2008.11.14 13:00 - Remembrance

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    Solobill was the guardian, the comments are his.

    I arrived at the new pavilion early to set up a tv as I wanted to share a remarkable short video and then discuss it...But I could not get it working in time. 


    Wol Euler: hello solo, adams
    Wol Euler: wow, that is a biiiiiig tv.
    Solobill Laville: Ugh...
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Wol and Bill :)
    Wol Euler: planning on watching someting later on?
    Solobill Laville: Hi, you two!
    Solobill Laville: I wanted to...but I think it is an "owner" permissions issue
    Wol Euler: do you get an error mesage?
    Solobill Laville: not this time...which made me try harder
    Wol Euler: :)
    Solobill Laville: thought i had a chance
    Adams Dubrovna: ?
    Solobill Laville: to play this video with this cool new player
    Solobill Laville: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
    Wol Euler: does it play parcel media or does it have its own source?
    Solobill Laville: it is 20 minutes long, but pretty great
    Wol Euler: a drum solo?
    Solobill Laville: well, i don't know what parcel is, so I don't know....
    Solobill Laville: uh, drum solo??
    Wol Euler: (sorry, had an alcoholic dinner again. Will try to control myself...)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Solobill Laville: ahhh, I doubt I can keep up with you then... :)
    Wol Euler: well, what other kind of video could be 20 minutes long?
    Solobill Laville: ah! got it now...hehe
    Solobill Laville: the obligatory arena rock drum solo
    Wol Euler: that's the one!
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Solobill Laville: I thought it would be interesting to watch the video then chat about it
    Solobill Laville: oh, well
    Solobill Laville: It is about a woman, a neuro-scientist
    Solobill Laville: who actaully studies brain function and chemistry
    Solobill Laville: but then has a stroke
    Wol Euler: let's give it another try then. How do you tell the screen which video to play?

    I hesitated at Wol's generous offer to use her technical savvy to solve this problem as I didn't want to get "mired down" in tech stuff, due I'm sure to user-error (me).

    Solobill Laville: :)
    Wol Euler: (actually it might be easier for us all just to watch separetely in a browser...)
    Solobill Laville: ah, too true, if you're willing...and interested
    Adams Dubrovna can't use sound here but could see you two another time
    Solobill Laville: no, let's just talk then
    Solobill Laville: !
    Wol Euler: ok, we can discuss it another time.
    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: Maybe we can have a spot where we could have some type of multimedia just always available

    How about a multi-media room at the PaB library??

    Solobill Laville: anyway :)
    Adams Dubrovna: maybe storm could have the pond convertable into video
    Wol Euler: !
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Solobill Laville: that'd be cool
    Solobill Laville: so, what's up, folks?

    A long pause ensued...

    Adams Dubrovna doesn't have much to talk about either :)
    Solobill Laville: How are you feeling Adams?
    Wol Euler: are you sleeping?
    Adams Dubrovna: Pretty good. Thank you both for asking. I have have slept pretty well two of the last three nights. Maybe the ole body is settling down
    Wol Euler: good!
    Adams Dubrovna: Or it might just be tired
    Adams Dubrovna: We'll see
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: How are you two?
    Solobill Laville: The body can surely drag down the rest of ya...
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Adams Dubrovna: I am finding that out
    Solobill Laville: I'm ok. Weirdly fluctuating lately.
    Wol Euler: oh?
    Solobill Laville: It may be due to illness - family has strep.
    Wol Euler: oh dear!
    Adams Dubrovna: Oh, that's a drag
    Solobill Laville: Amoxicillin to the rescue... :)
    Wol Euler nods
    Solobill Laville: But I have been a bit less patient than I usually am
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes, that can happen as one gets stressed

    The "School-Exchange-Germ Theory"

    Adams Dubrovna: I had a friend who had a theory that each school has a number of illnesses and that everytime children change schools they bring home a whole new group of illnesses
    Wol Euler: my mother the teacher would agree.
    Adams Dubrovna: My experience would tend to confirm the theory
    Solobill Laville: I can only imagine there must be trust in that, as the virus' change
    Solobill Laville: (and bacteria)
    Solobill Laville: *truth in that...sheesh
    Wol Euler: an amusing typo :)
    Solobill Laville: some are
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: perhaps a truthful typo, actually.
    Wol Euler: maybe that is why we like our own group and distrust other groups?
    Adams Dubrovna: haha
    Wol Euler: I know your germs already, they won't hurt me.
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Wol Euler: (going back 150,000 years...)
    Adams Dubrovna: That is one of many things :)

    Adams turned us in a new direction.

    Adams Dubrovna: But there are good examples of mass deaths from meeting a new group
    Solobill Laville: Uh, Native Americans come to mind
    Wol Euler: when the Spanish introduced smallpox to the Carribbean for example
    Solobill Laville: yup
    Adams Dubrovna: and siphyllis
    Wol Euler: ... though they claimed to have got that there :)
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Solobill Laville: Or the Flu pandemic of the early 20th century
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, killed more people than WW1
    Solobill Laville: yes, though perhaps less violently
    Wol Euler: true. I've been reading about Passchendaele recently, because of November 11 (remembrance day)
    Solobill Laville: What is Passchendaele?
    Adams Dubrovna: ditto
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Wol Euler: WW1, one of the last major battles. The third battle of the Somme Ypres.
    Wol Euler: end of 1917, start of 1918.
    Wol Euler: at least half a million men died, about a quarter of whom simply disappeared. Blown to bits or drowned in the mud.
    Solobill Laville shakes his head
    Wol Euler: it was a significant event in my family because two of my grandmother's brothers died there.
    Solobill Laville nods
    Wol Euler: they were mourned at every family meeting.
    Solobill Laville: English? German?
    Adams Dubrovna: Some big scars
    Wol Euler: English, my father is from London.
    Solobill Laville nods
    Wol Euler: now that you mention it, there is (compared to England and Canada) very little made of the war(s) here.
    Adams Dubrovna: I can understand that
    Solobill Laville: Probably a bit of culturally intentional ambiguity
    Solobill Laville: (Adams said it better) :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Adams Dubrovna: Interestingly enough November 11 also is armistace day and is celebrated as Veteran's Day in US
    Solobill Laville: yes
    Wol Euler: yes, indeed. I'd forgotten that name. Do you wear poppies?
    Adams Dubrovna: Hmmmm. They used to sell us cloth poppies when I was in school
    Wol Euler smiles. Right.
    Solobill Laville: I am not aware of that tradition
    Wol Euler: oh!
    Adams Dubrovna: Now Veteran's day is not a major celebration except for the veterans
    Solobill Laville: That is true
    Adams Dubrovna: Only state and federal workers get the day off
    Adams Dubrovna: workers
    Wol Euler: "In Flanders Fields the poppies grow/between the crosses, row on row"
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Flanders_Fields
    Solobill Laville: I know that line
    Wol Euler: yep, that is why we wear (wore) the poppy.
    Solobill Laville nods

    From WWI to Vietnam.

    Adams Dubrovna: The Vietnam War changed attitudes in US
    Wol Euler nods
    Solobill Laville: Iraq isn't helping much
    Adams Dubrovna: No
    Solobill Laville: Though I can't speak from seeing the attitudes before Vietnam
    Solobill Laville: (just a twinkle in the eye back then)
    Solobill Laville: ;)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: I was alive but not really conscious of self or the world for much of it.
    Adams Dubrovna: World War II movies (and Westerns) dominated the culture
    Solobill Laville: Right, very heroic, just cause, etc
    Solobill Laville: oh, and Victorious endings
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, clear distinctions between good and bad guys
    Wol Euler: which got pretty damned murky around the time of My Lai
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Wol Euler: that confused the hell out of me, actually.
    Adams Dubrovna: before
    Solobill Laville: DId you know that 40,000 Hmong lost their lives fighting for the US in Vietnam?
    Wol Euler: I hope we said "thanks" before leaving.
    Solobill Laville: I think we forgot
    Solobill Laville: (thinks this a November 11th discussion)
    Wol Euler: a few days late...
    Solobill Laville: just a few days late :)
    Solobill Laville: Wol!
    Adams Dubrovna: The losses have been hidden from us
    Wol Euler: snap
    Solobill Laville: yes they have, Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: no coffins, no burials
    Wol Euler: and the little side wars too. Like the special ops squads inside Iran now.
    Adams Dubrovna: Then there are the number of Iraqi dead
    Wol Euler: or nixon bombing cambodia.
    Adams Dubrovna: and the resulting mass murders
    Adams Dubrovna wonders if he will sleep tonight

    Oh no!

    Solobill Laville: Rats
    Wol Euler: oh dear. that wasn't the purpose...

    Just then (at a perfect time to lighten the discussion) a newbie set to "run" waddled through the pavilion, the pool, and off into the Mieum sunset.

    Solobill Laville: Wow, that was interesting - a runner
    Adams Dubrovna wonders if anyone noticed the losing VP candidate trying to organize her party's governors into a new government
    Wol Euler speaks firmly and with confidence: Barack Obama will end that.
    Solobill Laville: ?
    Wol Euler: oooh
    Adams Dubrovna: The Florida press conference
    Solobill Laville: I don't even know what that means
    Adams Dubrovna: Palin had her first press conference in Florida with a large group of Republican governor's behind her and said that they would provide the leadership because those in Washington were too weak to lead
    Solobill Laville: Uhhhhh
    Solobill Laville: ok
    Wol Euler: treason. Arrest them.
    Wol Euler: let's not f*** about.
    Wol Euler: (pardon my french)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Adams Dubrovna picking himself up
    Solobill Laville: I don't think Palin recalls how the Federal Government functions
    Adams Dubrovna: recalls or learned?
    Wol Euler: I very much doubt that she knows.
    Adams Dubrovna: She knows her Machiavelli
    Solobill Laville: Uh, State Governors have not much power
    Wol Euler: eats it on toast every night.
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Solobill Laville: Just being nice :)
    Solobill Laville wonders why
    Adams Dubrovna: Bill?
    Solobill Laville: yes?
    Adams Dubrovna: haha. who is being nice?
    Solobill Laville: oh, yes...good point...
    Wol Euler: hehehehe
    Solobill Laville: nice-ish
    Solobill Laville: (not really)

    Wol brought up the "Intentionality" piece from the wiki (http://playasbeing.wik.is/Guardians%27_Contributions/Solobill/The_Spirit_of_Intentionality).

    Wol Euler: actually, solo, I was somewhat shocked by your questions about my intention in being at PaB (in the Intentionality page)


    I briefly misunderstood Wol here.

    Solobill Laville: I don't recall naming anyone, Ms. Euler...
    Wol Euler: shocked as in "jerked into a new awareness"
    Wol Euler: because I have no idea, truly not the faintest, what my intention in being here is.
    Solobill Laville: Intentionality isn't associated with a goal
    Solobill Laville: It can be, but not necessarily required, nor good
    Solobill Laville: Oh, I get it, sorry....a bit foggy here (reading back)
    Wol Euler: it did make me wonder, as Robert Plant said.
    Wol Euler: I think I'm here for the chat, to be quite honest.
    Solobill Laville: Does the chat affect the RL typist?
    Wol Euler: oh yes, definitely.
    Solobill Laville: And does that precipitate more chat?
    Wol Euler: so why do I immediately start a reply with "but"? hmmmm
    Solobill Laville: good question
    Wol Euler: eeeeeeenterestingk.
    Solobill Laville: yup
    Solobill Laville: I didn't expect much feedback from that little essay
    Solobill Laville: So, thanks!

    We moved into a more personal direction at this point.

    Wol Euler: I am sometimes quite painfully aware that I am one of the light-weight members of the group.
    Wol Euler: I seldom have any thing to say about the actual practices.
    Wol Euler: yw, thanks for making me think.
    Solobill Laville: The practices are just a tool
    Solobill Laville: And you add much to these talks
    Adams Dubrovna: Wol, I don't think you are one of the light-weight members of the group
    Solobill Laville was trying to figure out what that term might actually mean
    Solobill Laville and can't come up with it
    Wol Euler: it seems to me that I am always leading us off at tangents, putting in jokes and odd quotes.
    Wol Euler: there is a difference in quality and quantity between Stim's contributions and mine, for instance.

    I felt that I needed to reiterate...

    Solobill Laville: The practices are just a tool
    Wol Euler: true
    Wol Euler: (to solo)
    Solobill Laville: The outcomes and tastes and experiences are always of value to share
    Solobill Laville: You have shared some of those with me
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Solobill Laville: That is VALUE
    Solobill Laville: To all
    Adams Dubrovna: yes!
    Wol Euler smiles. thank you.
    Solobill Laville: Adams, of course, has done that as well
    Wol Euler: yes, both of you.
    Wol Euler: well, I wonder what I meant then?
    Solobill Laville: How so?
    Wol Euler struggles to figure it out.

    Adams succinctly explained the dynamic of these sessions.

    Adams Dubrovna: There are times when someone has something important to share or relate and we all listen respectfully. There are other times when no one has anything they aprticularly want to relate and then conversation seems to get silly
    Adams Dubrovna: I think they are two different times
    Adams Dubrovna: You have made helpful comments to me when I have talked about my experiences
    Adams Dubrovna: My experiences are directly related to some of the exercies
    Adams Dubrovna: They add a great deal
    Wol Euler smiles and nods. It was my pleasure, Adams; but _I_ was responding to you not to the exercises.
    Adams Dubrovna: I know, I was giving a hint :)
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Wol Euler: sorry, too much alcohol in the blood for hinting tonight.
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Solobill Laville: The hints need to be as strong as the brandy
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Adams Dubrovna: the exercises won't hurt you :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: it's odd, I feel that I have overcome much of my early doubt and resistance, but I still don't do them well or often.
    Solobill Laville: Then do something else. just do :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Doing them well is not necessary as you will see in my blog
    Wol Euler nods at Solo.
    Adams Dubrovna: I haven't made any sense of the APAPB exercise but when it do it I get results
    Wol Euler nods at Adams too.
    Adams Dubrovna: even though I do it terribly
    Wol Euler: well, thank you both for that. Maybe I'll see this differently in a few weeks, I am in a pretty grey state at the moment anyway. Even allowing for the schnapps

    And Wol was two steps ahead of us...

    Adams Dubrovna: But puleeeese don't stop coming :)
    Wol Euler: oh no!
    Wol Euler: I shall just continue to have a vague guilty conscience as I do.
    Wol Euler: and I shall definitely continue to shout
    Wol Euler: onigokko

    Off she went!

    Solobill Laville: There she goes again :)
    Adams Dubrovna: That should mix up the liquor :)
    Wol Euler: stop
    Solobill Laville: and here I am unprepared again
    Wol Euler: awwwww
    Wol Euler: it's funny how strong the emotional effect of SL is ...
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Solobill Laville: But SL is just the "thingy"
    Wol Euler: true, it is US not SL
    Solobill Laville: the emotional effect is the interplay between people
    Wol Euler: but I have tried plain-text chat before, it didn't have anywhere near this strong an effect.
    Solobill Laville: the outcome of the interplay
    Solobill Laville: That's cause you can see us, silly
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Wol Euler: true.
    Adams Dubrovna: We can let parts of our personality loose in our avatars
    Solobill Laville: And we change...
    Wol Euler: and it's odd that I do see "neela" whether I am looking at a horse or a woman

    I started to reminisce a bit about when I had first met Adams and Wol.

    Solobill Laville: You are both very different from when I met you ;)
    Adams Dubrovna: a horse now?
    Wol Euler: pegasus, this morning
    Adams Dubrovna: ah
    Wol Euler: ah, solo. interesting.
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes, interesting
    Solobill Laville: eeenterestingk
    Wol Euler: well, adams _is_ new of course!
    Adams Dubrovna: a new Adams
    Wol Euler: that too, solo :)
    Solobill Laville: I remember meeting Adams the first time....
    Adams Dubrovna: Oh?
    Solobill Laville: uh huh
    Adams Dubrovna: Trying to remember back.....
    Solobill Laville: You were with Delani (who I was meeting for the first time) at the Tea House
    Adams Dubrovna: I remember you talking about a retreat once
    Solobill Laville: you were sitting silently on the porch
    Adams Dubrovna: Maybe my first session
    Solobill Laville: maybe
    Solobill Laville: She was your caretaker, as I recall, that day
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: hmmm
    Solobill Laville: As in, she introduced you
    Solobill Laville: And brought you, (I think I recall that correctly)
    Adams Dubrovna: ah, that may have been my second session. Delani was at each
    Adams Dubrovna: No I brought myself

    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: And for Wol...hmmmm
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow
    Solobill Laville: Again PaB
    Solobill Laville: Either we had both been in attendance once or twice
    Solobill Laville: Or it was at the session where we ended talking about architecture
    Wol Euler smiles as she remembers.
    Wol Euler: I think you met my alt first, actually. I also remember feeling vaguely uneasy when Wol met you after that, as though I was being somehow underhanded.
    Solobill Laville: Yes, but didn't know that until MUCH later ;)
    Adams Dubrovna had one of those sessions where he felt underhanded
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: and I wondered whether I should have introduced myself more completely :)
    Wol Euler: but it has always been my typist's habit to keep the alts separate.
    Solobill Laville: I recall putting it together... ;)
    Solobill Laville: (For Adams that is)
    Adams Dubrovna: Ah
    Solobill Laville: It is all just SL... :)
    Adams Dubrovna: When I started it took me a long time to figure out who was who, there seemed to be so many people
    Adams Dubrovna: to sort out
    Wol Euler: well like joining any group, really :) RL is like that for me too
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, of course
    Adams Dubrovna: but it was important part of my experience here
    Solobill Laville: Pretty amazing stuff :)

    We say our goodbyes.

    Adams Dubrovna: Been good talking to you
    Solobill Laville: Good luck with the project, Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: thanks, it is going well right now
    Wol Euler: take care, adams, hope to see you on the weekend. But not too early!
    Solobill Laville: Excellent
    Adams Dubrovna: I'll be around over the weekend :)
    Wol Euler smiles
    Adams Dubrovna: bye then :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight adams.
    Solobill Laville: See you Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: good night all :)

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    Originally written on 11:36, 19 Nov 2008
    What amazing talk... thank you for the video link Solo ^^
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