2012.01.19 13:00 - Please your Self

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Qt Core: Hi Korel

--BELL--1300
Korel Laloix: Heya
Korel Laloix: What you been up to?
Qt Core: wandering and crashing against pricacy or payment info virtual walls ;-)
Wol Euler: hello korel, qt
Qt Core: hi Wol
Korel Laloix: Sounds like fun...
Korel Laloix smiles
Korel Laloix: heya
Korel Laloix: Any big topics for today?
Qt Core: you korel ? doing something nice ?
Korel Laloix: Doing some shopping for the boss.
Wol Euler: ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Korel Laloix: Buying theater tickets for me for Friday night.
Qt Core: Hi aga
Korel Laloix: Going to see Waiting for Lefty.
Wol Euler: oh, reminds me. How was the film?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Qt Core: hi Zon
Korel Laloix: lol... yummy... Very nice erotida in French.
Agatha Macbeth: Erotida?
Korel Laloix: OK... lets me be honest... it was porn....
Wol Euler grins.
Korel Laloix: Erotica
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good
Korel Laloix: Soft, French, mostly Lez, porn.... lol
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds even better :p
Wol Euler: what's not to like?
Korel Laloix: Well... watching with a woman that wore her work clothes on a date and took notes the entire time.... lol
Wol Euler: ah
Korel Laloix: Was a bit of an odd expereince for sure.
Qt Core: and she's not a movie critic i suppose...
Korel Laloix: Not that I know of... we did not talk a lot either.
Korel Laloix: I did not think of that possibility though.
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like more action than words :p
Wol Euler: sounds a bit odd actually, the more you say ...
Agatha Macbeth: More is less perhaps
Wol Euler smiles.
Qt Core: but in the end the only question is did you enjoyed it ?
Agatha Macbeth: Mm agreed

The SOPA debate...
Agatha Macbeth: Is Wikipedia back up yet?
Qt Core: yes, it already was 12 hours ago
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah good
Agatha Macbeth: Let's hope it did some good then
Qt Core: at least 2 senators retreated their support to those laws i heard
Wol Euler: heh, a comment on that: "The Wikipedia blackout presents a horrifying picture of a world with no information. So does the Fox News website, which is operating normally."
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I saw that :DDD
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: Nice
Agatha Macbeth: What exactly is this SOPA thing then?
Wol Euler: I heard that quite a few have changed their minds, perhaps enough to cancel it (for now)
--BELL--1315
Agatha Macbeth: Did Zon leave or did he crash?
Wol Euler: huh, didn't notice
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Qt Core: crashed or leaved in a couple min
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe all the talk about lesbians scared him off! :P
Korel Laloix: Sorry.. back in a bit
Wol Euler: k
Qt Core: first lines from the wiki for sopa: The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is a law (bill) of the United States proposed in 2011 to fight online trafficking in copyrighted intellectual property and counterfeit goods. Proposals include barring advertising networks and payment facilities from conducting business with allegedly infringing websites, barring search engines from linking to the sites, and requiring Internet service providers (ISP) to block access to the sites
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful out there K
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks QT
Wol Euler: the scary bit is that it makes site owners responsible for everything that is done on their site. If a commenter posts a link to illegal content - not the content itself, just a link to it - then you get sued and your site gets blacklisted
Agatha Macbeth: Seems a bit draconian
Wol Euler: of course
Wol Euler: what it's REALLY about is preventing us from creating and sharing, and getting us back into the 1970s model of passive consumers
Qt Core: the best thing is that the request for banning (teoreticcaly the offending page, in practice the whole website don't have to prove anything or have a judge ruling on it
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: ban WITHOUT trial, before trial
Agatha Macbeth: That sounds vaguely unconstitutional
Qt Core: the isp have 5 day to solve the issue and the offending part another five to get back online.... providing he prove his innocence
Wol Euler: right; but imagine putting Amazon offline for a week
Agatha Macbeth: At the end of the day it's probably down to money again
Wol Euler: by putting a link to your kid's drawing of Mickey Mouse in a book review
Wol Euler: of course it's about money :) they want ours
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Qt Core: basically you anonimously post something copyrighted on your "enemy" website comment area and then get that website banned ;-) hollywood majors are loving the idea
Wol Euler: and the role of government seems to be to help them take it
Agatha Macbeth: Dear me
Wol Euler <- slightly cynical about American politics
Agatha Macbeth: I wonder why?
Wol Euler: it has to with having eyes and memory
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Qt Core: and ears too ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll have to look on Twitter and see what Crap's been saying about it :P
Wol Euler: there's a brand new TED talk by Clay Shirky about this issue
Agatha Macbeth: Not THE Clay Shirky?
Wol Euler: he starts by talking about a little bakery/cake making shop near him
Wol Euler: yes, that one :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: which brought in a new machine that would let you "print" images in icing sugar, to put onto cakes
Agatha Macbeth: Nice
Qt Core: not copyrighted ones i hope!
Wol Euler: so you could make your own images and get them edibly printed

(Wol ♥♥♥ 'Edibly printed'!!!)
Agatha Macbeth: Yum
Wol Euler: that's the point, qt
Qt Core: ;-)
Wol Euler: after a few weeks, they put up a sign saying htat they would not take "amateur art" any more, but would only print images from their own books
Wol Euler: they were threatened with lawsuits under copyright protection
Qt Core: dreaming about facebook being taken out as one of its users use a photogram from a movie as its pic ;-)
Wol Euler: if your kid draws a picture of mickey mouse, and you print it on a cake, and let other kids look at that
Wol Euler: then you are publishing illegal copyright-violating work
Wol Euler: and THEY can be sued for it
Agatha Macbeth: *How* long has Walt Disney been dead?
Wol Euler: too long, I think.
Agatha Macbeth: Pretty crazy
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: but that's what it is about
Qt Core: copyright retention has been expanded in usa just for the walt disney portfolio, especially mickey mouse
Agatha Macbeth: The whole intellectual property thing is a first class minefield
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Qt Core: (if i remember it right from a few years ago)
Agatha Macbeth nods @ QT
Wol Euler: and the corporations are abusing the law courts to steal "fair use" away
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Agatha Macbeth: A SL friend had a big issue with fair use recently
--BELL--1330
Agatha Macbeth: Over a photo she used in her blog
Qt Core: should online money transfers to sl been shut down as i wear an unlicensed trek commbadge ?
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Qt Core: have to be*
Qt Core: it may go crazy like this
Agatha Macbeth: That's how ridiculous it is tho...
Wol Euler: that is why it has to be stopped
Agatha Macbeth: Well in that case I totally agree with stopping it
Qt Core: did Cameron got a copyright on the Avatar word ?
Wol Euler: I doubt whether you can copyright words :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'm surprised he can spell Avatar
Wol Euler: that is too stupid even for America
Agatha Macbeth: wb K
Wol Euler: else I will quickly copyright the word "several" and threaten to close every periodical, tv station, radio station and blog in the country
Agatha Macbeth nods
Wol Euler: see, when a person suggests that, it's obviuosly wrong and silly and inappropriate
Korel Laloix: Heya
Wol Euler: when a corporation suggests it, people nod thoughtfully
Wol Euler: wb korel
Agatha Macbeth: Ha, right
Qt Core: wb Korel
Korel Laloix: Darn RL.
Agatha Macbeth: And the logic of this is...?
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: that the rich get richer by squeezing the poor
Wol Euler: old news, I know
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: basically it's about attention.
Wol Euler: they want to stop us creating and sharing
Agatha Macbeth: Makes good reading for the log tho!
Wol Euler: and turn us back into the obedient captive consumers who bought what they saw on TV in the 70s
Korel Laloix: As I said yesterday though, what we have now is broken, and doing nothing is not right either.
Wol Euler: agreed
Agatha Macbeth: Is it that they want to stop us or just charge us for the privelage?
Qt Core: we should just go back to the movie theatres, maybe we should reopen driveins ?
Wol Euler: doing nothing is wrongest, because doing nothing lets them make it even worse
Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
Korel Laloix: There are lots of small artists that are not getting one cent for their works or even recognition.
Agatha Macbeth: The eternal lot of the artist eh?
Agatha Macbeth: Look at van Gogh
Wol Euler: hello cal
Qt Core: Hi Calvino
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Calvino
Agatha Macbeth: LTNS
Calvino Rabeni: Hi Wol .. Aggers and everyone :)
Korel Laloix: We still have drive in movies here.
Agatha Macbeth: We were just ranting...er...debating about SOPA
Calvino Rabeni: Thumbs up for those !
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, do they still have them?
Wol Euler smiles.
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, in rural areas
Agatha Macbeth: I know about drive in Macdonalds
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, good
Calvino Rabeni: And every corner has a drive-in espresso stand too
Korel Laloix: There are several accross the US still.
Agatha Macbeth: A staple institution of the 50s
Korel Laloix: http://www.driveinmovie.com/mainmenu.htm
Agatha Macbeth: ty
Korel Laloix: FInd you local and support... smiles
Wol Euler nods.
Calvino Rabeni: How could marriages start without drive-in's ?
Calvino Rabeni: ... have started that is
Agatha Macbeth: I doubt if we have one - we don't even have cinemas round here now
Korel Laloix: Good point, maybe I should cancel the theater tickets and go for teh drive in.
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah
Wol Euler grins.
Korel Laloix: Actually it has been a while since I went to one.
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun on the back seat
Wol Euler: I've never been, actually
Korel Laloix: Great fun with the rigth people.
Agatha Macbeth: I can believe it
Calvino Rabeni: The drive in is to the soda fountain as the lap dance area is to the strip club
Qt Core: it seems there are a few even here in italy, never thought there would be one
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Calvino Rabeni: It's a liminal zone between different social spheres
Qt Core: (even if the one i found is some 1000 km from here...
Wol Euler: hello eliza!
Agatha Macbeth: Liz!! ♥
Eliza Madrigal: Hello!
Qt Core: hi Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: How are we?
Eliza Madrigal checks in with her selves....
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: some of us are just great :) ty
Agatha Macbeth: Aren't you supposed to drop 'self' :p
Wol Euler: :)))
Eliza Madrigal: have to catch them first
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: Yah right
Calvino Rabeni: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Come back self!!!
Calvino Rabeni: Might be able to catch them by joining a club .. I've heard they like to hang out there
Agatha Macbeth: A self club?
Calvino Rabeni: Any club is a self club
Eliza Madrigal: help self club
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Calvino Rabeni: like different kinds of nets to catch different species of fish
Eliza Madrigal: the ones who show up easily for role call aren't the ones to worry about...
Korel Laloix: You mean Washington then?
Agatha Macbeth: If you paint one is it a self portrait?
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Wol Euler laughs.
Calvino Rabeni: So for instance, do a search for "toastmasters" in your geo area... then sort by type ...
Calvino Rabeni: look at the pics, etc,
--BELL--1345
Calvino Rabeni: you can choose between movers and shakers, political notables, sales, librarians, storytellers, adult themed, LGBT and friends, small biz entrepreneurs, gray haired roll up the white shirt sleeves and write on the whiteboard types ..
Calvino Rabeni: the self you want will be welcome there
Agatha Macbeth: I must remember that
Eliza Madrigal: great idea!
Eliza Madrigal: there they are, just advertising to be caught
Wol Euler: ah, you mean to propose a home for wandering selves?
Calvino Rabeni: sure, because they get bored staying home all the time
Calvino Rabeni: usually one or two "take over"
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, yes
Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.
Calvino Rabeni: and have the "home court advantage"
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Eliza Madrigal: indeed..then the others escape to internet sites ...
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: And get sued for copyright reasons...
Wol Euler grins.
Eliza Madrigal: goodness yes, sigh
Eliza Madrigal: so then they make more selves to act as decoys
Calvino Rabeni: Exactly ,,, having been snowed in, going stir crazy, I found myself dropping into the "PaB" club
Calvino Rabeni: where a few bon mots are always appreciated
Wol Euler: ah :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Snow use Cal
Calvino Rabeni: Softly softly falling
Eliza Madrigal: good that you can get online
Agatha Macbeth: Is it bad there?
Calvino Rabeni: unusual but not bad ... adding a new layer today
Agatha Macbeth: Haven't had any here at all yet
Agatha Macbeth: wb QT
Eliza Madrigal: wb Qt :)
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_cTsHIeNI
Calvino Rabeni: It's unusual enough that we have no snow shovel
Wol Euler: (snow song)
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Wol Euler: wb qt
Qt Core: rehi
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't Rehi where you lie on a bed?
Agatha Macbeth: No, that's reiki
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Ignore me
Wol Euler smiles and pats your hand.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder where Boxy is?
Eliza Madrigal bets korel loves this song,,,,?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Let's sing her the duck song
Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
Eliza Madrigal: I like it, ty Wol
Wol Euler: my pleasure :) glad you do
Eliza Madrigal: haha... duckie duet
Korel Laloix: Sorry, no sound at work, so I did not play it.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Silent movie
Qt Core: we aren't having any snow around there, but tree and grass still white as for a lot of iced and fallend down fog
Calvino Rabeni: This is kind of strange to me ... all those street cams that have been installed over recent years are all on the internet ... making it possible to see the snowy state of the entire city ... http://www.seattle.gov/trafficcams/ ... brrr
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Calvino Rabeni: .. with the following disclaimer -
Calvino Rabeni: "Please note: SDOT does not archive or retain any of the images from the traffic cameras."
Eliza Madrigal: not too bad on marginal way
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: but they do stream them so someone else can
Calvino Rabeni: yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Roads seem pretty clear anyway
Calvino Rabeni: all these major roads, mostly a bit plowed ... side streets of course are another matter
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: well someone in the neighborhood will buy a shovel now...
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what it's like where Aph is?
--BELL--1400
Qt Core: i have to go, bye all
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.gvrd.com/webcams/index.html
Calvino Rabeni: Bye QT
Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Eliza Madrigal waves
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VejZKCpNnrs <- "snowstorm"
Eliza Madrigal: some strange thing is happening - when I switch windows I jump up without meaning to... like some monty python skit
Wol Euler: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I thought you were going
Eliza Madrigal: pinching myself
Agatha Macbeth: Competeing selves maybe?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps so :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Eliza Madrigal: conflicting values
Agatha Macbeth: As well
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Wol Euler: so apparently Blue Monday, the most depressing day of the year, is safely behind us now
Eliza Madrigal: what? I missed it?
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh we had it already?
Wol Euler: count yourself lucky
Wol Euler: allegedly
Eliza Madrigal: who knew one could just save up all their sadness and pin it on one day
Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was the 23rd
Wol Euler: oh, is it?
Wol Euler nods to Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe I'm wrong then
Eliza Madrigal: 23 is Chinese New Year
Wol Euler: if that were true, we could at least be certain of being done with it all at some point
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: where did you hear about this Wol?
Agatha Macbeth: Dragon? 
Wol Euler: trying to remember ... online, is the short answer, perhaps twitter
Eliza Madrigal: is there a happiest day?
Calvino Rabeni: It's depressing because .. ?
Wol Euler: According to a press release by a mental health charity,[4] the formula is: \frac{[W + D-d] T^Q}{M N_a} where weather=W, debt=d, time since Christmas=T, time since failing our new year’s resolutions=Q, low motivational levels=M and the feeling of a need to take action=Na
Wol Euler: (wikipedia)
Agatha Macbeth: Well if there is it would have to be in August I guess
Eliza Madrigal: oh my
Wol Euler: monday of the last full week of january, so not yet.
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, thought so
Wol Euler: so Aggers was right! the 23rd
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change
Eliza Madrigal: strange the things people know

Not a lot of people know that...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Innit tho
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Monday_%28date%29
Eliza Madrigal: could make it a party day...
Agatha Macbeth hears a New Order song
Eliza Madrigal: play depressing songs...
Agatha Macbeth: Leonard Cohen?
Wol Euler: heh
Eliza Madrigal: he makes me happy, won't work...
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Plan B then
--BELL--1415
Korel Laloix: I think Metalica's "One" is very depressing.
Agatha Macbeth: We'll play it for Liz then
Korel Laloix: Lagged sorry.
Eliza Madrigal: there ya go
Korel Laloix: There are some great depressing country songs.
Agatha Macbeth: Personally I'd think they were too loud to depress anybody
Korel Laloix: I turned 21 in prison doing life without parol.
Korel Laloix: DOn't know the title of that one though.
Wol Euler: o.O
Calvino Rabeni: Mama tried
Wol Euler: "hurtin' songs", we used to call them
Calvino Rabeni: it's called something like that
Calvino Rabeni: by the grateful dead
Agatha Macbeth: 'I suffered for my music, now it's your turn'
Korel Laloix: OH OK.
Calvino Rabeni: Speaking of causes for depression ...Here's a nice study in contrast ... "your brain on Nature" compared with "your brain on computers" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/te...e&ref=homepage
Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUgYOGX8XOM
Korel Laloix: My Imortal by Evenescence is pretty derpressing as well.
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm but beautiful Korel which makes one smile
Agatha Macbeth: I like them
Eliza Madrigal: ty, clicks everything
Eliza Madrigal: re the article, there is this interesting line of thought lately that people who can provide services of solitude will be in high demand... articles in praise of introversion
Korel Laloix: The Green Green Grass of HOme is another one.
Wol Euler: interseting thought, eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: we're all so overloaded that solitude becomes a luxury item
Wol Euler: in the way that Plum Village in France is (or was originally) in a cellphone "black hole", no coverage
Agatha Macbeth: Mon dieu
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
Korel Laloix: I have been reading about one of the Christian solitude Eastern Orthosox schools. 

('Orthosox' sounds interesting)

Korel Laloix: Hesychasm.

Agatha Macbeth: Bless you 

Wol Euler listens.
Korel Laloix: Interesting to read and think about.
Wol Euler: what do they do/say/think?
Agatha Macbeth: Actually that word sounds familiar
Wol Euler: (what makes them interesting to you?)
Korel Laloix: http://www.hesychasm.ru/en/library.htm
Eliza Madrigal: clicks...
Korel Laloix: I have given serious thoughts to becoming a nun before.
Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
Korel Laloix: To the extent of going to vocational weeks and weekends.
Calvino Rabeni: "Neuroanthropology" .. seems to be among the scientific routes into a kinder and more natural humanism these days
Calvino Rabeni: Make sure you don't sleep alone  
Korel Laloix: Not something I am looking at now.
Calvino Rabeni: http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/12...#comment-25029
Korel Laloix: But still and optoin.
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: ooh interesting...
Calvino Rabeni: So perhaps that's the secret .. don't sleep alone, but spend some time in solutude during the active periods of the day
Agatha Macbeth: Tricky
Calvino Rabeni: then return to a sheltering group at night
Calvino Rabeni: If it's good for babies, it's likely good for adults.... but babies get the study because adults resist being told what's good for them
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: we sort of can feel like we have to be 'on' all the time... one could say 'be happy' constantly... nice to be 'off guard' at night
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, right
Calvino Rabeni: yeah :)
Calvino Rabeni: Electric lights are a technology that's shifted consciousness in many ways... that are hard to see in the overall effect4
Calvino Rabeni: LIke the idea we could in principle run like a machine, 24/7
Eliza Madrigal: nods
Eliza Madrigal remembers a book called Continuum Concept... sort of a radical book for its time... more dependence = real allowing for independence... maybe groups can provide adult containers... tastes of monastery
Agatha Macbeth: Wol often does :p
Calvino Rabeni: and the idea that there aren't cycles in time, that it's "flat"
Wol Euler: eh?
Agatha Macbeth: Run 24/7
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Continuum .. hmm?
Wol Euler: no, not in ages :) but I'd admit to sometimes too much
Agatha Macbeth: Heh
Eliza Madrigal: wow didn't realize the author died last year: http://www.continuum-concept.org/
Calvino Rabeni: I'm envious of those cultures that have culturally-sanctioned retreats for rest and centering or whatever you like to call what happens when you spend time in a monastery / temple residential center with other people
--BELL--1430
Eliza Madrigal: me too Cal, choices become too stark
Calvino Rabeni: A cultural idea that these have their seasons in the typical life ... Resulting in a normalization of the practice ... everybody does it .. not just the introverts or spiritual types or "unproductives"
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: (yawn) Think I'll have me an early night...
Eliza Madrigal: agreed
Eliza Madrigal: Night Agatha :)) rest well
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, sleep well
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now (waves)
Eliza Madrigal: It is interesting when I hear the sort of pull toward this cloistered lifestyle from you Korel or myself...
Wol Euler listens.
Korel Laloix: For me....
Korel Laloix: I grew up very alone at home.
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
Korel Laloix: And as much as I suffered in it, there was some peace.
Eliza Madrigal: yes :) I understand that
Korel Laloix: And I really dont like a lot of things that I found when I left that lonliness.
Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking of it as an integral part of a balanced life .. not as a dominant lifestyle "choice"
Eliza Madrigal: there is perhaps "deep" freedom as well as broad freedom
Calvino Rabeni: listens to Korel
Korel Laloix: I am still very uncomfotable with owning things as well.
Korel Laloix: Evertying I own, including my motorcycle will fit in my car.
Korel Laloix: I don't keep things.
Eliza Madrigal: which can be freeing or can be feeling one has to keep running
Wol Euler: is it significant, fitting *in the car*? do you feel you might literally have to pack up and go?
Korel Laloix: And I do run a lot.. smiles
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes
Korel Laloix: I had to do that before.
Korel Laloix: Long story.
Wol Euler smiles. OK.
Korel Laloix: My SL inventory is 296 at the moment....
Korel Laloix: And my RL is probably about the same.
Wol Euler: wow, how is that even possible? heheh
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Korel Laloix: You have to turn off the library.
Eliza Madrigal: I'm at 8900 and feel like a hoarder
Korel Laloix: I know sevearl that are over 30K.
Wol Euler: 33782
Eliza Madrigal: !
Korel Laloix: I grew up simply.... by force.
Wol Euler: I know one who has 62000
Eliza Madrigal faints
Korel Laloix: But I love some things about that way of life.
Calvino Rabeni: Well, perhaps it's like the email store ... some people treat it as write-only, since the space there is practically huge
Wol Euler nods.
Calvino Rabeni: why spend time cleaning?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: I just like to be organized....
Calvino Rabeni: it does feel good to be organized, yes
Eliza Madrigal: I was actually very sparce when young... just love the feeling of space... of walking across a room... and actually now don't keep things I don't feel I am appreciating
Korel Laloix: Well... overly organized... or so my shrink thinks... grins
Wol Euler: as an architect I am professionally seduced by the image of the empty room
Calvino Rabeni: Fashionable in that field
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Calvino Rabeni: What's that empty room image all about, where did it come from?
Korel Laloix: My room is pretty sparse. Nothing on the walls. SImple furnishings that I actually need.
Wol Euler: for a long time I used to think that I was living minimally, because I had few clothes or kitchen machines and only one bottle of shampoo
Wol Euler: then I realized that I was over looking my CDs and books ....
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Korel Laloix: SOme trade offs are more healthy than others.
Calvino Rabeni: I don't have a pull toward living in a contentless glass box, with only light and space around me ... it feels like a spiritual stereotype of sorts
Wol Euler: absolutely, and no architect actually lives like that either :) good god no :)
Calvino Rabeni: :) All the complexity, concealed on the digital media
Wol Euler: it's related to the Modernist program of removing ornamentation, Cal.
Korel Laloix: I do like vivid colors though.
Calvino Rabeni: I wonder if I'd feel better if I re-formatted all my accumulation of hard drives
Wol Euler: reducing everything to "the magnificent play of volumes in light"
Eliza Madrigal: the thing about living with other people is that they like stuff... so if one likes people then there is some accomodation
Calvino Rabeni: Yes Wol, modernism, but that came from .. ?
Eliza Madrigal: :) I just like to change a lot... and if I had a lot of stuff I couldn't
Calvino Rabeni: A reaction to ornateness? A feeling of degenerate and dissipative culture? hmm
Eliza Madrigal: :) actually the idea of volumes of light is yummy
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: I do like looking at that stuff, but not sleeping around it.
Calvino Rabeni: But it's part of the same ethos that led to the idea of putting the babies in a room by themselves at night
Eliza Madrigal: but less stuff to maintain can mean more presence
Calvino Rabeni: (i mean modernism, not what you're saying, Eliza and Korel)
Wol Euler: it's a cycle, the Hussites and Calvinites and the Shakers did similar stuff (in the terms of their times) too
Calvino Rabeni: There do seem to be cycles
Wol Euler: then people get tired of that and want decorative doodads
Korel Laloix: There is a diffrence there though.
Wol Euler: *calvinists
Korel Laloix: Some ornate furnature is nice... but knicknacks and collectables drive me nuts.
Wol Euler nods.
Calvino Rabeni: perhaps we're in a cycle of acquisitiveness toward "information", to be followed by a minimalist period of simplicity
Korel Laloix: Dust collectors... expensive ones as well.
--BELL--1445
Eliza Madrigal: nods
Korel Laloix: Could be.
Calvino Rabeni: If that's true, there will be a time when people will look back on the early 21st century and think ... can you imagine the time when they used to keep all that clutter of information, as if it were important and meant something! Who can figure ?
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: all that information and no one knew what to do with it
Eliza Madrigal: speaking of which, have to close my eyes for about 20 minutes before a meeting :)
Wol Euler smiles
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
Calvino Rabeni: that's a great idea :)
Wol Euler: I should go too, nearly midnight here
Wol Euler: this was a great discussion tonight, thank you all
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for interesting talk and warm company
Calvino Rabeni: I'll go watch the snow
Calvino Rabeni: softly softly falling
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: bfn :)
Calvino Rabeni: bye everyone :)
Wol Euler: goodnight cal, goodnight korel
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Korel Laloix: Need to start closing up the office soon anyway.
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: late afternoon for you already?
Korel Laloix: Just comming up on 5.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: time for home
Wol Euler: or the theater :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: But it looks like I will actually get out of here on time as the boss is getting ready to go.
Wol Euler: great!
Korel Laloix: That is tomorrow.
Wol Euler: ah, ok
Wol Euler: enjoy the evening, then
Korel Laloix: Take care... smiles
Wol Euler: you too!