2009.05.25 07:00 - Life Living Us and Interpretations of Responsibility

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia, filling in for Kallie Kira. The paragraphs are placed by SophiaSharon Larnia.


    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Sophia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Nymf!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning, is it morning where you are?
    Nymf Hathaway: No afternoon :) 16.00 and for you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 10 am
    Nymf Hathaway: Good morning :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Where are you from?
    Nymf Hathaway: Netherlands
    Nymf Hathaway: and you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Pennsylvania, usa (sorry afk)
    Nymf Hathaway: No prob :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Memorial day...isn't it?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, had barbeque yesterday and i think im still stuffed :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Nymf Hathaway: Usually its more attended
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it is, i will brb I'm so sorry
    Nymf Hathaway: No problem at all :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not actually at home :)
    Nymf Hathaway: ah you are still on your weekend out :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sort of
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I see you are not new to sl, been here much longer than me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what brought you to PaB?
    Nymf Hathaway: Pema did
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)


    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Adams :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Adams
    Nymf Hathaway: and needs to say she loves to hear different views :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too I can listen all day (or read) :))
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia and Nymf :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :)) same here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning :)
    Adams Rubble: I hope I am not interrupting :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no
    Adams Rubble: Hello Corvi :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Totally not :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Corvi
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
    Nymf Hathaway: Listening to Journey.... I love them :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: back - lol Nymf Don't stop, beleiving, is that i think of when i hear the name
    SophiaSharon Larnia: believing*


    Adams Rubble: Last night at the Zen Retreat meditation, where we are usually giving notecards, we got a notecard which talked of life living us rather than we living life.
    Nymf Hathaway: Smiles music can do soo much good :)
    Adams Rubble: also we are the dance and life is the dancer
    Nymf Hathaway: Nice Adams
    SophiaSharon Larnia: remind me of the song, are we human or are we dancer
    Adams Rubble: I like the idea that this turns things around and that we look at it so radically different
    Adams Rubble: we just need to relax and go for the ride
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, is that point of being
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the point*
    Adams Rubble: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i jabbered alot at 1 am and a bit jabbered out ;p
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Sophia
    Adams Rubble understands being jabbered out :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Sophia :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes like it builds up and has to be expressed in some form
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Sophia.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and then feel better and more peaceful, even if the central issue hasn't been quite worked out
    Adams Rubble: and then we want to take a big break :)
    Adams Rubble: yes


    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I used to write papers that way
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: long papers?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I would do a flurry of research over a week or two.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i did notice though that what ive been driving myself crazy over, was in an email Pema sent to the group, in the middle of April
    SophiaSharon Larnia sighs
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: then...one night, gather all my notes, write a thesis and go to bed.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and the paper was easy the next day
    Adams Rubble: could you remind us Sophia?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what was that email?
    Adams Rubble nods to Corvi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Pem wrote about the illusion of illusion
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Pema*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I should put it in a notecard
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods
    Adams Rubble hits her head trying to remember
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i think after he came back from the retreat place?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is like it percolates in the mind, the boys in the basement and send briefs to the boys upstairs in pieces
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Adams Rubble looks at theemail
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods nods to the mind/brain bits thing.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that's just how it feels to me, too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it usually takes me a week for this but that email was around April 16th or so
    Nymf Hathaway: Thank you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh Adams you are so great Thanks for the card
    Adams Rubble: Tis a bit long (giggles)
    sophia Placebo: thanx:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, it was the relative and the absolute, i have been obsessing about the one and many
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and Pema said that was a trap, so remembered something in that email
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (a trap the way i was thinking anyway)


    Adams Rubble: Hi Steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Steve :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello and good morning for some
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you too Steve
    Adams Rubble: It is wonderful when something catches us and gets us going
    Adams Rubble: even if we are bothered about it too
    SophiaSharon Larnia nods
    Adams Rubble: Steve we are talking about Pema's email in April about illusion
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb again, sorry
    Adams Rubble: I agree with you Sophia that the idea of life living us is a similar idea
    Adams Rubble: In some ways it is a much simpler metaphor ti understand :)
    Adams Rubble: with all its limitations oif course
    Adams Rubble: but loking beyond what we think is life
    Adams Rubble: or reality :)
    Adams Rubble looks around for Nymf
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, it was the last part that made it click, it was the word "struggle"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe Nymf crashed?
    Adams Rubble: ah yes
    Adams Rubble: yes to Nymf too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: struggle again what, myself?
    Adams Rubble: just relax and let life live you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))


    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Yolife
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yolife
    Yolife Viper: hi everybody
    sophia Placebo: hi yolife
    Yolife Viper: whats going on here?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Have you been here before Yolife?
    Yolife Viper: no
    sophia Placebo: hi steve
    Yolife Viper: its the 1st time...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: We meet here 4 times a day to discuss the nature of reality and other topics. We record our sessions.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Yolife Viper: ok.. nice...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can i give you a notecard?
    Yolife Viper: yaa.. sure..
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Do you mind being included in those recordings?
    Yolife Viper: no probs.... It will be my pleasure... to discuss..
    Yolife Viper: what you do actually here.. share experiences..?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think i have to log off so sorry, things are a buit hectic here :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bit*
    Yolife Viper: ok...
    Adams Rubble: bye Sophia :)
    Yolife Viper: bye
    sophia Placebo: bye sophia
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Sophia, I hope we get to talk about this again


    Adams Rubble: yes, we share experiences here
    Yolife Viper: ok.. actually I will be like a kid for you all... I am just 19 now..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiles..people of all ages are here.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it will be good to have you.
    Yolife Viper: I dont have too much experience about life..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: doesn't help much
    Adams Rubble: That is not what is meant :)
    sophia Placebo: 19 years is long enough i guess
    Adams Rubble: It is best when we can open up and look at things with childlike eyes
    Yolife Viper: ok.,,
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: stop apologizing...and lets start talking!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: grins.


    Adams Rubble: by experiences, we were referring to our experiences with our explorations
    Adams Rubble: what happens when we do stop every 15 minutes for 9 seconds
    Adams Rubble: what do we see?
    Yolife Viper: I am from india.. So may be I am having too much different culture than that you all have..?
    Adams Rubble: It is the reality of our common humanity we are exploring...the basics beyond culture and age and anyhting else that divides us
    sophia Placebo: saudi arabia , i dont feel much diffrence with this group of poeple
    sophia Placebo: as adams said , basic human thoughts
    Adams Rubble: New Jersey and I don't feel muuch difference either (hehe)
    sophia Placebo: but i got lost sometimes in the words :)
    Adams Rubble: words are tricky
    Adams Rubble: even withou language differences


    sophia Placebo: yep they are , yesterday i was thinking about responisbility
    sophia Placebo: responsibility in relation to freedom as in sarter work
    sophia Placebo: and brought the arabic word mas'ueyah
    sophia Placebo: which means the one who would be asked
    sophia Placebo: and couldnt stop comparing it to the responsibility in english which i guess have the meaning of whome who give a respond -answer-
    sophia Placebo: and thought would sarter bring same philosophy if he had another form of the same term
    sophia Placebo: he was french though , not sure what responsibility in french is
    Adams Rubble: Hmm. I expect the meaning would be similar. "One who responds" is an interesting concept. Not usually how we think of repsonsibility in English
    Adams Rubble: Which is ciommonly thought of as something we have to do
    Adams Rubble: people depending on us
    sophia Placebo: yep thats why words are tricky :)
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: It is fun to explore meanings from a different direction
    Adams Rubble: "One who responds" has possibilities
    Adams Rubble: :)


    sophia Placebo: in arabic we take it litrally , mas'uool ie you should be prepared to be asked judge and even blamed so better to be responsible or be prepared
    Adams Rubble: preemptive responsibility
    Adams Rubble: The boy scouts have a motto "Be prepared"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Adams Rubble: In some ways, that is another way to look at reality
    Adams Rubble: things are going to happen that we do not see are going to happen
    sophia Placebo: true
    sophia Placebo: g2g, nice to meet you all :)
    Adams Rubble: bye Sophia
    Adams Rubble: Well that was an interesting hour with people coming and going :)
    Adams Rubble: ideas going in and out of the session
    Adams Rubble: It is time for me to go :)
    Yolife Viper: I too... bye
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye adams
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye adams
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone. Nice to meet you Yolife
    Yolife Viper: meet you all tomorrow
    Adams Rubble: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hope to see you here again some time soon
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Yolife.


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