2012.01.15 08:00 - Guardian Session: Ireland?

Eliza posted this session and apologizes for timestamps. Attending were Aphrodite Macbain : Bruce Mowbray : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Maxine Walden : Santoshima Resident : SophiaSharon Larnia : Xirana Oximoxi : Yakuzza Lethecus : Zen Arado : stevenaia Michinaga

[2012/01/15 07:59]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Maxine, nice to see you
[2012/01/15 07:59]  Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza
[2012/01/15 08:00]  Maxine Walden: yes, nice to be here
[2012/01/15 08:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Bruce :)
[2012/01/15 08:00]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, Maxine and Eliza (Super Liz) ;-)
[2012/01/15 08:00]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): heheh
[2012/01/15 08:00]  Maxine Walden: hi, Bruce
[2012/01/15 08:01]  Maxine Walden: yes, nice cape, Eliza
[2012/01/15 08:01]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Met an interesting lady in SL yesterday, who gave me this cape... she gives presentations and avatar make-overs... avatar looks just like her RL photo
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Maxine Walden: hi, eos
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so many people in SL doing neat things
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, Eos and Xir.
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Eos Amaterasu: Hello, ladies and gents
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, Sophia.
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): hi everyone :)
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Eos, Sophia, Xirana :)
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Maxine Walden: hi, Sophia
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello again everyone:)
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Here comes fierfy footed Stevenaia

[2012/01/15 08:02]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LxC3M-Yngs
[2012/01/15 08:02]  Maxine Walden: hi, Xirana
[2012/01/15 08:03]  stevenaia Michinaga: :)
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): clicks...
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me giggles
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): im in a mood today :) sorry
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haha
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi, Maxine:)
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me enjoys the mood of Sophia's mood
[2012/01/15 08:03]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): /me smiles
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Eos Amaterasu: /me wonders how you put a lime inside a coconut
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Second Life: Adams Rubble is offline.
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): hey I wondered that as well lol
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me thinks of ships in bottles
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): hi Yaku
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey everyone
[2012/01/15 08:04]  stevenaia Michinaga: catchie
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Yaku, Zen:)
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, Yaku, stevenaia.
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): hi Zen
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Eos Amaterasu: hi yak, zen
[2012/01/15 08:04]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Yaku, Zen
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, Zen.

[2012/01/15 08:05]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Let's give a few more minutes before beginning with topics.... see who else trickles in
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Zen (zen.arado): Hi all
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): blonde Zen :D
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Zen (zen.arado): bleach
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): heh
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): hi Aph
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Aph :)
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hello, Aph.
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Aphrodite
[2012/01/15 08:05]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi everyone
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Eos Amaterasu: /me wonders if SSL is having a Pina Colada
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): no just coffee :)
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): maybe last night still in play?
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): maybe
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Coffee Mug: whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
[2012/01/15 08:06]  Eos Amaterasu: brb (coffee, attend to fire)
[2012/01/15 08:07]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): nice Eos
[2012/01/15 08:07]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me needs to stoke woodburner stove again -- brb
[2012/01/15 08:07]  stevenaia Michinaga: pays to wear the fire on your feet
[2012/01/15 08:07]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me has impression of being in a house of houses
[2012/01/15 08:07]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we finally have snow. Looks pretty out my window
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Maxine Walden: lots of snow, Aph?
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Nice ... pictures forthcoming?
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): no but enough
[2012/01/15 08:08]  stevenaia Michinaga: A friend in Montreal said it was -30 C yesterday
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): argh
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): [back]
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): never again!
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): wb bruce
[2012/01/15 08:08]  stevenaia Michinaga: been there when it was -40
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): wow very cold!!!
[2012/01/15 08:08]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): wow
[2012/01/15 08:09]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): /me thinks not fondly of Edmonton and its 40 below every day for a month
[2012/01/15 08:09]  stevenaia Michinaga: when the heat wave is 0 °F you begin to worry
[2012/01/15 08:09]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): wb bruce
[2012/01/15 08:09]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): We were down to 8 degrees (F) this morning.
[2012/01/15 08:09]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): brr
[2012/01/15 08:09]  stevenaia Michinaga: tropical!
[2012/01/15 08:10]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): brrr on steroids.

[2012/01/15 08:10]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Looking around, I think everyone present is also present on the retreats email list, so we are likely up to date with happenings...
[2012/01/15 08:10]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It's minus 2 here
[2012/01/15 08:10]  stevenaia Michinaga: I will disappear shortly
[2012/01/15 08:10]  Eos Amaterasu: /me will miss the warmth of stevenaia's fire
[2012/01/15 08:10]  stevenaia Michinaga: just wanted to be warm w/ friends
[2012/01/15 08:10]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It sounds like it might beCarrickfergus
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yours is Centigrade, though, isn't it Aph?
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): bye Steven

[2012/01/15 08:11]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Carrickfergus is the location near to your home Zen?
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): we're colder than you are this morning, then.
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): and Montreal is colder than all of us.
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Zen (zen.arado): yes Eliza

[2012/01/15 08:11]  Eos Amaterasu: http://www.premierinn.com/en/hotel/C.../carrickfergus
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and uses Belfast airports generally?
[2012/01/15 08:11]  Zen (zen.arado): my home town
[2012/01/15 08:12]  Zen (zen.arado): yes
[2012/01/15 08:12]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Carrickfergus looks beautiful . . . what a great hometown!
[2012/01/15 08:12]  Zen (zen.arado): about 20 miles away

[2012/01/15 08:12]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): One idea that Zen gave me was that airfare to Dublin might be less expensive...
[2012/01/15 08:12]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so for others this might be something to look into as well... can share a train ride...
[2012/01/15 08:12]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): really? But then we would have to fly to Belfast...
[2012/01/15 08:12]  Zen (zen.arado): or bus
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... might be nice scenery...
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Zen (zen.arado): lots from here often go to Dublin airport
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me wonders if Ireland is as green as in films or whether they paint it before shooting
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Zen (zen.arado): has more flights
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :)
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): heh
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Zen (zen.arado): it's green Eliza
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Zen (zen.arado): :)
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
[2012/01/15 08:13]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Not sure if it would be worth doing that - considering the extra time
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): But it might be nice to see some countryside
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes :)
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I suppose it is just one option to throw out there
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): (brb)

[2012/01/15 08:14]  Zen (zen.arado): thinking that if there isn't enough interest might be better to consider Spain or somewhere else?
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Zen (zen.arado): Hi San
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi San
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, San.
[2012/01/15 08:14]  San (santoshima): hello everyone
[2012/01/15 08:14]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello San!
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I would perhaps hike the west coast trail before or afterward
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Spain in July -- HOT!
[2012/01/15 08:15]  San (santoshima): sorry to be late
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hello san
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Zen (zen.arado): we only have 3 with any interest atm

[2012/01/15 08:15]  Eos Amaterasu: I think we need to get a good sense of how many could attend the Belfast meetup/retreat

[2012/01/15 08:15]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): It might be helpful to go over here, one of the topics that came up in email, which is whether a retreat is necessarily a 'meditation retreat'
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): GTSY San
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Eos Amaterasu: the word "meditation" is one of those elephants for the blind
[2012/01/15 08:15]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Yes, your clarification was useful Eliza
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): Bruce..it depends on which part:) Where I live 1000 m altitude is never 'hot' :))
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Zen (zen.arado): sitting quietly is more neutral dscription
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): oh, COOL, Xir!
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Eos Amaterasu: skybox?
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Zen (zen.arado): :)
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): the main thing that separates a retreat from a meet up is sense of time together I think.. each retreat has been very different
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I am afraid it might be too pricey for me: flight, hotel, food
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and with different balances of practices
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or no practices
[2012/01/15 08:16]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): hi San
[2012/01/15 08:17]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and retreats do have a mechanism for scholarships which seems important
[2012/01/15 08:17]  Eos Amaterasu: Opportunity to intersect with people and with moments, maybe some extended, of "practice" or "playing as being"
[2012/01/15 08:17]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lots of wiggle room
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Eos Amaterasu: even belly dancing :-)
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It would be nice to have an organizer or two
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): :))
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Zen (zen.arado): I think I might tire of too much talking
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Zen (zen.arado): a whole week of it
[2012/01/15 08:18]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): whispers: :) smiles and understands :))

[2012/01/15 08:18]  Eos Amaterasu: For Belfast, Zen is local organizer, yes?
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): probably 5 days with arriving and leaving on the othr 2 days
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): right... some of the balances we've made at other times are meetings within meetings... walks with two or three then two meetings as a group per day
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): some walking alone
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wanderings :)
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Eos Amaterasu: I think we can put out a notice to the general group, asking who possibly, probably or definitely could come
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Zen (zen.arado): it all gets complicted
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or napping :)
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Eos Amaterasu: small retreats are as real as large retreats
[2012/01/15 08:19]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I highly recommend napping
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Zen (zen.arado): more used to zen retreats with strict timetable

[2012/01/15 08:20]  Eos Amaterasu: I think so far Zen, Wol, and Piet have indicated they would come
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, and I'm doing some puzzlings
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Eos Amaterasu: there is room/time for individuals' particular practices too, of course
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): financial puzzlings or time puzzlings?
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Zen (zen.arado): 3 isn't enough though?
[2012/01/15 08:20]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): both, always Aph :)
[2012/01/15 08:21]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): a note to the general group does seem the next step
[2012/01/15 08:21]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): :-)
[2012/01/15 08:21]  Eos Amaterasu: I'm not sure I can come - possibly, and possibly for just first couple of days

[2012/01/15 08:21]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes there are these options too.... with a hotel stay it makes that part flexible
[2012/01/15 08:22]  Eos Amaterasu: Yes, it 's much easier to arrange things when the only arrangement is for each person's hotel room
[2012/01/15 08:22]  Maxine Walden: puzzling as well, but just not sure...
[2012/01/15 08:23]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I puzzle almost all the time.
[2012/01/15 08:23]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

[2012/01/15 08:23]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I agree with that, reserving in Hotels makes it much easier for the ones that are not sure if can come (like me :)..but maybe it makes it also more expensive for others
[2012/01/15 08:23]  Maxine Walden: :) me too, Aph
[2012/01/15 08:23]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): life is a puzzle
[2012/01/15 08:23]  Maxine Walden: truly so!
[2012/01/15 08:24]  Eos Amaterasu: Sometimes we've gotten good deals on hotel rates
[2012/01/15 08:24]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and the retreat planning a microcosm of that perhaps ... puzzleception
[2012/01/15 08:24]  Zen (zen.arado): for Carrickfergus I could do without hotel...just be there from breakfast
[2012/01/15 08:24]  Zen (zen.arado): at breakfast
[2012/01/15 08:24]  Eos Amaterasu: tasty
[2012/01/15 08:25]  San (santoshima): at the university here there is great accmodation, relatively inexpensive and beautiful location ~ is there something simliar in Belfast possible? associated with a university or something similar (ie. with conference facilities)
[2012/01/15 08:25]  Zen (zen.arado): big hotel chains not so easy
[2012/01/15 08:25]  San (santoshima): right
[2012/01/15 08:25]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but in this case Zen's place accommodates group meeting
[2012/01/15 08:26]  Eos Amaterasu: For small groups of people don't really need facilities - just a room big enough to meet in. Sometimes Piet has just booked a larger room/suite for himself that serves as the meeting space
[2012/01/15 08:26]  Zen (zen.arado): I don't know San
[2012/01/15 08:26]  San (santoshima): yes, understood
[2012/01/15 08:26]  Zen (zen.arado): have researched 4 places already
[2012/01/15 08:27]  Zen (zen.arado): me being disabled cuts down on options

[2012/01/15 08:27]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nods... I like meet-ups and it seems great for them to continue... but even though retreats have been small they do allow for the possibility of scholarships and also of good planning with potentially leaves no one out unless by their choice ...
[2012/01/15 08:27]  Zen (zen.arado): for me
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): It would cost about 1400 just for airfare...
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Vancouver-Dublin
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... for me too Aph, but to Dublin 1000
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Oh
[2012/01/15 08:28]  San (santoshima): seat sale, Aph
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I'm further west
[2012/01/15 08:28]  San (santoshima): me too
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Eos Amaterasu: Aeroplan points
[2012/01/15 08:28]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): it's hard to find in July
[2012/01/15 08:29]  Zen (zen.arado): it's very expensive
[2012/01/15 08:29]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Well, so I guess we (I?) put out a note in the main group to get a clearer picture of likelihoods and interest
[2012/01/15 08:29]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): for 5 days...
[2012/01/15 08:29]  Zen (zen.arado): what about Spain?
[2012/01/15 08:30]  Zen (zen.arado): air fare wise?

[2012/01/15 08:30]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I've found another place in Spain .moment...
[2012/01/15 08:30]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): just as expensive, no? and hotter?
[2012/01/15 08:30]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Is there a reason we should go right in the middle of the summer?
[2012/01/15 08:30]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): doesn't hurt to look... what would be the airport? Can we run around eating with mario batali? :)
[2012/01/15 08:30]  Eos Amaterasu: Spain might be better in Spring or Autumn
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Zen (zen.arado): yes
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes and cheaper as it might be lower season
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): http://www.victurisme.cat/fitxa.php?...&sub=1&codi=38
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Zen (zen.arado): off season is better all round
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): but then Zen couldddn't go
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): (to Spain)
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): right...
[2012/01/15 08:31]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): they say it costs 40 euros bed and breakfast

[2012/01/15 08:31]  Eos Amaterasu: So, my sense would be to go forward with Belfast, and then plan other retreats/meetups, such as in North America and in Spain....?
[2012/01/15 08:32]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I agree Eos
[2012/01/15 08:32]  Second Life: Dali Waverider is online.
[2012/01/15 08:32]  Zen (zen.arado): I can't go to a lot of places :)
[2012/01/15 08:32]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Belfast this summer...and somewhere else in a low season
[2012/01/15 08:32]  Zen (zen.arado): not Carrickfergus?
[2012/01/15 08:33]  San (santoshima): when does it become cheaper to be in Belfast? when if "off" season?
[2012/01/15 08:33]  Eos Amaterasu: I think we're still a bit unsure of exact dates for Belfast, and length of time: will need to work that out with Zen, Wol, Piet and others who are interested
[2012/01/15 08:33]  San (santoshima): or Carrickfergus
[2012/01/15 08:33]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sorry yes, Carrickfergus -
[2012/01/15 08:33]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I'm thinking of the flights out of Vancouver San; July is high season
[2012/01/15 08:33]  Zen (zen.arado): wULY, August are peak
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Zen (zen.arado): gets cheaper after that
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Zen (zen.arado): oh and Christmas time is peak too
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): got to go everyone :) HAve a wonderful day!!
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Eos Amaterasu: Ciao!
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye, Sophia.
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Zen (zen.arado): just Northern Hemisphere pattern?
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye! SS!
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Sophia (sophiasharon.larnia): stay warm :)
[2012/01/15 08:34]  San (santoshima): bye Sophia
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Sophia :)
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye sophia
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Zen (zen.arado): bye Sharon
[2012/01/15 08:34]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye bye Sophia:)

[2012/01/15 08:35]  San (santoshima): is Sept or Oct a consideration?
[2012/01/15 08:35]  Zen (zen.arado): well we are doing JUly for Pema mainly?
[2012/01/15 08:35]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes--wondering why July
[2012/01/15 08:35]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I think Pema did say that was the best for him... has planned most of the year I think
[2012/01/15 08:35]  Eos Amaterasu: Earlier a discussion on the retreat list seemed to converge on last week in June and first week in July as a likely time
[2012/01/15 08:36]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
[2012/01/15 08:36]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): was good for a few people
[2012/01/15 08:36]  Eos Amaterasu: which is probably a good enough start
[2012/01/15 08:36]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): for me too , due to kids' summer schedules
[2012/01/15 08:36]  Zen (zen.arado): want me to ry bookings for last week June in Carrickfergus?
[2012/01/15 08:37]  Eos Amaterasu: I thought first week July? - best work it out first with Wol and Pema, then do a booking
[2012/01/15 08:38]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sounds good Zen. How many have agreed to go then?
[2012/01/15 08:38]  Eos Amaterasu: I'll set upa page in the retreats sectionof the Wiki, for Belfast
[2012/01/15 08:38]  Zen (zen.arado): three only
[2012/01/15 08:38]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it doesn't hurt to look but I know my puzzling drops off if in June
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OK, that's good Eos, thanks
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Zen, Pema, Wol -whjo else?,
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Zen (zen.arado): so JUne is out?
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Eos Amaterasu: I think both Pema and Wol were going for first week in July
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Zen (zen.arado): yes
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Seems to be Pema's timetable is key
[2012/01/15 08:39]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): for Carrickfergus though
[2012/01/15 08:40]  San (santoshima): best to check again whether June is possible for them
[2012/01/15 08:40]  Zen (zen.arado): but Pema said last week in June too Ithink
[2012/01/15 08:40]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): OK, we'll re-check :)
[2012/01/15 08:40]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): at the moment only the three have confirmed they can go to the retreat
[2012/01/15 08:40]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): first on the retreat list and then in main group....
[2012/01/15 08:40]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we are operating without all the facts. let's ask Pema if June is OK
[2012/01/15 08:40]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): before we decide
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): More avis may be able to come.

[2012/01/15 08:41]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): if no more than 3 likely, then it seems we have no choice but to table it ... with an intention to revisit later on perhaps at a diff season of the year
[2012/01/15 08:41]  San (santoshima): and if ok with them, to go ahead and book in the last week in June?
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): when does school finish Eliza?
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Eos Amaterasu: Piet said: "I suggest we start on Sunday, July 1, as the day of arrival,
 with a dinner that evening, and then have Monday through Friday,
 July 2-6 as five full retreat days (with traditionally the Wednesday
 as a silent day). Departure on Saturday, July 7."
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I go now..take care all and see you soon! :)
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Eos Amaterasu: And Wol said that worked for him.
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): mid June but there are other considerations wrapped up within that one Aphrodite
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye xirana
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Zen (zen.arado): school finished at end of June in N.Ireland
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Xiri, thanks
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
[2012/01/15 08:41]  Zen (zen.arado): bye Xirana
[2012/01/15 08:41]  San (santoshima): bye Xirana, tc
[2012/01/15 08:42]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Thinking about Eliza's time Zen

[2012/01/15 08:42]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes don't worry... surely don't want to be a pivot point :)
[2012/01/15 08:42]  Zen (zen.arado): yes I know...it can affect hotel bookings here too though
[2012/01/15 08:42]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): there are many pivot points here! Zen, Pema, Eliza..
[2012/01/15 08:42]  San (santoshima): many pivot points, not to worry
[2012/01/15 08:43]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
[2012/01/15 08:43]  Zen (zen.arado): yeh I don'tlike being a pivot either
[2012/01/15 08:43]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nearly each retreat I've thought I definitely couldn't go at first :)
[2012/01/15 08:43]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): maybe we should change the word...

[2012/01/15 08:43]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): /me thinks aboutr whirling dirvishes
[2012/01/15 08:44]  Zen (zen.arado): so hard to fit all the complications together
[2012/01/15 08:44]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Well, I think that's all we can say for now, and look forward to hearing from Wol and Pema, and also if it was a huge difference June that might matter for some?
[2012/01/15 08:44]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I am sure if we booked the last week in June, thngs would work out
[2012/01/15 08:44]  San (santoshima): yes
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): right Eos
[2012/01/15 08:45]  San (santoshima): please excuse me
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Zen (zen.arado): arriving Sun 24th June?
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye! San
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Zen (zen.arado): bye San
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes Zen
[2012/01/15 08:45]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (bye San)
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So Eos will make a retreat page and Zen will see into June, and then I'll ask Wol and Pema and aim to send a message to the main group within the week?
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Zen (zen.arado): and leaving Sat 30th?
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): sounds good, Eliza.
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Zen (zen.arado): ok Eliza
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes Eliza
[2012/01/15 08:46]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): with recommendations it happens from the 24th-30th
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): June

[2012/01/15 08:47]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): So by February we should have clarity
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/2012-07_Belfast
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ty Eos :)
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Eos Amaterasu: Zen, feel free to add more info there!
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): smiles
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Zen (zen.arado): ok
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nice to see it written down
[2012/01/15 08:47]  Maxine Walden: :)

[2012/01/15 08:48]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Zen - would you make a list of things we can do/places we can visit while we're there?t
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Zen (zen.arado): there are other nice places around NI but difficulty is transport to them
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Zen (zen.arado): ok
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Eos Amaterasu: What side of the road do you drive on?
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hmm maybe renting a car...
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Zen (zen.arado): left
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Men's AO: Touched.
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Men's AO: Touched.
[2012/01/15 08:49]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Korel :)
[2012/01/15 08:50]  Korel Laloix: Heya
[2012/01/15 08:50]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Korel
[2012/01/15 08:50]  Zen (zen.arado): Hi Korel
[2012/01/15 08:50]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey korel
[2012/01/15 08:50]  Zen (zen.arado): Belfast Internatinla is way out in the counttry so not like trying to drive through a busy city if hiring a car
[2012/01/15 08:50]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Time for me to go. Thanks everyone
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Eos Amaterasu: bye Aph
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye, Aph.
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye!
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye aph
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Korel Laloix: Take care
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Zen (zen.arado): bye Aph
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Eos Amaterasu: I need to busy buzz off too....
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye, Eos.
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Zen (zen.arado): bye Eos
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Maxine Walden: and me as well. Bye all
[2012/01/15 08:51]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Eos, Aphrodite, Maxine
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Eos Amaterasu: bye, all!
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Me too.
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye everyone
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye for now.
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Zen (zen.arado): looks everyone is going
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Korel Laloix: I just go through bathing, I promise... smiles
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bye Bruce, Zen, Yaku
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Zen (zen.arado): bye all
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): /me smiles
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): some have been on since morning session
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)) like me...
[2012/01/15 08:52]  Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haven't seen kids yet :)
[2012/01/15 08:53]  Korel Laloix: lol
[2012/01/15 08:53]  Korel Laloix: Ciao