2008.11.28 01:00 - 360 degrees of choices

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    Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session.

    Becka Finesmith: hi Wol
    Wol Euler: morning becka
    Wol Euler chuckles at Becka's t-shirt.


    Becka is wearing an astronomy-twittering t-shirt, whose punchline I can't remember. Sigh. Trust me that it was pretty and funny.

    Wol Euler: were you following @MarsPhoenix?
    Becka Finesmith: Yes. I was following Mars Phoenix
    Wol Euler: I was surprised at how very sad I was when it/she stopped.
    Becka Finesmith: SORRY - vERY BAD LAG :(
    Wol Euler smiles and nods. It happens...
    Becka Finesmith: yes. But we have Nasakepler now :)
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Becka Finesmith: and a couple of others
    Becka Finesmith: won't be the same though
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Becka Finesmith: you were following too?
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Becka Finesmith: :)
    Wol Euler: (well, the typist was. Wol doesn't have a twitter account)
    Wol Euler <- is a pedant.
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Becka Finesmith: Indeed
    Becka Finesmith: Because Typist would have to update Wols account and that would be to much :(
    Wol Euler: ah.
    Wol Euler sighs.
    Wol Euler: yes, I am neglecting certain things.
    Becka Finesmith: TEll me to mind my own business but what does the typist do for a lving?
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: the typist is a split creature: architect and database programmer/translator
    Becka Finesmith: Aha. An interesting mix
    Wol Euler: officially I am on "database" time now, but SL is important too.
    Becka Finesmith: Architect as in Buildings or systems? 
    Wol Euler: hello tarmel
    Becka Finesmith: Hi Tarmel
    Wol Euler: buildings, ATM working on a swimming pool and sauna complex
    Wol Euler: brand new project, won in a competition.
    Becka Finesmith: Oooh - Nice
    Tarmel Udimo: hello folks
    Wol Euler smiles, yes it's a nice job. Our second pool complex, or third if you count the pools in a hotel we built

    Tarmel joins us and the conversation turns to specialists and soldiery. 

    Wol Euler: it's odd how one just drifts into being a specialist...
    Becka Finesmith smiles
    Becka Finesmith: yes - Show aptitude for something and the job is yours :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Becka Finesmith: (Job of specialist that is)
    Becka Finesmith: It always seems a misnomer when they call and astronaut a specialist
    Wol Euler: or a soldier ...
    Becka Finesmith: because they never say at what
    Becka Finesmith: yes. Soldiers have to be good at everything too
    Wol Euler: one would hope so.
    Tarmel Udimo: i can't imagine playing that role
    Becka Finesmith: Of Soldier?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Becka Finesmith: me neither
    Tarmel Udimo: and yet some people are born for it or into it
    Wol Euler nods. We are the first (or second) generation that didn't have to play the role.


    Authority, and the fate of IBM. 

    Becka Finesmith: For a start, I'm not to good with authroity
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh a rebel
    Becka Finesmith: authority
    Becka Finesmith smiles
    Becka Finesmith: Always swimming against the tide it seems
    Wol Euler: or did you mean "exercising authority"?
    Wol Euler: ah, ok
    Tarmel Udimo: smiles
    Becka Finesmith: No - not good at accepting authority
    Wol Euler nods. That would be difficult as a soldier, yes :)
    Wol Euler: but also in many desk jobs ...
    Becka Finesmith: Yes. It can make you a little unpopular with the grown ups
    Becka Finesmith: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: and yet these days we have all become desk job jockeys because of computers
    Wol Euler: true.
    Wol Euler: it's hard to believe that this MacBook on which I am watching these pixels type, is the same kind of machine as the "computer" that filled two rooms on which I learned 30 years ago
    Tarmel Udimo: so Wol is in germany where are you becka?
    Tarmel Udimo: has it been 30 years
    Becka Finesmith: I'm in the UK
    Wol Euler laughs and sighs. It has indeed.
    Tarmel Udimo: oh yes perhaps you told me that
    Becka Finesmith: they have developed in such a short time. I have to say that Mac don't have the heritage PC's do :p
    Becka Finesmith: I don't remember Apple developing a mainframe :)
    Wol Euler: true; but the PCs don't have much in common with mainframes either.
    Becka Finesmith: Mind you, IBM don't manufacture PC's anymore
    Becka Finesmith nods
    Wol Euler: do they manufacture anything these days? Haven't heard the name in ages
    Becka Finesmith: they own Lotus
    Becka Finesmith: erm.....
    Becka Finesmith: Lexmark
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Becka Finesmith: I think you can still buy thinkpads


    Sunshine at midnight? Time is relative.

    Tarmel Udimo: is this meant to be 1:13 am in the morning/midnight? - why is it this light?
    Becka Finesmith: lol - Good point
    Wol Euler: ah, the day cycle is shorter in SL.
    Wol Euler: there is a sunrise/sunset every 8 hours
    Tarmel Udimo: true ot false? smiles
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh that explains it
    Tarmel Udimo: so it will take many revolutions for me to be here at 1am and for it to be dark
    Wol Euler: well, you can set the sun to "midnight" in the environment editor ...
    Becka Finesmith: My Chimes almost coincide with the bell here now
    Becka Finesmith: It has caught up :)
    Becka Finesmith: I wonder if the saying "You have a long way to go before you catch up with me" has any truth :)
    Becka Finesmith: SHould be "You have a long time to go ....."
    Wol Euler smiles. Care to elaborate on that?
    Wol Euler: ah, I see. yes, it's not about distance as such. right.
    Tarmel Udimo: that was funny I think
    Becka Finesmith: Well, Time is relative. Technically, given enough time, people at two different ages could eventually catch up with one oanother
    Wol Euler: ... or given a fast rocket.
    Tarmel Udimo: you've seen that movie with the matrix guy
    Becka Finesmith nods
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh the matrix, i was thnking about that movie today
    Wol Euler: mm?


    The conversation finally arrives at overtly PaBbish matters. 

    Tarmel Udimo: I take a bit of latitude with my 9 sec moments
    Becka Finesmith: I've been using a chimed reminder. I wanted to be able to do it without but I don't think that's going to work
    Becka Finesmith: because if I am engrossed in something, time contracts
    Wol Euler: oh yse
    Becka Finesmith: I will end up only doing the practice every hour
    Becka Finesmith: If I am bored, I will want to do it every 5 minutes
    Becka Finesmith: (Not that I get bored often)
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Wol Euler: um, would that be bad?
    Tarmel Udimo: today it was a life saver
    Tarmel Udimo: it kept reminding me to breathe
    Becka Finesmith: @wol I guess not
    Wol Euler nods to Tarmel.
    Becka Finesmith: Tarmel? Do you forget otherwise?
    Tarmel Udimo: you mean trying to remember and timing it in some way?
    Tarmel Udimo: opps sorry i realise i made a pun i was actually being semi-serious
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Tarmel Udimo: I was feeling flat today and the 9 secs kept allowing me to see things in a more positive light
    Becka Finesmith: That's excellent
    Tarmel Udimo: yes life safer
    Wol Euler: very good.
    Becka Finesmith: Now I'm doing the practice regularly, I'm still really trying to find my feet with it
    Becka Finesmith: I'm not sure where my focus should be so It's on my breathing
    Wol Euler thinks that is as good a place as any :)
    Tarmel Udimo: which if you wanted to get deeper you could say by changing my head/heart space I gained more energy or access to energy
    Becka Finesmith: I would like it to be more of an awareness but I already stop and take in my surroundings
    Tarmel Udimo: meant that literally i was giving myself more "life'
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Becka Finesmith nods


    Umbriel and Faenik join us. 

    Becka Finesmith: morning umbriel
    Wol Euler: I use it as a kind of stock-taking: where am I? is it a good place?
    Wol Euler: hello umbriel
    Tarmel Udimo: yes?
    Wol Euler: as a kind of reality-check on my feelings :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hello umbriel
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Wol Euler: metta :)
    Tarmel Udimo: and how were your feelings today?
    Wol Euler: so far, fine :)
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^ apologies I'm late...
    Faenik: ah :)
    Wol Euler: no worries, we saved you a cookie
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh of course you've just started :)
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, been up for just under an hour. On my second cup of coffee
    Becka Finesmith: You were feeling quite down the other day. Have things improved?
    Wol Euler: ah, yes. it was a delightful day!
    Wol Euler: just goes to show that one can never really predict other people or situations
    Wol Euler: or even oneself. In the end it was an operating system error, as I expected, but I didn't rage and stamp my feet at all :)
    Wol Euler: stayed cool and happy, and enjoyed a pleasant day out of the office
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Umbriel Levenque: How did you keep cool and happy?
    Wol Euler: partly it was situational: sitting in sunshine, nice company, comfortable chair, tasty coffee :)
    Faenik: why not?
    Wol Euler: so I was predisposed to be happy.
    Wol Euler: but it was also a choice I made. I arrived at teh decision point: rage or accept?
    Wol Euler: and decided to accept.
    Tarmel Udimo: yes choice is a key word
    Becka Finesmith: good for you :) Now I want to be able to do that when I got beyond the point where I can rationalise it :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: true, and I can't always do it either.


    Situations and choices, and our title. 

    Tarmel Udimo: and of course one is making 360 degrees of choices all the time
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Wol Euler: but it is a choice and knowing that makes the handling of the situation easier.
    Becka Finesmith: Sometimes it doesn't feel that way though does it
    Becka Finesmith: I WANT to reamin calm sometimes, but other things take over
    Becka Finesmith: and I feel sad, or angry
    Wol Euler: oh no, life often seems to be offering you 0.72 degrees of choice.
    Becka Finesmith: precisley
    Tarmel Udimo: well that's way the whole notion of cause and effect is so fascinating
    Becka Finesmith: yes.
    Umbriel Levenque: um... what's is wrong with feeling sad or angry?
    Becka Finesmith: yes
    Becka Finesmith: It happens too often
    Wol Euler: ah.
    Becka Finesmith: often for no reason
    Becka Finesmith: I really have nothing to be either about
    Becka Finesmith: understanding why I am is the goal
    Becka Finesmith: I sound like a bundle of negative emotions but I'm really not
    Tarmel Udimo: i 0,72 defrees of choice - how about 100%
    Tarmel Udimo: *degrees
    Wol Euler smiles
    Becka Finesmith: That feeling would be nice
    Wol Euler: no more than anyone else, becka.
    Becka Finesmith smiles at wol
    Tarmel Udimo: you're just becoming more and more aware of the mood shifts and therefore you're getting closer to seeing more clearly
    Wol Euler nods.
    Becka Finesmith: That's a really nice way to see things - THank you
    Faenik: indeed
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: hwere is faenik?
    Becka Finesmith: On Umbriels shoulder
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: I must get closer and look


    Becka departs. The subject drifts to travel and the changing weather.

    Becka Finesmith: :) Alas - I allow 30 minutes and that is long since past. I must leave :(
    Umbriel Levenque: Enjoy your day Becka
    Wol Euler: aww, becka, take care. enjoy the day.
    Becka Finesmith: I won't be around much now until Monday so have a lovely weekend.
    Wol Euler: you too.
    Becka Finesmith: Take care everyone
    Umbriel Levenque: Thank you, you too ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: bye have fun
    Becka Finesmith: namaste
    Wol Euler: bye
    Wol Euler: so, Umbriel, how are you today?
    Umbriel Levenque: Still half asleep heheheh thanks. You?
    Wol Euler: quite well.
    Wol Euler: looking forward to a slow day, alone in the office. I can work in peace and quiet
    Umbriel Levenque: Yes, sounds good
    Umbriel Levenque: Especially after a busy day out like yesterday no?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, though that too was fine in the end. I love riding trains on sunny days, so the twice two-nd-a-bit hour journey was an extra treat
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: trains?
    Tarmel Udimo: where were coming from and where were you going
    Wol Euler: a mode of transport much loved and widely used in Europe :)
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: I do love trains
    Wol Euler: fast and cheap-ish and comfortable
    Wol Euler: going from home (Stuttgart) to Freiburg on the Swiss border, riding down the Rhine valley
    Umbriel Levenque: [Not cheap... in UK]
    Wol Euler: (but the flat and broad southern valley, not the rocky northern part where the castles and the Lorelei peak are)
    Tarmel Udimo: either way it was I am sure a wonderful trip - very green and lush?
    Umbriel Levenque: Sounds lovely
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: even now in mid-November. only a few patches of snow in shady spots
    Tarmel Udimo: yes i forgot - snow
    Wol Euler: there has only been one _real_ winter since I moved to Germany 14 years ago
    Tarmel Udimo: that's been that way in CA too
    Tarmel Udimo: well still powerful and cold, but I've noticed that it gets some nice sunny days in between unlike when i lived there
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: global climatic change is a reality, anyone wiht one eye and a memory knows that.
    Tarmel Udimo: uhmmm
    Wol Euler feels a rant coming on and quickly bites her tongue.
    Faenik: could be
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: one of your favourite topics?
    Wol Euler: indeed.
    Wol Euler: though favourite in the way that a really messy crash on the highway draws one's attention.
    Tarmel Udimo: smiles
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Wol Euler bites down really hard.


    Tarmel kindly saves me from a meltdown by changing the subject to appearance (with a lower-case "a").

    Tarmel Udimo: so a new outfit?
    Wol Euler: thank you! change of topic!!
    Wol Euler: yes, a digital neko outfit :)
    Wol Euler: 1562 prims of gorgeousness!
    Tarmel Udimo: thought you might need it
    Wol Euler: not something I wear to the ETD sale :)
    Tarmel Udimo: ETD?
    Wol Euler: but it makes me feel cheerful to wear this.
    Wol Euler: ah! one of the best hair stores in SL. Elika Tiramisu Designs, I'll give you a LM
    Tarmel Udimo: okay
    Wol Euler: good and not too expensive, wide range, great colours. and some freebies too
    Tarmel Udimo: I have a strange feeling I'm always going to just end up looking like this
    Tarmel Udimo: :-)
    Wol Euler: but their sales are lag-festivals! you get 60+ avs in a sim and even the strongest server buckles at the knees
    Umbriel Levenque: heheheh, your AV rendering cost is indeed higher than usual Wol
    Wol Euler: people go naked and primless trying to be able to move at all
    Wol Euler: oh, this is nothing. I have an outfit that hits 10333.
    Umbriel Levenque: I haven't seen that one...
    Wol Euler: I'll wear that some day.
    Umbriel Levenque: ok ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: a fashion horse?
    Wol Euler: something like that, yes.
    Wol Euler: It amuses and pleases me to experiment with my appearance
    Faenik loves wells!
    Wol Euler: though my basic shape hasn't changed in months. I arrived at this body and face quite early on
    Wol Euler: tarmel, if you like, I coud arrange a little shopping trip. look at the options ...
    Wol Euler: maybe pick up Corvi too, she has a good eye.
    Wol Euler: gaya if she's around.
    Tarmel Udimo: okay except i think i'll be window shopping
    Wol Euler smiles. Wait and see...
    Umbriel Levenque: Sounds... like a lovely girlie get-together ^_^
    Wol Euler: though there is nothing wrong with sticking to an appearance. Many do.
    Wol Euler: it depends on what SL means to you, how you experience it.
    Tarmel Udimo: all that's missing is the champagne
    Wol Euler: !
    Tarmel Udimo: give me time I'm sure I'll get there
    Wol Euler nods.

    The joys of Second Life.

    Tarmel Udimo: what sl HAS given me is talking to like minded people and thats wonderful!
    Tarmel Udimo: in way more important than looks
    Wol Euler: oh yes. SL is a social concentrator.
    Wol Euler: think how many cities and how many thousands of kilometers separate us in RL, how would we meet?
    Wol Euler: and more to the point: how many years?
    Wol Euler: would we speak if we met on the streets of TO as strangers?
    Wol Euler: but here we do.
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: one of the questions I always ask my self
    Tarmel Udimo: yes but it sure ain't face book
    Wol Euler snorts coffee
    Umbriel Levenque: ^_^
    Tarmel Udimo: when was the last time you were in TO?
    Umbriel Levenque: um... what's TO?
    Wol Euler: May of last yer, for my father's 80th birthday. (Toronto, Ontario, where we both lived)
    Tarmel Udimo: sorry - Toronto
    Umbriel Levenque: ah...
    Tarmel Udimo: I was there in August, for my birthday
    Wol Euler: ah, just missed you then :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: what about you umbriel where are you?
    Umbriel Levenque: London here
    Tarmel Udimo: like becka
    Umbriel Levenque: Pounds yes ^_^
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Tarmel Udimo: smiles
    Umbriel Levenque: Not sure if I asked before... where are you based at in RL Tarmel?
    Wol Euler: (shall we stop the recorder?)
    Tarmel Udimo: just looked at your profile the quiet and far away?
    Umbriel Levenque: Sure Wol
    Wol Euler: the hour is up...
    Tarmel Udimo: I'm in Australia, Sydney
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh so it is
    Umbriel Levenque: AM Radio's group Tarmel, he creates amazing places
    Tarmel Udimo: not very PAB session
    Wol Euler: oooh, you MUST see the Far Away! lovely!!
    Umbriel Levenque: ah... Oz
    Wol Euler bangs her gavel.
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