2009.03.03 07:00 - Say it with a Smile

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle. The comments are by Riddle.

Not a very good title. I try to pick somebody elses subject matter or cute turn of phrase for a title.  Today, I said something about smiles at least 3 times.

Riddle Sideways: Morning Adams
Adams Rubble: Good Morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: I am having decisions problems over where to sit
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: morning Susi
Adams Rubble: Hello Susi :)
Susi Alcott: hi Riddle and Adams :)
Riddle Sideways: I never have a pre-set topic or agenda here
Riddle Sideways: there is a folder I keep notes of wanta talk abouts

Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: :)
Susi Alcott: (and I've never been the guardian of the slot)
Adams Rubble: Stim and Pema had a dialogue yesterday
Riddle Sideways: well, is not really the task of guardian to force a subject
Adams Rubble: :)
Susi Alcott: but got something such to read that I'm judged based on that I was...
Riddle Sideways: oh that is right

Adams Rubble: Stim said something I don;t think I had ever heard put that way before
Susi Alcott: I've understood that :)
Riddle Sideways: I missed it... of course
Adams Rubble: You may want to look for the exdact quote but I will tell how I understood it
Riddle Sideways: please do
Adams Rubble: in talking about the appreciation of the presence of appearance

Susi Alcott: I've understood that the guardian of the slot always asks if somebdoy has any wanted topic
Adams Rubble: Stim said that he sees appearance in the context of timelessness
Adams Rubble: no rules Susi :)
Susi Alcott: that's I've udnerstood too :)
Susi Alcott: the freedom here
Adams Rubble: I vowed to try that the next time I watched my thoughts
Adams Rubble: and did not get around to it until late last night
Adams Rubble: and within two seconds..
Adams Rubble: I began to see my troublesome thoughts related to every human being who ever lived
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: Words really do not do what I saw and justice
Adams Rubble: I suddenly began to see what pema had been saying to me these many months
Adams Rubble: about being able to retain our distractions while dropping them to "listen"
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adams Rubble takes a big brath
Riddle Sideways: ah, very good
Adams Rubble: breath
Adams Rubble: It is like the key for me
Riddle Sideways: words may not describe it
Adams Rubble will be quiet now and listen to what Riddle has to say :)
Riddle Sideways: but at some point, somebody will say some combination of words
Riddle Sideways: that are exactly what others have tried saying, but
Riddle Sideways: it will be what you can hear
Adams Rubble: yes :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Riddle Sideways: is funny, because we are so filled with joy (for ourselves) that we run out an repeat our special words
Riddle Sideways: to the rest of the world
Susi Alcott: sometimes I've asked some other person who I know to tell the same thing to some of my hellp needer when I've seen that the help needer has completley different 'pattern' as I have....
Riddle Sideways: and they mostly don't get the same thing
Adams Rubble: yes to both of you :)
Riddle Sideways: susi, that is a very good technique
Susi Alcott: hm
Riddle Sideways: I have used it with kids too
Adams Rubble: We all seem to touch each other at times though :)
Adams Rubble: Just the missing piece
Susi Alcott: hard to think that to be technique but ty for your words Riddle; I understand what you mean
Susi Alcott: that is so much depended on the 'colour of soul and spirit'
Susi Alcott: very different 'colour' is not so easy to receive always
Susi Alcott: but the same coloured persons do understand those 'between lines' like automatickly
Susi Alcott: maybe I call it to speak from mind to mind
Riddle Sideways: so hard to find what colour, words, etc. you can give another that will convey
Susi Alcott: which is a little bit different that to speak from heart to heart
Adams Rubble: It is so wonderful when two hearts are able to connect
Susi Alcott: ah...might that be something that people call to be the clairvoyage
Susi Alcott: but that I might call to be the speeche from heart to heart
Riddle Sideways: Even when/if we could speak heart-heart or mind-mind it might not work
Adams Rubble: and I think we do that here through the words
Adams Rubble: it may not work but it is felt
Adams Rubble: maybe that's just as important
Riddle Sideways: probably why it works here
Susi Alcott: >Adams; many do, but many speaks also 'the other languages'; mind and heart 'languages'
Adams Rubble: yes Susi. we speak both or all
Susi Alcott: what I've been thinking much is that because of missing voice is very big lag
Riddle Sideways: but, maybe not too
Susi Alcott: but yes; that is to 'replace' with speaking from heart to heart
Susi Alcott: as surely there's millions of things in world/life that truely is more than difficult to put into the words
Susi Alcott: also because of the time limits :)
Adams Rubble: LOVE
Riddle Sideways: yes
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Riddle Sideways: I may not know the proper words in your languages (or any) but sometimes I can touch your hand, heart, mind
Riddle Sideways: with a smile
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: or a ":)"
Adams Rubble: hehe
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: <3
Susi Alcott: *
Adams Rubble: ?
Susi Alcott: :)
Riddle Sideways: <#
Adams Rubble: !
Riddle Sideways: oops, sometimes we mis-type
Susi Alcott: =*.*=
Riddle Sideways: sometimes I find myself in front of a group trying to explain the hardest simplething
Riddle Sideways: and like you, I can make the group split into pairs and teach each other
Riddle Sideways: a group of 2 kids showed me what I missed
Riddle Sideways: what language to use
Riddle Sideways: they smiled
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: I was unable to go to it, but another group I belong to started
Riddle Sideways: a salam-shalom dojo
Susi Alcott: =^.^=
Riddle Sideways: palistinian and israels aikidoka practice together in peace
Adams Rubble: Hello Pema :)
Riddle Sideways: very little shared language
Susi Alcott: hi Pema
Riddle Sideways: morning Pema
Adams Rubble: _/!\_
Pema Pera: hi Adams, Riddle, Susi!
Riddle Sideways: can join us
Adams Rubble: Such an important undertaking Riddle
Riddle Sideways: yes, and the benefits the 'teachers' got out of it
Riddle Sideways: is hard to place whom the 'teacher' is at that point
Adams Rubble: a mutual learning experience
Adams Rubble: No one has the answers
Susi Alcott: the saying that the world changes and we change among it was to me very desturbing before I added to it in my mind that if we listen to our children
Riddle Sideways: so all start searching together
Riddle Sideways: yet, is important to know you are one of the children too
Adams Rubble: yes exactly :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Riddle Sideways: with your childs eyes, look up at the next fool you run into and
Riddle Sideways: smile
Adams Rubble: or wise person :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: specially if I run into the mirror :)
Riddle Sideways: I don't meet that many wise ones in my normal day :)
Pema Pera: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: running into the mirror is a very special experience
Pema Pera: if you can learn to really see yourself
Riddle Sideways: too often the mirror shows what is out of place
Riddle Sideways: and we only look skin deep
Pema Pera: ah, but running into may do it :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Pema Pera: even shattering the mirror?
Riddle Sideways: like Alice, walking through it
Adams Rubble: Hello Stargate :)
Adams Rubble: Hello fael :)
Riddle Sideways: morning Fael
Susi Alcott: hi Fael
Pema Pera: Hi Stargate and Fael!
Fael Illyar: Hi Susi, Adams, Pema, Riddle, Star :)
Susi Alcott: hi Stargate
Riddle Sideways: Hi Stargate
Stargate Tone: Hello Adams, Riddle, Pema, Susi and Fael
Riddle Sideways: Stargate, I don't think we have met before
Riddle Sideways: welcome
Stargate Tone: Thank You Riddle
Riddle Sideways: do you know about our (not some little anymore) group
Adams Rubble: :)
Stargate Tone: yes I know
Stargate Tone: something :)
Adams Rubble: Stargate goes back to before my time here :)
Riddle Sideways: that long :)
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: white is the color today!
Adams Rubble is a June baby
Riddle Sideways: we were chatting about words that don't say things sometimes
Riddle Sideways: and languages that convey all sometimes
Riddle Sideways: how Pema can repeat the same things over and over and we don't get it
Stargate Tone: ahhh......thanx they sometimes do :)****
Pema Pera: and I just read Adams two-sec experience, from the beginning of the session, on the note card he gave me -- very glad to hear that, Adams!
Adams Rubble: sorry Pema :)
Pema Pera: sorry?
Stargate Tone: but yes...being so very aware how they can also be easily missunderstood
Adams Rubble: what Riddle said. The lines got interchanged :)
Riddle Sideways: then... we hear it
Riddle Sideways: sometimes it is misunderstood
Pema Pera: ah, hahaha, I myself have great trouble understanding what I hear so often from so many people . . . but slowly everything dawns . . . youcan't force that
Riddle Sideways: and sometimes it is in a different langauge
Pema Pera: so we dance together, and something unfolds
Adams Rubble: Just a missing piece
Pema Pera: what you described is indeed a key point: to allow distractions to be there and yet to be free from them
Riddle Sideways: in a childs smile
Pema Pera: not to fight them, but to accept them
Pema Pera: yes
Adams Rubble: For Stagate and Fael, it is in my blog today http://rubblebornthoughts.wordpress.com
Riddle Sideways: I find myself pushing and pushing a door to open for me
Riddle Sideways: harder and harder I push
Riddle Sideways: only to stop and pull it open
Pema Pera: ah, beautiful, Adams!
Pema Pera: and yes, Riddle, hehe, that's how it goes . . . .
Pema Pera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goldberg/229551714/
Adams Rubble: hehe Pema
Fael Illyar smiles.
Stargate Tone: saved to the note card Thank You :)****
Riddle Sideways: ooooo I have always loved that one
Pema Pera: The far side is marvellous
Riddle Sideways: had it on my wall for years
Riddle Sideways: need it but again
Pema Pera: http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12...97160_e17c.jpg
Adams Rubble giggles
Adams Rubble is so glad to have learned the word "pull" now
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: :-)
Riddle Sideways: beware... Pull doesn't always work either
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: may have to adjust to the situations
Adams Rubble: Yes that is the part about not thinking you "get" it
Pema Pera: often the real insight is that you don't have to go through the door . . . .
Adams Rubble: uh-oh :)
Riddle Sideways: or that it is locked at this hour
Pema Pera: remember the story I told you about the man waiting in front of the door, his whole life, Adams?
Adams Rubble 's memory not working on that
Adams Rubble: sorry. no
Pema Pera wondering when and if he told Adams . . .
Adams Rubble: hehe
Riddle Sideways: :)
Adams Rubble: you're very kind
Pema Pera: it's one of those stories from that mystical Eastern European Jewish tradition
Pema Pera: what is it called
Pema Pera: /me's memory not working very well this morning
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: Kablia
Riddle Sideways: Kabalism
Pema Pera: more specific than that, they have wonderful stories . . .
Pema Pera: let me try to find it on the web, rather than retelling it
Fael Illyar: sounds interesting :)
Riddle Sideways: while Pema searchs, here is the not funny url I was talking about before http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12...97160_e17c.jpg
Riddle Sideways: no no no
Riddle Sideways: http://www.aiki-extensions.org/projectsSalaam.asp
Riddle Sideways: well, I never know what the ol copy buffer has in it
Pema Pera: ah, how interesting, Riddle!
Adams Rubble: thank you Riddle. I may have seen a documentary on PBS about this
Pema Pera: well, can't find the story -- can try to catch it later, or can try to summarize it, but might take ten minutes typing out . . . .
Riddle Sideways: maybe just the punch line
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: can't do that
Pema Pera: :-)
Riddle Sideways: ok, understand
Riddle Sideways: the telling is THE point
Pema Pera: but in fact I have given the punch line away already, that there was no need to go through the door, . . . .
Pema Pera: and that would take away the tension of the story, so perhaps I can shorten it
Pema Pera: A man is in search of paradise
Pema Pera: and then finds a door, leading to paradise
Pema Pera: but there is an angel, standing in front of the door
Pema Pera: it is a door in a rock wall
Pema Pera: and the angel has a flaming sword, and forbids the man to go into the door
Pema Pera: So the man waits
Pema Pera: and waits
Pema Pera: and waits
Pema Pera: till he will be admitted
Pema Pera: he builds a little shack
Pema Pera: to live in while he is waiting, for when the weather turns bad
Pema Pera: and later he even builds a real house
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: since he has no idea how long it will take
Pema Pera: but he is persistent
Pema Pera: there is nothing more important in his life than to enter the door to paradis
Pema Pera: ultimately he grows old and feeble
Pema Pera: and is close to dying
Pema Pera: lying in front of his house, on a stone bench, drawing breath with difficulty.
Pema Pera: Then, at that moment, the angel steps aside
Pema Pera: and two other angels arrive, with morter and what do you call it, tools to put bricks in place
Pema Pera: and the start walling up the door
Pema Pera: In great surprise, the man asks the first angel why they do that
Pema Pera: and the angel answers: you are now going to die, and so there is no need for us to keep the door
Pema Pera: the door was only meant for you, and for no one else
Pema Pera: So that is the end of the story
Pema Pera: the man dies
Pema Pera: and the story seems like a very sad story . . . . . . a real tear jerker when told in the right way
Adams Rubble: yes
Fael Illyar: Yes, I can see that.
Riddle Sideways: Stepenwolf
Pema Pera: In fact, I even am getting tears in my eyes again, typing the story out, remembering previous occasions of going over the story . . .
Pema Pera: But in fact, the real meaning of the story is very very different
Pema Pera: the real meaning is that there never was a need to go through the door
Pema Pera: that paradise is already here
Pema Pera: that it is an illusion to think you have to enter a door to get there . . . . .
Riddle Sideways: and none of you can tell me that
Riddle Sideways: in a way I will believe
Riddle Sideways: however, I will waste a lot of breathe telling you
Riddle Sideways: :)
Pema Pera: yes . . . until I too understand . . . .
Stargate Tone: what a story to hear on the date that one donno which is the day and which is the month, no matter how one writes it :)****
Riddle Sideways: is how it works
Pema Pera: :)
Fael Illyar smiles 'Yes, quite a story.'
Riddle Sideways: well, folks I have to get back to pushing this huge stone up this hill
Pema Pera: hahaha
Pema Pera: yes, and I have to leave soon too
Fael Illyar smiles 'Have fun Riddle.'
Adams Rubble: bye Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: is the appointed time to switch channels
Pema Pera: my train is arriving at Princeton Junction in a couple minutes
Adams Rubble: bye Pema :)
Fael Illyar: So, the try to crystallize the story, the point is that 'As long as you believe you need to do something to be happy, you'll not be'?
Riddle Sideways: probably,Fael
Adams Rubble: or can see our house as something people do
Adams Rubble: there's a metaphor there...I just can;t quite grasp it
Pema Pera: yes, Fael, but when you believe there is nothing to do, you will also be unhappy
Pema Pera: the key is beyond -- beyond all distinctions, also beyond doing and not doing
Pema Pera: this is so difficult to put into words -- you can hear it for years, and then something "pops"
Pema Pera: like Adams just reported
Adams Rubble: the context of timelessness
Fael Illyar: believing there's nothing to do ... isn't that usually called being bored?
Pema Pera: and then later something will pop again, and later again . . . and each time it is as if you see it for the first time
Adams Rubble: :)
Susi Alcott: sry ...got pc probs again...
Riddle Sideways: ah but sometimes the answer is in a smile
Adams Rubble: sorry Susi
Riddle Sideways: a big smile
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: or not
Pema Pera: bye Susi!
Adams Rubble: !
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Pema
Adams Rubble: bye Susi :)
Riddle Sideways: bye All
Adams Rubble: bye :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Pema Pera: Some of the deepest insights I have stumbled upon in the last few years, I knew in a way when I was 17 . . . and yet when I really saw it, it was at the same time similar and at the same time very different.
Pema Pera: How to put into words . . . . my description now and my description when I was 17 could have been exactly the same
Adams Rubble nods
Pema Pera: and there could have been such a difference in depth and felt and seen meaning . . . .
Adams Rubble: It is a wonderful thing :)
Pema Pera: so I look forward very much to the PaB retreat
Pema Pera: it will be so much easier to share the kind of seeing that we're talking about in the real world
Pema Pera: in an intense few days
Stargate Tone: _/!\_ to all
Pema Pera: Bye Star!
Adams Rubble: bye Stargate :)
Pema Pera: oops, have to leave the train now -- bye everybody!
Fael Illyar: ... wow, hurried going
Susi Alcott: bye stargate
Fael Illyar: See you later Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: I still don'tcompletely trust the recorder
Adams Rubble: Very nice combination of colors and elements Fael. The pink tatoo works so well with the white :)
Riddle Sideways: so I have to cut-n-paste
Adams Rubble: yes Riddle. It has failed me 3 times
Fael Illyar: It does :)
Fael Illyar: I was late because I bumped into someone who gave me this dress :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Fael Illyar: I somehow felt pulled to give her my tattoo :)
Fael Illyar: and she gave me this dress in response :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Fael Illyar: (conversation started with giving the tattoo) :)
Adams Rubble: one deed deserves another :)
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go now
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: See you later Adams. That's a nice dress too :)
Adams Rubble: Goodbye Susi and fael...and Riddle
Adams Rubble: thanks :)
Susi Alcott: (very nice)