2013.02.26 07:00 - Beware, You May Become Someone Different

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

             --BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hello Catrina

Catrinamonblue Resident: good morning :)

Eliza Madrigal: particularly striking wings today

Catrinamonblue Resident: :) thank you

Catrinamonblue Resident: am feeling fairy like today

Eliza Madrigal: what does that feel like?
Catrinamonblue Resident: happysad, mixed up but flowing with the wind kinda thing
Eliza Madrigal: admire your attempt to try to articulate it
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Riddle is traveling... wonder any thoughts on Love and Being (everything else may well naturally fall in those categories) :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: love is filled with emotions today for me, happy sad, pain joy.
Eliza Madrigal: some desire to sort those emotions?
Catrinamonblue Resident: it feels a bit overwhelming to try to sort out, like being swamped by a wave you didn't know was coming to the shore
Eliza Madrigal nods

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :) Morning
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi bleu
Eliza Madrigal: emotions are such a mystery for me - have no idea how to sort them
Eliza Madrigal: but I do get a bit vulcan like, observing them, at times :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: nor do I, which is were going with the wind seems to come in
Catrinamonblue Resident: allowing them to just be


Bleu Oleander: btw, I just listened to an audio show about the book I mentioned last night ... if interested i'll give you the link
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, that would be helpful
Catrinamonblue Resident: sure :)
Eliza Madrigal: may want to forward to Aph as well
Bleu Oleander: http://brainsciencepodcast.com/
Bleu Oleander: it's the recent show
Bleu Oleander: Benjamin Bergen's book "louder than words"
Bleu Oleander: so fascinating
Bleu Oleander: how we think and make meaning
Bleu Oleander: there's a transcript if you would rather read than listen
Bleu Oleander: http://static.squarespace.com/static...bsp-Bergen.pdf
Eliza Madrigal: am a fan of audios... am often multitasking which I have somewhat given into

Bleu Oleander: so relevant to our discussions here
Bleu Oleander: at the end he discusses cell phones and driving ... very interesting
Bleu Oleander: sorry, didn't mean to interrupt ... what is the topic this morning?

Eliza Madrigal: no interruption at all... we were just sort of greeting and taking the day's temperature
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: what I grapple with is the tangible experience of our discussions here as play out in various situations... learning to sort of put things to the test
Bleu Oleander: take to the real world
Eliza Madrigal: yup
Eliza Madrigal: or even just seeing already there

Bleu Oleander: I find these conversations help me to sort out what I think I know and what I actually experience

         --BELL--

Catrinamonblue Resident: I seem rather opposite right now bring the real world here to see what I am

Eliza Madrigal: both intriguing comments
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: if we take the lab framework, crossover is like... hm, taking a droplet of SL/PaB into the marketplace and vice versa
Eliza Madrigal: observing the measurements and interactions
Bleu Oleander: exactly
Bleu Oleander: the knowledge for me is in the in between spaces
Bleu Oleander: between here and there
Eliza Madrigal: certainly not clear cut which is which
Bleu Oleander: like we said last night it's not so much about answers ... it's more of a process I think

Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm too new at this and much to much an emotional being to analyze things in that way
Bleu Oleander: we are all emotional beings
Bleu Oleander: we even use emotions when we "think rationally"
Catrinamonblue Resident: can we be too much in the emotion of being?
Bleu Oleander: emotions are being in a way

Eliza Madrigal: I feel challenged and curious (alive?) when leaning into what I do not know... like to be out of my depths... how I tap emotions
Eliza Madrigal: how am "moved"
Eliza Madrigal: come into being, perhaps
Bleu Oleander: curiosity is tied to being for me
Bleu Oleander: so much to know and so little time :)

Eliza Madrigal: there is a dream sense of watching oneself in the midst of behaviors that is interesting too, especially when comes to emotion
Eliza Madrigal: like, the space or distance around seeing into oneself in play... with all the seemingly accumulated life experience and knowledge
Eliza Madrigal: bumping and crashing and swirling in with that of 'others'
Eliza Madrigal: I often ask "Why did that particular sentence upset me?" or.. preoccupy me all day...
Bleu Oleander: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Bleu Oleander: much of what we wonder about as far as our reactions is unconscious and not available through reflection
Eliza Madrigal: strange to ourselves :)
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal:I've seen the aliens and they are us
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: it is also interesting that we wrestle and struggle with things in our "RLs" that we can't or feel not to explicitly bring here, yet the lab process allows for hm, benefit not to be segregated
Eliza Madrigal: (or at least I do)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bleu Oleander: PaB has it's limitations then perhaps?
Catrinamonblue Resident: not limitations per say in PaB itself
Catrinamonblue Resident: but limitiations within us?

Bleu Oleander: perhaps not the right context for everything?
Eliza Madrigal: I've always seen it as a plus, because there have been so many places in my life where I could talk 'about" stuff and problems or what have you and get hm, a certain level of advice
Catrinamonblue Resident: the word vulnerability pops in my head

         --BELL--

Bleu Oleander: so what are the spaces/times that allow for this non-vulnerable conversation?

Catrinamonblue Resident: what is appropriate to say in public or not to say this is the question :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'd not call it non-vulnerable, myself... I'd say deeper

Bleu Oleander: so vulnerable?
Eliza Madrigal: indeed very
Eliza Madrigal: shaking foundations

Bleu Oleander: so spaces that seem at risk in a sense?
Eliza Madrigal: or often leaning into foundations
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sun!
Bleu Oleander: I was thinking of comfortable
Bleu Oleander: not vulnerable
Bleu Oleander: hi Sunji :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Sun
Eliza Madrigal: interesting... thinking :)

szavanna Resident: shall I sit next to Bleuji or Liz
szavanna Resident: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: "pick me pick me"
Bleu Oleander: where do I feel comfortable exposing myself and to what depth?
szavanna Resident: ok Bleuji wins for today °͜°
Bleu Oleander: pick me!
Eliza Madrigal: :P
szavanna Resident: uh
szavanna Resident: ;p
Eliza Madrigal: see, I made myself vulnerable and now feel the sting of things not going my way :P
Bleu Oleander: :P :P
Eliza Madrigal giggles
szavanna Resident: I will change regularly
szavanna Resident: ;D
Bleu Oleander: hop back and forth hehe
szavanna Resident: please carry on °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: there are times when there is exposure that arises naturally... expressing or revealing something
Eliza Madrigal: that seems sacred
Eliza Madrigal: and even when people give one another normal level advice, there is something great about that too
Eliza Madrigal: but hm...
Eliza Madrigal: there is something 'else' - we have puzzle pieces for one another but can't put them together for each other

Bleu Oleander: Eliza, you are your own very interesting conversation ... love to follow your train of thought :)
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: :)
szavanna Resident: indeed °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: do I make you dizzy?
Catrinamonblue Resident: no you make me think hard
szavanna Resident: love to listen to all the Lizjis talking
Bleu Oleander: no really very interesting
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
szavanna Resident: °͜°

Eliza Madrigal: sparked by amazing questions and the gathering of our minds
Bleu Oleander: one senses your reaching for depth
szavanna Resident: yes yes
Bleu Oleander: a serious endeavor
szavanna Resident: ❤
Bleu Oleander: respect you for that!
szavanna Resident: inspiring
Bleu Oleander: ♥ *•.¸♥¸.•* ♥
Bleu Oleander: (have to get out my hearts too haha)
szavanna Resident: ;o)
Eliza Madrigal: it is that for me.. serious exploration, and I never cease to feel a privilege inherent in company that allows for that
szavanna Resident: when we really have time to get into a chat with Liz ....we disappear in all sorts of dymensions °͜°

             Safe Exploration Context

Bleu Oleander: in that way PaB is a great context
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bleu Oleander: I don't feel vulnerable here in some ways
Bleu Oleander: comfortable
szavanna Resident: yes true
Catrinamonblue Resident: I have come home :)
Bleu Oleander: a safe space

szavanna Resident: I was very surprised about that too because even in my family I am a black sheep
Eliza Madrigal: agree, inexplicable
szavanna Resident: and in africa I am a white sheep hehe
Eliza Madrigal giggles Sun
Bleu Oleander: haha!
Eliza Madrigal: yin yang sheep
szavanna Resident: so at PaB I feel quite normal °͜°
szavanna Resident: hehe yes
Bleu Oleander: you are our favorite zulu sheep hehe

szavanna Resident: i think its the exploration
szavanna Resident: hehehe
szavanna Resident: 
szavanna Resident: ♥
Bleu Oleander: ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

szavanna Resident: I think PaB really lives up to its name
szavanna Resident: Play as being
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal smiles
szavanna Resident: and I really enjoy that
Eliza Madrigal: deeper than all of us and yet not one left out or optional :)

Catrinamonblue Resident: PaB has been helping me through a very very hard time in my life, the people here have been so loving, so caring of me
szavanna Resident: ♥ *•.¸♥¸.•* ♥
Bleu Oleander: that's great Cat
szavanna Resident: ;)) happy to hear that
Eliza Madrigal: it is
szavanna Resident: I think its great when SL can be supportive of RL
 

        Consciously not participating in 99 Days


Bleu Oleander: btw ...
Bleu Oleander: an observation about the 99 days
szavanna Resident: listens
Bleu Oleander: in a way not doing it ..
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: I am reading a book which talks about wise innocence
szavanna Resident: listens
Bleu Oleander: what book?
Eliza Madrigal: I've read it a few times... a Trungpa book
Eliza Madrigal: Crazy Wisdom... basically lives stories of Padmasambhava, a figure from Tibetan buddhism ... lots of symbolism
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: crazy wisdom?
Eliza Madrigal: it is an aside but popped up to share with that sense of something we may experience in SL together
Bleu Oleander: crazy sl?
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: love questioning arbitrary boundaries :)
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Crazy SL indeed :)

szavanna Resident: ah found a film Liz
szavanna Resident: A Dry White Season (1989) Full Movie
szavanna Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On49sOqH6ck
szavanna Resident: we share films with Liz
Eliza Madrigal clicks and saves
szavanna Resident: I am trying to add it to my blog
Eliza Madrigal: Searching for Sugarman won an Oscar, Sun :)
szavanna Resident: ahyes!
szavanna Resident: I wanted to ask
Eliza Madrigal: so congratulations
Eliza Madrigal: lol
szavanna Resident: if its true
szavanna Resident: hehe yay

Bleu Oleander: well girls, must click and save ... have to get to work
Bleu Oleander: hugs all around
Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, thanks and many hugs
szavanna Resident: kk Bleuji see you soon
szavanna Resident: 
szavanna Resident: hugs ♥
Catrinamonblue Resident: bye

Bleu Oleander: thanks for allowing space for good conversations
szavanna Resident: happy work day
Eliza Madrigal: must get going too actually but first what is the film about Sun?
szavanna Resident: tytyty
Bleu Oleander: byee and take care
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for showing up to Play
szavanna Resident: Ben du Toit is a schoolteacher who always has considered himself a man of caring and justice, at least on the individual level. When his gardener's son is brutally beaten up by the police at a demonstration by black school children, he gradually begins to realize his own society is built on a pillar of injustice and exploitation.
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
szavanna Resident: I think its very good
szavanna Resident: explores SA
szavanna Resident: very hard reality to face

Eliza Madrigal: wow... okay will see it - you know SA is in the news a lot here now due to the "blade runner" athlete
szavanna Resident: sigh yes
szavanna Resident: hope it will calm down
szavanna Resident: 
szavanna Resident: hugs Liz ♥
szavanna Resident: see you soon °͜°
szavanna Resident: shall we make the building a bit later?
Eliza Madrigal: terrible... when we see all the chemical enhancing going on with "heroes" it may help us question our values as society
szavanna Resident: so you could come may be?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh that would help
szavanna Resident: yes true Liz
Eliza Madrigal: I can never come at 11
szavanna Resident: what time is good for you
Eliza Madrigal: I am home by 12
szavanna Resident: kk
Eliza Madrigal: but always getting daughter from 11 to 12
szavanna Resident: we could start at noon?
Eliza Madrigal: but I don't want you to change for me
Eliza Madrigal: because I can't come all the time
szavanna Resident: even if you are late - you are not so late
Catrinamonblue Resident: sry guys work stuff happened and I was AFK
szavanna Resident: hmm no prob if you can't come
szavanna Resident: np Cat
Eliza Madrigal: life happens :)
szavanna Resident: °͜°

szavanna Resident: ok I make it noon
szavanna Resident: wil send out a note
Eliza Madrigal: that's kind of you - don't want you to be overwhelemd
Catrinamonblue Resident: reading back to see what I missed :)
szavanna Resident: but don't feel pressured to come
szavanna Resident: oh we were just chatting
szavanna Resident: this and that °͜°
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Eliza Madrigal: (((((((((((( just chatting this n that ))))))))))

szavanna Resident: hehehe ❤
szavanna Resident: its fun :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

szavanna Resident: so noon tomorrow
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs and well wishes
szavanna Resident: building class
Eliza Madrigal: and see you soon <3
szavanna Resident: hugs and lots love
Catrinamonblue Resident: ah :)
szavanna Resident: ♥ ♥ ♥

szavanna Resident: Cat wanted to ask about Druthy
szavanna Resident: we usually do some party plans
szavanna Resident: today
szavanna Resident: but I don't see her on
Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm at work so have no idea what she is up to today
szavanna Resident: ok will IM her
szavanna Resident: has she recovered ok?
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh yes she is fine :)
szavanna Resident: yay
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: ok please give her a hug
szavanna Resident: and yourself too °͜°
Catrinamonblue Resident: gtg go :) see you later
szavanna Resident: take care ;)) byebyeeee