Page last modified 21:52, 13 May 2013 by eliza
2013.05.13 13:00 - Permission to Fail
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No headersThe Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Hi Agatha, Rosatta
Rosatta Resident: Hi, Agatha : )
Rosatta Resident: Hello, Eliza : )
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liz ♥
Eliza Madrigal: so good to see you both, welcome :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah we have a wood I see
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Rosie
Eliza Madrigal: bit of shelter
Rosatta Resident: This is cool : )
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: sets a feeling tone
Rosatta Resident: I feel right at home in a pair of wings :-D
Agatha Macbeth: Will be great when it rezzes
Eliza Madrigal: So this is a 'retreat session' which only means that the pauses are longer and after pauses we sort of share lightly
Rosatta Resident: lightly?
Eliza Madrigal: 5 minutes before the usual bell I'll ring the singing bowl
Wol Euler: greetings, pabonauts
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Wollie ♥
Eliza Madrigal: well... just to say we may share what our sense of life is at the moment - like a check in - or how it was to be quiet for a while... or
Rosatta Resident: Hi, Wol : )
Eliza Madrigal: anything really that comes up
Eliza Madrigal: but basically it just kind of offering into the openness rather than trying to figure anything out :)
Eliza Madrigal: make sense?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :))
Wol Euler smiles.
Rosatta Resident: Well, here's my immediately observation.
Agatha Macbeth: Eager :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rosatta Resident: Someone complained my avatar's butt was too big in certain outfits so I made its hips narrower and now, it has the boniest butt I've ever seen
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we all need to do that with skirts
Rosatta Resident: This is the first I've seen it sitting from behind
Wol Euler: slider skirts, aye
Rosatta Resident: Well, in rl I've never had any backside - flat as a magazine am I, so I kind of liked having my avatar have curves
Eliza Madrigal: yes certain outfits sort of suggest slimming avie.. but then when one changes it doesn't seem right anymore
Wol Euler: the keep them, rosatta
Wol Euler: it's your avatar, to hell with critics
Rosatta Resident: I think I will do what I want and not listen to criticism - for the most part :-D
Wol Euler: pardon my french
Agatha Macbeth: I agree
Rosatta Resident: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :) agreed
Wol Euler: but it is true that slider skirts (as opposed to prims) do add a good three or four inches to the waistline, so we all make skirt shapes to account for that
Rosatta Resident: That's a good idea.
Wol Euler: rather than modifying one's main usual shape
Agatha Macbeth: One of the first things I learned :p
Rosatta Resident: I can adjust the avatar and save it with the outfit in 'outfits'
Wol Euler: yep :)
Wol Euler: absolutely, make sure to save a copy rather than overwriting the usual
Rosatta Resident: Well, these pants need the wider hips, for sure
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Wol Euler: sorry, my geekitude took us away from thinking about what life is
Eliza Madrigal: :) So at 1:10 I'll ring the bell the first time, after posting a little poem - we'll come back after the end bell of the usual 90 seconds
Rosatta Resident: Right now, life is sl
Eliza Madrigal: (no apologies necessary at all)
Rosatta Resident: : )
Eliza Madrigal:
Mist darkens the peaks of
A thousand mountains;
Wind sings, blows the tips
Of the beautiful trees into leaf.
The tip of the pagoda rises
Through the clouds;
Setting sunlight lingers
In the after glow.
Mist darkens the peaks of
A thousand mountains;
Wind sings, blows the tips
Of the beautiful trees into leaf.
The tip of the pagoda rises
Through the clouds;
Setting sunlight lingers
In the after glow.
- Minagawa Kien (1734-1807)
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: :) Thank you
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Eliza Madrigal: Seem long?
Rosatta Resident: Yep
Wol Euler: no, fairly short actulaly
Rosatta Resident: And boring
Agatha Macbeth: Not at all
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: O.O
Rosatta Resident: lol you all must be meditatiors
Wol Euler: I've never experienced boredom yet while meditating, that I remember
Wol Euler: there is always so muich going on, so many monkeys to chase out of the temple
Eliza Madrigal: it felt a bit long for me this time too - sometimes the same amount of time feels like a blip
Agatha Macbeth: I don't think any empty space is truly empty :p
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: and I was considering how one (I) feels in their body, due to lines before the quiet
Rosatta Resident: Well, solitary confinement never solved my mental problems. Maybe I'm just not doing it right
Eliza Madrigal: ah, so it felt trapping for you?
Wol Euler listens.
Rosatta Resident: It's trauma issues
Rosatta Resident: I was kept locked in my room most of my growing up years
Rosatta Resident: Being alone with my own head is not a good place
Eliza Madrigal: I'm so sorry to hear that :(
Rosatta Resident: Ty
Rosatta Resident: I wish I could 'get well'
Eliza Madrigal: I guess this is the reason the creativity exercises are so good for you
Rosatta Resident: I think you are right
Wol Euler: wow
Eliza Madrigal: and you know... the pauses can be like that too.. conscious daydreams or, even times to stop and write a few lines
Eliza Madrigal: no need to "meditate" as such
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: According to the book "The Inner World of Trauma" the therapy that makes the most difference seems to be art therapy
Wol Euler: we talked yesterday (was it?) about mindfully doing dishes or weeding the garden
Eliza Madrigal: art therapy, nice... or doing anything artistically maybe - or what came up this morning was 'play therapy'
Eliza Madrigal: I go through times when I can't 'stop' without crying a lot
Wol Euler listens.
Eliza Madrigal: just that during those times I either set aside more time to cry until it lifts or hm... dance around it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Rosatta Resident: Would you be willing to share what form your play therapy takes?
Eliza Madrigal: It will be time to pause again in a moment - please feel no pressure to meditate in a particular way - then sure
Eliza Madrigal: I have a playful quote, too :))
Eliza Madrigal: "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan
Agatha Macbeth: Good old Carl
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: *
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Agatha Macbeth: **
Wol Euler: I have to confess that I dozed off, and woke with a start at the first bell
Agatha Macbeth: Dozy :p
Eliza Madrigal: :) flash nap
Wol Euler: yep
Eliza Madrigal: you obviously need the rest
Wol Euler: I guess :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: or maybe Zon was contagious
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie works too hard
Wol Euler: ha! I hadn't even noticed him arriving
Zon Kwan: hello
Wol Euler: hello zon
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zon
Eliza Madrigal: Rosatta, a little better?
Rosatta Resident: Well, I found a quote on the internet and got a snack lol
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Wol Euler: share it with us?
Wol Euler: (the quote)
Agatha Macbeth: Hope it was an enlightening one
Zon Kwan: do you have regular meditation session on monday ?
Wol Euler: we do now, zon, yes
Eliza Madrigal: for the last few weeks, yes
Zon Kwan: ah..is it closed ?
Eliza Madrigal: not at all
Rosatta Resident:
"Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew. Anything worth doing is worth doing badly. I believe Icarus was not failing as he fell, but just coming to the end of his triumph."
"Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew. Anything worth doing is worth doing badly. I believe Icarus was not failing as he fell, but just coming to the end of his triumph."
Eliza Madrigal: just stretching out the longer pauses
Eliza Madrigal: ty, wow
Rosatta Resident: It helps me feel I have permission to try and fail - to not always be perfect
Zon Kwan: yep
Wol Euler nods.
Zon Kwan: failing is just a knowledge of what wont work
Wol Euler: the only thing we can really do is to try to be better, each time a little better
Wol Euler: making newer and better mistakes
Zon Kwan: and new ones
Wol Euler: a fresh error is a good error :)
Zon Kwan: not the boring old ones
Agatha Macbeth: I'm good at that
Wol Euler: yep
Rosatta Resident: lol - love that imagery, Zon
Zon Kwan: make one new mistake every day
Eliza Madrigal: wabi sabi people :)
Wol Euler: eh?
Eliza Madrigal: :) appreciating imperfections
Eliza Madrigal: ie "character"
Wol Euler: of course, I always forget the term for that, ty
Rosatta Resident: Oh, the Japanese ethic
Eliza Madrigal: yes... or aesthetic
Rosatta Resident: Thus the reason for the love of raku pottery and 'rustic'
Eliza Madrigal: indeed yes
Wol Euler: when I was in Kyoto I stumbled upon a wabi-sabi porcelain store
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you didn't break it
Wol Euler: handmade cups, delicately imperfect, for thousands and thousands of yen each
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm.. each one quite different
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: A thousand yen is how much?
Rosatta Resident: In a culture where perfectionism is the norm, that is such a delightful counterpoint
Wol Euler: lots
Agatha Macbeth: Oh thought it was like lira
Wol Euler: I'd have to look it up
Rosatta Resident: If I think of a yen as = to 1 penny, it is osrt of close
Eliza Madrigal: regarding play therapy - it was a phrase someone used yesterday in saying that their cat no longer bites because they take time to play with it, with a string :)
Wol Euler: well I think I remember seeing one for 25,000 yen which would be 190 euros
Zon Kwan: playing is very healthy
Wol Euler: for a teacup
Agatha Macbeth: High tea
Rosatta Resident: Play is one of the most powerful experiences - it can heal physically and mentally and socially
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: I'm the same way... I do a lot of the things described in Artists Way re taking myself out etc., and I write a lot - also "sally" - my quest is to be able to enter others' play better and let them into mine :)
Agatha Macbeth: Liz you need chopsticks in your hair
Eliza Madrigal: i'm not great about that, having been raised rather solitary too
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Aggers
Rosatta Resident: I picked up a book in a used book store one time that taught men how to seduce women. It said, if all else fails, play with her. A pillow fight has often gotten a man what he was wanting when nothing else worked
Wol Euler grins.
Zon Kwan: nods
Eliza Madrigal: :) well pillow fights can go awry
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Eliza Madrigal: but seems good advice
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Rosatta Resident: I think husbands are often disappointed that their wives don't want to go play with them - whether it is camping, watching sports, or whatever it is he does to play
Eliza Madrigal: (missed the third pause but we will have the usual 90 seconds soon)
Agatha Macbeth: We need a pause in the pause
Rosatta Resident: Anyway, that seems to tell me how powerful play is
Eliza Madrigal: some difference in being a passenger in another's play and really entering together
Zon Kwan: play is the joy of life
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Zon
Rosatta Resident: Yes, Elliza. Sometimes we have to play the way someone else enjoys as an act of love, but we need our own, too
Wol Euler: (bell approaching)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello bell
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: :) thank you
Agatha Macbeth: The spirit of the talking teacup
Eliza Madrigal: magical objects :)
Agatha Macbeth: What does he object about?
Wol Euler remembers Jay Gatsby and smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: "be our guest be our guest"
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: many people seem to lose the ability to play as they get older
Wol Euler: eh?
Agatha Macbeth: Not me
Rosatta Resident: Playing in sl has given me and my adult daughter a place to bond we never had before
Wol Euler nods.
Rosatta Resident: Did the bell mean silence?
Agatha Macbeth: Proof that it works
Wol Euler: must have been a passing spirit that rang it
Eliza Madrigal: we were quiet the usual 90 seconds this time only :)
Rosatta Resident: ok lol
Eliza Madrigal: thats really interesting that you and your daughter play here
Agatha Macbeth: I love this levitating tea
Eliza Madrigal: I couldn't get mine to come in except to help with building once
Rosatta Resident: She has found a home in Faery Crossing : )
Agatha Macbeth: Faeries rock
Rosatta Resident: Ty
Rosatta Resident takes a bow
Agatha Macbeth: YW
Rosatta Resident: That area is a good sim. The people are gentle and kind and no hurtful behavior is allowed
Eliza Madrigal: :) nice
Eliza Madrigal: am fond of fairies
Rosatta Resident: Plus it is well monitored so griefers can't stay greifing long
Agatha Macbeth: Wave a wand and poof them
Eliza Madrigal: gentle spirits :)
Rosatta Resident: You must dust off your wings and come dance on Friday : )
Wol Euler: sounds good :)
Rosatta Resident: They have a Freeday dance every Friday at 3 pm sl time
Rosatta Resident: In the mushroom circle.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, thanks! I'll look for you online then
Wol Euler: (one minute to the next bell if we choose)
Eliza Madrigal: Last pause is approaching...
Agatha Macbeth: We'll be dancing with Sun at that time
Rosatta Resident: Would you like the lm?
Eliza Madrigal: (sun and zen at 2pm not 3) and yes
Wol Euler: yes please
Zon Kwan: waves
Eliza Madrigal: Okay... entering the quiet.....
Wol Euler: bye zon
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zon
Eliza Madrigal: One torch can dissipate the accumulated darkness of a thousand aeons. Tilopa
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: _/ \_
Eliza Madrigal takes a deep breath
Wol Euler: _/|\_
Wol Euler: thank you, eliza and friends
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Wol :)
Eliza Madrigal: did you mention there was a session yesterday? I'll have to take a look... had thought to try to fill in but wasn't feeling well
Eliza Madrigal: ipm I mean
Agatha Macbeth: What time?
Wol Euler: at 1pm
Wol Euler: I think it was yesterday, I lose track of days
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dunno
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, I cam after 2 when Berti didn't show up
Agatha Macbeth: came*
Rosatta Resident: Dd is here and wanting to have an argument. Ty, dear ones, for the time together (((hugs)))
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: goodnight rosatta, take care
Eliza Madrigal: hugs
Wol Euler: argue well and kindly
Agatha Macbeth: Bye
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Who's DD?
Eliza Madrigal: shorthand for daughter
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Wol Euler: Dear Daughter
Eliza Madrigal: maybe they can come into SL and find boxing gloves ^^
Agatha Macbeth: Not Dick Dastardly then
Eliza Madrigal: or pillows
Wol Euler: well, perhaps it was, who knows :)
Eliza Madrigal: "play therapy"
Wol Euler: I assumed daughter but that may be just my lack of imagination
Agatha Macbeth: Give that dog a medal
Eliza Madrigal: dervish daughter
Eliza Madrigal: dwindling dogwood
Wol Euler: donut demon
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: >time to clean up<
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: So it isn't a mortar and pestle after all
Wol Euler: thank you for the meditation, eliza
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for coming :) bit of a talkative quiet time but very enjoyable
Agatha Macbeth ponders a talkative quiet time
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: two streams in a wood
Agatha Macbeth: Quack
Wol Euler: take the one less fished in :) it makes al the difference
Eliza Madrigal giggles and leave lemon trail
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Wol
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: goodnight!
Eliza Madrigal: night
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz ♥
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Eliza Madrigal: (ht)
Agatha Macbeth: Boho lady
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Wol Euler: ♥ ♥
Agatha Macbeth: So how goes it?
Agatha Macbeth: (pretty quiet eh)
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: it goes well-ish, I guess
Agatha Macbeth: Wellish is better than bad
Wol Euler: pretty stressful day at work, boss is getting worried about time passing
Agatha Macbeth: Oh him too
Agatha Macbeth: Tell him there is no time
Wol Euler: coming up to a decision about one of the competitions, and though the decision is clear and good and right, he doesn't want to take it
Agatha Macbeth: Germans eh?
Wol Euler: people :)
Wol Euler: are reluctant to admit mistakes
Agatha Macbeth: Of course!
Wol Euler: even if it wasn't a personal mistake but simply a bit of life
Agatha Macbeth: Some people go through life without ever being wrong
Agatha Macbeth: You may contain nuts btw
Wol Euler: ha
Wol Euler: indeed, it's true
Agatha Macbeth: Nuttier the better I say
Wol Euler is crunchy.
Agatha Macbeth: Is crunchy is nutty is confiscated
Wol Euler ponders that.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you weren't in London then
Wol Euler: I guess not
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: I see Aph is on, wonder how her mom is
Wol Euler: ask :)
Agatha Macbeth: I don't want to disturb her
Agatha Macbeth: She may have come here as a refuge
Wol Euler: true
Wol Euler: anyway, I am going to move on
Wol Euler: see you at dreams tomorrow
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: Take care
Wol Euler: oh reminds me, Berti did reply, well after midnight :)
Wol Euler: he'd fallen asleep
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Agatha Macbeth: Oh well
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: that's better than forgetting
Wol Euler: I think that comes under the Chaotic Good alignment :)
Agatha Macbeth: For him yes
Agatha Macbeth: Dear Bert
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: anyway
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Wol Euler: goodnight, sleep well, and write down your dreams
Wol Euler: ♥
Agatha Macbeth: Live long and prosper ♥
Wol Euler: :)
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