stevenaia Michinaga: hey Ade, new skin?
Adelene Dawner: ...no...
Adelene Dawner: I think you've seen my cub form before...?
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps
stevenaia Michinaga: hello ThreeDee
Threedee Shepherd: hi
stevenaia Michinaga: haven;t seen you in a while
Threedee Shepherd: I was on vacation for 10 days and have been busy since returning a week ago
Adelene Dawner: Hi, Nab :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Nabby
stevenaia Michinaga: you can sit on pillow
Nabby Philly: Hello big people
Adelene Dawner giggles. "I think she's talking to you, Steve, you're the only tall one here."
Nabby Philly: pretty lions :)
Threedee Shepherd: ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: we are a discuaaion group and we record our conversations, is that ok if we include your coments?
Nabby Philly: Thank you Mr Michinaga
stevenaia Michinaga: you are welcome
Nabby Philly: I can't sit still for 9 seconds
stevenaia Michinaga: you don't have to sit still, jsut still your mind for 9 seconds
Nabby Philly: hehe
Adelene Dawner: So do it while you're running around ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Nabby Philly: OK
Nabby Philly pets the lion
stevenaia Michinaga: so is it ok to record you?
Nabby Philly: yeah OK with me
stevenaia Michinaga: do you need your parents permission?
Nabby Philly: hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: evening Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Evening everyone :)
Nabby Philly: Hello again Mz Madrigal
Threedee Shepherd: I am surmising that you "nabby" are a Little Person, not a child
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Nabby, nice to see you again :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steven, Threedee, Adelene :)
Nabby Philly: I am a child in SL :)
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Nabby Philly: I am very little
Eliza Madrigal: Playful then :)
Nabby Philly: hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: much of what we fo requires a certain child-like playfulness, you will fit in just fine here
Nabby Philly: Thank you Mr Michenaga
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Threedee Shepherd: OK, I will throw out an observation from my week so far, if there is no other topic
stevenaia Michinaga: ...listens
Nabby Philly waits to try to catch it
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: I am "giving up" my unused small office at the University--now that I am retired. Thus I am "cleaning it out"
Threedee Shepherd: I still had ALL of the notes from every science course I ever took, starting freshman year in physics up through grad school quantum mechanics. (Why I have them is a different conversation).. I finally recycled them as scrap paper. AND
Threedee Shepherd: in the process realized that I did not understand the math in most of them, could hardly believe I once knew what it meant, and in one case fouond an entire course I do not even remember taking in grad school (linear Circuit analysis).
Nabby Philly: That must have been a bad course
Threedee Shepherd: this causes me to wonder about why lots of stuff gets "learned" in the first place.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: No Nabby, I never really used it for much, afterwards.
Adelene Dawner: Bootstrapping?
Threedee Shepherd: In this case it looks like the scaffold under the bootstrapped to platgform (and the platform) has disappeared
Nabby Philly doesn't understand the last sentence
Adelene Dawner: Well yeah - you didn't need it any more. Why keep it?
Eliza Madrigal: Not computing "bootstrapped"..haven't heard the word used...
Eliza Madrigal: in that way before
Adelene Dawner: Hold on, Eliza, trying to find a reference
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks :)
Threedee Shepherd: I remember much more Shakespeare than Quantum Mechanics. I remembver Maxwell's Daemon, but not Maxwell's Equations that are the foundation of electricity and magnetism theory.
Adelene Dawner: hmm, not finding a good one, so:
Eliza Madrigal: If you meaning why one thing "sticks" and another doesn't...I'd have to say use, relevence/ connection to other things?
Threedee Shepherd: bootstrapping means you lean a so you have the basis to learn b which is the basis for c. In that sense a and b are scaffolding to get to the platform C.
Threedee Shepherd: *learn
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, okay.
Nabby Philly: and then you can have a hanging?
Adelene Dawner: In computers, once you have, say, Windows, up and running, it can take care of itself. But what do you use to get Windows loaded in the first place, and what do you use to get that loaded? The bootstrapping process (from 'to pull oneself up by ones' bootstraps) describes the process of getting to self-sufficiency.
Threedee Shepherd: In computers the bootstrapping usually starts with a short line of code that is recognized by permanent memory and which then leads to the program loading
stevenaia Michinaga: and what you learned that you don;t remember goave nothing to you?
stevenaia Michinaga: that you can recollect?
Threedee Shepherd: In really old computers with switches on the front, you actually entered about four lines of code manually, but setting the switches, and that bootstrapped the preloaded programs.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh..that is very clear now. And yes it would make sense if you don't use something to build on, might be more efficient for memory to toss it out
Eliza Madrigal: haha...hope not Nabby :) Hangings I mean -ha
Adelene Dawner: My point was, learning that gave the ability to learn more advanced things that *were* used in the future, but once those more advanced things were learned the first stuff wasn't needed any more
Threedee Shepherd: Oh, I am sure small parts here and there were relevant to work I did.
Threedee Shepherd: Hmmm. I guess i was seeing all the advanced math more as equivalent to the alphabet, and I don't forget the alphabet once I learn words.
Nabby Philly: It is past my bedtime and I better get back before I am missed :)
Nabby Philly: good night big people and lions
Eliza Madrigal: There aren't letters you don't use on a daily basis though. Maybe it isn't the letters, but a particular string of letters you might not be using
Eliza Madrigal: Nite Nabby.... Sleep well
stevenaia Michinaga: night , come again
Threedee Shepherd: Oh, stay a while longer and tell us something, please
Adelene Dawner: More like script. I learned script, but I don't write by hand any more, so I don't know how to write in script now ... can still do printing... but, I can read script okay.
Adelene Dawner: And I probably couldn't read script if I'd never learned to write it.
Threedee Shepherd: OK, reasonable analogy. So I still wonder, was there some subset of all that stuff that would have sufficed and have been more memorable if presentled in a different way.
stevenaia Michinaga: I will agreee with you there Ade
Adelene Dawner: Not entirely implausable, Three - and if nothing else it seems like it'd work better to be upfront about the bootstrapping effect.
Threedee Shepherd: that's for sure, but hardly motivating--which may be why "grades" take on the meaning.
Adelene Dawner: I dunno, 'you need to learn this so you can understand the important stuff' seems like a reasonable motivation to me...
stevenaia Michinaga: grades?
Adelene Dawner: (BTW, is someone going to greet Kenta? Who's on call?)
Threedee Shepherd: That deferred "gratification" has been complained about to me by MANY students
Eliza Madrigal: I've always been drawn to the idea that when someone chooses to learn something in a branching-off manner, it sticks better. Then again, most educators would fear uneven-ness if we chose everything we learned :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I was zoomed in to close, missed him
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kenta
Adelene Dawner: Someone will have to get you a radar, Steve. :)
Kenta Okelli: radar?
Kenta Okelli: sorry the champagne getting to me
Threedee Shepherd: I vaguely remember the quadratic theorem, but I can look it up easily on google if i need it. Yes I did have to learn to use it, but why also memorize it.
Kenta Okelli: -b plus or minus the square root of b squared minus 4ac all over 2a
Threedee Shepherd: yup, I actually did remember that, but an using it as an example.
Threedee Shepherd: *am
stevenaia Michinaga: we record our conversationsm Kenta, is it ok if we records your comments and post them on out wiki?
Eliza Madrigal: Looking ahead, I do think there will be far less memorizing...facts can be found easily these days. Now, what to DO with those facts...stringing them together and building with them...another story
Threedee Shepherd: I am really trying to explore the learning/teaching process. For example, given all that has been "discovered" in the past 50 years, it is efectively impossible to teach it in a standard undergrad biology curriculum. so why teach what?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rowan
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Rowan
Threedee Shepherd: hi rowan
Rowan Masala: hellow
stevenaia Michinaga: you and Three Kinds match
stevenaia Michinaga: hope you aren;t wearing his brother
Adelene Dawner: I think 'why' is the most important question for all of it... I *refused* to learn history, because I never understood why I should - and now I get why, and wish I hadn't missed the opportunity.
Threedee Shepherd: hellow -- a beautifully yellow-tinged greeting
Rowan Masala: lol
Adelene Dawner chuckles and pats Three.
Rowan Masala: glad someone can find benefits from my typos
Eliza Madrigal: I'm hoping for a resurgence of mentoring, but I do understand what you mean Adelene. I'm also history challenged :))
Rowan Masala nods
Eliza Madrigal: Or maybe it is just "timeline" challenged
Rowan Masala: I was the same with economics, Adelene. I don't understand money, and never learned, and now I really really wish I had
Threedee Shepherd: sure, so like those who did, you could have "actively" lost half of it ;>
Adelene Dawner hmms
Adelene Dawner: you may like the idea my brain just spat out, Three
Eliza Madrigal: Practical economics is something most of us could use a refresher in :)
Threedee Shepherd: Practical economics = buy less
Rowan Masala: Ira Glass did a better job of explaining the mortgage crisis a couple of weekends ago than I've ever heard anyone do
Adelene Dawner: That bootstrapping stuff may give your brain practice in making that *kind* of connections, so when you get to the good stuff, you know how to learn it in a way that will stick. (does that make sense at all? I'm thinking neuron-level)
Rowan Masala: in llik 10 minutes
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha. yes.
Threedee Shepherd: yes, Ade, that is a useful observation. A known difference between experts and novices is that experts "pattern match" their way to problem solving. So observing many patterns is necessary, even if the details may be lost.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: The foundation also disappears once you build on it.
Eliza Madrigal: Or doesn't really, but you don't see it anymore.
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm, Eliza
Adelene Dawner: not necessarily, but if there's no reason for it not to, definitely.
Adelene Dawner: Or: what defines 'platform' vs 'what you build on the platform'?
stevenaia Michinaga: nice metaphor
Eliza Madrigal: I'm thinking about painting.... I love to paint, but it is catch-as-catch-can because I'm missing many foundational technical skills
Eliza Madrigal: And have less patience to learn them now than I might once have had
Threedee Shepherd: The disappearing foundation can be a problem because it is often the foundation wherein all the assumptions are contained, and thus they are later overlooked. But, that is a diffferent conversation.
Adelene Dawner grins at Three. "Yes to both."
Eliza Madrigal: So...those technical skills are important, but if you use them and progress, you feel as though you set them aside. They're in there though :)
Threedee Shepherd: true
Adelene Dawner: That gets even more obvious when your foundational skills go offline at near-random :)
Eliza Madrigal: Same with money I imagine Rowan? Never learning certain things causes one to miss certain things on a mortgage contract I'm sure!
Rowan Masala: I have to go. Have a good night, all
Adelene Dawner: cya, Ro
stevenaia Michinaga: night Rowan
Threedee Shepherd: I wonder, perhaps YOU only think they are randomly offline. there may be a deeper pattern working.
Eliza Madrigal: Night Rowan, nice to meet you
Threedee Shepherd: g'night
Rowan Masala: Eliza, I still rely way too much on other people for economic help and understanding
Eliza Madrigal: I think we have to...so many things are changing all the time
Adelene Dawner: Hence the 'near' - the deep pattern's not too helpful if I can't see it to predict y'know.
Rowan Masala: nice to meet you too, Eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lover
stevenaia Michinaga: we are having a meeting, pls join us I will give you info
Eliza Madrigal: I love that thought Threedee...that in a deeper place there is processing going on.
Threedee Shepherd: Well Eliza, I too regret not having learned "economics". However, the rule that it is very hard to spend the same dollar twice seems to work most of the time ;D
stevenaia Michinaga: we post our conversations on our Wiki, is it ok if we include you?
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
Eliza Madrigal: Hahha, yes. Amazing I didn't need those 300 channels-
Eliza Madrigal: In another conversation, talking about consciousness, we were talking about forgetting things as a way of getting clearer about them...throwing them down the well, so to speak
Eliza Madrigal: and letting them float up.
Adelene Dawner who does not own a tv snerks, remembering when 50 channels on tv was O.O
Eliza Madrigal: hahah...have 5 channels now...miss nothing
Adelene Dawner: I have the internet. I miss exactly what I want to miss. ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: [19:52] Eliza Madrigal: In another conversation, talking about consciousness, we were talking about forgetting things as a way of getting clearer about them...throwing them down the well, so to speak [19:53] Eliza Madrigal: and letting them float up. is related to processing going on "in there" which may float to relevance later
Adelene Dawner nods at Three
Threedee Shepherd: "Sleep on it" refers to more than matresses (or futons).
Eliza Madrigal: yes...that often we don't see what we're working on
Eliza Madrigal: yes! hah
Threedee Shepherd: Actually, the idea had been proposed that you can't work on it and watch yourself doing so art the same time
Adelene Dawner: Missed that, Three, but it sounds plausable :)
Threedee Shepherd: *so at the
Eliza Madrigal: waves and particles?
Adelene Dawner: Limited brain bandwidth :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Threedee Shepherd: at least by analogy, yes
Eliza Madrigal: When you think this way...all does fit together in a strange sort of obvioius sense
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: say moire, please, Eliza
Threedee Shepherd: actually MORE not moire, which would be hard to decode ;D
Eliza Madrigal: Just thinking that everything begins to wrap together when you trust that nothing is wasted...not time...not anything.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: We can't all learn *everything* there is to learn...why we need one another.
Eliza Madrigal: And in that dark capacity (what we're not seeing)
Eliza Madrigal: I find a lot of comfort
Adelene Dawner purrs ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: My granddaughter started Kingerten this year. On day 2 or 3, she came home and said "I wish I already knew everything, or did not have to know anything."
Eliza Madrigal: !!! That is quite a statement!
Eliza Madrigal: Do you feel like generations are born with a shared sense of something?
Threedee Shepherd: yes, at least with nascent possibilities, when considered over a long stretch of generations on which natural selection can act.
Threedee Shepherd: A trivial example is that there are regions of the brain that become active when listening to a story, vs. hearing the same facts recited as a list.
Adelene Dawner whispers to Three "I think 'shared within the generation' was the important bit there"
stevenaia Michinaga: how does it know which is which?
Threedee Shepherd: I noted that but was looking for something deeper than "culture"
Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm...a shared experience weighs more?
Adelene Dawner: Having to parse it out of a story adds dimension? And requires focus?
Threedee Shepherd: [20:06] stevenaia Michinaga: how dos it know which is which? Probably has to do with patterns that elict mirroring responses based on experience
Adelene Dawner: Adds a bit of 'why' if nothing else.
Eliza Madrigal: mirroring responses...hmm
Eliza Madrigal: My son seems fed up with antiquated systems, and is only 10. He has handed in blank papers before "This doesn't interest me."
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
Eliza Madrigal: And hard to argue with him...he's often right. Teachers would like for me to take it more seriously, but I love this about him.
Adelene Dawner grins supportively at Eliza. ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks Adelene
Threedee Shepherd: I have a successfully adult daughter who was like that. Even in 1st grade, we got a note sayinjg we should have her hearing tested professionally because a simple test suggested she might be deaf. She isn't. The test was they told her a story and then asked questions about it. she could not answer because she had stopped listening due to boredom, and was off daydreaming.
Adelene Dawner: (My parents took school way too seriously - which was undeniably a BAD thing in the long term sense, and not too great in the short term either)
Eliza Madrigal: She had switched her hearing off, Three!
Adelene Dawner: hehe, mmhmm ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: yup
Eliza Madrigal: Adelene, I think you'll like this: Last year's report cards, we made airplanes out of...don't like to see them distressed over grades
Adelene Dawner: :D
Threedee Shepherd: Her teacher in 1st grade said, I don't mind that she goes off somewhere during class, but i really wish she woule tell us about it when she comes back.
Eliza Madrigal: hahhahha!!!! Sounds like the teacher had a fondness for her
Adelene Dawner: hee!
Threedee Shepherd: yup. she was my second child to have the same teacher
Adelene Dawner: ;D
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, so by then she'd gotten the rhythm of the family :) I love that.
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm. It was even more interesting in that my older daughter is dyslexic and had that teacher, who worked hard to understand what dyslexia means.
Eliza Madrigal: It does seem like those things are learned whe they come up...strange when there is so much information available now
Adelene Dawner grins and hmms... "I seem to be running out of spoons... time to say good night."
Threedee Shepherd: yup, information is practically free, wisdom is a bit more expensive
Eliza Madrigal: Why parents/grandparents need to advocate.
Eliza Madrigal: Night, Adelene. I should be off too. :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh...gone
stevenaia Michinaga: night Eilza
Threedee Shepherd: I have often said, including to Miss oakes (that teacher) that the first grade teacher should be paid one of the highest salaries in the country.
stevenaia Michinaga: I agree, merit pay
stevenaia Michinaga: although I still remember specific events from kindergarden that I belive shaped me
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
Eliza Madrigal: (hard to leave such an interesting conversation)giving myself a minute :)
Threedee Shepherd: Eliza, what would happen if your son chose to simply write about what did interest him?
Eliza Madrigal: He writes well....mostly about creations he makes on Spore these days
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Threedee Shepherd: I am unfamiliar with spore
stevenaia Michinaga: spore, the legos of the day
Eliza Madrigal: Yes...huge on legos also, but Spore is the current favorite...inventive alien-like creatures....
Threedee Shepherd: physical or computer-virtual?
Eliza Madrigal: He loves drawing mazes with complex "keys". Spore is computer-virtual
Eliza Madrigal: The mazes are paper though.
Eliza Madrigal: He's a "good" student...but stresses. I'd love to be able to accomodate a more open-ended educational environment, but this is 3rd change in 3 years
Threedee Shepherd: Younger daughter also only bothered to learn what interested her in k-12. Somehow, she was more turned on in college.
Threedee Shepherd: Moving around a lot?
Eliza Madrigal: And strangely Steve, K and 1 DO seem to be a real turning point. My dds *love* everything about school and that is in part because they had creative early teachers.
Eliza Madrigal: Just him...thought he'd like more math so put him into a greek math school...
stevenaia Michinaga: greek math?
Eliza Madrigal: then moved his class within that school.
Threedee Shepherd: geek math with an extra e
stevenaia Michinaga: oh, lol
Eliza Madrigal: Steven yes...is very interesting actually :) hahah
Eliza Madrigal: is definitely Greek.
Threedee Shepherd: Is he more on the introvert/quiet than extrovert side
Eliza Madrigal: he is both a brooding child, and a vibrant child who makes friends easily...he's very funny
Eliza Madrigal: but when upset, he broods
Eliza Madrigal: And he analyzes why he's brooding...sigh :)
Threedee Shepherd: does HE have ideas about what he needs and likes regarding learning?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes...."when he SEES a school, he feels that it is punishment"
Eliza Madrigal: direct quote from earlier today
Eliza Madrigal: In part, I think it is because home is fun. I'd love to homeschool him but practically is not possible.
Threedee Shepherd: So much depends on teachers who "fit" HIS DESIRES RATHER THAN SIMPLY WANT HIM TO FIT.
Threedee Shepherd: caps not intended
Eliza Madrigal: Not so easy to find that. I do like his current teacher...he needs to give her a chance, imo :)
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder sometimes whether I validate his rebellion too much :) Hah
Threedee Shepherd: i assume private schools are "expensive" in the economic scheme of things
Eliza Madrigal: But I think validation is important...important not to think that the "something wrong" is always you
Threedee Shepherd: absolutely true, imho
Eliza Madrigal: yes...
stevenaia Michinaga: well I mus go, fading fast
Threedee Shepherd: g'nite steve, c'ya
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for joining ,me
Eliza Madrigal: Steven, Thank you :) Night
Threedee Shepherd: Eliza, role models can matter?
Eliza Madrigal: Three, there are so many children like my son, and yes....role models matter a lot.
Threedee Shepherd: yes, we have determined correctly, since John Dewey's time, that universal education is crritically important. As a society we have never decided to spend enough to do it universally well.
Eliza Madrigal: Absolutely!!!!!
Threedee Shepherd: My older daughter is a middle school teacher. Of course, being a dyslexic, she teaches English as a Seceond Language :D
Eliza Madrigal: !! i I would imagine she has exactly the skills needed...
Eliza Madrigal: and the ability to be patient and kind
Threedee Shepherd: yup, that is what she says
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
Eliza Madrigal: And children pick that up...they know when you understand
Threedee Shepherd: actually we all do, but adults are trained to not speak about it :D
Eliza Madrigal: I work with children who struggle (though not right now, only volunteer) and they need to put everything on the table and feel safe before they can really engage...not be overly corrected
Eliza Madrigal: hahahah!!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: Well this is the case, yes
Threedee Shepherd: Actaully, standard "animal training" uses the principle of rewarding/reacting to the correct things and ignoring the incorrect. Not such a bad principle.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Threedee Shepherd: I feel for your son.
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you. We're working on this...
Eliza Madrigal: It has been spilling into every conversation I have lately...
Threedee Shepherd: it's hard when life presents so much that needs attention, and limited resources for attending
Eliza Madrigal: Which seems good. We talk about these things alot...and are looking for better approaches.
Eliza Madrigal: Certainly!
Threedee Shepherd: Looking for better approaches is why I asked what his ideas might be.
Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to ask him in that way tomorrow
Eliza Madrigal: See what he comes up with aside from "no more school ever"
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Threedee Shepherd: Yes. I am fond of saying that it is absolutely necessary to hear a child's needs, which is different from accepting their immature solutions to those needs.
Eliza Madrigal: Yes...have to have balance
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for this talk. Not sure that it answered your earlier question, but it has helped me
Threedee Shepherd: Also, my younger daughter was poorly treated by kids in middle school, which she dealt with. Could there be things going on besides the curriculum?
Eliza Madrigal: Teachers are often impatient...so much pressure on them. He picks that up. Friends he makes quite easliy, thank goodness
Threedee Shepherd: I am geeky and was the recipient of much young-male harrassment at that stage.
Eliza Madrigal: Middle school is tough.
Eliza Madrigal: But as for geeky....that i s one reason I like his school...
Threedee Shepherd: It should be abolished and replaced by working on farms or some such, imho;D
Eliza Madrigal: YES! I'm with you there!
Eliza Madrigal: I don't mean that his school is geeky, but that it has a certain focus which tends to draw those who don't "fit" elsewhere :)
Threedee Shepherd: nice
Eliza Madrigal: math mainly :)
Threedee Shepherd: I am a retired professor (recently) (biology, neuroscience) and know that people with math abilities are a bit "different" and could probably use non-standard teaching environments.
Threedee Shepherd: Are you near a University?
Eliza Madrigal: He is certainly a math-thinker....picked up numbers before letters :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes....am close to a few
Threedee Shepherd: There are often faculty in "applied Math" type departments, or even computer science depts who are interested in working with young kids who like math.
Threedee Shepherd: Were you here in Boulder, I could connect you to one instantly, for example.
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting...how would I ask about something like that? I'm in Miami.
Eliza Madrigal: Would love to be in Boulder though :))
Threedee Shepherd: May I ask what you pursue as a vocation?
Eliza Madrigal: I'm a reading tutor...currently jobless but as I said, volunteering.
Threedee Shepherd: My dyslexic daughter had a spealist reading tutor who made all the difference....
Threedee Shepherd: *specialist
Eliza Madrigal: I work with fourth graders mostly, with essays. Our school system is quite oppressive when it comes to testing.
Threedee Shepherd: they all are NCLB and all that
Threedee Shepherd: Do you simply happen to have friends who teach at a university? If so, they can network you to the kind of person I am imagining.
Eliza Madrigal: Right as you typed that, the eprson I need to call popped into my mind
Eliza Madrigal: *person
Eliza Madrigal: She will know
Threedee Shepherd: I have a weird connection through Miami Dade college, who might know, if it comes to that. I would be glad to ask her
Eliza Madrigal: Fantastic idea really
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you. That is where this friend is also. :)
Threedee Shepherd: In SL Ade and I are builders (I have a small company) and we are building the SL virtual Campus Island for Miami Dade College right at this time ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: That's terrific! I cannot believe all SL has to offer at times.
Eliza Madrigal: Do you know, my 13yo (middle) dd had a version of SL in her geography class...but wasn't called SL...was a Harvard program
Eliza Madrigal: This was a few years ago. I remember telling her how interesting it sounded, but then not paying too much attention. Look at me now! hah
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm, more of that kind of thing is happening. We just built an Island on the Teen grid for the State Historical Society of North Dakota for middle school kids to simulate hoomesteading in the 1890s
Eliza Madrigal: School of the future.
Threedee Shepherd: involvement is the key to motivation which is THE key to learning
Threedee Shepherd: If your friend doesn't know anyone, let me know and I'll ask my Miami Dade contacts.
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for this Three. I'll let you know what I find.
Threedee Shepherd: good luck. g'nite
Eliza Madrigal: Now is midnight here :) Cyou soon!! Night.