2009.05.14 13:00 - A rose would smell as sweet

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    I sat in the pavilion with just eight cushions showing.

    Fefonz Quan: Hello Storm, Aurel
    aurel Miles: the circle is different
    aurel Miles: how come?
    Storm Nordwind: Hi both!
    aurel Miles: Hi fefonz
    aurel Miles: Hi Storm
    Fefonz Quan: Storm has many abilities :)
    Storm Nordwind: Guardians have the power to change it
    aurel Miles: how?
    aurel Miles: i feel as though i have suddenly been given all these special powers (and responsibilities) and don't yet know how to use them.
    Storm Nordwind: I've sent you an IM so you can find out how
    aurel Miles: thank you
    Fefonz Quan: i guess you assumed othes here know how to do it ?
    Storm Nordwind: By convention, the guardian on call (me today) can choose the layout of the pool
    aurel Miles: that's cool

    The guardian can choose to keep the pool with its high fountain and 24 cushions around, or they can lower the fountain, or they can remove the pool altogether showing and extra 8 cushions in the center, or they can show only the central 8 cushions.

    Storm Nordwind: Do you know Fefonz?
    aurel Miles: and we also get a place to live
    aurel Miles: which is interesting
    Fefonz Quan: i guess i did, but forgot
    aurel Miles: i haven't looked yet
    Storm Nordwind: Yes if you want one aurel!
    aurel Miles: maybe
    aurel Miles smiles
    aurel Miles: this week has been full of gifts and blessings
    aurel Miles: ok
    Storm Nordwind: That sounds encouraging!
    aurel Miles: i have a million things to tell
    aurel Miles: so i am going to tell one
    aurel Miles: cause waiting and trying to listen does not seem to be working out that well

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    We talked of weather...

    aurel Miles: during my 9 seconds, i looked out the window and saw the wind blowing the trees around lioke crazy. I do not like the wind so I was glad I was not outside. But I remembered a cartoon I saw once where Rose, the main character, was leaning against a tree in late spring. It was very snowy, as it often is here.
    aurel Miles: And she was leaning against this tree thinking - no matter how it looks right now
    aurel Miles: the spring will come
    aurel Miles: and the snow will melt
    aurel Miles: and that thought cheered her up
    aurel Miles: and then the next frame was a wider view
    aurel Miles: and you could see a snowman leaning against the same tree
    aurel Miles: and thinking the same thing
    aurel Miles: and sighing sadly.
    Storm Nordwind: I like that
    Fefonz Quan nods
    aurel Miles: i do not like the wind - but i bet the trees do.
    aurel Miles: i think of that often.
    Storm Nordwind likes the wind - as you can guess! :)
    aurel Miles: ha ha ha
    aurel Miles: i bet you do!

    ... and then of names

    Storm Nordwind: My name in RL is also Storm
    aurel Miles: really?
    Storm Nordwind: Or rather a longer version of it
    aurel Miles: what is that?
    Storm Nordwind: Stormerne
    Storm Nordwind: Which is Old North European for Storm Eagle
    aurel Miles: in real life my name is Stephanie - Laurel was supposed to be a pun on my name
    Storm Nordwind: The erne is white tailed sea eagle
    aurel Miles: but i lost the L when I signed up and ended up being the listener instead.
    aurel Miles: aurel
    aurel Miles: lovely
    aurel Miles: to be named for an eagle
    aurel Miles: i am named for a crown
    aurel Miles: a Laurel garland actually
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. It is Greek for crown
    aurel Miles: the poet's laurel

    ... and then whether a person's name affects them in some way.

    aurel Miles: do you think your name effects your path through life?
    Storm Nordwind: A very interesting question
    Storm Nordwind: The answer has to be yes
    Fefonz Quan: sure
    Storm Nordwind: It affects how others see you
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Storm Nordwind: It can even affect how you think of yourself - if you let it!
    aurel Miles: i have seen situations where it effects people when they do not even know its meaning.
    Storm Nordwind: But I think it affects you via others mostly. They use your name more often in their words and thoughts than you do yourself
    aurel Miles: true
    Fefonz Quan: i agree Storm.
    aurel Miles: but then why would it effect our professions?
    aurel Miles: i see that a lot
    Fefonz Quan: and when they use it, first they see the others they know bearing this name, and they have some pre concept about it
    Storm Nordwind: True Fefonz. Can you give some examples aurel?
    aurel Miles: lots
    aurel Miles: John Tory - former leader of the provincial Tories in Ontario
    aurel Miles: Stephen King
    aurel Miles: same first name as me
    aurel Miles: and wildly successfukl
    Fefonz Quan: what about S. king?
    Storm Nordwind: For every Stephen that is successful i suspect there are 100 that are not so
    Fefonz Quan nods
    aurel Miles: maybe
    aurel Miles: but i have never met anyone whose name was antithetical to what they do for a living
    aurel Miles: and every day i meet more whose names are what they do
    aurel Miles: even me
    aurel Miles: i am a writer
    aurel Miles: and apoet
    Fefonz Quan: and why stephanie correspond to taht?
    Fefonz Quan: that*
    aurel Miles: the greek crown
    aurel Miles: stephanos
    aurel Miles: was awarded to poets
    aurel Miles: among others
    aurel Miles: but that is where the name comes from
    Fefonz Quan: ah, nice
    aurel Miles: and also why we say
    aurel Miles: Poet Laureate
    Storm Nordwind: We have a new one
    aurel Miles: in England
    aurel Miles: yes
    aurel Miles: a woman
    Storm Nordwind: The first time it has been a woman
    aurel Miles: yes
    Storm Nordwind: for over 300 years
    Fefonz Quan: what is Lureate?
    aurel Miles: Laureate
    aurel Miles: one who is the chief of poets i guess
    aurel Miles: the one who writes for the country
    aurel Miles: speaks for the nation
    Storm Nordwind: Generally it means most highly acclaimed
    Fefonz Quan: ok, thanks
    Storm Nordwind: But for poets, it is an official honour
    aurel Miles: that comes with a lot of booze
    Storm Nordwind: When there are royal occasions they are supposed to write poems in celebration
    aurel Miles: specifically sherry
    Storm Nordwind: They eschew the booze now
    Fefonz Quan: i see many people whos name have nothing to do with their profession
    aurel Miles: i guess they understand that being a poet is not exactly easy
    aurel Miles: but have you looked deeper?
    aurel Miles: into their middle names?
    aurel Miles: or the meanings of their names?
    aurel Miles: the roots
    Fefonz Quan: no midle name mostly where i live
    Fefonz Quan: middle*
    aurel Miles: where do you live?
    Storm Nordwind does not have a middle name
    Fefonz Quan: in israel
    aurel Miles: oh
    aurel Miles: hmmm
    aurel Miles: in jewish tradition children are named for relatives who have passed on
    Fefonz Quan: not always, sometimes
    aurel Miles: but they usually have middle names

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    Mick joined our happy band, and continued pretty much as we'd started.

    aurel Miles: at least - everyone i know but my jewish family is of european extraction, so that might make a difference.
    aurel Miles: Hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hi, sorry I am late
    Fefonz Quan: american jewsish may have
    aurel Miles: what about the names we choose?
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi
    Fefonz Quan: which ones? in SL?
    aurel Miles: sure - that's an apt example
    Fefonz Quan: sure, they have more connection, but that is not surprising. similar to the fact that i guess 50% of the passwords in the world are the family members of the passworder
    aurel Miles: hmm
    aurel Miles: i am not sure you can say that in absolute terms
    aurel Miles: i am always leery of absolutes
    Fefonz Quan: didn't measure, but it can be measured
    aurel Miles: how?
    Mickorod Renard: what is the subject tonite?
    Fefonz Quan: about the password? it is just a technical issue,
    aurel Miles: oh - i just started babbling
    aurel Miles: sorry
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Fefonz Quan: names and effect of our life Mick
    Storm Nordwind recalls that 75.62% of all statistics are made up on the spur of the moment
    Mickorod Renard: babble is good
    aurel Miles: is that DNA?
    Storm Nordwind: No but it could have been
    aurel Miles: i am still annoyed with him for dying as he did.
    aurel Miles: like a character out of one of his books.
    Storm Nordwind: I'll pass that on to him!
    Fefonz Quan: how did he die?
    aurel Miles: jeeez.
    aurel Miles: do you know his work?
    Storm Nordwind: Over exercise
    aurel Miles: hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?
    Fefonz Quan: sure
    aurel Miles: lived most of his life like a typical writer
    aurel Miles: having fun
    aurel Miles: missing deadlines
    aurel Miles: getting incidental exercise
    aurel Miles: and writing brilliantly
    Storm Nordwind heard the very first radio broadcast of the very first episode
    aurel Miles: then he gets serious
    aurel Miles: moves to California
    aurel Miles: (you're lucky)
    aurel Miles: takes up exercise
    aurel Miles: and
    aurel Miles: on a treadmill at a fitness facility
    aurel Miles: drops dead of it
    aurel Miles: All those years of loose living and he was just fine
    Fefonz Quan: oohhhh...
    aurel Miles: yes
    aurel Miles: i blame California
    Fefonz Quan: yes in praise of lasiness
    aurel Miles: names and naming?
    Fefonz Quan: but he wasn;t very young, aws he?
    aurel Miles: or shall we move on?
    aurel Miles: or am i being bossy
    aurel Miles: ?
    Storm Nordwind: He did a grat serice to mankind that we are still appreciating in Play as Being
    aurel Miles: yes he was very young to die
    Storm Nordwind: *great service
    aurel Miles: 40 something, i think
    aurel Miles: maybe 50-ish
    Storm Nordwind: 50
    aurel Miles: certainly not more
    aurel Miles: too young
    aurel Miles: his best writing years were still ahead of him
    Mickorod Renard: so what about names?
    Storm Nordwind: He helped people suspend their disbelief. We need that.
    Fefonz Quan: and lsugh a lot we need that a lot!
    Fefonz Quan: laugh*
    Mickorod Renard: yea,too right
    Fefonz Quan: and not taking things so seriously
    Storm Nordwind: Playfulness
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats nice
    Mickorod Renard: there is a risk that we get too serious here
    aurel Miles: he wrote a book about names
    aurel Miles: the meaning of Liff
    Storm Nordwind: The meaning of Liff
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Mickorod Renard: what was the idea?
    aurel Miles: in the introduction he wrote that it was his goal to get those lazy words off streetsigns and maps and into the mouths of babes
    aurel Miles: it was very funny
    Mickorod Renard: a name can have an effect on the persons outcome?
    aurel Miles: very very funny
    Storm Nordwind: And their income Mick!
    aurel Miles: true
    aurel Miles: my name is long and pompous
    Fefonz Quan: like if you're name is bill gates the II, you shouldn't have a lot of financial problems
    Mickorod Renard: mine is simple,and generally a popular name in my era
    aurel Miles: i am only getting comfortable with it now but my business cards are still as minimal as possible because the name is already more than fancy enough
    Mickorod Renard: lol
    aurel Miles: it already promises more than i can deliver.
    Fefonz Quan: Stephanie is too long?
    aurel Miles: Stephanie J. Farrington.
    aurel Miles: all it needs is an Esq.
    Fefonz Quan: yes, soulds like noblety
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,very posh
    aurel Miles: like something out of a Jane Austen novel
    Storm Nordwind: I'm not sure. I don't really like the Amerian obsession with middle initials
    Fefonz Quan: where i live, people mostly use first names,
    aurel Miles: my name

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    aurel Miles: as my parents chose it - has cause me a lot of inconvenience. It's hard to blend in being the kind of person I am with a name like that.
    aurel Miles: and not to be defensive but
    aurel Miles: there are two Stephanie Farringtons in Ottawa
    aurel Miles: and when i didn't use the middle initial
    aurel Miles: we both booked flights west
    aurel Miles: at the same time
    Mickorod Renard: cool
    aurel Miles: with the same travel agent
    aurel Miles: and they mixed us up
    aurel Miles: it caused problems
    Storm Nordwind: Ottawa is really that bad that you both wanted to escape at the same time? ;)
    Mickorod Renard: but a name like that is likely to open some doors for you
    aurel Miles: don't get me started
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    aurel Miles: I am going to Boston on monday
    aurel Miles: and after that....
    aurel Miles: stay tuned -
    aurel Miles: ha
    aurel Miles: so
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    aurel Miles: why did you choose the name you chose?
    Storm Nordwind has happy memories of Boston
    Mickorod Renard: in sl?
    aurel Miles: Storm's matches his real name
    aurel Miles: and mine is a pun on my real name
    aurel Miles: Miles = Faring
    Mickorod Renard: mine does in a way
    aurel Miles: oh?
    aurel Miles: renard is fox
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Fefonz Quan: like mickorodenstein?
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Mickorod Renard: similar Fef
    aurel Miles: i have always been curious about Fefonz
    Mickorod Renard: or just plain mick
    aurel Miles: unusal name to my ear.
    Fefonz Quan: well, it is from some old email address i had, in some university department where my first name was already occupied
    Mickorod Renard: I was in a weekly school play , a western cowboy play,,and my character was micko the rod
    Fefonz Quan: and the lat part is after some famous figure :)
    aurel Miles: funny Mick
    Storm Nordwind finds Mick's name reminds him of orange vans... ;)
    Fefonz Quan: ah, nice mick
    aurel Miles: Quan Yin?
    Fefonz Quan: ah, meant to the last part of fefonz
    aurel Miles: the Fonz?
    Fefonz Quan: ayy!
    aurel Miles knows she is being silly
    Mickorod Renard: yeh,,he's a cool dude
    aurel Miles: what about Quan?
    Fefonz Quan: well, this is just from a small list as you recall,
    aurel Miles: yes - but a list of choices just the same
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Gen
    Storm Nordwind: Hi gen
    aurel Miles: Hi gen
    Fefonz Quan: so out of all the long weird options they had, that was nice and zenich :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Gen
    aurel Miles: zenich?
    aurel Miles: what does that mean?
    Fefonz Quan: Zen-ich
    Mickorod Renard: zen ish?
    aurel Miles: Zen-ish?
    Fefonz Quan: Zen oriented...
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi
    aurel Miles: i see
    Mickorod Renard: renard was from the list..it was french,,and semed like it was me
    Mickorod Renard: seemed
    aurel Miles: french fox
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    aurel Miles: maybe a spirit animal?
    Fefonz Quan says 'renard, ren ad,renard in his mind with strong frech accent :)
    Mickorod Renard: my family was also french 2 generations ago
    Fefonz Quan: there is one phenomena with names, the one of parents trying to be very original, and leaving their children with life long confrontatins
    Fefonz Quan: phenomenon i guess
    Mickorod Renard: that is very true
    aurel Miles: like Moon Unit Zappa?
    Fefonz Quan: yes, that can be chalenging
    aurel Miles: or my niece - her mother named her Sedge and when she was old enough to speak she started correcting people and asking them to call her by her second name - Isabella. I was astonished that she would do that, she was only 4.
    Mickorod Renard: strangely nough, I tried hard to pick a general name for my son, yet one that was not too popular,,,,then that following year it became in fashion and also became one of the most chosen
    Storm Nordwind reminds people that Stim's workshop is about to start
    Fefonz Quan: challenging
    aurel Miles: right
    aurel Miles: Stim
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,Stim's
    Fefonz Quan: yes Storm, we are warming the enginges
    aurel Miles: we are getting stuff out
    genesis Zhangsun: right Stim's workshop
    aurel Miles: so as to be quiet.
    aurel Miles: in my case
    Storm Nordwind: Anyone else coming?
    Mickorod Renard: me
    Fefonz Quan: yep. See you all :)
    genesis Zhangsun: bye everyone!
    aurel Miles: bye gen!

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