2009.03.25 19:00 - Obsession

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

Just SophiaSharon Larnia, Threedee Shepherd and me tonight, it was her second PaB meeting and all very interesting.

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI
stevenaia Michinaga: you here for the meeting?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes is that okay
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, have you been here before?
SophiaSharon Larnia: at 1 pm today for the first time
stevenaia Michinaga: welcome back
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you, i will be quiet if that is okay
stevenaia Michinaga: well that may be dificult unless I talk to myself, oh, Hello Three Dee
SophiaSharon Larnia: oic lol
Threedee Shepherd: hi folks
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi threedee
stevenaia Michinaga: nice kitty
Threedee Shepherd: purrrrrrrrrrrrrr
SophiaSharon Larnia: attendance is variable from day to day then
Threedee Shepherd: steve, what's with the mist surrounding you?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, yesterday at this time there were quite a few ppl, many new
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s my aura, don;t get to close or you will glow
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: some times on one shows up
stevenaia Michinaga: but there is usually an appointed (or volunteered) "Guardian" here who post's the log when the meeting is done and thrys to maintain conversational direction id possible
SophiaSharon Larnia: I think I read every page of the wiki and peoples blogs this afternoon
stevenaia Michinaga: that would be me on Wednesdays at this time
stevenaia Michinaga: every page, that 4 a day for the better part of a year
stevenaia Michinaga: I am impressed
Threedee Shepherd: Sophia if you read all that and are still coming here--there must be something you have to say about it :D
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok skimmed a bit :D
stevenaia Michinaga: haha
stevenaia Michinaga: there are highlights for that reason, too
SophiaSharon Larnia: the general practive seems to advocate exactly what I have always knownb is my problem
stevenaia Michinaga: as you can see, the topic vary
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: to just stop
stevenaia Michinaga: your problem?
Threedee Shepherd: your *problem* or your passion?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I run away from what i think because i have no one to discuss it with for the most part, so I must just....stop
SophiaSharon Larnia: for 9 secs
stevenaia Michinaga: I actually enjoy the moments of letting go, tend to take more energy to hold on to things for me, so stoping is naturally easier
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s the reflection and seeing that takes getting used to
Threedee Shepherd: Sophia, it sounds hard to run away from yourself
SophiaSharon Larnia: the reflection and seeing is constant for me I block much of it out
SophiaSharon Larnia: or i could not functiom
Threedee Shepherd: like constant "noise"
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont mean to imply that I know anything at all because i do not
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure stop and block is the theme here
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no i know that
Threedee Shepherd: Sophia is it like overloading input?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes three dee love yur name btw
stevenaia Michinaga: the play of this group is to work it through, 9 seconds at a time
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes exactly
stevenaia Michinaga: even me, a relative "light" practicioner has had special moment
stevenaia Michinaga: s
SophiaSharon Larnia: my interest here is for new veiwing points, from others, so I really came to listen
SophiaSharon Larnia: what is a light practioner, someone who only does it once in a while
stevenaia Michinaga: sometime explaining your own contects (which is much of what we do here), helps you listen
stevenaia Michinaga: well , I could say I don;t do it every 15 minutes
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: people would wonder why my watch would go off, every 15 min
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: but there is a 15 minute chime here that helps
SophiaSharon Larnia: cool
SophiaSharon Larnia: so thats what it was for I wondered
Threedee Shepherd: eventually it becomes a habit
stevenaia Michinaga: yes...smiles...
stevenaia Michinaga: take a breath, I close my eyes, the time passes, the mind sometime races and then I'm back
stevenaia Michinaga: wonders where it goes sometimes
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps you know better than most Three?
stevenaia Michinaga: where the thoughts come from?
SophiaSharon Larnia: of course this current obsession totalk with others started with my obsession with the concept of time, i think that has been the topic for the last year :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: one of them
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, there is a regular time dicussion at the Kira Cafe
Threedee Shepherd: the thoughts are the brain/body trying to make sense of the chaos that is the world. It's a never-ending task
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is hard to come here, i want to repeat everything i said earlier, although I know it is recorded somewhere, i will sound like a broken record
stevenaia Michinaga: I think one intent of PaB is to relax ones obsessions and open up to see
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: have you come here a long time?
Threedee Shepherd: Is time fast, normal, galcial, ephemeral or what, for you Sophios?
Threedee Shepherd: *Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: blink, gone
stevenaia Michinaga: sI actually found my first meeting apperance, I think it was april 26th
SophiaSharon Larnia: its flying for us all, we all know this
SophiaSharon Larnia: last april?
stevenaia Michinaga: the one year anniversary of this group is April 1
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: just trying to understand 4d and what it means....
SophiaSharon Larnia: among other things
Threedee Shepherd: blink, it's gone, blink again and there is more.....
SophiaSharon Larnia: 5d
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: i am too mystical i hope the 9 sec every 15 min help ground me
stevenaia Michinaga: mystical?
SophiaSharon Larnia: and make this easier to put in words perhaps
SophiaSharon Larnia: how can i explain? 'feeling' information and an inability to express it words I'm sorry
stevenaia Michinaga: no rush, we will be here a few years I suspect
SophiaSharon Larnia: thats good
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
Threedee Shepherd: that makes sense. All information starts with the body/brain and only later becomes words.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I think you are right
Threedee Shepherd: does the information have colors, tastes, felt pressures?
SophiaSharon Larnia: it's like an extrasesory way to pick up info, but that is not a good way to explain it, as this is not 'extra' anything, it is our misunderstanding of it that makes it seems mysterious
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is natural
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh goodness i may never come back now lol
Threedee Shepherd: why not, please say more
stevenaia Michinaga: we all have unique abilities to understand and see
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is not so unique
SophiaSharon Larnia: i just feel like there is something telling me to wake up
SophiaSharon Larnia: now
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: please do
Threedee Shepherd: there is (at least) one participant in the this group who is ysnesthetic and for whom most "information" is polysensory. she is not here tonight.
Threedee Shepherd: *synesthetic
SophiaSharon Larnia: polysensory sound like fun
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel that there may be quite a few highly educated people here and i dont want o appear stupid
Threedee Shepherd: You said, SophiaSharon Larnia: i just feel like there is something telling me to wake up. There is often a dreamlike aspect of PaB conversations
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes a theta state or something like that
Threedee Shepherd: education has only a little to do with wisdom
SophiaSharon Larnia: it happens to me a lot on other occasions, why i do not meditate very often
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: it is something I have seen here, the wisdom of many
SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure
stevenaia Michinaga: Mystical is a nice term, not something you learn I suppose
SophiaSharon Larnia: there may be another word more appropriate
SophiaSharon Larnia: too much crown opening and not grounded
SophiaSharon Larnia: not a good thing
stevenaia Michinaga: looks for light from your head
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
stevenaia Michinaga: would you like an aura?
Threedee Shepherd: why does it matter to be grounded, or better grounded where?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel very brittle, like cracked crystal
SophiaSharon Larnia: where, that is a good question
SophiaSharon Larnia: in 3d that is where i live and work
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think it was my choice to be here
SophiaSharon Larnia: in body so.....
Threedee Shepherd: choice to BE, or choice to be in a particular body?
SophiaSharon Larnia: be in body
SophiaSharon Larnia: we all 'are'
SophiaSharon Larnia: that is my beleif anyway
SophiaSharon Larnia: this body contains a part of our higher consciousness, underneath the veil
SophiaSharon Larnia blushes
SophiaSharon Larnia: some may not agree
Threedee Shepherd: perhaps. Can you stop for a moment and consider whether this state IS the higher consciousness.
SophiaSharon Larnia: could you explain further?
Threedee Shepherd: perhaps the beingness that we all are might need a specific locus of experience (brain/body) in order to contemplate and expand itself
SophiaSharon Larnia: to experience
Threedee Shepherd: an instantiation
SophiaSharon Larnia: time
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm
Threedee Shepherd: a spacetime locus we refer to as "me" even if there is nothing extra that is me (a shorthand)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i have thought of that before but from a different path
SophiaSharon Larnia: but there is more here than that isn't there?
Threedee Shepherd: more in what sense
SophiaSharon Larnia: interactions with other
SophiaSharon Larnia: lag
Threedee Shepherd: of course, there would be no instantiation without "other"
SophiaSharon Larnia: other veiwing points of the One (ducks)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm
Threedee Shepherd: The One appears to be itself in ways it does not always seem to "know" like my not knowing how my back looks. If so, the experiences of the specific that we have may be a way of seeking more wisdom.
SophiaSharon Larnia: through experience
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok i understand that
Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps being, even "allbeing" cannot "know" itselof just by meditation, but needs specific experiences to see the unfolding of its possibilities
stevenaia Michinaga: it can't be just that (esperiance) or we all would be wise
SophiaSharon Larnia: which requires the use of time I guess
Threedee Shepherd: well, steve, as the saying goes, Good decisions comes from wisdom, wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from bad decisions.
SophiaSharon Larnia: which i feel, is where we are now, in this world
stevenaia Michinaga: and some can't put together A to B to C as well as others
stevenaia Michinaga: others can more easily
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think all will eventually be able to Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: that is the difference I am refering to
Threedee Shepherd: perhaps each of us is a case of the all-being working to experience a new and different aspect of itself?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: however
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok i get exactly what your saying really, but i find it somewhat distasteful, i am not agruing against it for sure
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to be blunt
Threedee Shepherd: I am pondering, not pontificating. Tell me what is distasteful, so I can ponder more, please.
SophiaSharon Larnia: to be...would imply experiencing everything there is to experience, the good and bad
SophiaSharon Larnia: and that rubs my fur the wrong way
SophiaSharon Larnia: although i have no arguement against it
Threedee Shepherd: often, here at PaB, there are members who assert that "Everything arises perfectly" and that good and bad are judgements, not actualities
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i understand, i saw the judgement in my statement as I was making it
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry
stevenaia Michinaga: no need to apologize here
Threedee Shepherd: I think it is important to recognize the word "Play" in PlayAsBeing. for me it means exploring ideas without necessarily accepting or denying them--playing with them, instead, to experience where that goes
SophiaSharon Larnia listening
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
Threedee Shepherd: I want to be very clear that nothing you have said, Sophia, offends me in any way.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i didn't think it did :)
stevenaia Michinaga: a relaxed way of learning to understand without requiring you to understand
stevenaia Michinaga: Play
Threedee Shepherd: excatly
Threedee Shepherd: exactly
SophiaSharon Larnia: i am so happy to find this place i forgot
SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL
Threedee Shepherd: In a space that is safe and accepting.
SophiaSharon Larnia: the recording makes me a little frightened, i am somewhat shy
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps think of it as a way of not being later misquoted :D
SophiaSharon Larnia: Thank you for your time, I will think on what we have talked about here
stevenaia Michinaga: not to worry we all have put our foot in our mouths at some point and haven;t looked back
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes that is the benefit!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol stevenaia
SophiaSharon Larnia: have a great night!!!! see you later I hope
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you
Threedee Shepherd: Well, it has been good talking with you sophia.
SophiaSharon Larnia: u too
Threedee Shepherd: Question: Why am I HERE?
stevenaia Michinaga: I forgot to ask what brought her to the meeting this afternoon
Threedee Shepherd: Answer: Because I am not somewhere else.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Threedee Shepherd: Observation: Time does not vary, it is always today (or NOW)
stevenaia Michinaga: are you competeing with Squee tonight?
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
stevenaia Michinaga: well I must go, an interesting evening
Threedee Shepherd: It is, for me, an interesting thought, that THIS is the highest spiritual state--heaven, or whatever.
stevenaia Michinaga: heaven? on earth or in yur mind?
Threedee Shepherd: both
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Threedee Shepherd: g'night, then
stevenaia Michinaga: night