2010.02.04 13:00 - Malta retreat - Lia's report

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

greetings and people arriving

Wol Euler: hello invisibles
Lia Rikugun: hello yakku and wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello cheshire
Wol Euler: afk to get some tea
Wol Euler: back
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi storm
Wol Euler: hello storm, cheshire
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: Hi all
Wol Euler: hello liza
Liza Deischer: hi everyone
Lia Rikugun: hello liza storm pema
Wol Euler: hello pema
Pema Pera: Hi Lia and all !
Liza Deischer: hi pema
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey newcomers
Liza Deischer: hi Arch, Sophia
Wol Euler: hello arch, you're looking very formal.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone!
Pema Pera: hi Sharon!
Archmage Atlantis: Hello brethern
Pema Pera: Hi Arch!
Archmage Atlantis: On, a dance in a hall of mirrors
Lia Rikugun: i am a little excited and dont know yet what I will tell you :)
Archmage Atlantis: Didn't recloth
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Pema Pera: that's the best approach, Lia!
Storm Nordwind laughs with Lia
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: hello sharon, agatha
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Liza Deischer: hi agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol
Pema Pera: Lia, may I ask a question?
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
Lia Rikugun: haha yes please
Agatha Macbeth: Hello all
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
Pema Pera: hehehe, may I get a cup of tea, and be back in two minutes?
Lia Rikugun: sure we will wait
Wol Euler: :)
Pema Pera: no reason to wait, I can catch up reading
Wol Euler: hello stim
Lia Rikugun: ok
Lia Rikugun: hello stim
Liza Deischer: hi Stim
Storm Nordwind: When he gets back we can all say, "ssssshhhhhh!!!!"
Wol Euler: :)
Lia Rikugun: hehe exactly
Stim Morane: Hi
Stim Morane: just dropped in for a few minutes
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Stim
Liza Deischer: hi Eos
Lia Rikugun: ok so maybe we can start
Lia Rikugun: what do you think?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Eos Amaterasu: Hi gangstas
Agatha Macbeth: Yo brudsdah
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey stim
Stim Morane: Hi Yakuzza, Agatha
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, start....Pema's creation is beginning to have it's own life
Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: ok where can I start?
Eos Amaterasu: at the end?
Lia Rikugun: maybe at the end
Lia Rikugun: HAHA
Lia Rikugun: yes!
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Lia Rikugun: it was a very relaxing week
Lia Rikugun: i had the time to think a lot
Pema Pera: (back)
Lia Rikugun: and had great people around me
Lia Rikugun: very inspiring
Lia Rikugun: and having these 5 days of focussing on other ways of thinking was somehow opening in a way
Lia Rikugun: as a general idea what my feeling is
Lia Rikugun: hm
Lia Rikugun: i dont know how to continue so many interesting experiences
Lia Rikugun: so
Archmage Atlantis: Start with the one with the most impace
Archmage Atlantis: impact

Lia Rikugun: the idea i had when I wanted to come to malta to the retreat
Fael Illyar: Hello Everyone :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fael :)
Lia Rikugun: was to just experiment with my consciousness in a way
Lia Rikugun: i did some exercises which i call going to my happy place
Lia Rikugun: in a way imagining to be on a grass field and walking around there
Lia Rikugun: sot his was something i wanted to concentrate on
Lia Rikugun: pema suggested a similar kind of meditation
Lia Rikugun: where i dont close my eyes and see a different world but where I try to imagine things in the world i see
Lia Rikugun: somehow mixing 2 realities
Lia Rikugun: this was an interesting experience for me
Lia Rikugun: this is what I tried to do during the silent day on wedesday
Lia Rikugun: maybe i tell you more about it
Lia Rikugun: i left the farmhouse to walk around a little bit
Lia Rikugun: and somehow i entered a magical place :)
Lia Rikugun: a magic kingdom
Lia Rikugun: with a dog as king :)
Lia Rikugun: this sounds crazy
Lia Rikugun: but it was fun
Lia Rikugun: stone guards guarding the entrance
Lia Rikugun: and tiny people attacking me
Lia Rikugun: little flower ladies
Lia Rikugun: haha
Wol Euler smiles.
Lia Rikugun: so somehow a very creative experience
Lia Rikugun: and i dont know where this came from
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: I see nothing that is not real in what you experienced, miss Lia
Lia Rikugun: it was very real in a way
Lia Rikugun: i saw it (not with my eyes obviously)
Lia Rikugun: but very interesting
Lia Rikugun: so this is what i like to continue
Lia Rikugun: to mix up both experiences of real world and somehow imagined things

Lia Rikugun: another very interesting experience i had
Lia Rikugun: we talked about this during pemas session already
Lia Rikugun: but i want to talk about this again
Lia Rikugun: i had a very intense dream on wendesday night
Lia Rikugun: after the silent day
Lia Rikugun: and
Lia Rikugun: where i dreamt that we were sitting with the group
Lia Rikugun: and pema was suggesting a meditation
Lia Rikugun: i dont remember the exact words anymore
Lia Rikugun: it is fading more and more
Archmage Atlantis: Could the master also be a participant, or is that individual always the master?
Lia Rikugun: but what i associated with the meditation was to go deeper and deeper
Lia Rikugun: i saw a stairway in the house i lived when i was a child
Lia Rikugun: and this was the meditation to go down the siars
Lia Rikugun: so thats what i did during the dream
Lia Rikugun: and slowly step by step going down
Lia Rikugun: until it got very very loud
Lia Rikugun: and things were happening around me
Lia Rikugun: and my first feeling was to leave
Lia Rikugun: but i stayed i was curious
Lia Rikugun: i wanted to get to know this feeling in a way
Lia Rikugun: it was inbetween being frightened and curious
Lia Rikugun: and i wanted to stay with this feeling for a while longer
Lia Rikugun: but slowly it went away
Lia Rikugun: left each single part of my body one after the other
Lia Rikugun: this was such an intense feeling i cannot put it in words

Lia Rikugun: and then at the breakfast table on thursday morning
Lia Rikugun: i was telling wol and eos and pema
Lia Rikugun: and pema tells me he had a similar dream before!
Lia Rikugun: :D
Lia Rikugun: weird no?
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow Lia
Archmage Atlantis: Not weird, no
Pema Pera: in a somewhat different setting, but the sense was similar, yes
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, is wonderful Lia
Liza Deischer: (interesting dream :-))
Pema Pera: Lia and I were walking in a dense very dark forest in the middle of the night
Pema Pera: (please Lia, continue!)
Lia Rikugun: oh ok
Lia Rikugun: so the story continues
Lia Rikugun: ;)

Lia Rikugun: during the day we wanted to do another meditation
Lia Rikugun: and pema asked around what should we do?
Lia Rikugun: fefonz suggested to do a meditation holding hands
Lia Rikugun: and then i suggested while we do this we can also do the meditation from the dream
Lia Rikugun: and i felt it was very powerful in a way
Lia Rikugun: what do the retreat goes think?
Lia Rikugun: goers
Lia Rikugun: well
Mickorod Renard: was this the going down the steps?
Lia Rikugun: yes with holding hands
Mickorod Renard: I thought it was fun,,I seemed to be being led down
Lia Rikugun: yes i think it is very weird
Archmage Atlantis: You saw a force of compelling, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: in a comfortable way
Lia Rikugun: and it gets weirder
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes
Lia Rikugun: or what?
Lia Rikugun: who was pullign you?
Mickorod Renard: I ended up popping out into some new born universe
--BELL--
Lia Rikugun: mick, whatz was pullign you?
Mickorod Renard: nothing was really pulling me but perhaps my inquisitness
Lia Rikugun: or maybe this is too personal
Lia Rikugun: ah ok

Lia Rikugun: ok so it got weirder
Mickorod Renard: or perhaps some sort of connectedness to something larger
Lia Rikugun: ah wow
Lia Rikugun: :)
Mickorod Renard: I was suprised
Archmage Atlantis: The weird is the word used by humans who would not see
Lia Rikugun: :) i dont see then
Lia Rikugun: i can use the word intersting
Lia Rikugun: it got more interesting
Lia Rikugun: ;)
Eliza Madrigal smiles and listens
Liza Deischer: :-)
Lia Rikugun: pema and arabella i think opened a door
Lia Rikugun: in the farmhouse
Lia Rikugun: in the room where we meditated
Lia Rikugun: we havent opened the door before
Lia Rikugun: and the funny thing was that there was a staircase
Lia Rikugun: everybody had imagined to go do0wn a staircase
Lia Rikugun: and now we really find one
Wol Euler smiles.
Lia Rikugun: i had the serious question that it was maybe not there before
Lia Rikugun: the thing is i can never know
SophiaSharon Larnia: so you guys were kind of at the bottom of this staircase
Pema Pera: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Liza Deischer: :-)
Lia Rikugun: it went down and up
Lia Rikugun: in the middle
Archmage Atlantis: yes, lia, we found one......but it it the correct one
Lia Rikugun: what do you mean arch?
Archmage Atlantis: To me, it means....
Archmage Atlantis: we found the depths of our past
Lia Rikugun: hm
SophiaSharon Larnia: where did this real staircase lead to?
Lia Rikugun: i dont want to give it any interpretation
Archmage Atlantis: Our future is yet to be imangined
Lia Rikugun: we didnt go down :)
Lia Rikugun: because of mice and rats
Lia Rikugun: maybe
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Lia Rikugun: arabella warned us

Lia Rikugun: so i guess i come back with more questions
Lia Rikugun: about what is real and not
Lia Rikugun: somehting eos said was very important to me
Lia Rikugun: that the questioning is more important than the answer
Lia Rikugun: with an answer the question is dead
Lia Rikugun: did i say this correctly eos?
Archmage Atlantis: mice and rat, and ants and bees, and lizards and bee, they come with outs
Eos Amaterasu: yes :-)
Archmage Atlantis: oua
Fael Illyar: Very nicely put :)
Archmage Atlantis: ous
Lia Rikugun: so in a way i am questioning more the reality i see every day
Lia Rikugun: which keeps my brain working
Lia Rikugun: and fresh in a way
Lia Rikugun: but
Lia Rikugun: there does not seem to be any possibility for any proof of any reality
Lia Rikugun: this is maybe the best part
Archmage Atlantis: Always a butt Lia
Lia Rikugun: this keeps you thinking and questioning
Liza Deischer: yes :-)
Lia Rikugun: maybe i cannot really put it in good words
SophiaSharon Larnia: wonderfully put Lia! ~
Eliza Madrigal nods
Lia Rikugun: so what i want to continue to do
Lia Rikugun: it to just question the things i see and the things i think
Lia Rikugun: to stay open in a way
Lia Rikugun: for other possibilities for other possible realities
Lia Rikugun: but i can never have a proof
Lia Rikugun: maybe this is completely crazy
Lia Rikugun: but on a pratical way
Lia Rikugun: i think this approach lets me think a lot
Lia Rikugun: and be creative
Archmage Atlantis: Dance, love, dance.....it is how we take reponsibility into these human bodies
Lia Rikugun: try new things
--BELL--
Lia Rikugun: so positive aspects
arabella Ella: Hiya
Liza Deischer: hi ara
Lia Rikugun: hi ara
Archmage Atlantis: Fael, take me to a dance place......allow others to follow if they wish

Lia Rikugun: in the end of the retreat i felt a very strong connection to everybody
Lia Rikugun: but i cannot explain why
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: nice feeling
arabella Ella nods
Lia Rikugun: so maybe i dont know what else to tell you
Liza Deischer: you already told a lot :-)
Pema Pera: thank you very much for such a lively report, Lia
Stim Morane: very interesting, Lia
Eliza Madrigal finds all the overlaps (dream/RL/SL) so fascinating... Thanks so much, Lia!
Eos Amaterasu: /||\
Lia Rikugun: my pleasure
Wol Euler: thank you, Lia
Fael Illyar: Thank you Lia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, thank you Lia!

Wol Euler: and thank you for the stair exercise too, that was wonderful.
Eos Amaterasu: deeply moving, you create such a charged atmosphere
Lia Rikugun: haha my pleasure
Mickorod Renard: thankyou Lia,,sorry I crashed
Lia Rikugun: i felt i had to propose that exercise
Lia Rikugun: actuallyi remember
Lia Rikugun: i wanted to suggest it
Lia Rikugun: but then arabella asked fefonz to suggest something
Lia Rikugun: and i was thinking i need to propose this
Lia Rikugun: :)
Pema Pera: a collaborative proposal it became :)
Lia Rikugun: but in the end i think going down the stairs with holding hands was the best we could have done
Lia Rikugun: exactly
arabella Ella: :)

the 10 of us went all to our happy place and I showed everybody around ;)

(after rereading my comment I see that I wrote "our happy place" hehe I wanted to write "my" in the first place, but maybe its better this way :)

Pema Pera: also, Lia, you didn't yet mention how you took all nine of us to your happy place, earlier that week
Lia Rikugun: everybody on its own would have been different
Lia Rikugun: oh yes thats true
Pema Pera: it became quite crowded there :)
Lia Rikugun: i almost forgot
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: haha yes
Pema Pera: that was very nice of you, to share that place with all of us
Lia Rikugun: i went to my happy place again
Lia Rikugun: afterwards
Lia Rikugun: and in the little house on the grass field
Lia Rikugun: there is a man i visit from time to time
Lia Rikugun: with the group we almost enetered the house but i stepped outside again
Lia Rikugun: a few days ago he told me that 10 people might have been a little too much :)
Lia Rikugun: HAHA
Pema Pera: :-)
Lia Rikugun: so a short description of what we did with the group in the happy place?
Pema Pera: sure
Lia Rikugun: so it was somehow very difficult for me
Lia Rikugun: with 10 people
Lia Rikugun: usually a walk around meet other people fly around
Lia Rikugun: so i just described the surroundings
Lia Rikugun: there was a field of grass
Lia Rikugun: a tree a little house a forest
Lia Rikugun: and pema started asking questions
Lia Rikugun: and giving suggestions
Lia Rikugun: so at some point i went to the creek
Lia Rikugun: and everybody with me :)
Lia Rikugun: i let myself fall into the water
Lia Rikugun: and it carried me to a canyon
Lia Rikugun: where i just let myself fall
Lia Rikugun: into a white fog
Lia Rikugun: it was more a floating then
Lia Rikugun: no directions of up and down left or right
Lia Rikugun: actually i remember it was very difficult for me with 10 people
Lia Rikugun: i started sweating ;)
Lia Rikugun: haha
Lia Rikugun: in the white fog was a hand holding out for me
Lia Rikugun: and when i took it
Lia Rikugun: everything turned dark
Lia Rikugun: not a bad dark
Lia Rikugun: then soon we stopped
Lia Rikugun: actually i think i heard fefonz snoring
Liza Deischer: :-)
Lia Rikugun: and others told me that they had been very relaxed
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Lia Rikugun: so this was great
Lia Rikugun: the end
Lia Rikugun: :)
Wol Euler applauds
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eliza Madrigal applauds
SophiaSharon Larnia: and cheers
Stim Morane: thanks very much
arabella Ella: some of what some of us described as grunts and snorts :)
arabella Ella: thanks Lia
Liza Deischer: thanks Lia
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx lia :)
--BELL--
Lia Rikugun: i would be happy if you would give me your ideas
Pema Pera: you're a great tour guide, Lia, also in your happy world!
Lia Rikugun: which would be my happy world?
arabella Ella: happy place you took us to i think Pema means
Lia Rikugun: :)
arabella Ella: whhich you so kindly shared with us all
Pema Pera: :)
Lia Rikugun: so the thing is

Lia Rikugun: as last words for today
Pema Pera: it's a pretty happy world where you can get lost in the fog and in the dark without any panic or much worry :)
Lia Rikugun: i dont have any interpretation
Lia Rikugun: and i think thats good
Lia Rikugun: :)
Pema Pera: indeed!
Wol Euler nods.
Pema Pera: thank you again Lia!
Stim Morane: yes
Lia Rikugun: my pleasure
Eos Amaterasu: :-) :-) :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
arabella Ella: nite Yaku
Liza Deischer: nit Yaku
Lia Rikugun: so send me ypur thoughts if you wish
Wol Euler: bye yaku
Pema Pera: bye Yaku
Stim Morane: bye Yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Night Yaku
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye! and bye all!! See you later!
Lia Rikugun: i will soon go to bed too
Mickorod Renard: nite yaku
Eliza Madrigal: Night Yakuzza, Lia, Sharon
Agatha Macbeth: Bye SSL
Mickorod Renard: nite ss
Fael Illyar: bye Yak, Lia, Sharon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
Mickorod Renard: bye Lia
Eliza Madrigal will be going too... Thanks so much again Lia
Pema Pera: bye Lia!
Liza Deischer: bye sharon
Wol Euler: bye sharon, bye lia, bye eliza
Lia Rikugun: goodnight and see you soon
Pema Pera: and bye everybody!
Stim Morane: Bye Lia, Sharon
Mickorod Renard: bye eliza
Stim Morane: Eliza
Liza Deischer: bye lia, pema, eliza
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Lia, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal waves
Eos Amaterasu: Bye all, ~ ~ ~
arabella Ella: bye to those leaving
Stim Morane: bye everyone
Mickorod Renard: bye eos
Wol Euler: bye stim, bye eos
Mickorod Renard: hey Stim,,hiya
Stim Morane: :)
Mickorod Renard: didnt c u
Mickorod Renard: bye storm
Storm Nordwind waves
Liza Deischer: bye Storm
arabella Ella: bye Storm
Agatha Macbeth: waves to Storm
Liza Deischer: bye everyone
arabella Ella: bye Liza
Mickorod Renard: bye liza
Wol Euler: bye eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Goodnight everyone it seems
Fael Illyar: Good night everyone :)
Mickorod Renard: yea,,goodnight all leaving
Wol Euler: I shall be off too, actually, I have some work to get done tonight. Goodnight all, be happy
Agatha Macbeth: Bye
arabella Ella: nite Wol
Mickorod Renard: nite Wol,,go well
arabella Ella: must go too bye!
Mickorod Renard: bye Ara
Mickorod Renard: spoze i best be off
Agatha Macbeth: Bye all
Mickorod Renard: bye Agatha,,and all