2010.02.15 07:00 - What´s guardian´s what´s pab ?

The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lawrence
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hi, Yahuzza.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i´ve seen you around here before, didn´t i
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you know about the logging etc
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes, I believe we have talked before.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes.
Yakuzza Lethecus: good :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi wester
Wester Kiranov: hello yak, lawrence
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hello.
--BELL--
Wester Kiranov: yak - shall I claim the log or do you want to?
Yakuzza Lethecus: I take it, but i don´t mind
Yakuzza Lethecus: haven´t checked the group if somebody needed a replacement
Yakuzza Lethecus: i just joined but mainly in the intention to read :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: you have a specific topic in mind or you lawrence ?
Wester Kiranov: they did need a replacement, this session currently has no guardian
Lawrence Vyceratops: I always have a specific topic in mind. haha ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, so proceed and don´t expect good answers :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: What are you guys talking about - Guardians and such?
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s between talking of contemplative issues and general chat.
Yakuzza Lethecus: So it can be about the perception of time and the moment but also about ethernal sillyness :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: like
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Wester Kiranov: it's meant to be contemplative but sometimes it derails a bit ;-)
Lawrence Vyceratops: No, I mean you guys were talking about needing a Guardian, a replacement.
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i checked that she´s in india
Yakuzza Lethecus: the guardian who is supposed to be here during this session is on vacation
Wester Kiranov: a guardian (on call) is someone who 'leads' this session so it stays marginally on topic
Wester Kiranov: and who posts the chat logs to the web later
Yakuzza Lethecus: nods
Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, we shouldn't have a problem today. We are all familiar.
Lawrence Vyceratops: How does one become a Guardian? Is everyone a Kira Institute member?
Yakuzza Lethecus: If you attend often you might come into the cirlce of ppl whom are asked to be one.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Ah...
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s nothing special really.
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s a formal job around here to show presence and don´t leave newcomers alone.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I see.
Yakuzza Lethecus: How come you found this place ?
Lawrence Vyceratops: I am interested in the mind.
Wester Kiranov: and how did that lead you here?
Lawrence Vyceratops: Search bar in SL. :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: When I discovered SL, I was hoping it could lead me to a place like this.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Most of the people I talk to in RL are not concerned with what the mind is.
Yakuzza Lethecus: I know the issue, and the problem to elaborate upon these topics.
Lawrence Vyceratops: Yes, indeed. haha
Yakuzza Lethecus: Actually this wasn´t what i was looking for in the first place :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: Do share.
Yakuzza Lethecus: I was looking for something more regular scientifc, and philosophical :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: So i found places like thothica,thephilosophyclass,kira cafe first
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: this is more the contemplative field but i am still facinated by the ppl around here and even when it´s harder for me i still think i learn even much aroun dpab
Lawrence Vyceratops: :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: How did you come to find PaB, Wester, if you don't mind my asking.
Lawrence Vyceratops: I have to be right back..... RL....
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, cya around lawrence
Wester Kiranov: i went to a kira summer school, in RL, a long time ago
Yakuzza Lethecus: where was that then ?
Wester Kiranov: amherst
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you lived in the states for a while ?
Wester Kiranov: it was a multidiscplinary thing, with Pema and Stim and another philosopher and a psychologist and a physicist
Wester Kiranov: it was just for two weeks - unfortunately
Yakuzza Lethecus: facinating :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: did you just travel there for the summerschool ?
Wester Kiranov: yep
Wester Kiranov: (my RL wants some attention too)
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, take care both of you :)
Wester Kiranov: i'll go take care of my son then
Wester Kiranov: bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya around
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hey.
Yakuzza Lethecus: still here yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: where are you from btw ?
--BELL--
Lawrence Vyceratops: I'm in Mississippi. Where are you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Nordrhein Westfalen/ Germany
Lawrence Vyceratops: I would like to meet some of the founding members.
Yakuzza Lethecus: Hehe, of kira or of pab :P
Lawrence Vyceratops: Oh, are they different people.
Lawrence Vyceratops: ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Partly
Yakuzza Lethecus: when it´s about the issue what pab really is about i suggest to see a theme session or visit pema´s session´s
Yakuzza Lethecus: For example i am still not really able to give a definition what this is all about here, and that is a good thing :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: I see it as an exploration into "what is mind" or "what is actually happening."
Yakuzza Lethecus: nods i would see that included as well
Yakuzza Lethecus: Still i have a hard time elaborating on epistemic topics, i try to get more into the literature but i haven´t been reading much in the past.
Yakuzza Lethecus: So i am still working on making everything habitual with a postive tension :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: But reading can help form our habits. Personally, I have grown tired of reading and would like to have discussions.
Yakuzza Lethecus: I often see that i lack basic knowledge about philosophical streams that lead to phenomenology, scientific theories, ....
Lawrence Vyceratops: I am not very interested in learning a philosophical system.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i think it´s part of ,,a way"
Lawrence Vyceratops: I am more concerned with understanding the mind and why others are not so interested... what can be done about it and such.
Yakuzza Lethecus: you know there is a ,,philosophy of mind" ? *hides*
Lawrence Vyceratops: There are a great many problems in the world such as violence and war.
Lawrence Vyceratops: But there are many philosophies... too many, it can seem. And everyone follows a different one.
Lawrence Vyceratops: If I follow one philosophy and another follows a different philosophy, there will be disagreement.
Lawrence Vyceratops: In this disagreement, comes conflict and conflict seems to be a very big problem in the world.
Eden Haiku: Hello Lawrence
Lawrence Vyceratops: Hello, Eden.
Eden Haiku: May I ask who you are talking to?
Lawrence Vyceratops: I am talking to Yakuzza, there-------->
Eden Haiku: Ah thanks, hi Yaku. No visuals...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eden :)
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: still wifi in idnia :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: The 15 minute bell is my cue to attend RL. :) It was nice chatting with you Yakuzza. You guys take care and enjoy the day! :)
Eden Haiku: Bye Lawrence.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lawrence
Eden Haiku: Yes Wifi in Pondichery too Yaku!
Lawrence Vyceratops: Bye. I'm sure I'll be at more meetings in the future. Hope to see you then!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hihi :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care lawrence
Yakuzza Lethecus: i grabbed the log
Eden Haiku: Do you feel different after taking the retreat Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually, yes in parts
Eden Haiku: I see you are now posting logs.
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i also had issues like that i´ve never flown, never met a professor...
Yakuzza Lethecus: even stupid things i had in mind before that changed in a positive way
Eden Haiku: Oh my !
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Eden Haiku: That is great!
Eden Haiku: How is professor Pema?
Yakuzza Lethecus: sure, we all are just humans but somehow it was different before, and pema is actually very funny :)
Eden Haiku: I have no doubt he is
Yakuzza Lethecus: sure, i bet he´s not representative for his kind of profession but i prefer his kind :)
Eden Haiku: I have this feeling that you might be funny too!
Yakuzza Lethecus: never :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: that wasn´t even that ironic, i still have issues with happyness
Eden Haiku: I'm part of a conference here. The place will soon be flooded with professors!
Yakuzza Lethecus: even the issue of feeling unsecure when i am, talking about that on ,,rosenmontag" :P
Yakuzza Lethecus: which is kind of the biggerst party and happyday during the year in germany :P
Yakuzza Lethecus: carnival ends on wednesday here
Yakuzza Lethecus: ,,Aschermitwoch"
Eden Haiku: Never funny? Unsure about happiness?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Possibly sometimes funny by nature, intentionally is a problem :)
Eden Haiku: Not sure what you mean
Yakuzza Lethecus: Oh, i don´t mean that i am too clumsy, but sometimes it overwhelms me.
Yakuzza Lethecus: But i can´t be ,,funny on command"
Eden Haiku: You do not like being happy just becsuse it is carnaval maybe?
Eden Haiku: No, not on command no. That is not funny :((
Yakuzza Lethecus: Absolutly not, i think at the moment that it´s more important to preserve a positive tension.
Eden Haiku: How so?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Maybe it´s an issue of subjective definition what happyness is really all about, i think i just need to be more settled down,mindful and doing what i do more postivly instead of grasping.
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s complicated actually to talk about it.
Eden Haiku: Happiness and joy, i felt a lot of joy when I went into the ocean this afternnon
Yakuzza Lethecus: What´s the temperature there right now ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello mercurius
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: 30 degrees this aftenoon. Balmy tonite. I'm wearing jasmine flowers in my hair.
Yakuzza Lethecus: °C ?
Eden Haiku: Hi Mercurius.
Eden Haiku: Yes Celsius
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, this is pab we are logging these sessions mercurius
Eden Haiku: You are welcome to sit with us
Yakuzza Lethecus: i´ll toss you a notecard
Eden Haiku: Would you have a notecard for him Yaku?
Eden Haiku: We have meetings here 4 times every day
Yakuzza Lethecus: did you accept the first note merc ?
Eden Haiku: We were talking about happiness
Eden Haiku: For me, happiness is easy.
Yakuzza Lethecus: says the girl who is on vacation in india :)
Eden Haiku: I'm easily content with little things
Eden Haiku: Well, it will be work this weelk in fact.
Yakuzza Lethecus: the issue is that in principle that´s clear, while practicly we´ll forget about that very easy
Eden Haiku: A little work rounded with some free ti
Eden Haiku: Time
Yakuzza Lethecus: while in principle pema is is human, but then there are schema´s like ,,professor" ,,princeton" boohooo :P
Yakuzza Lethecus: while in principle pema is is human, but then there are schema´s like ,,professor" ,,princeton" boohooo :P
Yakuzza Lethecus: or something :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: irrational schema´s are killing me :)
Eden Haiku: And what about Yakuzza?
Eden Haiku: What are your schemas?
Eden Haiku: German guy, fluent in English
Eden Haiku: Lives in cute small german town
Eden Haiku: What else?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Something that made be believe that these ppl must be so intelligent and so much higher in the clouds of existence while i am somewhat something small. Something like that was my schema.
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s just irrational :)
Eden Haiku: Oh I see.If you see it then you see it is just an illusion
Eden Haiku: Your viewpoint is completely unique.
Yakuzza Lethecus: I try not to activate those schema´s again, and around here there ain´t no exam´s in ,,being" :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: What doesn´t mean that i am not trapped in many.
Eden Haiku: No exam! Sighs in relief :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: Which are not about pab or things around here.
Eden Haiku: Yes we walk through images of ourselves all the time
Yakuzza Lethecus: nods
Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry, to say that, i gonna have dinner soon and need a shower first since i logged on directly after work :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so, nice to have you back on wifi :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care you both!