2009.03.02 07:00 - Snow White

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Lots of greetings:

    Susi Alcott: hi buddha :)
    buddha Nirvana: Hi susi:)
    buddha Nirvana: hehe hi:)
    Susi Alcott: hi stargate
    buddha Nirvana: HI adams:)
    Susi Alcott: hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Susi, buddha, Stargate :)
    Stargate Tone: hi buddha, Adams, Susi
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema :)
    buddha Nirvana: Hi Pema:)
    Susi Alcott: hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Stargate Tone: hi Pema
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza, Chiaiu :)
    Pema Pera: and hi Chiaiu!
    Susi Alcott: hi Chiaiu
    Stargate Tone: Hi Chi
    Chiaiu Chiung: Hello everyone
    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!
    Pema Pera: closing notices?
    buddha Nirvana: Hi eliza:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Morning :)
    Susi Alcott: hi Eliza
    Stargate Tone: morning Eliza
    Chiaiu Chiung: hi eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Group Notices...miss one day and they pile up
    Adams Rubble: oh yes :)
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera: yes, I know the feeling ; + IMs, etc
    Indeed, it's amazing how many messages we sometimes have to wade through, especially when we are already a bit late for a meeting :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was PaB reading logs this morning offline and thought...why not go! :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: glad you made it, Eliza!
    Pema Pera: I only made it barely, through the snowstorm . . . . here in the New York area
    Pema Pera: it must affect you too, Adams?
    Pema Pera: (just arrived in princeton in time)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, I have an extra day of weekend :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks :) And yes! Even in Atlanta it is snowing... Have friends there who are delighted
    Adams Rubble: Sorry to hear Pema had to travel today
    Pema Pera: I love snow!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I like looking out my window at it :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Vendy!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Vendy
    Chiaiu Chiung: I like walking through it (but no snow here in germany)
    buddha Nirvana: HI Vendy:)
    Vendy Walpole: Hello to everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha..like me with rain storms...love it, when I don't have to drive
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: thank you pema for the transport
    Chiaiu Chiung: hi
    Pema Pera: I guess Vendy came here yesterday for the first time, only to be swept of her feet by Moon's onigokko . . . . must be a curious introduction to Play as Being
    Vendy Walpole: Pema*
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Susi Alcott: hi Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: hi
    Both Stargate and Susi were dressed in white.
    Pema Pera admiring the way Stargate and Susi are dressed like brother and sister :-)
    Stargate Tone: hi Vendy
    Stargate Tone: my this dress is a present from a friend :)*****
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: it looks nice!
    Pema Pera: like the snow outside my window
    Adams Rubble: It is very pretty Stargate :)
    Stargate Tone: felt more than honoured when I got it....
    Vendy Walpole: does it have some symbolic meaning?
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Vendy Walpole: but a secret?
    Vendy Walpole: smile
    Stargate Tone: no
    Stargate Tone: for all to see who wants :)****
    Stargate Tone: maybe Pema's thought was not so far from the truth :)*
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: the connection with the snow, you mean?
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: that too
    Adams Rubble: and Susi too :)
    Adams Rubble: like the snow
    Vendy Walpole: this dress reminds me on Angel in disguise
    Stargate Tone: but ...well..maybe more like a 'monk' :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Licia
    Vendy Walpole: Angel who came to chech the things here on Earth :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Licia
    Stargate Tone: thank you very much Vendy for your words <3
    Pema Pera: hi Licia
    Licia Cisse: hello...
    Vendy Walpole: I see it in that way :)
    Stargate Tone: hi LIcia
    Susi Alcott: hi Licia
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm
    This was Licia's first visit, seemingly not planned :).
    Licia Cisse: i'm sorry..i really don't know where i am now...
    Stargate Tone: ..thinking that it's much how my friend sees me....yet; he lemme to be a human being :)****
    Pema Pera: feel free to join us, Licia
    Pema Pera: take a seat!
    Adams Rubble: you are with friendly people Licia :)
    Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ yes Licia
    Licia Cisse: np
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice Stargate.
    Susi Alcott: >Pema's words
    Licia Cisse: my english is very poor...
    Licia Cisse: but thanx
    Vendy Walpole: mine too, plase have a patience
    Pema Pera: what is your native language, Licia?
    Pema Pera: Italiano?
    Licia Cisse: i'm frome rome...italian
    Pema Pera: welcome!
    Pema Pera: sono olandese
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble surprised to understand that
    Licia Cisse: please continue your conversation...
    Adams Rubble: we haven;t really started yet
    Susi Alcott: sad that I again must go
    Susi Alcott: have nice time
    Adams Rubble: bye Susi
    Pema Pera: bye Susi!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: We tend to give one another time and space, so language becomes way less of an issue than can be
    Vendy Walpole: bye
    Licia quickly zoomed in on a PaB-like topic:
    Licia Cisse: so you are talking about the nature of reality... thinghs like..quantuum..or energy ...or the map is not the territory???..:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Susi
    buddha Nirvana: C u Susi:)
    Stargate Tone: C U Susi
    Pema Pera: more the map is not the territory, Licia
    Eliza Madrigal: Licia, Oh sure...always have my attention there
    Pema Pera: we are trying to go beyond words
    Eliza Madrigal: Map is not the territory and PaB are very compatible ideas...having to do with boundaries and words
    Eliza Madrigal: ...The finger pointing at the moon not being the moon...
    Licia Cisse: i've studied brainwaves stuff... i practice meditation..and i think that "words" are a very poor way to describe reality..
    buddha Nirvana: What technique of meditation do you pratice, Licia?
    Licia Cisse: (absurd...i was searching a lesbian land..and i'm here talking to you now...someone would call it ..serendepity)
    Eliza Madrigal: Stumbled in
    Licia Cisse: I have my brainwaves record..i'm experiencing differents freq..
    Adams Rubble: Many of us have stumbled in :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Genesis!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Genesis
    Adams Rubble: Hello Genesis :)
    buddha Nirvana: Go well everyone, C u later :)
    Pema Pera: bye Buddha!
    Adams Rubble: bye buddha
    I tried to extend the saying, adding a third element.
    Pema Pera: You could even go one step further, and say that the map is not the territory is not reality -- these are three different things, map, territory, reality
    Pema Pera: territory is still a particular way to judge reality, not really open
    Eliza Madrigal: The map is not the territory makes me think immediately of approaching things "new"..not having fixed ideas about some things
    Eliza Madrigal: I see that too
    Pema Pera: yes, that is a great step! And then we can make a second stop
    Adams Rubble: Yes Eliza...so helpful
    Pema Pera: territory implies possession
    Eliza Madrigal: Does it
    Eliza Madrigal: Definition?
    Pema Pera: or at least it implies boundaries, borders, defenses
    Licia Cisse: no...territory in my vision implies environment...or the space where i live..mentally and phisically
    Eliza Madrigal: I thought that's what the map does
    Pema Pera: territorio
    Licia Cisse: i think it's a semantic different concept
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm...stretching to see third stop....might take a second
    Licia Cisse: yes...good italian Pema
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: interesting that this word has such different associations
    Pema Pera: of course we can choose how to use it
    Licia Cisse: yes...the confusion of languages...it's in the bible too...:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: That's what SL is for
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Vendy Walpole: I am sorry, I am distracted by Ims from a friend who has a problem, better to go to her, she needs me
    Pema Pera: yes, we are using words to go beyond words
    Pema Pera: bye Vendy!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: see you soon
    Adams Rubble: bye Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: Bye
    Licia Cisse: ciao Vendy
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye
    Vendy Walpole: friends....:)
    We all had our views on the notion of territory.
    Eliza Madrigal: For me the territory is wide open, and the map the boundaries imposed. And is the third being the territory?
    Eliza Madrigal: Or not.... Ok...will take much more than a second :)
    Adams Rubble: different kinds of maps
    Adams Rubble: some with boundaries, some without
    Pema Pera: take your time, Eliza :)
    Licia Cisse: different kinds of perceptions of reality (territory)..or maybe, multiples realities?
    Pema Pera: generally, when we draw maps, we draw maps of borders . . . they can be natural borders, but often they are political borders, which don't really exist in nature
    Pema Pera: so the concept of a country and armies to defend that country and borders is one step removed from nature
    Adams Rubble: yes..or of populations
    Pema Pera: and the map is two steps removed
    Pema Pera: a depiction of the idea of a country
    Pema Pera: the word "territorial" indicates that kind of limitation
    Pema Pera: but of course I'm happy to use the word in a more free sense, if we prefer :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I do see what you're saying....politically agreed upon lines...
    Chiaiu Chiung: a map is intentionally designed to simplify things
    Eliza Madrigal: Can be a fun way of thinking about words
    Chiaiu Chiung: if it is contrasted with terrritory
    Chiaiu Chiung: it makes sense to understand territory as open, or real
    Licia Cisse: i don't know..maybe we are a talking about two differents concepts...i mean territory as my reality...
    Pema Pera: that's fine too, of course!
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure...can blend though...an idealistic "world without maps"
    Eliza Madrigal: where no one "owns" lands...
    Licia Cisse: and my reality...have no borders...my territory (reality )depends by personal map
    Licia Cisse: and my map is different everyday
    Licia Cisse: (i hope u can understand my poor eng..and my poor concepts..:) )
    Pema Pera: your English is very very clear, Licia!
    Adams Rubble: yes, you speak very well
    Eliza Madrigal: Of course...and concepts are not poor
    Licia Cisse: thanx
    I threw the notion of appreciation into the mix.
    Pema Pera: we sometimes talk here about appreciation: about seeing everything as new, each moment
    Pema Pera: your map being new every day is probably very similar
    Chiaiu Chiung: maybe the first step to do without map finally
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, to be able to "drop" the map and see things anew..
    Chiaiu Chiung: the ultimate goal...
    Licia Cisse: i think appreciation is a sort of imposition... the way i draw my map depends by my states of mind...
    Pema Pera: imposition in what sense, Licia?
    Licia Cisse: i can be free to not see everything as new, each moment
    Licia Cisse: i repeat..it depends by my mind states
    Pema Pera: yes, we have that freedom
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm...I see appreciation as being the *point* of wanting to see things anew...enables a shedding of preconceived limitations maybe
    Licia Cisse: imagine your map ...then drink 3 vodka...your map would be really different... (it's a paradox)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd then rely on someone else's map to get home :)
    Licia Cisse: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Pema Pera: :)
    Licia talked about working with brain waves.
    Licia Cisse: as i said..i'm experiencing with brainwaves..as a game...but it's powerfull
    Eliza Madrigal: I certainly don't mean to classify maps as a negative...or territory...
    Licia Cisse: and in my experience..i can say that reality depends just by our mind state
    Pema Pera: do you think it might be possible to drop mind states, Licia?
    Chiaiu Chiung: to see only one reality?
    Pema Pera: or perhaps not even one . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm
    Licia Cisse: no..i think that there ara some particular mind states where you can really paint your reality
    Pema Pera: we are so used to jumping from state to state . . . a big question is whether it is possible to find an openness beyond states . . .
    Pema Pera: when we try to drop what we have to see what we are, perhaps it really is possible to drop all states
    Licia Cisse: well..try to hear a 10hz freq. for a 10 minutes...with your eyes closed
    Licia Cisse: it's easy...
    Licia Cisse: and it's great..you should try it..
    Chiaiu Chiung: what will happen?
    Licia Cisse: it's the same effect of meditation
    Chiaiu Chiung: how do you play the 10 hz, with headphones?
    Licia Cisse: you feel really relaxed..and really..you can see a lot of thinghs that generally are hidden by stress or other mental trash
    Chiaiu Chiung: or special speakers?
    Licia Cisse: wel..it's easy...there is a lot of software in the net
    Chiaiu Chiung: i know, but how to play it
    Chiaiu Chiung: my speakers are good, but i doubt they play 10 hz
    Licia Cisse: my preferred one is the older..and it's free...it's called Brainwave generator
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you talking about the new "meditation technology" ? holosync or something like that?
    Licia Cisse: well..if u will use it..remember to disable all the effects in your soundcard
    Licia Cisse: no...i don't like holosync
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been leary of that...
    Licia Cisse: bw gen is free..you can experience you freq
    And Eliza pointed out the portability of meditation.
    Eliza Madrigal: I like meditation because you take it everywhere...even in shower :)
    Licia Cisse: well...i was always stressed...then my ex bf (i'm les just in sl..) begin to use BWG...
    Licia Cisse: i can say it's powerfull...and the best thingh is that you can use it as you want..you can create your freq
    Chiaiu Chiung: how would you describe the effect it has on you?
    Licia Cisse: it's like meditation...
    Eliza Madrigal: Yesterday I stood with birds at a rehabilitation place....felt like their presence made me very peaceful....have been thinking about that a lot. We do "converse" brainwaves I'm sure.
    Licia Cisse: but it's faster
    Licia Cisse: there are a lot of scientific articles about binaural beats and bw...
    Eliza Madrigal: Which maybe opens up conversation about personal interaction with technology at some point
    Pema Pera: yes, an interesting topic!
    Pema Pera: Sorry, I have to go
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema
    genesis Zhangsun: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: nice seeing you all, nice meeting you, Licia!
    Licia Cisse: maybe my casual presence here is to move someone of you to try BW...:)
    Licia Cisse: ciao Pema
    Pema Pera: time will tell, Licia :-)
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    Licia Cisse: ok...
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm working on slow...right now...but I do find it interesting :)
    Licia Cisse: well...try it... type brainwave generator on google...
    Licia Cisse: download it
    Licia Cisse: and then try some preset
    Licia asked about the PaB chat logs
    Licia Cisse: hey..so you are recording this conversation...why?
    genesis Zhangsun: Well Licia for other members to read
    Licia Cisse: when i can read your past conv?
    Licia Cisse: ops..where...
    Eliza Madrigal: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    genesis Zhangsun: on our wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    genesis Zhangsun: hehe
    Licia Cisse: ok..
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: well all I must be going :)
    genesis Zhangsun: nice to meet you all
    Adams Rubble: bye Gen :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye genesis, nice to see you
    Chiaiu Chiung: me too
    Adams Rubble: I too must go :)
    genesis Zhangsun: see you later Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
    genesis Zhangsun: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Chiaiu, Nice to meet you, Bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams :)
    Licia Cisse: ciao
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye.. hope to see you again :)
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