2009.05.08 01:00 - Politics and other games

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    Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session.


    Wol Euler: hello moon
    Moon Fargis: morning :)
    Wol Euler: how are you today?
    Moon Fargis: so so:)
    Moon Fargis: couldve sleep better
    Wol Euler: hello tarmel, star
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi we were over at Star's
    Wol Euler: I was just about to give up on this session and go to work :)
    Stargate Tone: Hello Wol
    Stargate Tone: rehi Tarmel and Moon
    Moon Fargis: heh
    Tarmel Udimo: Oh sorry, I thought you might be getting bored so i suggested we come here
    Wol Euler: thank you
    Tarmel Udimo: but we can always pretend that we didn't and let you get to work:)
    Wol Euler: :-P
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: in that case I will refresh my coffee
    Stargate Tone: that we can pretend yes :)*
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe
    Tarmel Udimo: so its work or PaB
    Moon Fargis: | miaaauuuu |
    Tarmel Udimo: ****Howlllzzzzzzzz****
    Tarmel Udimo: are you back?
    Wol Euler whistles tunelessly and taps her teeth with a pencil stub
    Wol Euler: yep :) but I returned during the silence so didn't speak
    Stargate Tone: wb Wol
    Tarmel Udimo: have your coffee?
    Wol Euler: right here...
    Stargate Tone: ahh
    Stargate Tone: so; U r master of Ur own time when to work ?
    Wol Euler: sort of :)


    Tarmel tells us of her gameplaying outside SL, which mutates into a discussion of gender and politics.

    Tarmel Udimo: I've been playing EVE online, do any of you know it?
    Moon Fargis: yep
    Wol Euler: tarmel: say more?
    Tarmel Udimo: its a great game
    Moon Fargis: tarmel: played it for the time they allowed me to play free
    Tarmel Udimo: and did you like it?
    Wol Euler: is that an online RP?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes, its set in space
    Moon Fargis: its ok.. i expected more that its a realtime fight game
    Tarmel Udimo: comes out of Iceland I think
    Moon Fargis: beside the trading
    Wol Euler: wow; but then why not?
    Tarmel Udimo: that's what i like about it not too much fighting
    Tarmel Udimo: I joined WOW 
    Tarmel Udimo: got very bored very quickly:)
    Stargate Tone: U tell more about it ?
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Stargate Tone: oh
    Tarmel Udimo: well it is apparently based on ecofeminism 
    Moon Fargis: well i didnt wanted to spend money on t so i cancelled
    Moon Fargis: sl drains enought money alreadY:)
    Wol Euler: aaah
    Stargate Tone: **
    Wol Euler: "ecofeminism" sounds like a worthy cause.
    Tarmel Udimo: but not sure how that resonates through the game
    Tarmel Udimo: well that's what's fascinating me Moon, just how popular these games are
    Tarmel Udimo: and how much $ people are making
    Stargate Tone: maybe I dont quite understand that word; understand 'feminism'...
    Stargate Tone: but what is this 'add' 'eco'....I donno...
    Tarmel Udimo: WOW is $14.95 pr month and with millions of players that tells you how much money is being made:)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Tarmel Udimo: well I am not sure either Star except when i looked it up its a return to a matriarchal culture
    Stargate Tone: ah
    Stargate Tone: then I understand
    Tarmel Udimo: which can't be a bad thing:)
    Tarmel Udimo: at the top of the list is respect for womanhood
    Stargate Tone: ah...well...I dont exactly see it to be good thing if the power is based on the gender....
    Tarmel Udimo: but in EVE online, you get to travel through space in a virtual world
    Stargate Tone: and that's something loveable I understand :)
    Tarmel Udimo: well if you see genders as having architypal qualities
    Stargate Tone: but yes; there's been times for woman and now it's been times for men to rule
    Tarmel Udimo: then its moving away from a male approach which tends to be more aggressive
    Wol Euler grins
    Stargate Tone: well...to me there's only one thing that woman can do, but man not...
    Moon Fargis looks around and feels himself surrounded by womans atm
    Tarmel Udimo: its not really about having any gender ruling, that's the point
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: don't worry, moon, we don't bite in public
    Stargate Tone: I myself have done more 'men's' work in my life, than 'women's'
    Moon Fargis: meep
    Moon Fargis: *mews*
    Tarmel Udimo: *mews*
    Stargate Tone: or at least dont eat without biting :)*
    Stargate Tone: but I also have got much 'looks' doing them 'men's' work....
    Tarmel Udimo: I'm not sure why this subject is always so fraught with passion
    Wol Euler: because change is frightening?
    Stargate Tone: ah...think we here dont have so much passion to this :)***
    Stargate Tone: (thinking we dont 'do' much difference for the gender)
    Moon Fargis: binng
    Stargate Tone: *
    Tarmel Udimo: yes change is frightening
    Tarmel Udimo: but I don't understand why its not accpetable for us to enjoy our differences
    Tarmel Udimo: I would hate to live in a world with just women or just men:)
    Stargate Tone: ah; thinking the french sayin :)***
    Stargate Tone: and thankfully it's no more such so clearly


    The discussion turns outright political.

    Stargate Tone: btw; did you know that our president is a woman ?
    Tarmel Udimo: which country again
    Stargate Tone: also our prime minister was, but that was 'fauls tragedy', as she was only used to get votes
    Stargate Tone: Finland
    Stargate Tone: and the man who was to rise onto that chair, planned all vith his friends very carefully
    Stargate Tone: and they 'shot down' this woman with lies
    Stargate Tone: and she trusted to most worse enemy , and didn't bring out the truth early enough
    Stargate Tone: as she was advised to keep the silence
    Stargate Tone: so; it's not always golden
    Stargate Tone: silence I mean
    Stargate Tone: it was too late for her to birng the truth to the cort of law
    Stargate Tone: cuz to be prime minister is based on that publick opinion
    Stargate Tone: and sadly human mind still remember more easy the 'frist info' in case it's bad
    Stargate Tone: that the correction
    Wol Euler nods
    Stargate Tone: (sometimes thought that the whol Europe laughs for Finland for this)
    Wol Euler: oh no, we are far too busy laughing and sneering at Berlusconi :-/
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Stargate Tone: ahh
    Stargate Tone: well; that's what we here have done too :)***
    Stargate Tone: specially when he told that finnish food is awful :)
    Stargate Tone: and he was not ever fed with them most odd food we have :)
    Stargate Tone: but yes; 'today' so huge many people in Finland too, are lookin upon USA
    Stargate Tone: and having hope; much hope for the better future to come to the whole wide world
    Wol Euler: well, having seen one mistake made we can now hope to avoid that one in future...
    Wol Euler: having seen how the crooks and scumbags operate, we can be watchful for them next time
    Stargate Tone: that's what I believe to be learning :)*
    Wol Euler: right :)
    Wol Euler: not preventing all mistakes, that is impossible, but at least making newer and better ones :)
    Stargate Tone: well...I base my hope much to i-net too; how people can join all over the world and help each other to learn
    Stargate Tone: as I dont believe that any political leader/leading can make the difference
    Stargate Tone: that it comes from people; nation/s
    Stargate Tone: and that's why; to be able to compare, I take that for example Tarmel's known game is good tihng
    Stargate Tone: thing
    Stargate Tone: some woman wants to be the 'boss' and can find such man who wants such woman to be his life company (to chooce is not easy to all of the ppl; nothing to do if is male or female)
    Wol Euler: moon, you're being very quiet. What do you think?
    Stargate Tone: (thinking one person who I guided to understand, that this person is the leader...this person said at first, that 'I dont want to lead'...soon there appeard the insight that the person whos' the good leader dont want to lead)
    Stargate Tone: prefer to say ; dont have passion to that, but to seek the best way
    Moon Fargis: dont make differences between men and woman.. i expect womans can be much bore cruel when it comes to a point, and a good mixture of being woman men and a thing can be seen in germany as our angela merkel ^^
    Moon Fargis: and somehow it works :)
    Stargate Tone: U'de tell more of angela merkel ?
    Moon Fargis: wol whats "kanzler" in english ?
    Wol Euler: chancellor, close to "prime minister"
    Moon Fargis: ah yes
    Wol Euler: boss, but not all-powerful like a president
    Wol Euler: boss by consensus and negotiation
    Stargate Tone: *
    Moon Fargis: yes but stays on the media 400% more then the president
    Wol Euler: oh yes, the German president is a nonentity-role
    Moon Fargis: verry seldom we see our president showing in tv

    Germany has both a Chancellor (executive head of government, directly elected) and a President (representative head of state, elected by Parliament.

    Stargate Tone: (so does our prime minister, but for his woman adventures)
    Moon Fargis: and its funny.. when angela meets for example lots of other politicans, all mens are dressed black.. but she mostly dressed in a red costume :)
    Stargate Tone: smiles *
    Wol Euler: men who don't dress in black or dark blue are not taken seriously
    Stargate Tone: she wants do, not only to speak
    Moon Fargis: http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,722818,00.jpg
    Wol Euler: wb tarmel
    Moon Fargis: wb
    Stargate Tone: wb
    Wol Euler: heh, how many of them can you name?
    Moon Fargis: 2 maybe :)
    Moon Fargis: didnt look close enoght
    Tarmel Udimo: couldn't type there for a min
    Moon Fargis: ane even if i know them i forget names always
    Stargate Tone: ah; and even orange :)***
    Wol Euler: I think I know two faces, but only one name
    Stargate Tone: that's something :)***
    Wol Euler: sorry my dears, but I must go. Please continue to talk, I'll post the log this evening.
    Stargate Tone: well; the first one on left, is our prime minister
    Tarmel Udimo: ok
    Tarmel Udimo: by wol
    Stargate Tone: Good Night Wol
    Wol Euler: bye for now, enjoy your Fridays
    Stargate Tone: have good rest *
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Tarmel Udimo: I'm going to head back to my game
    Moon Fargis: he can spit putin on the head :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Tarmel Udimo: see you both, thanks for the egg and diamond
    Moon Fargis: bye tarmel :)
    Stargate Tone: smiles *
    Stargate Tone: see you *
    Tarmel Udimo: waves
    Moon Fargis: ok lets go back :)
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