2009.05.07 01:00 - Hay fever, food and Falun Gong

The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments will probably not appear unless someone wants to volunteer.

Moon Fargis: mooorning :)
Fael Illyar: Morning Moon :)
Fael Illyar: ooo, flowers :)
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
Moon Fargis: ahh 1 AM meetings.. enjoyed lots of teas in silence while havng them :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar meeps loudly to break the silence!
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| miaaauuuu |•·˙
Moon Fargis spys a bit at his customers profiles :)
Fael Illyar: interesting hay fever season :)
Moon Fargis: yes?
Fael Illyar: only getting partial symptoms :P
Fael Illyar: and so far those have been irregular too.
Moon Fargis: hmhm you know wich grass you are allergic against ?
Fael Illyar: nope
Fael Illyar: I know some that I was tested against many many years ago but don't remember all of the 10 tried and it's probably old information anyhow.
Moon Fargis: hmhm
Fael Illyar: wasn't just grass, at least one tree was in the mix plus animals.
Moon Fargis: hmhm just remembered how many religous sects ay that such comes from psychic problems and how they decline medicine aso..
Moon Fargis: for example scientlology
Fael Illyar: seems to be true, that one.
Moon Fargis: hm i think its halftrue
Moon Fargis: as nne should just blend out the natural state of the body
Moon Fargis: and only focus on the mind
Fael Illyar: nne?
Moon Fargis: noone
Moon Fargis: ^^
Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, certainly the state of your body has effects there as well :)
Moon Fargis: yes for example if you got a bad flu ..then its avirus attacking you body.. nothing much todo with mind there
Moon Fargis: still those sects decline such medicineh elp often
Fael Illyar: the only thing mind can have to do with it is to make a difference whether or not the virus survives long enough to begin attacking I guess.
Fael Illyar: but... weren't we talking hay fever?
Moon Fargis: :)
Moon Fargis: well even in hay fever the body accidently reacty on some spores flying around thinking those are virus attacks
Moon Fargis: or others mostly
Fael Illyar: Yes, wouldn't that sound like something mind would have a lot to do with? :)
Fael Illyar is challenging the accidentally part.
Fael Illyar: body has got an idea that those are dangerous, even when they aren't and overreacts causing worse things than whatever it was attacking. Sounds like a typical psychic problem, no?
Fael Illyar: wb :)
Moon Fargis: thx
Moon Fargis: the interet connection again
Fael Illyar: [01:27 AM] Fael Illyar: Yes, wouldn't that sound like something mind would have a lot to do with? :) [01:28 AM] Fael Illyar is challenging the accidentally part. [01:29 AM] Popla Kyogen is Online [01:29 AM] Fael Illyar: body has got an idea that those are dangerous, even when they aren't and overreacts causing worse things than whatever it was attacking. Sounds like a typical psychic problem, no?
Moon Fargis: ahh there but then t would be body psychical and not 100% mind psychical
Moon Fargis: saw so often that, for example babys and little children who often played ith pets, like cats, started to get allergic against them
Moon Fargis: wich is something i still not understand quiet well
Fael Illyar: they get bad experiences with them and start to subconsciously reject the pets and therefore the body starts rejecting them too?
Fael Illyar: there's no clear separation between mind and body, remember?
Moon Fargis: hmm well know 2 of such cases in my family and so far no bad haend to them no
Moon Fargis: yep i remember sure :)
Moon Fargis: but doubt the mind says ..just for fun to the body.. "hey.. now reacty like maniac on that this and that"
Fael Illyar: well, yes, I doubt they realize what they're doing.
Fael Illyar: but it doesn't need something serious for the rejection to begin. It mostly only needs the cat (or whatever) to go with it's own will and not the will of the child.
Moon Fargis: hmhm but even when the mind now says stop, i might need time for the body also to stop..as the immune system is trained
Moon Fargis: to act allergic
Fael Illyar: Yes, exactly.
Fael Illyar: it has a mind of it's own of sorts :)
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
Fael Illyar: but that mind is connected with the rest of the body and mind
Fael Illyar: a child who has just started playing around with rejection might easily get that part into rejecting things too.
Fael Illyar: without realizing what it will do.
Moon Fargis: ^^
Fael Illyar: Hi Star :)
Moon Fargis: ^^/
Moon Fargis: :)
Moon Fargis: star needs a shower?:)
Moon Fargis: bath ?:)
Moon Fargis: *giggles*
Stargate Tone: *
Stargate Tone: good morning *
Fael Illyar: Good morning :)
Moon Fargis: ^^ brb nature calls back
Stargate Tone: ...forgot the time again
Stargate Tone: was in fact trying to understand the date and the time of the clock, and just found myself logging in
Fael Illyar: :)
Fael Illyar: I was late 5 minutes myself :)
Fael Illyar: ... from an empty pavilion.
Stargate Tone: *
Fael Illyar: didn't try to understand the time (hadn't looked at the clock) but a pull towards logging in SL :)
Moon Fargis purrrrrrsssssssss
Stargate Tone: wb Moon
Moon Fargis: thx
Stargate Tone: U also lost the time ?
Moon Fargis: no :)
Fael Illyar: well, I had just woken up... probably a minute or two after 1AM SLT.
Stargate Tone: so U remembered it's Faels slot ?
Moon Fargis: ah no had no clue :)
Stargate Tone: wow
Stargate Tone: U rolled them lines ?
Moon Fargis: jep
Stargate Tone: well...what brought you to log in then ?
Moon Fargis: hmm that i woke up :)
Fael Illyar: do you always login when you wake up?
Moon Fargis: well after i had the morning shower and have the breakfast in my hands..then i login :)
Fael Illyar: I see :)
Stargate Tone: always ?
Moon Fargis: yeps
Moon Fargis: every morning
Stargate Tone: ah
Fael Illyar: I attempted to make some breakfast but the pull towards logging in was strong enough that I only managed to switch on the water boiler :)
Stargate Tone: I didn't manage to do even that yet :)*
Fael Illyar: but since no-one was here, I had time to make myself some hot chocolate :)
Stargate Tone: **
Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
Stargate Tone: well...are U both in Ur own eartly body's location fully now ?
Fael Illyar: Yes ...
Fael Illyar: I am
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
Moon Fargis: but have susi on my lap :)
Fael Illyar: does that make a difference? :)
Moon Fargis: dunno where she is :)
Stargate Tone: well...I dont exactly know where I am..
Fael Illyar: She part of your eartly body? :)
Stargate Tone: mine ?...well could be also now...
Stargate Tone: or me part of her body...
Fael Illyar asking Moon, actually.
Moon Fargis: ah susi
Stargate Tone: (knew; still)
Stargate Tone: cuz Susi cannot answer herself :)
Moon Fargis: hmm as she sleeps now i cant answer that :)
Stargate Tone: well...in a way she did :)
Stargate Tone: lol
Fael Illyar: just wondering why bring up Susi when asked about your earthly body :) ... unless Susi was included in the question?
Stargate Tone: think she was/is
Stargate Tone: thinking my location...which I experience with my earthly body :)*
Stargate Tone: so...is that all my eartly body do experience...part of it ...
Stargate Tone: think that's a good question...
Stargate Tone: donno...just think so...
Moon Fargis puts some sandwich in the pab listener
Fael Illyar giggles.
Fael Illyar: be careful, it might choke on it :)
Stargate Tone: or stop listening...cuz dont hear :)
Moon Fargis: biinng
Moon Fargis takes out his hot sandwich
Moon Fargis: (great microwave:)
Stargate Tone: ah yes
Stargate Tone: many ppl say that it's no good,,,that it 'eats' the good energies from food...
Stargate Tone: but at least I've got same stuff back which I've set there...just more warm :)
Fael Illyar: yes, my experience too :)
Stargate Tone: hm...well...maybe added with some more,,,if set some freezed...
Stargate Tone: which have given some more oxidin into the stuff as the ice has melted
Fael Illyar: maybe they warm the food too much.
Stargate Tone: well...they use to explaine the lost to happen for them microwaves...
Stargate Tone: that they destroy something
Fael Illyar: well, yes, they do make for some chemical reactions in the food that are different than those which happen when it's warmed with more traditional ways
Moon Fargis: yes thats true
Stargate Tone: well...I take them microvawes to be more gentle...
Fael Illyar: I remember hearing someone complaining that microwaved food tastes a bit lik fsh.
Fael Illyar: fish
Moon Fargis: theh he should stop making fish in it :)
Fael Illyar: He doesn't like fish :)
Stargate Tone: interesting...might that one had fish there much and not cleaned it off it..
Fael Illyar: doesn't make it :)
Stargate Tone: ohhh
Stargate Tone: even more interesting experience then
Moon Fargis: hmhm wouldnt that also ne a physical reaction then ?
Moon Fargis: psychical
Fael Illyar: well, yes
Fael Illyar: well, one of those at least :)
Fael Illyar: I also remember reading some kind of article on some science magazine about that.
Fael Illyar: that the difference in the reactions comes from the speed with which the food warms up
Stargate Tone: well; indeed finds that kind of experience as interesting...using the microwave oven much, but never got such myself...having very sensitive taste too....
Fael Illyar: probably means that when I put some frozen sandwiches in there and use the lowest power, it probably doesn't make a difference
Stargate Tone: have learned that bread would get 'stony' if uses too high speed
Stargate Tone: like pies and such stuff too
Fael Illyar: hard?
Stargate Tone: yea
Fael Illyar: yes, loses water since it vaporizes
Stargate Tone: yea
Moon Fargis: hmm
Moon Fargis: well depends on the sandwiches
Stargate Tone: (done that failure too; still; no fish taste)
Stargate Tone: sure; much
Stargate Tone: as well as if to use the toaster..which I prefere
Moon Fargis: when i make fresh ones the bread goes not hard, it gets .. well the oppiside way cus of the vaporizng water of the meant and vegetables
Moon Fargis: thats whyi never make sandwiches in microfave but use the oven
Moon Fargis: with hot air
Fael Illyar: also possible that there is a taste it might cause but that's not quite fish. Even if some things about it are close to it.
Stargate Tone: *
Fael Illyar: I'd call that heating it up a bit too much ;)
Stargate Tone: well...thought of them black cassies...why only home made juice has the medicine effect
Moon Fargis: btw you got a toaster?
Fael Illyar: me? yes
Moon Fargis: theres a simple delicous recept .. use normal brown bread you can get and but it into the toaster so it gets cross
Moon Fargis: then add salt over it and eat ^^
Stargate Tone: that something there's withing the industrial ways to make that juice, that them berries looses something
Moon Fargis: did that yesterday and coudltn stp eating :)
Stargate Tone: *
Moon Fargis: star: sometimes the indurty makes it hot for a short time to kill bacterias so the juice thays fresh longer
Moon Fargis: but just the juices in the glassbottles
Fael Illyar: gets cross? sorry?
Moon Fargis: hmm
Moon Fargis: sorry ehm let me quickly find the right word
Stargate Tone: so it can be that too much heating
Moon Fargis: crispy
Stargate Tone: **
Fael Illyar: Ah, yes :)
Fael Illyar: boil the water out :)
Moon Fargis: yes but not too much :) shoudlnt get stonehard:)
Moon Fargis: just nice crispy wand still a bit soft inside :)
Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
Fael Illyar found out something interesting yesterday.
Moon Fargis: ahh must go now
Fael Illyar: China has outlawed Falun Gong
Stargate Tone: wishing U good Day Moon *
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: see you soone my friends
Fael Illyar: as to why... over 10000 Falun Gong Practitioners had a silent protest at the Chinese Communist Party's headquarters one day.
Fael Illyar: See you later Moon :)
Fael Illyar: so they decided to outlaw it.
Fael Illyar: that was in 1999
Stargate Tone: *
Stargate Tone: ..and ?
Fael Illyar: according to their records in 1998, there were 70 million Falun Gong practitioners in China 1998
Stargate Tone: *
Fael Illyar: just wide eyed at China's government going after such a number of people
Fael Illyar: Apparently there's still conflict over it.
Stargate Tone: well....many of them was put to the jail...
Fael Illyar: Yes, and tortured...
Stargate Tone: you know why ?
Fael Illyar: they were threatening the Communist Party's power
Stargate Tone: which way ?
Fael Illyar: what do you mean which way?
Stargate Tone: which way did they threatened it's power ?
Fael Illyar: general opinion?
Fael Illyar has no clue really what you're asking.
Fael Illyar: they dared to show that there are lots of people who don't want whatever changes the Communist Party was making
Stargate Tone: well...I can understand that such people cannot be ruled over by any such power,,,
Fael Illyar: Well, luckily Falun Gong never kept any records of their members.
Stargate Tone: but...thinking that how they was treated...would've hurt even that power even more...
Stargate Tone: so...as my way of thinking that's not any existing true power
Stargate Tone: which can be hurted by Falun Gong...
Stargate Tone: but...well...I have not much understanding of politic....never had
Stargate Tone: even some ppl say that all 'between' ppl is politic...
Fael Illyar: Well, they certainly have enough power that they can imprison many of the Falun Gong people and to make it harder for people to get information about them.
Fael Illyar: (other than criticism)
Stargate Tone: ...thinking also Nelson Mandela...
Stargate Tone: ..thinking I couldn't survive in prison...not even if thinking that millions of people would get free for that
Stargate Tone: but thinking also, that them people who had to suffer that, could survive for that reason...
Fael Illyar: well, I read that 50% of the people in Chinese Prisons and work camps today are Falun Gong people.
Fael Illyar: At least they won't be lonely there.
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: who knows, maybe they'll even convert the criminals too :)
Stargate Tone: thinking now even more that they can even take there life to have devine purpose
Stargate Tone: convert = ?
Fael Illyar: käännyttää
Stargate Tone: I'de call that to help them...
Fael Illyar: Yes, it'd be that :)
Stargate Tone: I've thought of them ppl much, and thought that they maybe dont suffer so much that it looks like...for example if I think that I'de be one of them
Stargate Tone: but yes; at the frist place...I thought them to have the stronger power already when they started to practice that
Fael Illyar: also, there's no way they can fit 70 million people in prisons.
Stargate Tone: true
Stargate Tone: and all they can have the spiritual connection between each other
Fael Illyar: I'm rather dumbfounded that they're even trying to fight them.
Fael Illyar: (Chinese Communist party that is)
Fael Illyar: umm... ok, my attempt at clarifying wasn't too clear :)
Fael Illyar: I'm rather Dumbfounded that the Chinese Government is trying to fight the Falun Gong people.
Stargate Tone: well...I've asked many ppl if they could've explaine me what communism is,,,but...still I have not 'got it'...
Stargate Tone: but heared only bad things included to it
Stargate Tone: yet...wondering why so many millions of ppl have voted such power to grow and come true...
Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, there's the theory of communism, by Carl Marx and then there's the practical implementations .... which I wouldn't really call Communist at all. Totalitarian if anything.
Fael Illyar: People are not yet ready to have true communism.
Stargate Tone: ...well; know Carl Marx thought...and cannot see anything wrong with that...but to make that to come true in practice...have no idea how that could happen
Stargate Tone: so...is it then in fact, that ppl only call 'something' to be communism even it is not ?
Fael Illyar: Well, yes, of course.
Stargate Tone: ty Fael
Fael Illyar: They're people who're trying to force the idea on people.
Stargate Tone: I think that you have now expleined me something I've pondered almost whole my life
Fael Illyar: originally... I suspect now it's just people who want to keep the power they have for being at the top of the hierarchy.
Fael Illyar: phone
Stargate Tone: and to do that; it's 'just normal'...
Stargate Tone: *
Stargate Tone: so...to my understanding, them Falu Gong ppl are more as communists than the chinese goverment...
Stargate Tone: so...they in fact are no threat to the communism....
Stargate Tone: ...well...at least I feel that I got the answer...which way they are the threat; no way
Fael Illyar: :)
Stargate Tone: but sure; the true threat to such ppl who wanna rule over other ppl...but the sentece which says that they would be threat to communism,,,
Stargate Tone: understand now the 'odd' feeling I had ...which created my questions
Stargate Tone: well; the most difficult 'part' of Carl Marks' said idea is, that who's capable to 'judge' that who is capabul to what...
Stargate Tone: as that I take that ppl judge much both; themeselves to try to be more capabul too, but much more ppl take other pple to be capable to more ....
Stargate Tone: at least they expect, and that's he creator of disappointments...which creates more sufforing...
Stargate Tone: ah well...so much there's mystical things in world...to little person to understand
Fael Illyar: ok, call over, got some work.
Stargate Tone: **
Fael Illyar: call came again
Stargate Tone: wishing U good working time
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Stargate Tone: hearts