2013.05.20 13:00 - Open Either End

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

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    --BELL--


    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Rosatta :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you
    (Rosatta says she can't see herself and asks how she is seen to me)
    Eliza Madrigal: I see you dressed in white, with long pony tails :)
    Rosatta Resident: Ok : )
    Rosatta Resident: Are these cherry trees or apple trees?
    Eliza Madrigal: sakura - cherry trees
    Rosatta Resident: : )

    Eliza Madrigal: in Japan they are very symbolic....
    Eliza Madrigal: line poetry sessions would take place under the sakura, also many festivals and courting rituals
    Eliza Madrigal: in those circles "mu en" (I think is the spelling) personal identity was left outside and people entered the same sort of field together
    Eliza Madrigal: reminds me of the Rumi "Out beyond ideas of right doing or wrong doing.... there is a field, I'll meet you there..."
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: apologies if I'm rambling - a kind of free flowing energy feeling today

    --BELL--

    Rosatta Resident: It sounds like the sukura symbolism is precious to you : )
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Rosatta Resident: I heard the bell, but I didn't see the red ring
    Eliza Madrigal: the first bell isn't like the others
    Eliza Madrigal: so it rings once, but doesn't really begin a pause
    Rosatta Resident: It starts the session?
    Eliza Madrigal: people are generally arriving and settling , yes
    Rosatta Resident: ok : )

    Eliza Madrigal: :) So this is the session with the longer pauses .... beginning at 1:10, then 4:25....
    Eliza Madrigal: I remember that last time you felt some hesitation
    Rosatta Resident: You mean lack of patience lol
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: apprehension... is what I was thinking... understandable apprehension
    Rosatta Resident: It'll be the same today. I will do other things during the break.
    Eliza Madrigal: sure - would love to hear about the way you like to work with it
    Rosatta Resident: I'm not sure what you mean
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, well after the pause if you'd like to talk about other things you chose to do - I'm inspired by your creativity
    Eliza Madrigal: not meaning to pry though
    Rosatta Resident: I didn't feel like you were prying, sweet lady. I just wasn't sure what you were asking
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Wol :) Hi Aggers :)
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Eliza Madrigal: You two are in time for the first pause soon...
    Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I
    Rosatta Resident: Hi, Wol and Agatha : )
    Wol Euler: I'm late
    Agatha Macbeth: For a very important date?
    Wol Euler: yes! here!
    Eliza Madrigal: right on time
    Rosatta Resident: It is good you came
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: no time to say hello - goodbye - I'm late I'm late I'm late

    Agatha Macbeth tickles Liz's feet
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehhee

    Eliza Madrigal: So nearly at pause..... have a little quote....
    Eliza Madrigal: (trouble rezzing bell so quote will have to do for now) ::::ding::::
    Eliza Madrigal:

    Love is the answer, and you know that for sure;
    Love is a flower, you've got to let it grow
    .

    -John Lennon

    Rosatta Resident giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: Mind games
    Rosatta Resident: (about the bell, not the quote)

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: ty friends :)
    Wol Euler: _/|\_
    Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
    szavanna Resident: _/\_
    szavanna Resident: hi all :)
    Wol Euler: hello sun
    Agatha Macbeth: Evenin Sun
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Sza :)
    szavanna Resident: ♥
    szavanna Resident: beautiful here
    Agatha Macbeth: It is too
    Eliza Madrigal: gathered beneath the sakura

    Eliza Madrigal: How is everyone feeling?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sakura-ish
    Wol Euler: sadly not sakura-ish, feeling stressed about work tomorrow and where teh weekend went
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth hugs Wollie
    szavanna Resident: its a bit busy time for me
    Eliza Madrigal: ((((Wol))))
    szavanna Resident: sorry to be late
    Wol Euler: ty <3
    Agatha Macbeth: We all were except Rosie
    szavanna Resident: Woly ❤
    Eliza Madrigal: no worries - just nice to be together for a while... unwind the tensions a little hopefully
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully

    Rosatta Resident: I'm mixed. I watched a YouTube thing about one of the elf bit parts in The Lord of the Rings that made him a huge fan club and that gave me the giggles
    Rosatta Resident: And then I have a moron for a therapist but I can't seem to find anyone better
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Wol Euler sighs.
    Agatha Macbeth ponders moron therapy
    Eliza Madrigal: great therapists are rare... but sometimes good practice just to make the space to hear oneself?
    Rosatta Resident: Being low income options are limited
    Rosatta Resident: Aggers - ROFL!!! I love it. Ty : )
    Agatha Macbeth: YW (hug)

    Rosatta Resident: He keeps saying arrogant, hurtful things to me
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Rosatta Resident: And he keeps accusing me of things that aren't true of me
    Rosatta Resident: I take my daughter with me so he doesn't get too rude
    szavanna Resident: oh noo
    szavanna Resident: that doesnt sound good
    Rosatta Resident: I have to go to show I'm trying ~ sigh ~
    Eliza Madrigal: that may be another issue, worthy of addressing
    szavanna Resident: ❤
    Agatha Macbeth: That's some therapist

    Rosatta Resident: He had never even heard of Complex PTSD when I first met hiim and then has refused to do anything to learn
    Rosatta Resident: Just like the therapist before him
    Eliza Madrigal: perhaps a female therapist would be better... not to be sexist but maybe worth a shot
    Rosatta Resident: I am beginning to think therapy is a racket
    Agatha Macbeth: We are talking qualified people here I take it?
    Rosatta Resident: My previous one was female - I was with her for 5 1/2 years before I had to get out before she did some serious damamge
    Agatha Macbeth: OMG
    Rosatta Resident: She was experiementing on me without learning what she was dealing with
    Rosatta Resident: It took me that long to figure it out

    Eliza Madrigal: we're heading into the next pause.... will consider these things...
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: (aha, bell rezzed!)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Wol Euler: and just in time
    Agatha Macbeth: Visible dong
    Wol Euler coughs.

    Eliza Madrigal: So just the bell... no quote this time :)) <3 here we go....

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: *
    Wol Euler: _/|\_
    szavanna Resident: _/\_
    Eliza Madrigal: I stopped therapy after a while and let myself process the work - that seemed necessary - the fruit seemed to show up on a delay, if that makes sense
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you had to wait for the right season
    Rosatta Resident: Eliza, I have Complex PTSD. This has only been a diagnosis for 10 years or less. I've never gotten proper treatment
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and work with some of the things I'd learned there
    Eliza Madrigal: everyone is different, of course
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank goodness
    Wol Euler nods.

    Rosatta Resident: Up until now my therapists have gotten frustrated and blamed me that therapy didnt' work - they made things worse instead of better
    szavanna Resident: I tried different counsellors also - they can very helpful
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like they're doing a great job
    szavanna Resident: if there is a connection
    Rosatta Resident: Meanwhile I was leaving a cult, escaping a psychopathic father and mother who had become a secondary psychopath and then a sociopthic ex
    Wol Euler listens.
    szavanna Resident: 
    szavanna Resident: sigh ♥
    Rosatta Resident: It's just been too many things all together so I don't have any energy left for therpists who are too lazy or uncaring to learn what is needed
    Rosatta Resident: Anyway, that' smy rant for the day
    Agatha Macbeth: Well ranted Rosie ♥
    Rosatta Resident: Thanky you for your patience with me
    Rosatta Resident: : )
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Rosatta Resident: I try to keep my insanity out of SL and especially PaB
    szavanna Resident: ;o)

    Eliza Madrigal: seems a good idea not to depend on therapy very much.... to keep it in perspective and be sort of auto-didactic
    Eliza Madrigal: which from what you've shared about your creative work, you are


    Agatha Macbeth: Plenty of insanity here to be going on with...

    Eliza Madrigal: (I am not sure if my lines are showing up in order - storms and lag)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: I see them fine Liz
    szavanna Resident: ;D aga
    Rosatta Resident: Yes, Eliza, you are making sense : )
    szavanna Resident: yes me too Liz
    Wol Euler: probably reversed, to me
    Wol Euler: but makes sense either way
    Agatha Macbeth: Open either end
    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Eliza Madrigal: :) ready for another pause .... (even if not... here it comes...) ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: 

    In the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. - Paul McCartney

    Wol Euler smiles.
    szavanna Resident: :)

    --BELL--

    Agatha Macbeth: (Hello E)
    Wol Euler: _/|\_
    Eliza Madrigal: _/ \_ ty
    Wol Euler: hello eos
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Eos :)

    Wol Euler: I got sidetracked from meditation onto LSL scripting as Eos arrived :)
    Eos Amaterasu: hello gathered beings :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Wol Euler: thinking how to improve that bell by having it say "Silent meditation" and a countdown, so people can see what is happening when they arrive
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Rosatta is allowed to wander during pauses.... not the rest of us :P
    Eliza Madrigal: (kidding)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Wol Euler nods.

    Agatha Macbeth: Good thinking Wollie
    Eliza Madrigal: that's an interesting idea Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: An interactive logger


    Wol Euler: hello korel
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Eos Amaterasu: PaB abiding
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay hi K
    szavanna Resident: hi Kori :)
    szavanna Resident: and Eos :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Korel :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi K!
    Eliza Madrigal: I think the word "meditation" generally may be something some are wary of at first

    Eliza Madrigal smiles at Aggers tag :))

            "Love is all you need"


    szavanna Resident loves it too
    Agatha Macbeth: ♥♥♥
    szavanna Resident: ♥
    Agatha Macbeth: It's raining heartz
    Eos Amaterasu: kilohearts
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Halleluyah

    Eliza Madrigal: before you arrived, Eos and Kori, we'd talked a little about therapy and its usefulness or not... permission to hear yourself seems to me what therapy is best for
    szavanna Resident: lol
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    szavanna Resident: I love that Liz
    Wol Euler nods.
    szavanna Resident: permission to hear yourself
    Eliza Madrigal: *yummy* feeling hearts

    Agatha Macbeth: Listen to what you're telling yourself maybe?

    Korel Laloix: I will have to think about that idea... but it seems a bit true.
    Wol Euler: that is true, eliza, or was true for me as well
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    szavanna Resident: °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: nice distinction Aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Picky me eh

    Korel Laloix: I think the opposite may also be true. though.
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    Korel Laloix: permission to ignore the bad stuff you tell yourself.
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, right
    Eliza Madrigal: or to say "you know... that isn't so useful anymore..."
    Korel Laloix: That part was big for me early on.

    szavanna Resident: I wish we learned these things at school or something hmm

    Eos Amaterasu: chewing your own cud of one taste whether happy sad
    Korel Laloix: But the permission to hear myself came later I think.
    Agatha Macbeth: Schools are for learning?
    szavanna Resident: yaya
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    szavanna Resident: you learn there no?
    szavanna Resident: ;D
    Agatha Macbeth: Not much no
    Rosatta Resident: Had someone come to the door - reading back to catch up
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    Rosatta Resident: Oh, Korel! So glad to see you.
    Rosatta Resident: There were PaB emails asking about your welfare
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right, tornado missed you then
    Eliza Madrigal: we're close to the next pause :) afterward we can linger a while and continue... and definitely good to see you Korel :)
    Eliza Madrigal: will just ring the bell this time
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: (and we come back after the 90 seconds)


    Rosatta Resident: Are we back?
    Agatha Macbeth: (not yet)


    --BELL--

    Wol Euler: _/|\_
    Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
    szavanna Resident: _/\_
    Korel Laloix: My cousins down by Shawnee were hit pretty hard, property damage and the like. But this thing is still going.
    Eos Amaterasu: _/ \_
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope they will be alright
    Eliza Madrigal: here there are terrible storms - wonder if the same system... longest lightning strike I've ever heard a moment ago
    Agatha Macbeth: erk
    Korel Laloix: I am over by Alva right now so missed most of it.
    Eos Amaterasu: yikes
    Wol Euler: wow
    Eliza Madrigal: drove through some storms today - was like driving under water
    Eliza Madrigal: well, hah, was driving under water but you know what I mean :P
    Korel Laloix: But it's Oklahoma... so not out of the normal for us.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: submerged :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Are you getting more storms over there, or has it always been like this?
    Eliza Madrigal: Korel but these seem more intense?
    Korel Laloix: We get a couple of bad spells a year.
    Korel Laloix: Not really I don't think.
    Korel Laloix: This is nothing compared to what hit Joplin a couple years back.
    Korel Laloix: There have been no Cat V ones this year I don't think.
    Korel Laloix: But need to look that up.
    Eliza Madrigal: I was there for one... hm, 20 years ago... was so odd to see the way the news tracks tornadoes "going down 10th street now..."
    Wol Euler: O.O

    Korel Laloix: I have been through a couple of near misses... an odd rush for sure.
    Eos Amaterasu: knock knock knocking on your home front door
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: Ouch

    Eos Amaterasu: tornado alley seems like a target range
    Korel Laloix: I can take tornadoes.. but the earthquakes freak me out... smiles
    Korel Laloix: So i guess it is what you are used to.
    Eos Amaterasu: Oklahoma quakes
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

    Wol Euler: people who live in California probably say the reverse :)
    Korel Laloix: Exactly.
    Korel Laloix: We had a bad quate last year...
    Wol Euler: the risk you know is always less risky than the one you don't
    Korel Laloix: Broke some buildings but nothing serious.
    Rosatta Resident: I was a Californian, and yes, I felt safer with earth quakes lol

    Eos Amaterasu: are quakes unusual there?
    Eos Amaterasu: (in OK)
    Korel Laloix: Ones you can feel are very rare.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Korel Laloix: But we get them all the time.. just at like the 1 level I think.


    (Rosatta jumps up)
    Rosatta Resident: That wasn't supposed to happen
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: :) a spontaneous leap
    szavanna Resident: ;o)


    Rosatta Resident: Dear ones, I'm going to go to a concert. Thank you, each of you
    Agatha Macbeth: Quantum leap perhaps
    szavanna Resident: Leapy Rosie
    Rosatta Resident: For being here and for your patience and compassion
    szavanna Resident: one giant leap
    Wol Euler: bye rosatta, enjoy!
    Rosatta Resident: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: have a lovely time Rosatta
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao rosa
    Rosatta Resident: Ty : )
    szavanna Resident: hugs Liz ty so much
    Agatha Macbeth: BFN
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Eliza Madrigal: Hugs
    szavanna Resident: byebyee all
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao all

    Eliza Madrigal: bye Sunshine.... thanks for being here
    Wol Euler: bye eos, bye sun, enjoy the evening
    szavanna Resident: being called to a live show
    Eliza Madrigal: and Eos too.... good that you could stop by
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Agatha Macbeth: As opposed to a dead one?
    szavanna Resident: hope your connection gets better Liz
    szavanna Resident: lol Aga
    szavanna Resident: Jana Kyomoon
    Eliza Madrigal: it is okay... just a little laggy
    szavanna Resident: ;D
    Wol Euler: oh, I know her, she's good
    szavanna Resident: see you soon pablings
    szavanna Resident: ;))
    Wol Euler: have fun, sun
    szavanna Resident: IM me for tp anytime
    Agatha Macbeth: Dance well Sunny
    Eliza Madrigal: hugs hugs

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    Korel Laloix: What was that?.. A concert or the like?
    Wol Euler: yep, concert in SL
    Eliza Madrigal: IM Sun if you'd like to go
    Eliza Madrigal: not sure if Rosie's is the same
    Wol Euler: probably mixing
    Wol Euler: as opposed to playing
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Wol Euler: as I remember it, her music is pretty droney and loopy
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice eyes Liz, are they new?
    Korel Laloix: I am so lagged I could proably not even get it.
    Eliza Madrigal: but nice for sort of trancing into
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes you look grey to me K
    Agatha Macbeth: (except for your head oddly)
    Korel Laloix: Well, that is my fashion statement this week it seems... smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Agatha - not new, no... a gift but maybe seem new with this avie :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I like the idea of having new eyes to try on though

    Agatha Macbeth: They really suit you
    Eliza Madrigal: ^.^ thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: YW
    Eliza Madrigal zooms herself
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It's a bit like 'what colour tie am I wearing'
    Eliza Madrigal laughs

    Eliza Madrigal: what rosatta shared today brings me to think of something I'm not sure whether to share...
    Agatha Macbeth listens
    Wol Euler: as you wish, eliza

    Eliza Madrigal: so last week... I was missing therapy actually... felt very 'stuck'
    Wol Euler: perhaps we should write a note to the Listener now: THIS SESSION IS OFF THE RECORD.
    Eliza Madrigal: and the reason I thought about talking to oneself is that I decided that's what I'd do...
    Eliza Madrigal: :) ty Wol....not sure yet but thank you for that thoughtfulness
    Wol Euler listens.

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: ...so I began talking to myself that day and somehow "abandonment" came up

    Eliza Madrigal: (pauses)

    Eliza Madrigal: that's the kind of thing I would talk about in therapy before... the way I didn't have my father growing up, and the way my meme died when I was too young and I felt lost, or the way my young mom was not really able to connect with me so that felt abandoning...
    Eliza Madrigal: and then I thought about my spiritual life and the way that I've often 'felt' that.. this deep longing....
    Wol Euler nods.
    Korel Laloix: Those feelings run very deep.
    Eliza Madrigal: and it seemed really clear that this was an "open either end" thing... that I sort of felt through my whole life that just being on the earth was like being abandoned
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0

    Eliza Madrigal: and it hit me like a "huh" (to sound like Wol for a moment)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: not like "gadzooks" but a little "huh"....
    Eliza Madrigal: but since then I've felt quite liberated about it... still the longing but like it is more open
    Eliza Madrigal: and nobody's 'fault"
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: just something to see more clearly, if that makes sense
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: It does
    Korel Laloix: Very much so.
    Wol Euler: wow, eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: some things we wrestle with our whole lives then there comes a moment... maybe when it loosens up
    Wol Euler nods.

    Agatha Macbeth: Ping

    Korel Laloix: There are turning points for sure.

    Agatha Macbeth: I think getting older helps

    Wol Euler: we sometimes carry around things locked up because they are too big to be spoken about, but when they *do* get spoken about they turn out to be actually much smaller

    Eliza Madrigal nods.... all...
    Eliza Madrigal: and it goes away and comes back - perhaps like forgiveness, feeling one has forgiven someone but then finds themselves suddenly struck with anger and pain
    Eliza Madrigal: is that how it seems for you Kori?
    Wol Euler nods.

    Korel Laloix: I have had a similar inner path Eliza.. just on a different schedule... and I went through those phases as well.
    Korel Laloix: I had to come to grips with being abandoned when I was 11.
    Korel Laloix: And it was very difficult on so many levels.. that I just buried it.
    Korel Laloix: And it came back with a very bad urgency in my late teens/early twenties.
    Korel Laloix: I still have anger.
    Korel Laloix: Distrust.

    Agatha Macbeth: Made you angry?
    Korel Laloix: Suspicion.....
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, nods... at certain times of life perhaps we reach for someone and they aren't there


    Korel Laloix: Abandonment seems to raise all the negative emotions very well.
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    Korel Laloix: And I am not sure this is what you meant.
    Korel Laloix: But you get attached to therapy.
    Korel Laloix: And when it is not there.
    Korel Laloix: you resurect part of the abandoned feeling.

    Eliza Madrigal: well I felt a little silly talking to myself, but it felt like therapy and prayer and ritual and pab and very open and playful and loving....
    Wol Euler nods and smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Heh
    Korel Laloix: I have to admit I have used PaB as free therapy from time to time... smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: a space that I didn't realize was there all along
    Wol Euler: every one of us has, Korel :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes

    Korel Laloix: But another part of abandonment for me is the hatefull voice in the back of my head that accuses me of abandoning the ones I should care about.
    Eliza Madrigal: in some ways much more powerful than therapy... not to be looking for answers necessarily... hearing, being heard
    Korel Laloix: That is another part that hits me.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nods
    Eliza Madrigal: the other side of the coin... can be a kind of terror
    Korel Laloix: I had to move out from Grandmas.. not choice.. but I feel very bad about that in some ways.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: but you haven't left her
    Korel Laloix: No I have not.. but that feeling is there.
    Eliza Madrigal nods

    --BELL--

    Wol Euler: feelings aren't necessarily about objective facts (as they appear to others)
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed
    Korel Laloix: Hard feelings to sort out.... and they last.
    Korel Laloix: You can't abandon feelings of abandonment.
    Wol Euler: hehe true
    Eliza Madrigal: but what energy when they open
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, nods
    Korel Laloix: The other bad part for me was what I did to put a bandaid on those feelings.
    Eliza Madrigal: one can surely, though, find beauty in what is learned - you've said before these difficulties spur you on to want to do good things in your life
    Korel Laloix: Sleeping with someone just to have someone.. anyone close.
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, nods :(
    Korel Laloix: Yes... I do derive a positive energy from these feelings.
    Korel Laloix: But I just wish I was more internally motivated, not externally.

    Eliza Madrigal: we have a kind of screwy society - not really touchy huggy enough imo .. so maybe everyone is longing all the time, in a way
    Wol Euler: definitely true
    Agatha Macbeth: I think that's probably true
    Korel Laloix: I have a hug phobia, so not me... lol.frowns.
    Wol Euler: we all ache for contact, but don't dare to ask or offer
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Wol Euler: well, except you :) hehehehehe
    Korel Laloix: But I know what you mean.
    Wol Euler: sorry
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: That must be awful

    Wol Euler: I've thought about doing the "Free Hugs" thing here in town on a weekend
    Eliza Madrigal: well it prob also reaches into other ways of letting one another into our space... cooking and serving meals, receiving help

    Agatha Macbeth: ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Free hugs

    Eliza Madrigal: :) nice
    Wol Euler: not because everyone around me needs a hug (though they do) but because I so badly want to give them out

    Korel Laloix: For me, it is just a leftover fear from growing up.... and something I am working with my shrink about.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh Wollie
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ K
    Eliza Madrigal: not sure what the solution is... does seem to be some universal acknowledgement
    Eliza Madrigal: and need

    Eliza Madrigal: yet...hm
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: my son wore a cactus costume once a few years ago and stood in front of my daughter's school - the cactus sign said 'free hugs"
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Korel Laloix smiles.
    Korel Laloix: That is funny.
    Agatha Macbeth: Did they get the point?
    Eliza Madrigal: yeah.... he got in trouble wearing it to school though
    Korel Laloix: i will rememver that one for Haloween... better than what I have been going as for sure.
    Wol Euler: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Eliza Madrigal: sigh.... sunshine's right... must be ways to teach things like this in school....
    Eliza Madrigal: seeing the kid beneath the cactus ^.^
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe sunday school...

    Eliza Madrigal: i have to go...sigh....
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Eliza Madrigal: (anyone need things edited?)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I need to eat too - was going about an hour ago
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Wol Euler: thanks for a wonderful session, everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, goodness
    Wol Euler: hugs all around!
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Right, ty all
    Korel Laloix: Take care.

    Eliza Madrigal: I hope you feel better soon, pressure lifted re work, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Aggers, Kori
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Wol Euler: thanks <3
    Wol Euler: goodnight!
    Eliza Madrigal: hugs Hugs hugs
    Wol Euler: take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Hugs hugs hugs
    Eliza Madrigal: ::bow:::
    Agatha Macbeth: Be safe K
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Korel Laloix: Take care

    Wol Euler: stay away from teh tornadoes
    Korel Laloix: That is my intent... smiles
    Wol Euler: :)

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