2008.11.07 13:00 - One Messy Globular Cluster

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    Solobill was the guardian for the weekly Friday end-of-the-week session...comments are his.
    Wol Euler: hello solo
    Solobill Laville: Hiya, Wol!
    Solobill Laville: You doing well??
    Wol Euler: quite well, thanks. looking forward to the weekend.
    Wol Euler: and yourself?
    Solobill Laville: The same, thanks!
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Wol Euler: shall we?
    Solobill Laville: Shall we sit?
    Solobill Laville: Do I detect a tint of green to your hair today?
    Wol Euler smiles. you do.
    Wol Euler: it's brand new, had to hurry my decision to get here in time.
    Solobill Laville: ah! very nice

    Adams joins us.

    Solobill Laville: Heya, Adams!
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Bill and Wol :)
    Wol Euler: hello adams
    Wol Euler: and ty, solo.
    Solobill Laville wants to sit cross-legged...
    Wol Euler: yep
    Solobill Laville: there we go
    Solobill Laville: How are you today, Adams?
    Adams Dubrovna: I am good, very tired, but good. How about you?
    Wol Euler: (I have to agree with Fael, these cushions are a touch too far apart.)
    Solobill Laville: I am good, thanks, are you still having sleep issues?
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Neela :)
    Solobill Laville: I'm sorry to hear it
    Adams Dubrovna: Stim says I will have them until Winter stresses my body

    Neela joins us next.

    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Adams! and Bill and Wol
    Wol Euler: oh wow
    Wol Euler: hello neela
    Solobill Laville: Well, Ms. Blaisdale, long time no see!! Hi!
    Neela Blaisdale: Been busy in Florida with the election
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: Seems that you do good work... ;)
    Wol Euler: congratulations and THANK YOU SO MUCH to the Americans :-)
    Adams Dubrovna gives Neela a big hand
    Wol Euler: the rest of the world is much relieved.
    Neela Blaisdale: :) Nice to be back home, no more doors to knock on.
    Solobill Laville smiles
    Neela Blaisdale: How have you all been?
    Solobill Laville: Busy and well
    Adams Dubrovna: I'm good
    Wol Euler: busy and away
    Wol Euler: and yourself?
    Neela Blaisdale: Away where?
    Wol Euler: munich for 3 days, for a conference and some product meetings.
    Neela Blaisdale: We are all so busy!
    Wol Euler: (and a reasonable quantity of good food and wine, of course)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Solobill Laville wonders what really could be reasonable...
    Solobill Laville: vino Italiano...
    Wol Euler nods, it does depend where you stand and when you last ate.
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Solobill Laville: Adams, can I ask you a question about sleep?
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes
    Solobill Laville: Do you find your mind working away?
    Adams Dubrovna: No my mind is fairly peaceful. No stress there at least that i have been able to notice and I am watching very carefully
    Solobill Laville nods
    Neela Blaisdale: What type of sleep problem?
    Adams Dubrovna: When I watch I can see either very small thoughts or distant thoughts in my peripheral vision but last night when I tried to look they disappeared
    Adams Dubrovna: Neela, early in April I had a vision of being in a great space\
    Solobill Laville: April, Adams?
    Adams Dubrovna: It appears my selves and my body got frightened, at least that is what Stim says
    Adams Dubrovna: Whoa, sorry
    Adams Dubrovna: Wearly in October (this sleep stiff is getting to me)
    Adams Dubrovna: Waerly, not wearily
    Wol Euler heaves a sigh of relief.
    Adams Dubrovna: haha
    Adams Dubrovna: early
    Neela Blaisdale: Do you have trouble falling asleep or staying asleep?
    Neela Blaisdale: brb
    Wol Euler: October is bad enough, but April! (shudders)
    Adams Dubrovna: I get to sleep and then wake up and I am awake for a couple of hours until my body starts to hurt, then it goes to sleep
    Solobill Laville: So sorry, Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: Well, it might be a good thing in the long run
    Solobill Laville: ?
    Adams Dubrovna: When everything calms down and accepts what I experenced
    Wol Euler: ah
    Adams Dubrovna: Maybe then I can experience it again
    Solobill Laville: SO, do you think this a clash of what you have *beleived* against what you have experienced?
    Adams Dubrovna: This body stuff is new to me. I always thought the mind could control the body not that it would go off on its own. I have much to learn yet
    Solobill Laville: ah :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: If i hadn't experienced this I probably would not believe it
    Solobill Laville nods
    Adams Dubrovna looking forward to winter
    Adams Dubrovna: :)

    Wol noticed that I quickly snapped a picture.

    Wol Euler: did you get us all in?
    Solobill Laville: yup
    Solobill Laville: over Neela's shoulder - getting more creative... :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Solobill Laville: Have you had a chance to practice PaB or anything else lately Neela?
    Wol Euler: metta perhaps :-)
    Neela Blaisdale: Back again. I've done some work in the mind=body connection and yes the mind does influence the body but also works the other way too.
    Solobill Laville: indeed

    Great topic for a future discussion!  (which makes one think why we didn't jump on it for this one...)

    Neela Blaisdale: So are you waking up feeling anything different or uncomfortable?
    Adams Dubrovna: When I wake up in the midle of the night I feel a sensation of my body resisting sleep; when I finally get up in the morning I am tired
    Neela Blaisdale: Not much time in the last several weeks but going on a retreat this weekend through Wednsday so lots of time then
    Solobill Laville: Great, Neela!
    Wol Euler: oh, nice.
    Adams Dubrovna: In the midle of the night it almost seems like a switch is thrown
    Adams Dubrovna: Nice Neela
    Solobill Laville: Otherwise you feel normal, Adams?
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes
    Solobill Laville: ok
    Solobill Laville: good
    Neela Blaisdale: Adams sometimes what you eat or drink before bed has an effect on your later sleep.
    Adams Dubrovna: A couple of weeks ago I had a good deal of agitation with my selves (self) but that seems to have resolved itself
    Adams Dubrovna: My diet hasn't changed
    Adams Dubrovna: It is still bad
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Solobill Laville: chili and beer before bed...
    Adams Dubrovna: not that bad :)
    Wol Euler raise an eyebrow. no wonder.
    Solobill Laville: Hey, Neela, tell us more about your retreat!

    We gave Neela some time and noticed she wasn't responding...

    Solobill Laville throws popcorn at Neela
    Solobill Laville: maybe she's already gone ;)
    Wol Euler: she's gone into post-election euphoria again.
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Neela Blaisdale: sorry phone call
    Solobill Laville: np
    Wol Euler: :) hp
    Solobill Laville: we're just teasing you anyway :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :) going to a place called Kripalu in the Berkshires
    Wol Euler googles
    Solobill Laville: Interesting
    Neela Blaisdale: when Ive gone there before it has been foor a specific class this time no agenda
    Solobill Laville: ooh, sounds nice
    Neela Blaisdale: can meditate as much as I want, very peaceful
    Neela Blaisdale: so lots of time for PaB
    Wol Euler: oh that does sound good, neela.
    Adams Dubrovna: The berkshires are a beautiful place for peace and quiet
    Neela Blaisdale: yes I planned it before I went away thinking if Obama lost I was going to be in a bad way and if
    he won I was going to be tired, which I am, and need to recharge
    Solobill Laville: Good planning!
    Adams Dubrovna: Sorry, I have to run. really good to see you all. Glad you can go in a good frame of mind :)
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Adams
    Wol Euler: bye adams, enjoy the afternoon
    Adams Dubrovna: bye everyone :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :) luckily my family is very understanding and have gotten things planned ahead for them
    Neela Blaisdale: Bye Adams good to see you
    Neela Blaisdale: too late..
    Solobill Laville: They sound well trained ;)
    Neela Blaisdale: yes my youngest is 16 so by now...
    Solobill Laville: yup. cereal + milk = breakfast. :)
    Neela Blaisdale: yes
    Wol Euler: what, you mean that isn't breakfast?
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Solobill Laville: I am looking at a couple of local groups that I am considering getting involved with
    Solobill Laville: I've gone it alone for a long time...
    Wol Euler: mm?
    Neela Blaisdale: what kind of groups?
    Solobill Laville: Zen Temple
    Wol Euler: ah
    Neela Blaisdale: have many near you?
    Solobill Laville: a few, but none have really "done it for me"
    Solobill Laville: Though they deserve a fair chance..
    Neela Blaisdale: Around where I live and in the Berkshires lot of Theravadic tradition
    Solobill Laville: That is great
    Neela Blaisdale: not sure how much Zen
    Solobill Laville: Much is so fundamentally the same
    Neela Blaisdale: have you gone to any of the special meetings? wondered how that was working
    Wol Euler shakes her head.
    Wol Euler: not yet
    Solobill Laville: Do you mean the Pema and Stim talk, then 30 minutes of discussion? If so yes
    Neela Blaisdale: how was that?  I found the description a little confusing
    Solobill Laville: I thought it was great.
    Solobill Laville: I noted at the end, that it really was somewhat of a "table of contents"
    Solobill Laville: that really framed the whole idea of PaB
    Solobill Laville: not much can really be covered in 30 minutes
    Neela Blaisdale: Hmm.... when was that meeting? I'll try to look at the log
    Solobill Laville: Tuesday, 13:00
    Solobill Laville: I was thinking to suggest, that for those types of meetings
    Neela Blaisdale yearns for the simple days
    Solobill Laville: Pema and Stim (or whoever) should maybe consider going voice

    Threedee joins us.

    Wol Euler: hello threedee!
    Solobill Laville: then switching back to text
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi #
    Neela Blaisdale: 3
    Threedee Shepherd: hi folks
    Solobill Laville: Hiya, THree!
    Solobill Laville: Describe the simple days Neela... :)
    Threedee Shepherd: Just got a break so I am able to join in.
    Solobill Laville: (Three was there Tuesday as well)

    Pema joins us, quickly followed by Quilty.

    Wol Euler: hello pema
    Neela Blaisdale: when the exercise of PaB was simple and the meeting schedule not so complex
    Wol Euler: ah.
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Pema
    Solobill Laville: Ah
    Threedee Shepherd: hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Solobill Laville: Hey, Quilty and Pema!
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi all.
    Neela Blaisdale: Also I never like change anyway
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Wol Euler: quilty! hello
    Threedee Shepherd: hi Quilty
    Neela Blaisdale: not very Buddhist, get too attached!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi.

    Quilty was wearing a great t-shirt with an astromonical image of galaxies spreading outward from a spot in the middle of his chest.

    Solobill Laville: Hey, Quilty, I think you may have spilled some Universe on your shirt :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Pema Pera: Thanks for your detailed report, Solo!

    Pema was referring to a directed PaB that I spent three days on then wrote a report on the past-present-future-no-time concept.

    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Solobill Laville: yw
    Quilty Bookmite: Oops I am a messy eater.
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Quilty Bookmite: It's a globular cluster I think.
    Pema Pera: Quilty playing as Black Hole?
    Solobill Laville: oh, yes, those are messy
    Quilty Bookmite: Yep. :-)
    Pema Pera: yes, it is a globular cluster, indeed, a pretty photograph!
    Quilty Bookmite: It's the sauce.
    Solobill Laville: lol
    Pema Pera: (but don't ask me which one -- they all look alike to me :-)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Quilty Bookmite: Me too.
    Threedee Shepherd: "Seen one universe, you've seen them all ;D"
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Wol Euler: beat me to it, 3.
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Threedee Shepherd: :)
    Solobill Laville: We were just talking a bit about the format from Tuesday
    Solobill Laville: 13:00
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: what's the verdict?
    Solobill Laville: I really liked it
    Wol Euler: good idea.
    Pema Pera: glad to hear that!
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes, I agree.
    Pema Pera: I hope that others will volunteer to be discussants too
    Pema Pera: I'm certainly happy to talk with anyone, and I'm equally happy to see others talk with each other, in that format
    Quilty Bookmite: I may if I can think of a suitable subject and someone who is willing to talk to me about it.
    Threedee Shepherd: Two things +/- : I liked a concerted, continuous conversation on one topic; I find that when I am in a group just listening, without the "opportunity" to speak (break in), even if I do not, that my attention wanders
    Solobill Laville: Would it be a consideration to have the 2 people use voice in that 30 minutes to cover more? then switch to text for group discussion?
    Pema Pera: One option is to pick a subject and write to the PaB email group, asking who wants to discuss it, Quilty
    Neela Blaisdale more technology to learn
    Wol Euler: I really dislike voice, my sound quality is just abysmal.
    Quilty Bookmite: Sounds good Pema.
    Wol Euler: but that is just my problem perhaps
    Solobill Laville: Well, then, we shouldnt' use it

    A freshly-born avatar wandered in.

    Neela Blaisdale: hello ****
    Solobill Laville: Hiya,****!
    Wol Euler: hello ****
    Pema Pera: the drawback of voice is that those not present will never know what was discussed
    ****: hi
    Pema Pera: Hi ****!
    Quilty Bookmite: I would have to find a quiet place in order to use voice.
    Neela Blaisdale: Have you been here before ****?
    Threedee Shepherd: anyone else have my attention experience?
    Pema Pera: ****, come join us
    Wol Euler: that is a great disadvantage in my eyes, pema.
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi ****.
    ****: no never
    Solobill Laville: Well, the thought would be only the two presenters would use it, so it wouldn't be a a problem if/when anyone else presented
    Solobill Laville: Can I give you a notecard about our group ****?
    Neela Blaisdale: See you're newly born ****, congratulations!

    "****" vanished.  But just as quickly, a new avatar joined us.

    Wol Euler: ping!
    Pema Pera: Hi *******!
    Solobill Laville: that'd be a no.
    Solobill Laville: ;)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Pema Pera: Come join us if you like
    Wol Euler: must have taken you for a Jehovah's Witness
    Quilty Bookmite: It's scary when you get thust into the world like that.
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Solobill Laville: I have that look, perhaps :)
    Neela Blaisdale: yes have some traumatic memories of trying to walk!
    Pema Pera: *******, we're in informal group
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi *******
    Wol Euler: hello *******, welcome to SL! born today.
    Pema Pera: talking about many things, including the nature of reality . . .:-)
    Threedee Shepherd: The first event of a newborn giraffe's life is a six-foot fall to the ground, mothers give birth standing up
    Wol Euler: right-click on a cushion and select "sit", *******
    Neela Blaisdale: gets the giraffe used to life!
    Wol Euler: hehehe, true
    Pema Pera: you were almost there, *******
    Pema Pera: do you see the pie diagram, when you right-click?
    Neela Blaisdale: put your cursor on a cushion, when its a hand then right click
    The new avatar was trying to sit but ended up right in front of me / on my lap.
    *******: ))))
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)

    She found a seat on a cushion.

    Solobill Laville: Yes! Good job, it is challenging
    Quilty Bookmite: Becomes second nature after a little while.
    Pema Pera: Have you seen other parts of Second Life, so far, *******?
    Neela Blaisdale: whoops
    Wol Euler: heheheeh
    Wol Euler: newborns need a lot of sleep :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Threedee Shepherd: one more try at eliciting a response, earlier I said "Two things +/- : I liked a concerted, continuous conversation on one topic; I find that when I am in a group just listening, without the "opportunity" to speak (break in), even if I do not, that my attention wanders
    Solobill Laville: Three, getting back to your point earlier, so you think 30 minutes is too long? Or should folks
    break in whenever they have a question?
    Solobill Laville: jinx
    Threedee Shepherd: hmm?
    Solobill Laville: I responded to you by asking a question just now, same time :)
    Solobill Laville: Should say, "do you think..."
    Threedee Shepherd: I'm not sure. I find it interesting that "attention" is a function of "intention availability"
    Neela Blaisdale: welcome back *******
    Threedee Shepherd: However, it could be just me.
    Solobill Laville: I could see that
    Neela Blaisdale: I gave you a notecard on our group. Sorry to interrupt 3
    Solobill Laville: But that could be based on the topic and its relevance to you or anyone
    Threedee Shepherd: Still another possible format is to heve one/two guardians prepare a written (e-mailed) statement that is then immediatrely discussed by all at the meeting.
    *******: sorry, i'm bad speak English)))))
    Pema Pera: what language do you speak, usually?
    Neela Blaisdale: me/ thinks writing and reading sound like a lot of work, can't keep up already
    *******: Russia)))))
    Quilty Bookmite: Sorry, I need to go.
    Neela Blaisdale: Bye Quilty
    Wol Euler: bye quilty, enjoy the eveing.
    Pema Pera: Ah, sorry, *******, I don't speak Russian
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye all.
    Pema Pera: Threedee, that's certainly an interesting idea
    Pema Pera: if you can find someone willing to do that, that would be fine -- but as Neela said, it'll be extra work Threedee Shepherd: Even a conversation between "talking heads" on TV differs from a conversation in SL in one crucial aspect. Namely, the camera continuously changes angle/viewpoint. And, each one of those cut/jumps automatically catches the attention of the motion sensitive part of vision, and draws you back.
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Pema Pera: Well, why not try both formats?
    Threedee Shepherd: Certainly. No formats are mutually exclusive.
    Neela Blaisdale: Interesting because I find herde I'm always playing with the camera view
    Solobill Laville: me too
    Wol Euler: yes, me too :)
    Pema Pera: same here :)
    Wol Euler: jeheheheh
    Threedee Shepherd: not me, so we may have discovered something here ^.^
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Wol Euler: fascinating.
    Solobill Laville: An outlier... :)
    Wol Euler: do you find one viewpoint and stick to it?
    Threedee Shepherd: ...my fate ;D ...
    Pema Pera: We can ask storm to program a balloon to fly in circles around the pavilion, 3D, and you can ride in it!
    Solobill Laville: It does help to move the camera I find
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Threedee Shepherd: I usually try to *see everyone at once. Occasionally I may change viewpoint.
    Solobill Laville thinks we are most likely all outliers in some regard
    Wol Euler nods
    Pema Pera: :-)


    I popped on my translator...

    Solobill's translator: Ready to translate
    Solobill's translator: Setting They Speak: ru
    *******: I'm go. Thanks! Goodby!
    Solobill's translator: *******: I'm go. Thanks! Goodby!
    Wol Euler: bye *******, enjoy SL
    Solobill's translator: Wol Euler: bye *******, enjoy SL
    Threedee Shepherd: as long as we are not called out-liars, that's fine with me ;D
    Solobill's translator: Threedee Shepherd: as long as we are not called out-liars, that's fine with me; D
    Solobill Laville: Goodbye, *******!
    Solobill's translator: Прощай, *******!
    Pema Pera: bye *******, thanks for stopping by!
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Solobill's translator: Pema Pera: bye *******, thanks for stopping by!
    Solobill's translator: Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: well done solo
    Solobill's translator: Wol Euler: well done solo
    Solobill Laville: Well, she did pretty much sit in my lap ;)
    Solobill Laville: Did I say that??
    Solobill Laville: ;)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: we won't tell
    Wol Euler: oh, where did Neela go?
    Threedee Shepherd: brb
    Solobill Laville: I'm a married avatar!!
    Solobill Laville: must've crashed
    Pema Pera: well, I'm going to the Kira Cafe, where Happy Hour is starting :-) So much to do in SL . . . .
    Pema Pera: good seeing you all here!
    Solobill Laville: :) Have one for us!
    Wol Euler: ah, yes! shall we adjourn?
    Wol Euler: (sorry, solo, not to step on ypur toes as GoC)
    Solobill Laville: Sure.
    Solobill Laville: No, no, that is JUST FINE, Wol
    Wol Euler: :-P
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