2013.02.14 13:00 - Every Solution has a Problem

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

     

    Mellie McMinnar: Hey Agatha
    Wol Euler: hello aggers, hello mellie
    Mellie McMinnar: Hello Wol
    Wol Euler: happy v-day
    Mellie McMinnar: same to you :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: ♥
    Mellie McMinnar: what would you like to talk about?
    Wol Euler: hello san
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Mel
    Mellie McMinnar: hey San
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi San
    Santoshima Resident: hello wol, agatha, mellie
    Mellie McMinnar: wow, all women :)
    Santoshima Resident: & elvira
    Santoshima Resident: sort of
    Agatha Macbeth: Works for me
    Elvira Ihnen: helloo
    Mellie McMinnar: Hi Elvira :)
    Wol Euler: hello elvira
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Elvira
    Agatha Macbeth: Have you been here before?
    Elvira Ihnen: nope
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok, I'll give you a nc
    Elvira Ihnen: ty
    Mellie McMinnar: ah, shit... I should have told you about the bell, Elvira
    Elvira Ihnen: bell?
    Mellie McMinnar: in breef: if you hear a bell and/or see the reddish ring around us getting really red, shut up :D
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Wol Euler: hello bleu
    Elvira Ihnen: hi
    Mellie McMinnar: Hi Bley
    Wol Euler: happy v-day
    Mellie McMinnar: erm... Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: V day?
    Bleu Oleander: happy v-day!
    Mellie McMinnar: sorry, my frensh is bad... pardon
    Santoshima Resident: vagina day
    Wol Euler: yeah, Feb. 14th and all that
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: right :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh that
    Mellie McMinnar: so, any deep, philosophical questions today?
    Mellie McMinnar: aaaaand... silence :)
    Wol Euler: feel free to introduce a question of your own, mellie
    Bleu Oleander: deep silence
    Mellie McMinnar: well, if you want.....
    Agatha Macbeth: (I was IMing Elvira about the recording)
    --BELL--1315
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice blue hearts :)
    Bleu Oleander: ty!
    Mellie McMinnar: well.... so.... if you had to choose between killing 5 people, or just killing one instead..... like the breaks on your car don't work and you can steer into the five or the one.... what would you do?
    Bleu Oleander: ah the ol' trolley car problem :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The way I drive that's a pertinent question
    Bleu Oleander: haha!
    Mellie McMinnar: shhhht Bleu.... I even know the answer to that... but great that you know that :) my question is a little different
    Wol Euler: I don't see how it is different
    Bleu Oleander: sorry :)
    Wol Euler: can you explain that, mellie?
    Mellie McMinnar: explain what?
    Wol Euler: hello berti
    Mellie McMinnar: hey, male person!
    Bertram Jacobus: hi folks :-)
    Bleu Oleander: hiya Bert
    Wol Euler: nice to see you again at this time :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Berti :))
    Mellie McMinnar: Wol, what do you want me to explain?
    Bertram Jacobus: tyty ! :-)
    Wol Euler: how your question differs from the trolley car problem
    Elvira Ihnen: i think it is really the same question
    Mellie McMinnar: because I was going to as next, what you would do if the 5 were elderly persons and the one was a little child
    Bleu Oleander: variations on a theme
    Elvira Ihnen: mm stacked odds!
    Mellie McMinnar: not at all, Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: dif considerations perhaps
    Mellie McMinnar: the professor had 4 different themes.... 1. Killing 1 vs. killing 5.... 2. killing 1 vs letting 5 die.... 3. letting 5 die vs letting 1 die.... 4. killing on or letting 5 die..... dhie difference is between killing and letting die
    Agatha Macbeth: Which professor was this?
    Bleu Oleander: hopefully never faced with any of those problems :)
    Wol Euler: Michael Sandel, in his Harvard law lectures
    Santoshima Resident: that would be hardard's Michail Sandal
    Wol Euler: they're on the web
    Santoshima Resident: ael
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
    Santoshima Resident: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks
    Santoshima Resident: lecture series
    Wol Euler: yw
    Wol Euler: an excellent series, well worth listening to, even for non-lawyers :)
    Wol Euler: and full points to Harvard for putting them online for free
    Bleu Oleander: yes, great series (books are good too)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Mellie McMinnar: oh, if anybody here haven't seen it, watch it.... bookmark it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank you, I'll take a look
    Mellie McMinnar: the first somewhat 13 videos are really good
    Mellie McMinnar: but hey.... you asked me to bring up a philosophical topic and that was the first one I could think about.... now it is your term :)
    Santoshima Resident: there is a week topic
    Santoshima Resident: take a look on hte board
    Agatha Macbeth: Which i can never remember :(
    Mellie McMinnar: yeah, but I don't like it... it is quickly solved
    Bleu Oleander: vulnerability
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Wol Euler: "solved", eh?
    Bleu Oleander: what do you mean solved?
    Wol Euler: please tell us how to solve that
    Mellie McMinnar: if you don't think so, ask a question
    Agatha Macbeth: Can you solve vulnerability?
    Elvira Ihnen: heeheh#
    Bleu Oleander: it's not a problem to solve is it?
    Agatha Macbeth: That's what I was thinking
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liz ♥
    Bleu Oleander: did anyone see the video?
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza ... :-)
    Wol Euler: hello eliza, happy valentine's day
    Mellie McMinnar: Eliza :) how did the other discussion turn out?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone
    Elvira Ihnen: hi eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Melli, which?
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Valentines Day and Eliza's PaB Birthday :)

    (Now this odd because I thought Eliza's PaB birthday is 1/23, but whatever)

    Bleu Oleander: Brene Brown video on vulnerability
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you Elivra :)
    Mellie McMinnar: the one about putting people wit different lifestyles behind bars
    Wol Euler: happy PaBirthday, eliza
    --BELL--1330
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, maybe I am having a brain hiccup
    Agatha Macbeth: Is it? Wow
    Mellie McMinnar: ok, maybe I am mixing you up with someone from another group ;) and.... happy birthday? I guess?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: I haven't attended that kind of discussion so I think it is someone else
    Mellie McMinnar: I think Bertram shoud suggest a topic
    Bertram Jacobus: happy birthday *sing* in the steve wonder maner ... happy biiirthdayyy ... :o)
    Wol Euler: I think you should let things happen more often :)
    Santoshima Resident: agreed
    Eliza Madrigal: <3 <3 thank you <3 <3
    Eliza Madrigal: and thank you all for being in my life
    Bertram Jacobus: ehm - difficult ... vulnerability ? ...
    Agatha Macbeth: YW ♥
    Mellie McMinnar: We are on your computer... nah, wait.... I still think that Bertram should select a topic
    Bleu Oleander: (((Eliza)))
    Bertram Jacobus: shall be a plus ? was that the topic of the week ?
    Eliza Madrigal: (((Bleu)))) smiling a lot today
    Wol Euler smiles and gives Eliza#s hand a squeeze.
    Agatha Macbeth: Cue more hearts
    Bleu Oleander: exactly hehe
    Mellie McMinnar: the topic of the week is lame.... select one that is important to you, Bartram
    Eliza Madrigal: * thanks - great day to celebrate relationships... ground of vulnerability
    Bleu Oleander: connections
    Bertram Jacobus: how to handle enlightenment ... perhaps ... ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: now there's a problem hehe
    Mellie McMinnar: in a buddhist kind of way?
    Eliza Madrigal giggles - I really like that phrasing
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure I could handle it even if i got it Berti...
    Bleu Oleander: what is meant by enlightenment?
    Bertram Jacobus: but - now my gf calls me (!) *sry *lol* ... and i "have to" / should leave - excusez moi s´il vous plait ...
    Elvira Ihnen: bye BJ
    Agatha Macbeth: Behave yourself Bert ;-)
    Santoshima Resident: crikey ...
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bertram, nice to see you
    Bleu Oleander: bye Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. ty friends - hope to see you all soon again - happy talks ! *wave* ...
    Wol Euler: bye bert
    Mellie McMinnar: what are the odds... a guy in SL talking to 7 girls has to go because of his GF
    Agatha Macbeth: Such is life eh
    Mellie McMinnar: ok guys, next turn :)
    Mellie McMinnar: I trew in a really philosophical question when I was asked.... not just a word
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful, San
    Eliza Madrigal: I did see the video Bleu, btw (now seeing your earlier question)
    Santoshima Resident: lpp!:)
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Santoshima Resident: { faulty typist}
    Bleu Oleander: are we talked out on that vid?
    Agatha Macbeth: Homing pidgeons
    Eliza Madrigal: I've enjoyed reading other discussions and liked some of your clarifications a few days ago in Riddle's session Bleu
    Wol Euler listens.
    Wol Euler: what was that about?
    Eliza Madrigal: that Brene wasn't saying we "should" be vulnerable but that we are already vulnerable
    Mellie McMinnar: nope, they just die shortly after they left
    Eliza Madrigal: and that openness might be something 'else'
    Elvira Ihnen: we have many qualities
    Eliza Madrigal: in some ways.. acceptance of that vulnerability
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Elvira Ihnen: and we do not choose them
    Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
    Eliza Madrigal: we may choose what we hide and show?
    Bleu Oleander: believing we're enough helps us to be kinder and gentler
    Santoshima Resident: hello Zen :)
    Mellie McMinnar: a guy!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Mellie McMinnar: ^^
    Elvira Ihnen: but being vulnerable means having advantages too
    Agatha Macbeth: Zenny :)
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: how so Elvira?
    Elvira Ihnen: hi zen
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Elvira Ihnen: any given quality is concomitant with other qualities
    Bleu Oleander: embrace our vulnerability ... not fight it or cover it up
    Elvira Ihnen: and we experience things from our own perspective
    Mellie McMinnar: Zen, you are a male, aren't you..... or are you one of this women who like to pose as a male in SL? you don't use voice.... why?
    Zen Arado: I am an authentic male
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Zen Arado: I use voice a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: The real deal
    Mellie McMinnar: so, since you are a male.... ask something deep :D
    Zen Arado: does it matter Mellie?
    Elvira Ihnen: vulnerability tends to go with being sensitive
    Zen Arado: just did ;)
    Elvira Ihnen: which has its advantages
    Santoshima Resident: excellent question, zen
    Eliza Madrigal: I am thinking about that idea Elvira... cocommitant with other qualities... I guess I was wondering if vulnerability could be called a personal quality or just the 'way things are' for everyone
    Mellie McMinnar: oh! yes you did!... that is a good topic!
    Elvira Ihnen: some people are more vulnerable than others
    Zen Arado: if you have armour on you can't be sensitive
    Bleu Oleander: we are all vulnerable, we're human
    Elvira Ihnen: in the emotional sense
    Wol Euler: my feeling is that it's a fact, for everyone, but we have different levels of ability to let it happen
    Wol Euler: ability or comfort
    Wol Euler: some push it away entirely
    --BELL--1345
    Bleu Oleander: I don't think we can eliminate vulnerability all together ... mother nature can always do us in and there's always the big one ... death :)
    Mellie McMinnar: oh my..... Zen purposed such a beautiful question... and it comes back to violability
    Wol Euler: Mellie, if you are unhappy here you may leave.
    Eliza Madrigal: often if leaving room Mellie sessions can accommodate many questions and musings
    Zen Arado: could take sensible approach and say we need a balance between protecting ourselves and opening up
    Agatha Macbeth: We tend to muse a lot here ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Mellie McMinnar: thank you Wol.... if you are unhappy with me, you may as well
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: how kind of you
    Eliza Madrigal: if someone is very protective it reveals a great deal of vulnerability perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Zen Arado: perhaps a riskier approach is better
    Eliza Madrigal: I mean, if we're in a picnic and everyone is in shorts and someone comes with armor... hm, they are afraid of something?
    Zen Arado: maybe we are all too self protective
    Bleu Oleander: balance I think
    Zen Arado: maybe risk a little more each day?
    Zen Arado: see how it goes?
    Mellie McMinnar: more each day? so like..... more and more and more?
    Bleu Oleander: how do we access our risks?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm a fan of cocooning when necessary also
    Zen Arado: when we get burnt
    Mellie McMinnar: or die
    Agatha Macbeth smiles @ cocooning
    Zen Arado: opening and withdrawing cycle
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: peer out of our shells
    Zen Arado: so basic isn't it?
    Bleu Oleander: wait for that butterfly to pop out?
    Zen Arado: what all creature do
    Mellie McMinnar: the truth is always basic
    Eliza Madrigal: return to rest... basic place
    Zen Arado: hmm yes maybe
    Zen Arado: we take risks to live
    Mellie McMinnar: ockham's razor :)

    Occam changed his name apparently...

    Zen Arado: and we can't stop that
    Mellie McMinnar: normally we avoid risks... and regret it later
    Zen Arado: we like to multiply entities here Mellie
    Eliza Madrigal: fundamental need to recharge, yet recharging is a vulnerable place because one isn't on the look out in a sense
    Zen Arado: it's fun
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: or take risk and regret it
    Eliza Madrigal: is regret so bad?
    Zen Arado: ha great point Liz
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: not as bad as our fears make it out to be
    Bleu Oleander: what does it mean to say regret is good or bad?
    Zen Arado: or taking risks isn't
    Zen Arado: I mean
    Zen Arado: we can live with regret
    Elvira Ihnen: we do not like to feel regret
    Zen Arado: better than never trying
    Elvira Ihnen: we like to learn from it and avoid it in future
    Elvira Ihnen: as best we can
    Zen Arado: je ne regrette rien
    Agatha Macbeth: True that
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods..
    Mellie McMinnar: the feeling we don't like are as useful as the ones we do
    Zen Arado: but the future is always different
    Mellie McMinnar: everything is learning
    Zen Arado: what happened last time might not this time around
    Mellie McMinnar: what do you mean?
    Zen Arado: wwe can overlearn and become too cautious
    Eliza Madrigal: that's a great point too Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: make a rule out of an experience
    Elvira Ihnen: maybe we become more careful as we get older
    Mellie McMinnar: nah, not really... but younger generations might
    Zen Arado: a great saying Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: a question that popped into while doing dishes... people advise mindfulness... mindfulness being interpreted as "carefulness"
    Eliza Madrigal: into mind*
    Zen Arado: mndfulness is more seeing-ness to me
    Agatha Macbeth: Always pays to be mindful while doing the dishes...
    Bleu Oleander: isn't mindfulness about attention and seeing?
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehehhe
    Eliza Madrigal: seeing-ness... nice
    Zen Arado: trying not to be away in daydreams
    Zen Arado: as I often am
    Eliza Madrigal: but it can be interpreted in, forgive me but a perhaps masculine way...
    Wol Euler listens.
    Bleu Oleander: masculine?
    Eliza Madrigal: like, doing one thing at a time as opposed to a few things
    Zen Arado: heh
    Bleu Oleander: haha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Chance is a fine thing
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    --BELL--1400

    Unfortuately I had to leave at this point

    Mellie McMinnar: Zen, for me everything you say is shifted because it's coming from someone who wanted me to leave moments ago
    Zen Arado: no I didn't Mellie
    Agatha Macbeth: OK peeps, I need to go early tonight
    Wol Euler: goodnight, dear aggers
    Wol Euler: take care
    Zen Arado: nite Aga
    Bleu Oleander: need to go too
    Agatha Macbeth: Be vulnerable....
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Agatha and Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello K
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Valentines Day
    Zen Arado: nite Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye K :)
    Bleu Oleander: happy v-day
    Zen Arado: Hi Kori
    Elvira Ihnen: hi korel
    Wol Euler: time for me too, alas
    Korel Laloix: Heya.
    Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Wol Euler: hello korel, sorry about this :)
    Zen Arado: nite Wol tc
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Wol
    Santoshima Resident: hello korel
    Korel Laloix: I just have that effect on people.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kori :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Korel Laloix: Been a silly busy week.
    Eliza Madrigal: work wise?
    Mellie McMinnar: so, Korel.... and deep questions today?
    Santoshima Resident: crikey ... how to shut down a conversation
    Santoshima Resident: please excuse me
    Santoshima Resident: gotta saunter
    Eliza Madrigal: bye San
    Zen Arado: byee San
    Eliza Madrigal: great word.. saunter
    Mellie McMinnar: aaaaaand as always you all have to go too now
    Eliza Madrigal: Elvira how did you find us?
    Korel Laloix: Never heard that word before.. looking it up.
    Elvira Ihnen: oh - i was invited by mellie
    Eliza Madrigal: I seem to be still here although I do want to dance at some point at the OBR event
    Zen Arado: OBR?
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, welcome
    Eliza Madrigal: Onebillionrising
    Eliza Madrigal: it is an awareness event
    Eliza Madrigal: violence against women
    Zen Arado: ah ok
    Eliza Madrigal: OBR Strike (243,16,32)
    Eliza Madrigal: 24 hours... going on until midnight
    Eliza Madrigal: Valentines Day is a big awareness day
    Mellie McMinnar: Elvira.... this IS better than the other place, isn't it?
    Elvira Ihnen: heeh
    Eliza Madrigal: what's the other place?
    Elvira Ihnen: this is different
    Zen Arado: depends what you want
    Elvira Ihnen: from philo house annexe
    Eliza Madrigal: ah gee yes debate isn't really our aim
    Zen Arado: we don't do philosopical debate here much
    Mellie McMinnar: no greefers around... just people who really want to talk about stuff.... amd Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: though we do have debates and groupthink isn't our thing either though
    Elvira Ihnen: so what is?
    Zen Arado: prefer to just jointly inquire into being and reality in a gentle way
    Elvira Ihnen: mm laid back - ok
    Eliza Madrigal: well the idea that differences don't have to bite each other and there are ways to converse without being confrontational OR just agreeing
    Eliza Madrigal: seems a false choice that is set up in other places sometimes
    Mellie McMinnar: we normally choose a topic and we talk about it.... and there always is a topic of a week.... which sometimes is lame... but you shouldn't say that if Zen is around
    Zen Arado: I got tired of philosophy
    Zen Arado: why Mellie?
    Eliza Madrigal: Mellie I think if you scroll back Zen didn't suggest you leave or anything
    Mellie McMinnar: because he gets tired quickly
    Mellie McMinnar: who did than?
    Zen Arado: it took me a long time to get tired of it
    Zen Arado: a degree and an MA in it
    Mellie McMinnar: wait a second Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: not sure but it wasn't zen... but I think the person was only saying that if you didn't enjoy the type of conversation where more than one string might be going on you shouldn't stay and be upset by it
    Eliza Madrigal: that IS a long time Zen, :))
    Zen Arado: I thought it held answers to the meaning of life

    Thought that was 42?

    Mellie McMinnar: well I just said that I do find the topic lame... and someone asked me to leave then.... I thought it was Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: ah
    Zen Arado: I found it quite an interesting topic
    --BELL--1415
    Zen Arado: but that's just my perspective
    Zen Arado: it is down to earth and practical too
    Mellie McMinnar: well, if I did you wrong Zen, I apologize..... but I could have sworn that it has been you
    Zen Arado: something we all have to deal with
    Eliza Madrigal: which? regarding how one presents themselves in SL, and whether it is authentic to present as quite different than RL presentation?
    Mellie McMinnar: *had
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Vorder!
    Zen Arado: Hi Vorder
    Elvira Ihnen: hi Vorder
    Mellie McMinnar: Hi Voder
    Vorder Forder: hello all
    Korel Laloix: Osiyo
    Eliza Madrigal: How are things Vorder?
    Korel Laloix: Back to work.. ciao all.
    Mellie McMinnar: Bye Korel
    Vorder Forder: very good thank you
    Zen Arado: byee Kori
    Eliza Madrigal: okay Kori, sys
    Elvira Ihnen: bye K
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Elvira Ihnen: i got to go too - bye all tc :)
    Zen Arado: byee Elvira
    Eliza Madrigal: join us again Elvira, bye and nice to meet you
    Zen Arado: nice to meet you
    Mellie McMinnar: have a nice time and awesome dreams.. about me... and robots.. and aliens... and alot of guns
    Eliza Madrigal: Ruysbruek came up in reading the other day... that's a name you introduced me to, Zen (I think I spelled it wrong)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was wondering if you could remind me what it was that you were so impressed by with him
    Zen Arado: must be since I don't recognize it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Mellie McMinnar: I only know Zen from Buddhism
    Eliza Madrigal: let me see... google is a friend...
    Mellie McMinnar: Vorder
    Vorder Forder: yes
    Mellie McMinnar: what is on your mind?
    Vorder Forder: trying to get into what you are talking about
    Eliza Madrigal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_van_Ruysbroek (for future reference not necessary to discuss now)
    Mellie McMinnar: oh, don't it's a little mixed up
    Eliza Madrigal: lol... many directions today Vorder
    Vorder Forder: thank you
    Zen Arado: I never heard of him Liz
    Zen Arado: must have been someone else
    Vorder Forder: an ince is better than a wrong direction
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, really thought it was you.. you are being mistaken a lot today I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: heh
    Zen Arado: little old mistaked me
    Zen Arado: can't even type it ;)
    Mellie McMinnar: but I really want to know what you really want to know, Vorder
    Vorder Forder: it is nothing that I can
    Vorder Forder: can´t find about myself
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Vorder Forder: that´s how it works
    Mellie McMinnar: so there is nothing that you really want to know Vorder?
    Vorder Forder: not at this moment no
    Vorder Forder: and I don´t need to know everything
    Mellie McMinnar: ok, boring.... just another guy who wants to sound deep
    Eliza Madrigal: you strike me as quite a content person Vorder
    Vorder Forder: it´s not deep if you ask me
    Mellie McMinnar: sure
    Vorder Forder: just a regular stuff
    Mellie McMinnar: so you don't have any questions
    Vorder Forder: you find out if you look deep inside you get the answers you need
    Vorder Forder: sounds simple
    Mellie McMinnar: or anything to say
    Santoshima Resident: ?
    Mellie McMinnar: a religious robot? .... no... he took a seat
    Zen Arado: byee
    Mellie McMinnar: wb...and bye Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen, nite
    Vorder Forder: bye Zen
    Vorder Forder: does anyone remebers Robot 5?
    Mellie McMinnar: I hate people who just want to sound deep without really saying anything
    Mellie McMinnar: Robot 5?
    Vorder Forder: you have to work on that part
    Vorder Forder: it will only bite you in your tale
    Mellie McMinnar: no, I don't.... you do
    --BELL--1430
    Vorder Forder: send out love not hate
    Mellie McMinnar: I prefer to send out truth
    Eliza Madrigal: anytime we get into general statements like "I hate people who ___" without knowing anything about the person it goes too far for me
    Mellie McMinnar: did we?
    Eliza Madrigal: I miss someone who used to come here... he was infuriating because he spoke in a different way - he was an advaita vedanta teacher...
    Mellie McMinnar: oooook
    Eliza Madrigal: and sometimes he would say something that was quite profound but it wasn't the same banter
    Vorder Forder: how differently ?
    Eliza Madrigal: should see what he's up to
    Mellie McMinnar: still don't get it
    Eliza Madrigal: well... in the sense that I'd never known someone like that
    Eliza Madrigal: who didn't enter into the same dialogs and would stop with statements like
    Eliza Madrigal: "all is perfect"
    Eliza Madrigal: I learned a lot from him
    Eliza Madrigal: because he left an uncomfortable space around things
    Mellie McMinnar: why do you metion it?.... did anybody of us behave like that?
    Eliza Madrigal: well maybe you didn't mean to but there was a line about "hating people who..."
    Mellie McMinnar: tell me the line
    Eliza Madrigal: especially in SL someone who responds slowly or simply may have many reasons
    Eliza Madrigal: [14:28] Mellie (mellie.mcminnar): I hate people who just want to sound deep without really saying anything
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe I misunderstood
    Mellie McMinnar: well ok, but what is wrong with that? There are so many people who just like to use fancy words or words of science they don't even understand just to be "in the light".... why am I not allowed to hate that?
    Santoshima Resident: allowed?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh sure... you're allowed that... and I'm allowed to pick up on your line and draw out distinctions I see from it
    Eliza Madrigal: it isn't easy to understand each other I'm happy to work at it a bit
    Vorder Forder: it´s getting late on my side have a nice evening
    Mellie McMinnar: well, I just guess in this case "hate" has a different meaning..... I don't want to burn them..... I am just like "GRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAARG!"
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Vorder
    Santoshima Resident: peace, Vorder
    Eliza Madrigal: I see
    Eliza Madrigal: it is a kind of foot stomping
    Mellie McMinnar: Night Darth Vorder.... and.... I already know it.... you don't have to say it
    Eliza Madrigal: I do want to dance for a bit at the event
    Eliza Madrigal: anyone care to join me? I can tp
    Mellie McMinnar: take us with you?
    Santoshima Resident: sure / OBR?
    Eliza Madrigal: It may take me a moment to rezz, yes
    Mellie McMinnar: orb?
    Santoshima Resident: np,
    Santoshima Resident: one billion rising
    Santoshima Resident: i sent you a notecard
    Santoshima Resident: easrly in the session
    Santoshima Resident: mellie

    And with that, they all went off dancing presumably...

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