2009.03.25 19:00 - Obsession

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Just SophiaSharon Larnia, Threedee Shepherd and me tonight, it was her second PaB meeting and all very interesting.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI
    stevenaia Michinaga: you here for the meeting?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes is that okay
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, have you been here before?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: at 1 pm today for the first time
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome back
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you, i will be quiet if that is okay
    stevenaia Michinaga: well that may be dificult unless I talk to myself, oh, Hello Three Dee
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oic lol
    Threedee Shepherd: hi folks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi threedee
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice kitty
    Threedee Shepherd: purrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    SophiaSharon Larnia: attendance is variable from day to day then
    Threedee Shepherd: steve, what's with the mist surrounding you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, yesterday at this time there were quite a few ppl, many new
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s my aura, don;t get to close or you will glow
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: some times on one shows up
    stevenaia Michinaga: but there is usually an appointed (or volunteered) "Guardian" here who post's the log when the meeting is done and thrys to maintain conversational direction id possible
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I think I read every page of the wiki and peoples blogs this afternoon
    stevenaia Michinaga: that would be me on Wednesdays at this time
    stevenaia Michinaga: every page, that 4 a day for the better part of a year
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am impressed
    Threedee Shepherd: Sophia if you read all that and are still coming here--there must be something you have to say about it :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok skimmed a bit :D
    stevenaia Michinaga: haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: there are highlights for that reason, too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the general practive seems to advocate exactly what I have always knownb is my problem
    stevenaia Michinaga: as you can see, the topic vary
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to just stop
    stevenaia Michinaga: your problem?
    Threedee Shepherd: your *problem* or your passion?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I run away from what i think because i have no one to discuss it with for the most part, so I must just....stop
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for 9 secs
    stevenaia Michinaga: I actually enjoy the moments of letting go, tend to take more energy to hold on to things for me, so stoping is naturally easier
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s the reflection and seeing that takes getting used to
    Threedee Shepherd: Sophia, it sounds hard to run away from yourself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the reflection and seeing is constant for me I block much of it out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or i could not functiom
    Threedee Shepherd: like constant "noise"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont mean to imply that I know anything at all because i do not
    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure stop and block is the theme here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no i know that
    Threedee Shepherd: Sophia is it like overloading input?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes three dee love yur name btw
    stevenaia Michinaga: the play of this group is to work it through, 9 seconds at a time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes exactly
    stevenaia Michinaga: even me, a relative "light" practicioner has had special moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: s
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my interest here is for new veiwing points, from others, so I really came to listen
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what is a light practioner, someone who only does it once in a while
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometime explaining your own contects (which is much of what we do here), helps you listen
    stevenaia Michinaga: well , I could say I don;t do it every 15 minutes
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: people would wonder why my watch would go off, every 15 min
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: but there is a 15 minute chime here that helps
    SophiaSharon Larnia: cool
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so thats what it was for I wondered
    Threedee Shepherd: eventually it becomes a habit
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes...smiles...
    stevenaia Michinaga: take a breath, I close my eyes, the time passes, the mind sometime races and then I'm back
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders where it goes sometimes
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps you know better than most Three?
    stevenaia Michinaga: where the thoughts come from?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: of course this current obsession totalk with others started with my obsession with the concept of time, i think that has been the topic for the last year :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: one of them
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, there is a regular time dicussion at the Kira Cafe
    Threedee Shepherd: the thoughts are the brain/body trying to make sense of the chaos that is the world. It's a never-ending task
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is hard to come here, i want to repeat everything i said earlier, although I know it is recorded somewhere, i will sound like a broken record
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think one intent of PaB is to relax ones obsessions and open up to see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have you come here a long time?
    Threedee Shepherd: Is time fast, normal, galcial, ephemeral or what, for you Sophios?
    Threedee Shepherd: *Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: blink, gone
    stevenaia Michinaga: sI actually found my first meeting apperance, I think it was april 26th
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its flying for us all, we all know this
    SophiaSharon Larnia: last april?
    stevenaia Michinaga: the one year anniversary of this group is April 1
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just trying to understand 4d and what it means....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: among other things
    Threedee Shepherd: blink, it's gone, blink again and there is more.....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 5d
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i am too mystical i hope the 9 sec every 15 min help ground me
    stevenaia Michinaga: mystical?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and make this easier to put in words perhaps
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how can i explain? 'feeling' information and an inability to express it words I'm sorry
    stevenaia Michinaga: no rush, we will be here a few years I suspect
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats good
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
    Threedee Shepherd: that makes sense. All information starts with the body/brain and only later becomes words.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I think you are right
    Threedee Shepherd: does the information have colors, tastes, felt pressures?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it's like an extrasesory way to pick up info, but that is not a good way to explain it, as this is not 'extra' anything, it is our misunderstanding of it that makes it seems mysterious
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is natural
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh goodness i may never come back now lol
    Threedee Shepherd: why not, please say more
    stevenaia Michinaga: we all have unique abilities to understand and see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is not so unique
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i just feel like there is something telling me to wake up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: please do
    Threedee Shepherd: there is (at least) one participant in the this group who is ysnesthetic and for whom most "information" is polysensory. she is not here tonight.
    Threedee Shepherd: *synesthetic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: polysensory sound like fun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel that there may be quite a few highly educated people here and i dont want o appear stupid
    Threedee Shepherd: You said, SophiaSharon Larnia: i just feel like there is something telling me to wake up. There is often a dreamlike aspect of PaB conversations
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes a theta state or something like that
    Threedee Shepherd: education has only a little to do with wisdom
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it happens to me a lot on other occasions, why i do not meditate very often
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is something I have seen here, the wisdom of many
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure
    stevenaia Michinaga: Mystical is a nice term, not something you learn I suppose
    SophiaSharon Larnia: there may be another word more appropriate
    SophiaSharon Larnia: too much crown opening and not grounded
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not a good thing
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks for light from your head
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
    stevenaia Michinaga: would you like an aura?
    Threedee Shepherd: why does it matter to be grounded, or better grounded where?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel very brittle, like cracked crystal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: where, that is a good question
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in 3d that is where i live and work
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think it was my choice to be here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in body so.....
    Threedee Shepherd: choice to BE, or choice to be in a particular body?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: be in body
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we all 'are'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that is my beleif anyway
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this body contains a part of our higher consciousness, underneath the veil
    SophiaSharon Larnia blushes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: some may not agree
    Threedee Shepherd: perhaps. Can you stop for a moment and consider whether this state IS the higher consciousness.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: could you explain further?
    Threedee Shepherd: perhaps the beingness that we all are might need a specific locus of experience (brain/body) in order to contemplate and expand itself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to experience
    Threedee Shepherd: an instantiation
    SophiaSharon Larnia: time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm
    Threedee Shepherd: a spacetime locus we refer to as "me" even if there is nothing extra that is me (a shorthand)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i have thought of that before but from a different path
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but there is more here than that isn't there?
    Threedee Shepherd: more in what sense
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interactions with other
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lag
    Threedee Shepherd: of course, there would be no instantiation without "other"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: other veiwing points of the One (ducks)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm
    Threedee Shepherd: The One appears to be itself in ways it does not always seem to "know" like my not knowing how my back looks. If so, the experiences of the specific that we have may be a way of seeking more wisdom.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: through experience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok i understand that
    Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps being, even "allbeing" cannot "know" itselof just by meditation, but needs specific experiences to see the unfolding of its possibilities
    stevenaia Michinaga: it can't be just that (esperiance) or we all would be wise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: which requires the use of time I guess
    Threedee Shepherd: well, steve, as the saying goes, Good decisions comes from wisdom, wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from bad decisions.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: which i feel, is where we are now, in this world
    stevenaia Michinaga: and some can't put together A to B to C as well as others
    stevenaia Michinaga: others can more easily
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think all will eventually be able to Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: that is the difference I am refering to
    Threedee Shepherd: perhaps each of us is a case of the all-being working to experience a new and different aspect of itself?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: however
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok i get exactly what your saying really, but i find it somewhat distasteful, i am not agruing against it for sure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to be blunt
    Threedee Shepherd: I am pondering, not pontificating. Tell me what is distasteful, so I can ponder more, please.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to be...would imply experiencing everything there is to experience, the good and bad
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and that rubs my fur the wrong way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: although i have no arguement against it
    Threedee Shepherd: often, here at PaB, there are members who assert that "Everything arises perfectly" and that good and bad are judgements, not actualities
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i understand, i saw the judgement in my statement as I was making it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry
    stevenaia Michinaga: no need to apologize here
    Threedee Shepherd: I think it is important to recognize the word "Play" in PlayAsBeing. for me it means exploring ideas without necessarily accepting or denying them--playing with them, instead, to experience where that goes
    SophiaSharon Larnia listening
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
    Threedee Shepherd: I want to be very clear that nothing you have said, Sophia, offends me in any way.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i didn't think it did :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: a relaxed way of learning to understand without requiring you to understand
    stevenaia Michinaga: Play
    Threedee Shepherd: excatly
    Threedee Shepherd: exactly
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i am so happy to find this place i forgot
    SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL
    Threedee Shepherd: In a space that is safe and accepting.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the recording makes me a little frightened, i am somewhat shy
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps think of it as a way of not being later misquoted :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Thank you for your time, I will think on what we have talked about here
    stevenaia Michinaga: not to worry we all have put our foot in our mouths at some point and haven;t looked back
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes that is the benefit!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol stevenaia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have a great night!!!! see you later I hope
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you
    Threedee Shepherd: Well, it has been good talking with you sophia.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: u too
    Threedee Shepherd: Question: Why am I HERE?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I forgot to ask what brought her to the meeting this afternoon
    Threedee Shepherd: Answer: Because I am not somewhere else.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Threedee Shepherd: Observation: Time does not vary, it is always today (or NOW)
    stevenaia Michinaga: are you competeing with Squee tonight?
    Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: well I must go, an interesting evening
    Threedee Shepherd: It is, for me, an interesting thought, that THIS is the highest spiritual state--heaven, or whatever.
    stevenaia Michinaga: heaven? on earth or in yur mind?
    Threedee Shepherd: both
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Threedee Shepherd: g'night, then
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
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