druth Vlodovic: I'm afraid it does, maybe this is why we have such awful stuff in art galleries, a reaction against the concept
druth Vlodovic: a better conjecture than my standard :)
Zen Arado: or we look for perfection in life?
Zen Arado: don't accept it as is?

Perfection:

Catrinamonblue Resident: but what is perfection?
druth Vlodovic: maybe it is better to look at life and see perfection
druth Vlodovic: or maybe just see "is"
Bleu Oleander: I think it's human nature to have some idea of something more, better
druth Vlodovic: and appreciate it
Catrinamonblue Resident: whose definition are we going by?
Zen Arado: but don't we aim at perfection?
druth Vlodovic: is a garden better or worse than a wild field?
Zen Arado: good question
druth Vlodovic: is one more perfect than the other?
Bleu Oleander: false distinction perhaps?
Catrinamonblue Resident: like Druth's just see "is" :)
Zen Arado: well why not be satisfied with how we are and not bother trying to improve?
Bleu Oleander: how are we?
Xirana Oximoxi: there are also modess and preferences about it....
Zen Arado: imperfect ;)
Catrinamonblue Resident: improvement does not imply perfection as far as I can tell
Bleu Oleander: by what standard?
druth Vlodovic: are we better after we've improved?
Zen Arado: heh
Catrinamonblue Resident: to me it's just growth
Zen Arado: but perfection is the goal?
Catrinamonblue Resident: we grow and change and learn every day
Bleu Oleander: "new and improved"
druth Vlodovic: I see people who are greatly educated and studied in all sorts of thing
szavanna Resident: we are perfect an any given time
szavanna Resident: I think
Catrinamonblue Resident: why do we need a goal?
druth Vlodovic: and I envy them their energy and drive
szavanna Resident: improvement is just for fun :)
druth Vlodovic: but in the end they act remarkably human
Zen Arado: fun is a goal too?
Bleu Oleander: fun happens
szavanna Resident: no life is fun
Xirana Oximoxi: :)) yes Zen :)
szavanna Resident: automatically
Zen Arado: must try to have fun
szavanna Resident: hehe yes
szavanna Resident: bit like shit lol
szavanna Resident: ;p
Bleu Oleander: :P
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: shit happens,and roses grow from it :)
szavanna Resident: see °͜°
druth Vlodovic: then a ow eats the roses and we get more shit! yayyyy!
Xirana Oximoxi: :)))
szavanna Resident: loll
Zen Arado: humans aren't aimless creatures though
Storm Nordwind: beauty dies and maggots grow in it too
Zen Arado: we are goal making and seeking
druth Vlodovic: and bluebottle flies grow from maggots
Zen Arado: aren't we?
Bleu Oleander: then starts all over again
druth Vlodovic: and we dye bottles from them
szavanna Resident: ops sorry for bringing up such a smelly topic ;p
Bleu Oleander: then we come to PaB to talk about it :)
druth Vlodovic: and grow more roses from what the maggots leave behind
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: to smell our shit :)
szavanna Resident: hehe
Zen Arado: reminds me of poem I read on Sunday
Bleu Oleander: smell-o-vision
szavanna Resident: arraches smell hud
szavanna Resident: attaches
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Bleu Oleander: that's coming I read
Zen Arado: not sure I want that
szavanna Resident: ;D

Death of a Naturalist:

All year the flax-dam festered in the heart Of the townland;

green and heavy headed Flax had rotted there, weighted down by huge sods.

Daily it sweltered in the punishing sun.

Bubbles gargled delicately, bluebottles Wove a strong gauze of sound around the smell.

There were dragon-flies, spotted butterflies, But best of all was the warm thick slobber

Of frogspawn that grew like clotted water

In the shade of the banks. Here, every spring

I would fill jampotfuls of the jellied Specks to range on window-sills at home,

On shelves at school, and wait and watch until

The fattening dots burst into nimble

- Swimming tadpoles. Miss Walls would tell us how

The daddy frog was called a bullfrog

And how he croaked and how the mammy frog

Laid hundreds of little eggs and this was

Frogspawn. You could tell the weather by frogs too

For they were yellow in the sun and brown In rain. Then one hot day when fields were rank

With cowdung in the grass the angry frogs

Invaded the flax-dam; I ducked through hedges

To a coarse croaking that I had not heard

Before. The air was thick with a bass chorus.

Right down the dam gross-bellied frogs were cocked

On sods; their loose necks pulsed like sails. Some hopped:

The slap and plop were obscene threats. Some sat

Poised like mud grenades, their blunt heads farting.

I sickened, turned, and ran. The great slime kings

Were gathered there for vengeance and I knew That if I dipped my hand the spawn would clutch it.

Seamus Heaney

druth Vlodovic: Smelling the Appreciation of Sharing
Xirana Oximoxi: for later too :) ...diffucult for me :)
Zen Arado: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Zen Arado: poetic imagery difficult in another language
Bleu Oleander: so is all this a presentation by or of Being?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...must read very slowly and look for some words and expressions
Zen Arado: but being is all one?
Zen Arado: presenting itslef
Zen Arado: in bad typing
szavanna Resident: ;o)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Intentionality:

Bleu Oleander: so Being is intentional?
Zen Arado: no but we can read it like that
Bleu Oleander: and presenting to itself ... so for it's self?
Zen Arado: it just is itself
Storm Nordwind: Who knows?
szavanna Resident: giggles
Bleu Oleander: so very self centered?
Zen Arado: and we are part of that presentation
Storm Nordwind: It is the poisoned arrow
Bleu Oleander: poisoned?
Zen Arado: we step out of it and try to analyse
Zen Arado: don't qwe?
Zen Arado: we
Bleu Oleander: we can't step out
Zen Arado: no, but we try
Bleu Oleander: that's the problem
Zen Arado: yes
Bleu Oleander: can't get there from here
Zen Arado: or we can do it temporarily?
druth Vlodovic: making being intentional,is that a good thing,or negative?
druth Vlodovic: I suspect both in degrees,
Storm Nordwind: Bleu: The poisoned arrow of the story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_arrow
Zen Arado: who knows?
druth Vlodovic: another gift of the ancient Greeks who took time to think "all things in moderation"
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Zen Arado: eudaemonia
Zen Arado: virtue ethics
Bleu Oleander: ty STorm
Zen Arado: they were wrong about a lot of things too
druth Vlodovic: :)
Bleu Oleander: as we probably are
Zen Arado: oh yes
Zen Arado: if there is any 'right'
Xirana Oximoxi: there were different point of view between them too
druth Vlodovic: you have to be willing to be wrong many times if you wish to be very right a few times
Zen Arado: how easily I fall into polarities
druth Vlodovic: courage
szavanna Resident: I love the story of the arrow
Zen Arado: I talk myself around in corcles
Zen Arado: circles
Zen Arado: maybe that's all there is
Catrinamonblue Resident: gtg great conversation guys thank you :)
Storm Nordwind: Bye for now!
Zen Arado: ty Cat
szavanna Resident:
szavanna Resident: take care Cat ♥
Zen Arado: byee
szavanna Resident: I think its better have them together
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Cat:)
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Bleu Oleander is considering the 14 unanswerable questions ...
szavanna Resident: 14?
szavanna Resident: referring to the hunt? ;p
Bleu Oleander: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourte...able_questions
szavanna Resident: ah hehe

Suffering:

Storm Nordwind: First remove suffering. Then answer these questions. :)
Bleu Oleander: can't remove suffering though
Zen Arado: it's part of life
Bleu Oleander: and we are making some progress on the 14 questions
szavanna Resident: remove as much as possible
Zen Arado: can learn not to add to it though
Xirana Oximoxi: well....I must go now...if I stay this Pab session will take at least until tomorrow to read all:)) thanks a lot for the conversation and the links and the poem and and and ... :-)
Zen Arado: yeh
Xirana Oximoxi: take care all! :-)
szavanna Resident: see you soon Xiri °͜°
Bleu Oleander: bye Xiri
Zen Arado: byee Xiri
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye :)
Storm Nordwind: Sure you can remove suffering. Doesn't mean you remove all pain.
szavanna Resident: yes that makes lots of sense Zenji - not to add to it
Zen Arado: yeh depends what you mean by suffering
Bleu Oleander: I think we can work on suffering and the 14 questions
szavanna Resident: smiles at Bleuji
Bleu Oleander: isn't pain suffering?

Bleu Oleander: physical and mental suffering?
Zen Arado: pain + resistance = suffering
Storm Nordwind: Not necessarily. I experience pain, but I do not suffer.
szavanna Resident: ponders
szavanna Resident: can you give an example Stormy
Bleu Oleander: so you learn to accept physical pain and have no mental suffering?
szavanna Resident: what about mental pain
Storm Nordwind: Or emotional
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: ( sorry bell °͜°
Bleu Oleander: right
Storm Nordwind: The bell has learned to be tolerant! ;)
szavanna Resident: can one have all these and not suffer °͜°
Zen Arado: stay with the sensation and don't add mentally to it
Bleu Oleander: so accepting it all eliminates suffering?
szavanna Resident: what about emotional pain?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Zen Arado: mental machinations like 'this shouldn't be happening to me,. 'this is awful' magnify pain
szavanna Resident: can we separate it like with physical pain?
Storm Nordwind: It is possible, I have found, yes
Bleu Oleander: for some, maybe not possible though
Zen Arado: takes practice
szavanna Resident: I do notice when I am in the process of feeling sorry for myself °͜°
Storm Nordwind: I would never say not possible. It is a learned activity for sure
Bleu Oleander: a luxury to practice
szavanna Resident: I wish there was a school for this
szavanna Resident: hmm :)
Storm Nordwind: Can freedom from suffering be seen as a luxury?
Bleu Oleander: a luxury to even go to school for some
lohrahlahnah Resident: may be suffering the anguish of denial?
szavanna Resident: yes Lorah it can be hmm
Bleu Oleander: not the freedom from suffering ... the practice of trying to eliminate suffering is a luxury
Storm Nordwind: We can make it so, or we can make it a necessity. It depends what our society sees clearly as its priorities.
szavanna Resident: doesn't one learn about this anyway - during a lifetime?
Zen Arado: some never learn
Zen Arado: it isn't that difficult either
szavanna Resident: we live the same life ...
szavanna Resident: in a way
Bleu Oleander: some are in too much pain and suffering to learn
Storm Nordwind: It seems to me to be a compassionate thing to provide the possibilities for learning to those that might want it
Zen Arado: just sit with the emotions, feelings themselves and not the thoughts
szavanna Resident: I know Bleuji
Zen Arado: yeh maybe Bleu
Zen Arado: it's like people have to where they can be receptive
szavanna Resident: I just think ...that ultimately we are all the same ...
Zen Arado: not that the teaching is difficult to practice
Zen Arado: same but different manifestations
Storm Nordwind: Nice word!
szavanna Resident: I think it depends on how open and free one can be from their religion/culture
Zen Arado: wish I had known about how to practice with emotions when I was 13
Zen Arado: but I wasn't ready to accept that then
Bleu Oleander: one's way of dealing with suffering might not resonate with someone else's though
Zen Arado: that too Bleu
Bleu Oleander: we all think "our" way is the best way
Zen Arado: I don't
Bleu Oleander: want to sell our way to others
szavanna Resident: my way or the highway °͜°
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: there are probably many ways
Zen Arado: I think we have different teachings that resonate with us
Bleu Oleander: yes
Storm Nordwind: Yes Bleu. And so teachers have provided many ways, out of their compassion no doubt
Bleu Oleander: yes
Zen Arado: but that's all we can give to others as well
szavanna Resident: Bleu is a great teacher :)
Zen Arado: the way we see it
Bleu Oleander: Sunji :)
Zen Arado: and what has helped us
szavanna Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: I see no way of moving beyond being a student :)
lohrahlahnah Resident: I tend to listen to reason, when it's there. My way is not necessarily the best way. I observe experience before decisions.
Zen Arado: heh lifelong learning
Bleu Oleander: the more I know the more I realize I don't know
Zen Arado: yep
Bleu Oleander: rabbit hole
Zen Arado: if I had a brain I'd be dangerous
Bleu Oleander: perhaps that's why many avoid it
Storm Nordwind: The more I know, the more I realize how much I don't need to know.
Bleu Oleander: knowing is great though
szavanna Resident: Yes Lorah I think most people try to be reasonable
Storm Nordwind: It can be a distraction
Bleu Oleander: not for me
Bleu Oleander: curiosity is fun
szavanna Resident: :)
Zen Arado: knowing stops openness and further learning
Bleu Oleander: takes me places I love to go
szavanna Resident: not knowing is fun :)
Storm Nordwind: And curiosity can be a distraction too. I'm good at it!
Zen Arado: as in 'beginner's mind'
Bleu Oleander: curiosity gives me happiness
Storm Nordwind: Reliably so?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Zen Arado: it killed the cat
Zen Arado: :)
Storm Nordwind: Then teach others to be that way :)
Bleu Oleander: sorry for the cat
Bleu Oleander: as I said ... I'm not a teacher I'm a student
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Zen Arado: my parents used to say that
szavanna Resident: Bleuji is a great student ..but then who am I hehe

Bleu Oleander: the universe teaches and inspires me
szavanna Resident: a student's student
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Storm Nordwind: I sympathize Bleu. But my teacher will not allow me to rest there, lest my perfect happiness dies with me! ;)
Bleu Oleander: I can't control others happiness though
Bleu Oleander: and my happiness is not perfect
szavanna Resident: Lorah °͜°
Bleu Oleander: it just works for me
Bleu Oleander: everyone has to find their own way
Zen Arado: but we aren't islands unto ourselves
Bleu Oleander: right
Zen Arado: we are being influenced and influencing all the time
Bleu Oleander: but we are all on our own journey on some level
Bleu Oleander: with others
Storm Nordwind: No. It is possible to offer guidance. Others may not want to be quided. Or it may not be the way for them. But it seems cruel to me to insist everyone has to find their own way.
Zen Arado: unless we are hermits
szavanna Resident: yes Stormy - I sooo wanted to guide people in my opencafe
Bleu Oleander: hmmm yes perhaps offer personal insights
szavanna Resident: I told them all about open source software ;p
Zen Arado: we copy other's behaviour too not just what they say
Bleu Oleander: but can't force others to go my way
szavanna Resident: but they took the tshirt and left
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Storm Nordwind chuckles with Sun
szavanna Resident: ;p
Zen Arado: :)
Bleu Oleander: hehe
szavanna Resident: then I realised after many years
Bleu Oleander: lead a horse to water ... can't make him drink?
szavanna Resident: that I can't guide unless they want to be guided
szavanna Resident: yes Bleuji °͜°
Storm Nordwind: some horses may prefer whisky ;)
szavanna Resident: hehehe
Zen Arado: people sometimes accept what you say but you don't know it
Bleu Oleander: or chocolate
Storm Nordwind: true Zen
Zen Arado: they tell you something you told them a year ago
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Zen Arado: they think they thought it up themselves
Zen Arado: but nothing new under the sun
Storm Nordwind: And I've no attachment to seeing so-called effects or results in others.
Zen Arado: so many cliches I know ;)
szavanna Resident: under the sun?
Bleu Oleander: that's a good thing Zen
Zen Arado: it's a saying from Ecclesiastes Sun
Zen Arado: oh I see what you mean
szavanna Resident: ;p
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: 'all is vanity'
Storm Nordwind nods to druth
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Zen Arado: well I would like to be able to claim that
Zen Arado: but my ego still likes credit
Zen Arado: :)
Bleu Oleander: you, Zen :)
Zen Arado: but at least I see it
Storm Nordwind: Will you have time to create something that I can credit in Art as Being? ;)
Bleu Oleander: :))
Zen Arado: not sure
Bleu Oleander: nice segue
Zen Arado: only have a vague idea
Bleu Oleander: like a hammer hehe
Zen Arado: :)
Storm Nordwind: Storm "Master of Subtlety" Nordwind
Zen Arado: for hammering ideas home
Zen Arado: :)
Bleu Oleander: hehe
szavanna Resident: ;o)
Bleu Oleander: creator of difficult clues
Zen Arado: against hard unyeilding brains
Bleu Oleander: especially #8
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Zen Arado: I better go get dinner
Bleu Oleander: take care Zen
szavanna Resident: ( changing topic )
Zen Arado: byee all ty for coming
szavanna Resident: where could I find this flower
szavanna Resident: in the middle of the fountain
szavanna Resident: hugs Zenji °͜°
Storm Nordwind: Fael created it, IIRC, though Wol may have a copy.
szavanna Resident: ok I will ask her
szavanna Resident: Fael?
Bleu Oleander: does that mean you will do an art piece Sunji?
Storm Nordwind: Fael Illya. Someone who did a lot of work here once in PaB
szavanna Resident: oh ok
szavanna Resident: i love it its very pretty :)
Bleu Oleander: yes
szavanna Resident: I will have to go because Bleuji told me to work on my build
Bleu Oleander: I must get to work ... will be back later though to work on #8 :)
Storm Nordwind: yes yes!
szavanna Resident: ;p
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Bleu Oleander: :P
szavanna Resident: byebyee all - ty Lorah for coming °͜°
szavanna Resident: hope you enjoyed :)
szavanna Resident: hehe
Bleu Oleander: may have to resort to that hehe
Bleu Oleander: bye for now ... take care all
szavanna Resident: see you all soon
szavanna Resident: today is class :)
Bleu Oleander: nice to meet you Lorah
szavanna Resident: noonslt
Bleu Oleander: oh yes at noon
szavanna Resident: waves °͜°
szavanna Resident: IM me anytime for help
Bleu Oleander: will c u then Sunji
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: haha
Bleu Oleander: hi and bye Aph